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Rammix
TheMurk
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:22:00 -
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It has 30 second cloak reactivation delay. It's way too long and doesn't let to travel normally: it takes significantly less time to pass through a system, than for the timer to run out. If you turn on the cloak when warping off to the next gate, then, after you reach it and jump through, you will be unable to cloak for 10 or sometimes even 20 seconds. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
302
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:39:00 -
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turn it off after you enter warp. if you land on a gate with smartbombs going off you've probably had it anyway. with the cloak off you can run your hardener(s). freelance space bum |
Noriko Mai
1052
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:40:00 -
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Rammix wrote:It has 30 second cloak reactivation delay. It's way too long and doesn't let to travel normally: it takes significantly less time to pass through a system, than for the timer to run out. If you turn on the cloak when warping off to the next gate, then, after you reach it and jump through, you will be unable to cloak for 10 or sometimes even 20 seconds. Then hold your cloak longer |
Eko Fromtv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:41:00 -
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Rammix wrote:It has 30 second cloak reactivation delay. It's way too long and doesn't let to travel normally: it takes significantly less time to pass through a system, than for the timer to run out. If you turn on the cloak when warping off to the next gate, then, after you reach it and jump through, you will be unable to cloak for 10 or sometimes even 20 seconds.
What is gate cloak? (Ice) Miner for life. |
Omega Flames
Forever Winter The Kingdom of Heaven
69
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:43:00 -
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my deep space transport with an improved cloak has a 30 sec timer....should a frig meant to use a cov cloak really have just as long as the improved does on a much larger ship? <Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually" http://i.imgur.com/76pQ9.jpg |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
7411
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:53:00 -
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The Astero is NOT a covert ops ships and therefore does NOT have the covert ops cloaking delay reduction.
Be ******* happy that you even get to use the covert ops cloak on a non covert ops or Recon or BR..because they could have just as easily made it so that they can only use a standard cloak..and I couldn't image the crocodile tears youd be pouring in my GD if that was the case. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
708
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:18:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:The Astero is NOT a covert ops ships and therefore does NOT have the covert ops cloaking delay reduction.
Be ******* happy that you even get to use the covert ops cloak on a non covert ops or Recon or BR..because they could have just as easily made it so that they can only use a standard cloak..and I couldn't image the crocodile tears youd be pouring in my GD if that was the case.
10/10, would even recommend this post to my mother, and she doesn't even know what EVE is. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Rammix
TheMurk
151
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:19:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:turn it off after you enter warp. if you land on a gate with smartbombs going off you've probably had it anyway. with the cloak off you can run your hardener(s). It's not the best way. Better to warp to 20-30km cloaked and circle around looking for safe approach.
Noriko Mai wrote: Then hold your cloak longer
Eko Fromtv wrote: What is gate cloak?
Frigates are about speed. Cloaky frigates are for cloaky speed (of travel in this case). Cloaky ships are meant to stay cloaked for MAXIMUM of time wherever they travel. What's the point of flying a frigate if you have to pause 10-20 seconds after each gate to just keep yourself invisible on d-scan. I think they smoke some reeeaally baad weed.
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:The Astero is NOT a covert ops ships and therefore does NOT have the covert ops cloaking delay reduction.
Be ******* happy that you even get to use the covert ops cloak on a non covert ops or Recon or BR..because they could have just as easily made it so that they can only use a standard cloak..and I couldn't image the crocodile tears youd be pouring in my GD if that was the case. As long as it can use covert ops cloaking device it IS a covert ops ship by its nature (by name - only scanner frigates are covert ops if you want to insist on correctness). Recon and BR are cruiser-sized, have smaller warp speed and agility, so when you travel in them you usually don't notice cloak reactivation delays. A frigate is a totally another thing - this cloak reactivation time should be reduced by 30% at the very least. Tears? Crocodile tears? Lol. Seems you don't get the usage of that idiom. You absolutely don't.
Btw, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a delay, I'm saying that 30 seconds are way too much for a frigate, especially for a covert one. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
Rammix
TheMurk
151
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:24:00 -
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If they were afraid of making it overpowered they should've given normal recloaking delays but also should've made these ships a bit weaker in pvp. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3640
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:48:00 -
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So is this going to be the official "Astero is OP" start thread?
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
7413
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Posted - 2013.11.20 01:03:00 -
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Maybe this needs to be a 'Remove cloaks from SoE ships because [reasons]" thread instead of a 'CCP GIB ME AWSUM SHIP BUTT I WANT MOAR AWSUM AND MAKE FOTM SHIP SUPER OP BECUZ IT IZ FOTM SHIP' thread.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Lailyana Enaka
Saved Before Death Industries
70
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Posted - 2013.11.20 02:29:00 -
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Your tears fuel my laughter, that is all |
CMD Ishikawa
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2013.11.20 02:35:00 -
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Let the tear begins... |
CMD Ishikawa
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2013.11.20 02:36:00 -
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Let the tears begin to flow ... |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
121
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Posted - 2013.11.20 02:38:00 -
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Hey, I know...
...let's just give it every ******* bonus that a T2 covops get, and also good combat ability.
That would make sense. |
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition Insurance Fraud.
345
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Posted - 2013.11.20 02:50:00 -
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Omega Flames wrote:my deep space transport with an improved cloak has a 30 sec timer....should a frig meant to use a cov cloak really have just as long as the improved does on a much larger ship? What does "on a much larger ship" have to do with anything? Is there some scientific principle I'm missing? There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
215
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Posted - 2013.11.20 03:14:00 -
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Tul Breetai wrote:Omega Flames wrote:my deep space transport with an improved cloak has a 30 sec timer....should a frig meant to use a cov cloak really have just as long as the improved does on a much larger ship? What does "on a much larger ship" have to do with anything? Is there some scientific principle I'm missing?
It takes longer for a large fat man to hide than a skinny smaller man. This has to be what he means comparing smaller and bigger ships with a cloak.
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marVLs
516
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Posted - 2013.11.20 08:28:00 -
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Did You see that some parts connected with pipes too engine are glowing only when ship is moving? |
Baali Tekitsu
B0SSAURA xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
408
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Posted - 2013.11.20 08:33:00 -
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If you want to travel cloaky just take a dedicated cloaky ship. The SoE ships have the cloaks more for a combat utility reason than travel. RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE |
Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals Market and Contract PVP
128
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Posted - 2013.11.20 09:25:00 -
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Rammix wrote: Frigates are about speed. Cloaky frigates are for cloaky speed (of travel in this case).
So you're angry the Astero isnt a covops cloaking interceptor?
Rammix wrote: Cloaky ships are meant to stay cloaked for MAXIMUM of time wherever they travel. What's the point of flying a frigate if you have to pause 10-20 seconds after each gate to just keep yourself invisible on d-scan.
They're not. They're meant to cloak at times and uncloak at others. There's not a single ship that's meant to be cloaky all the time. You're sacrificing something for something else. For example bombers are reasonably slow and hard to tank. In return they are cloaky and have unique damage projection.
Rammix wrote: As long as it can use covert ops cloaking device it IS a covert ops ship by its nature (by name - only scanner frigates are covert ops if you want to insist on correctness). Recon and BR are cruiser-sized, have smaller warp speed and agility, so when you travel in them you usually don't notice cloak reactivation delays. A frigate is a totally another thing - this cloak reactivation time should be reduced by 30% at the very least. Tears? Crocodile tears? Lol. Seems you don't get the usage of that idiom. You absolutely don't.
Btw, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a delay, I'm saying that 30 seconds are way too much for a frigate, especially for a covert one.
Again the Astero was meant as an exploration frigate. Not an all-in-onecloaky dps tanky high-speed scanning pvp hacking relic analyzing master of all ships. It does all jobs reasonable, but isnt the best at any of them. Also see: Gnosis. I am the Zodiac, I am the stars, You are the sorceress, my priestess of Mars, Queen of the night, swathed in satin black, Your ivory flesh upon my torture rack. |
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Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
302
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Posted - 2013.11.20 10:45:00 -
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Rammix wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:turn it off after you enter warp. if you land on a gate with smartbombs going off you've probably had it anyway. with the cloak off you can run your hardener(s). It's not the best way. Better to warp to 20-30km cloaked and circle around looking for safe approach.
where are you traveling? if low sec then it's fine to warp to 0 on gates uncloaked. the only problem is smartbombs on outgates.
I made a trip around low sec yesterday in the astero and the cool down typically runs out by the time you've changed session if you switch it off the moment you enter warp in the previous system.
you might get caught out on very short gate to gate warps but given how fast its align time is you'll probably get away with it. if there's a camper then just wait a little to be safe. freelance space bum |
Grim Hood
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2
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Posted - 2013.11.20 13:04:00 -
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If you want to fly with no cloak delay get a bomber or force recon or T3. The bomber is a lot cheaper than the Astero and the force recon is the same price. Or just do what was mentioned above.
On a side note, I have been fitting my Astero for pvp. It's basically like a tristan and a pilgrim had a baby. MWD, drones, tracking disruptor, long point, CovOps cloak. I have only shot at some corp mates to test it out, I have yet to go roaming, but based on my testing it's a pretty awesome ship for lowsec pvp.
Expensive? Yes. Fun? Hell yes.
In a few months when the price has dropped I will be buying a whole bunch of these for some shenanigans in FW space. |
Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
403
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Posted - 2013.11.20 13:08:00 -
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Rammix wrote:Recon and BR are cruiser-sized, have smaller warp speed
Astero: 5 AU/s warpspeed Blockade Runner: 6 AU/s warpspeed
Today I learned that for pubbies, 6 is smaller than 5. I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC. -- TheGunslinger42 "**** goons, they only kill stuff that can't shoot back, they aren't killing us fast enough, they missed my ****** Ibis so they failed, CCP ban goons they shot my ship." -- Distracted |
Arduemont
The State of War.
2438
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Posted - 2013.11.20 13:54:00 -
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Why are you even using the cloak that much? You only need to turn it on when you have others on grid. If there is no one on grid there is almost no point to hitting the cloak. So if you worried about the delay then just don't use the cloak until you need to use it. Problem solved. Why are you even cloaking when there is no one there to see you?
In the infinitely unlikely event that you would hit two gate camps one after another, then you just need to wait a little while. Or let your cloak off whilst warping so the timer is already up once you have jumped through.
On a side note, I think there should be some indication of when you can use it again. Like having it highlighted red until it is usable. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
302
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:00:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:On a side note, I think there should be some indication of when you can use it again. Like having it highlighted red until it is usable.
yeah, having some form of cool down timer indicator for modules would be nice, especially on the MJD. freelance space bum |
Rammix
TheMurk
151
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:12:00 -
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Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Rammix wrote:Recon and BR are cruiser-sized, have smaller warp speed Astero: 5 AU/s warpspeed Blockade Runner: 6 AU/s warpspeed Today I learned that for pubbies, 6 is smaller than 5. Warp speed is not only the "warp speed" stat. It's also overall agility (i.e. alignment, acceleration, warp acceleration, warp deceleration, after-warp deceleration, new warp).
Arduemont wrote:Why are you even using the cloak that much? You only need to turn it on when you have others on grid. If there is no one on grid there is almost no point to hitting the cloak. So if you worried about the delay then just don't use the cloak until you need to use it. Problem solved. Why are you even cloaking when there is no one there to see you?
In the infinitely unlikely event that you would hit two gate camps one after another, then you just need to wait a little while. Or let your cloak off whilst warping so the timer is already up once you have jumped through.
On a side note, I think there should be some indication of when you can use it again. Like having it highlighted red until it is usable. Staying cloaked - is a principle. Ships intended for covert operations should keep invisible in d-scan for as long as possible.
What tears are you people talking about? Seems you imagine tears everywhere where people don't agree with you. That's ridiculous (lame). I was speaking about inadequate approach to balancing the astero. If they didn't want it to be OP in pvp they should've made it weaker. If they wanted to make it a nice exploration ship they should've given it the same cloaking as other covert frigates have. Devs here were like trying to shoot two birds at a time, and screwed up. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
403
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:29:00 -
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Rammix wrote:Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Rammix wrote:Recon and BR are cruiser-sized, have smaller warp speed Astero: 5 AU/s warpspeed Blockade Runner: 6 AU/s warpspeed Today I learned that for pubbies, 6 is smaller than 5. Warp speed is not only the "warp speed" stat. It's also overall agility (i.e. alignment, acceleration, warp acceleration, warp deceleration, after-warp deceleration, new warp).
Warp acceleration and deceleration is higher on a BR, since it has a greater warp speed, let's take a look at the time-to warp: (All Lvl5 character used for comparison, no fits)
Astero: 2.62s align time BR: 5.15s - 5.74s align time
Combined with http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65418/1/numbers_table.png we can conclude:
<1AU : Astero arrives first <20AU: Arrival within same tick >20AU: BR arrives first
Tell me again how the Astero has a higher warp speed than a BR. I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC. -- TheGunslinger42 "**** goons, they only kill stuff that can't shoot back, they aren't killing us fast enough, they missed my ****** Ibis so they failed, CCP ban goons they shot my ship." -- Distracted |
Rammix
TheMurk
151
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:44:00 -
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Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Rammix wrote:Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Rammix wrote:Recon and BR are cruiser-sized, have smaller warp speed Astero: 5 AU/s warpspeed Blockade Runner: 6 AU/s warpspeed Today I learned that for pubbies, 6 is smaller than 5. Warp speed is not only the "warp speed" stat. It's also overall agility (i.e. alignment, acceleration, warp acceleration, warp deceleration, after-warp deceleration, new warp). Warp acceleration and deceleration is higher on a BR, since it has a greater warp speed, let's take a look at the time-to warp: (All Lvl5 character used for comparison, no fits) Astero: 2.62s align time BR: 5.15s - 5.74s align time Combined with http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65418/1/numbers_table.png we can conclude: <1AU : Astero arrives first <20AU: Arrival within same tick >20AU: BR arrives first Tell me again how the Astero has a higher warp speed than a BR. Ok, you're right. But BR is not a pvp ship by its characteristics, and astero is a pvp ship (it has everything for that). So in a BR some recloak delays with waiting in gate cloak mean almost nothing.
p.s. Btw you just proved my words - astero is faster in short range, so it needs shorter recloaking delay. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
41
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Posted - 2013.11.20 17:56:00 -
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silly discussion
if the Astero had a 5s cloak delay, it would pretty much be objectively superior to cov ops ships for most uses.
which would make no sense, since it takes almost no skillpoints to sit in an astero. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
408
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Posted - 2013.11.20 17:58:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:The Astero is NOT a covert ops ships and therefore does NOT have the covert ops cloaking delay reduction.
Be ******* happy that you even get to use the covert ops cloak on a non covert ops or Recon or BR..because they could have just as easily made it so that they can only use a standard cloak..and I couldn't image the crocodile tears youd be pouring in my GD if that was the case.
Then it would just be another pre-nerfed new ship. Maybe it would be lucky to get rebalanced 5 years down the line like EAFs. I don't have to be happy about anything. Fighting is Magic |
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
721
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Posted - 2013.11.20 19:18:00 -
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Please don't nerf the Astero until I'm done selling enough of them to pay for at least a year of game time's worth of PLEX. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Aracimia Wolfe
Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
252
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Posted - 2013.11.20 21:43:00 -
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ITT: People cry about not being able to get lowered risk pvp and other people face palm
Same old same old Kill it with Fire! |
Omega Flames
Forever Winter The Kingdom of Heaven
71
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Posted - 2013.11.20 21:48:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:silly discussion
if the Astero had a 5s cloak delay, it would pretty much be objectively superior to cov ops ships for most uses.
which would make no sense, since it takes almost no skillpoints to sit in an astero. cov ops ships have better scanning bonuses that the new soe ships and both have the same virus bonus so unless you are intentionally going into combat then the astero will never be better than the cov ops ships. cov ops have a 8 sec iirc reactivation timer and sb have a 15 sec one. giving the astero a comparitive timer would be balanced...giving it the same timer as other non cloaky ships is not balanced. (a cloaky ship is any ship that can fit a cov cloak for those of you who dont know/are too thick to engage your brains) <Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually" http://i.imgur.com/76pQ9.jpg |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
42
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Posted - 2013.11.20 22:13:00 -
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Omega Flames wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:silly discussion
if the Astero had a 5s cloak delay, it would pretty much be objectively superior to cov ops ships for most uses.
which would make no sense, since it takes almost no skillpoints to sit in an astero. cov ops ships have better scanning bonuses that the new soe ships and both have the same virus bonus so unless you are intentionally going into combat then the astero will never be better than the cov ops ships. cov ops have a 8 sec iirc reactivation timer and sb have a 15 sec one. giving the astero a comparitive timer would be balanced...giving it the same timer as other non cloaky ships is not balanced. (a cloaky ship is any ship that can fit a cov cloak for those of you who dont know/are too thick to engage your brains)
this is insane.
astero: pros: more agile than cov ops (faster align time) has much better fitting stats (32 powergrid!!! compare to 17 on a buzzard) has 4/4 slot layout...very desireable. only ship that comes close is the Helios at 5/3 offers the 37.5% scanning bonus without having to take a racial frigate skill to V the same +10 virus strength bonus as a Cov Ops
cons: lower scanning bonus. but with decent scanning skills, this becomes fairly irrelevant... big recloak timer delay slower warp speed
i think its balanced and highly useful.
its outperforming my Buzzard handidly at the task of exploration, mostly because it has two additional lowslots, so i can fit double nano + double WCS....and i can easily fit a MWD to it with its massive 32 powergrid, something i struggled to do on the buzzard.
Overall i think the Astero fills its purpose as outclassing all T1 exploration vessels, while being outclassed by T2 exploration vessels if you have enough skillpoints.
so basically
T2 Cov Ops (with good or very good skills) > Astero > T1 Frigate
Which is exactly how it should be. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4323
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Posted - 2013.11.20 22:16:00 -
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The Astero is the only T1 frigate that gets 5 drones. None of the existing covert cloaky ships get a bonus to EHP (the Astero gets 4% armour resistance per level).
It's an awesome little frigate. To get over the 30s reactivation delay, just decloak as you are in warp towards the gate. The important part of covops cloakiness in this case is being able to get into warp while cloaked, and being able to arrive on grid in an exploration site still cloaked.
Astero is OP for FW Novice Sites, BTW.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Janna Sway
GeoCorp. Curatores Veritatis Alliance
77
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Posted - 2013.11.20 22:21:00 -
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Rammix wrote:It has 30 second cloak reactivation delay. It's way too long and doesn't let to travel normally: it takes significantly less time to pass through a system, than for the timer to run out. If you turn on the cloak when warping off to the next gate, then, after you reach it and jump through, you will be unable to cloak for 10 or sometimes even 20 seconds.
What would be the use of T2 CovOps and Recon ships if these SOE "Faction" ships would make you already happy? Be realistic... |
Rammix
TheMurk
154
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Posted - 2013.11.20 22:31:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:racial frigate skill to V
[sarcasm] Learning a frig skill to V takes so much time, yeah. It's a very strong argument for a discussion. [/sarcasm]
Pinky Hops wrote:Overall i think the Astero fills its purpose as outclassing all T1 exploration vessels, while being outclassed by T2 exploration vessels if you have enough skillpoints.
so basically
T2 Cov Ops (with good or very good skills) > Astero > T1 Frigate
Which is exactly how it should be. Astero is made so that it's not only an exploration ship. It's also a relatively good pvp vessel. And astero is the only covert pvp-capable frigate with small-sized weapons.
Pinky Hops wrote:silly discussion
if the Astero had a 5s cloak delay, it would pretty much be objectively superior to cov ops ships for most uses.
which would make no sense, since it takes almost no skillpoints to sit in an astero. I never said to reduce from 30 sec to 5 sec. 12 seconds would be fine, 18 - maximum. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
780
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Posted - 2013.11.20 22:35:00 -
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It's balanced for the skill point investment tbh. Haven't flown one yet so can't really comment on the status of the ship itself. wumbo |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
798
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Posted - 2013.11.20 22:38:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:The Astero is the only T1 frigate that gets 5 drones... Tristan? |
Rammix
TheMurk
154
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Posted - 2013.11.20 22:40:00 -
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Janna Sway wrote:What would be the use of T2 CovOps and Recon ships if these SOE "Faction" ships would make you already restlessly happy and give you all a "T2" ship is already offering you? Be realistic... As I've said above, they should've made 2 ships. Anyway, 30 second delay is totally inadequate for a cloaky frigate.
edit: by "2 ships" I obviously mean "2 frigates". OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
135
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Posted - 2013.11.20 22:41:00 -
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Rammix wrote: I never said to reduce from 30 sec to 5 sec. 12 seconds would be fine, 18 - maximum.
And everyone else said that that's stupid, because the Astero is already too amazing and you're trying to reduce what is basically its only disadvantage relative to normal covops. |
Rammix
TheMurk
154
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Posted - 2013.11.20 22:45:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Rammix wrote: I never said to reduce from 30 sec to 5 sec. 12 seconds would be fine, 18 - maximum.
And everyone else said that that's stupid, because the Astero is already too amazing and you're trying to reduce what is basically its only disadvantage relative to normal covops. Forget about covops. Astero is a pvp frigate capable to explore. It has everything to be a pvp frig. Astero's exploration ability should be nerfed, and Covert Ops's abilities should be boosted. Keep astero as it is but remove exploration bonuses; give CovOps frigs resistance bonuses. And everything will be alright.
edit.
SurrenderMonkey wrote:Rammix wrote: I never said to reduce from 30 sec to 5 sec. 12 seconds would be fine, 18 - maximum.
And everyone else said that that's stupid, because the Astero is already too amazing and you're trying to reduce what is basically its only disadvantage relative to normal covops. Not everyone.
Ninja edit.
Rammix wrote:Keep astero as it is but remove exploration bonuses, and reduce recloaking delay to 15 seconds. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
135
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Posted - 2013.11.20 22:47:00 -
[43] - Quote
Rammix wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Rammix wrote: I never said to reduce from 30 sec to 5 sec. 12 seconds would be fine, 18 - maximum.
And everyone else said that that's stupid, because the Astero is already too amazing and you're trying to reduce what is basically its only disadvantage relative to normal covops. Forget about covops. Astero is a pvp frigate capable to explore. It has everything to be a pvp frig. Astero's exploration ability should be nerfed, and Covert Ops's abilities should be boosted. Keep astero as it is but remove exploration bonuses; give CovOps frigs resistance bonuses. And everything will be alright. edit. SurrenderMonkey wrote:Rammix wrote: I never said to reduce from 30 sec to 5 sec. 12 seconds would be fine, 18 - maximum.
And everyone else said that that's stupid, because the Astero is already too amazing and you're trying to reduce what is basically its only disadvantage relative to normal covops. Forget about covops. Astero is a pvp frigate capable to explore. It has everything to be a pvp frig. Astero's exploration ability should be nerfed, and Covert Ops's abilities should be boosted. Keep astero as it is but remove exploration bonuses; give CovOps frigs resistance bonuses. And everything will be alright.
Yeah, let me grab my crystal ball really quick..
...yeah, it says here that there's disappointment in your future, because none of the stupid **** you just said will be coming true. |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
42
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Posted - 2013.11.20 22:49:00 -
[44] - Quote
Rammix wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:racial frigate skill to V
[sarcasm]Learning a frig skill to V takes so much time, yeah. It's a very strong argument for a discussion. [/sarcasm]
by that slippery slope, you should disregard skillpoints altogether for balance purposes....lol......
Pinky Hops wrote:Overall i think the Astero fills its purpose as outclassing all T1 exploration vessels, while being outclassed by T2 exploration vessels if you have enough skillpoints. so basically
T2 Cov Ops (with good or very good skills) > Astero > T1 Frigate
[quote=Rammix]I never said to reduce from 30 sec to 5 sec. 12 seconds would be fine, 18 - maximum.
overbuffing. it already does what it does better than any other ship that isn't a T2 ship.
why does it need to be better than that, even?
it's a non-T2 ship that can fit a T2 mod, and you are whining that it has a drawback.
get real |
Rammix
TheMurk
154
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Posted - 2013.11.20 22:51:00 -
[45] - Quote
SurrenderMonkey wrote:yeah, it says here that there's disappointment in your future, because none of the stupid **** you just said will be coming true. You don't have the magic power to turn your opinion into reality, either. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
135
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Posted - 2013.11.20 22:53:00 -
[46] - Quote
Rammix wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:yeah, it says here that there's disappointment in your future, because none of the stupid **** you just said will be coming true. You don't have the magic power to turn your opinion into reality, either.
Mine is more like a prediction. I'm predicting that CCP is not going to take their designed-and-built as-a-fancy-exploration-ship and turn it into your cloaky-PVP jerkoff fantasy.
It has a good role that it was expressly designed to fulfill. It does it pretty well, possibly too well, and can easily be shoehorned into a number of other roles. It's already OP as ****. |
Rammix
TheMurk
154
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Posted - 2013.11.20 22:59:00 -
[47] - Quote
Pinky Hops wrote:it's a non-T2 ship that can fit a T2 mod, and you are whining that it has a drawback.
get real Why would I "get real" if the approach in building this ship was not realistic.
Such recloaking delay is inadequate for a covert ship. If they want to keep the delay, they should make Astero a non-covert frig. If they want to keep it a covert one, they should put shorter delay. That simple.
The drawback for being overpowered with covops cloak should be not a huge delay, but something else - like high price, rarety, additional significant skill requirements etc etc. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
Rammix
TheMurk
154
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:03:00 -
[48] - Quote
SurrenderMonkey wrote:It has a good role that it was expressly designed to fulfill. It does it pretty well, possibly too well, and can easily be shoehorned into a number of other roles. It's already OP as ****. Sure it's overpowered. That's why they should divide its capabilities between 2 ships, Astero has too much for one. As I've said, they should give resistance bonus to the CovOps frigs and keep astero as an only-pvp ship (maybe with a tiny not-so-sensible bonus to scanner strength). OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
Janna Sway
GeoCorp. Curatores Veritatis Alliance
78
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:25:00 -
[49] - Quote
Rammix wrote:Janna Sway wrote:What would be the use of T2 CovOps and Recon ships if these SOE "Faction" ships would make you already restlessly happy and give you all a "T2" ship is already offering you? Be realistic... As I've said above, they should've made 2 ships. Anyway, 30 second delay is totally inadequate for a cloaky frigate. edit: by "2 ships" I obviously mean "2 frigates".
No. |
Degnar Oskold
Justified Chaos
43
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:28:00 -
[50] - Quote
Astero is fine as is. I was the player who got the first ever kill on the server while flying an Astero on Tranquility, and then got 25 more kills in it that day including 6 solo and 2 assisted by rats. I eventually lost it due to stupid piloting by me in a fight I should have won.
The 30-second cloak delay is not a problem for any PVP purpose. You just need to adapt to it (know when to uncloak in warp so you can recloak at the right time) and then it becomes second nature. |
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Rammix
TheMurk
154
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:39:00 -
[51] - Quote
Not "No", "Yes".
Degnar Oskold wrote:Astero is fine as is. I was the player who got the first ever kill on the server while flying an Astero on Tranquility, and then got 25 more kills in it that day including 6 solo and 2 assisted by rats. I eventually lost it due to stupid piloting by me in a fight I should have won.
The 30-second cloak delay is not a problem for any PVP purpose. You just need to adapt to it (know when to uncloak in warp so you can recloak at the right time) and then it becomes second nature. Congratulations.
Yes, adaptation is a good thing. But the delay is still inadequate. Flying a frigate and "stumbling" on each gate to wait for the recloak - it's.. it's a bullcrap, the most right word for it. I'm of those people who believe that fitted onlined covert cloak should be unactive only in 4 cases: 1) You're logged off; 2) You're docking/undocking at this exact moment; 3) You're jumping through a gate/bridge/cyno ATM; 4) You're under POS field. Highsec is not included.
So, for me, the delay that forces me to stay gatecloaked while I should be warping and travelling further - looks like a damn bullcrap. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
339
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:53:00 -
[52] - Quote
Arduemont wrote:Why are you even using the cloak that much? You only need to turn it on when you have others on grid. If there is no one on grid there is almost no point to hitting the cloak. So if you worried about the delay then just don't use the cloak until you need to use it. Problem solved. Why are you even cloaking when there is no one there to see you?
In the infinitely unlikely event that you would hit two gate camps one after another, then you just need to wait a little while. Or let your cloak off whilst warping so the timer is already up once you have jumped through.
On a side note, I think there should be some indication of when you can use it again. Like having it highlighted red until it is usable.
The point to being cloaked is to not let people see your expensive hull on d-scan easily.
*edit I am fine with the way this ship cloaks, its already an extremely effective ship for what it is. |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
725
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:54:00 -
[53] - Quote
Degnar Oskold wrote:Astero is fine as is. I was the player who got the first ever kill on the server while flying an Astero on Tranquility, and then got 25 more kills in it that day including 6 solo and 2 assisted by rats. I eventually lost it due to stupid piloting by me in a fight I should have won.
The 30-second cloak delay is not a problem for any PVP purpose. You just need to adapt to it (know when to uncloak in warp so you can recloak at the right time) and then it becomes second nature.
26 kills before it popped? I'd say that ship lived a good life, as brief as it was. Its last "words" were probably an message that said "I regret nothing. Tell my story." on your control panel as it pushed your pod out of the ejection bay. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Degnar Oskold
Justified Chaos
44
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Posted - 2013.11.21 00:10:00 -
[54] - Quote
Jarod Garamonde wrote:Degnar Oskold wrote:Astero is fine as is. I was the player who got the first ever kill on the server while flying an Astero on Tranquility, and then got 25 more kills in it that day including 6 solo and 2 assisted by rats. I eventually lost it due to stupid piloting by me in a fight I should have won.
The 30-second cloak delay is not a problem for any PVP purpose. You just need to adapt to it (know when to uncloak in warp so you can recloak at the right time) and then it becomes second nature. 26 kills before it popped? I'd say that ship lived a good life, as brief as it was. Its last "words" were probably an message that said "I regret nothing. Tell my story." on your control panel as it pushed your pod out of the ejection bay.
I have literally never killed more ships in a single vessel before losing it! I love this thing, ran enough SOE missions last night to get one more to add to the 2 sitting in my hangar ATM. |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
42
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Posted - 2013.11.21 00:11:00 -
[55] - Quote
Rammix wrote:Flying a frigate and "stumbling" on each gate to wait for the recloak - it's.. it's a bullcrap, the most right word for it.
I find this hard to understand.
Are you saying you are continuously doing a regular operation (such as warping to gates) and you can't figure out when to uncloak so that you can cloak at the time that you want, given a set timer that doesn't change?
And this is happening over and over?
Hrm.
I don't think it's a problem with the ship. I would blame the pilot. |
Degnar Oskold
Justified Chaos
44
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Posted - 2013.11.21 12:25:00 -
[56] - Quote
Fitted up another Astero and took it out this morning. Killed a cloaks stabbed Catalyst (!) who'se former pilot then denied that we had a good fight, then killed a cloaks stabbed Merlin, retrieved from its wreck nearly 60 million Isk worth of tags, thanked the former pilot and then prodded him.
I love the Astero. Totally worth the 2.5 hours of SOE missions needed to get one! |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
259
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Posted - 2013.11.21 13:49:00 -
[57] - Quote
Degnar Oskold wrote:Fitted up another Astero and took it out this morning. Killed a cloaks stabbed Catalyst (!) who'se former pilot then denied that we had a good fight, then killed a cloaks stabbed Merlin, retrieved from its wreck nearly 60 million Isk worth of tags, thanked the former pilot and then prodded him.
I love the Astero. Totally worth the 2.5 hours of SOE missions needed to get one!
haha nice one The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
Rammix
TheMurk
162
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:36:00 -
[58] - Quote
Pinky Hops wrote:Rammix wrote:Flying a frigate and "stumbling" on each gate to wait for the recloak - it's.. it's a bullcrap, the most right word for it. I find this hard to understand. Are you saying you are continuously doing a regular operation (such as warping to gates) and you can't figure out when to uncloak so that you can cloak at the time that you want, given a set timer that doesn't change? And this is happening over and over? Hrm. I don't think it's a problem with the ship. I would blame the pilot. You didn't understand me. I can figure out when the timer is ending.
But I find it stupid that a frigate has to wait gatecloaked at almost every gate before it can travel further cloaked. Just in case you can't understand even the above sentence, with this stupid recloaking delays you can't do this: jump through, without a pause initiate warp, cloak, reach the next gate, jump, initiate warp without any waiting, recloak... etc.
That is what I called "stumbling". OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
Degnar Oskold
Justified Chaos
45
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Posted - 2013.11.21 18:19:00 -
[59] - Quote
Rammix wrote:
But I find it stupid that a frigate has to wait gatecloaked at almost every gate before it can travel further cloaked. Just in case you can't understand even the above sentence, with this stupid recloaking delays you can't do this: jump through, without a pause initiate warp, cloak, reach the next gate, jump, initiate warp without any waiting, recloak... etc.
That is what I called "stumbling".
In Low sec this isn't a problem. You only really need to cloak when initiating warp, then drop cloak one you're in warp and able to move freely. The only exception is if you know a smartbomber is in system |
Rammix
TheMurk
162
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:09:00 -
[60] - Quote
Degnar Oskold wrote:Rammix wrote:
But I find it stupid that a frigate has to wait gatecloaked at almost every gate before it can travel further cloaked. Just in case you can't understand even the above sentence, with this stupid recloaking delays you can't do this: jump through, without a pause initiate warp, cloak, reach the next gate, jump, initiate warp without any waiting, recloak... etc.
That is what I called "stumbling".
In Low sec this isn't a problem. You only really need to cloak when initiating warp, then drop cloak one you're in warp and able to move freely. The only exception is if you know a smartbomber is in system It's not right for covert ships to fly uncloaked. It's very wrong. They're covert, they're meant to be invisible all the time - except only 4 cases I've mentioned in an earlier post. I know that many people tick d-scan only once-twice per minute, some almost don't use it, but - still many people are keen in d-scan usage and tick it every 2-5 seconds when not afk. I repeat, any ship must keep itself away from d-scan for as long as 'physically' possible. So any covert ship which has to fly uncloaked when it actually doesn't have to be uncloaked (by 4 factors mentioned higher or by the pilots intention) - is broken. OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
194
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:14:00 -
[61] - Quote
Would somebody get this guy a bottle of warm milk already?
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Rammix
TheMurk
162
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:23:00 -
[62] - Quote
SurrenderMonkey wrote:Would somebody get this guy a bottle of warm milk already?
Would someone teach this guy to not post when he doesn't know what to say? OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
194
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:26:00 -
[63] - Quote
Rammix wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Would somebody get this guy a bottle of warm milk already?
Would someone teach this guy to not post when he doesn't know what to say?
Everything there is to be said has been said, repeatedly, by pretty much everyone-who-isn't-you.
It's not a dedicated cov-ops ship, it fills a different role than other ships that get a covert-ops cloak, this is by design, and the fact that you want it to fill a different role than the one it was designed for is tough ****.
You don't like that, though, so like any proper infant you've opted to employ the, "Whine about it until I get my way," strategy, oblivious to the fact that it's destined to be futile. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4872
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:28:00 -
[64] - Quote
SOE ships are not considered Covert Ops class ships, nor are the listed that way.
SOE ships (pirate faction) are supposed to be better than T2 ships in general, but not in the T2 ships area of expertise.
SOE ships are not supposed to out perform the more specialized Covert Ops ships at their own game. Covert Ops ships are supposed to be the best at cloaking.
A 30 second recloak timer is trivially easy to deal with when traveling.
Stop thinking of them as "less effective than a T2 vessel at cloaking" and instead think of them as "more effective than any other T1 ship at cloaking".
Quote:That being the case, someone should stick a nipple in your mouth and quiet you down.
Edit: If that's the penalty for whining, I'll take two please. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
465
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:38:00 -
[65] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:SOE ships are not considered Covert Ops class ships, nor are the listed that way.
Says who? Can use covert cynos, can warp cloaked, can take covert bridges. Its a covops ship alright. Doesn't have recloak reduction? fine.. still a covops ship.
Quote:SOE ships (pirate faction) are supposed to be better than T2 ships in general, but not at in the T2 ships area of expertise. This is semi true, and has more to do with t2 balancing than it does with what pirate ships are supposed to be. Pirate ships are generous with the bonuses, HP, and fittings. How they size up to their competition varies both by ship and when in Eve's history you're talking about.
Quote:SOE ships are not supposed to out perform the more specialized Covert Ops ships at their own game. Covert Ops ships are supposed to be the best at cloaking. Except for Black Ops. Are black ops not covert ops? They can't warp cloaked but they can recloak fast, and they are hit by the scan res penalty.
Quote:A 30 second recloak timer is trivially easy to deal with when traveling. Arguably true. Lets just talk about this instead of arguing weather they're nominaly, technically, semanticaly a "covops ship." Because they are . They're a covert ops ship that intentionally doesn't have a recloaking reduction. This should not cause heads to explode. Why can't I delete this signature? |
Rammix
TheMurk
162
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:05:00 -
[66] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:SOE ships are not considered Covert Ops class ships, nor are the listed that way. SOE ships (pirate faction) are supposed to be better than T2 ships in general, but not in the T2 ships area of expertise. SOE ships are not supposed to out perform the more specialized Covert Ops ships at their own game. Covert Ops ships are supposed to be the best at cloaking. A 30 second recloak timer is trivially easy to deal with when traveling. Stop thinking of them as "less effective than a T2 vessel at cloaking" and instead think of them as "more effective than any other T1 ship at cloaking". Quote:That being the case, someone should stick a nipple in your mouth and quiet you down. Edit: If that's the penalty for whining, I'll take two please. Obviously you can't read. In this topic I don't really care about astero being nerfed or boosted. They may nerf it as they will and as far as they will.
But 30 seconds recloaking delay for a covert cloak on a frigate is bullcrap.
SurrenderMonkey wrote:///blablabla///
That being the case, someone should stick a nipple in your mouth and quiet you down. You just don't agree, your opinion is different from mine, but that totally doesn't mean that you're right and I'm wrong.
You may troll, you may come up with some "funny" jokes, but I still will think a 30sec delay cannot be sane for a frigate able to use covert cloak (yes, any ship with a covert cloak - is a covert ship).
Let me explain this in the simplest way I can formulate, just for you: Covert cloak -> covert ship -> covert travel. Covert travel means you don't have to wait for any stupid excessive timers to travel staying invisible on d-scan for all the time (except docking/jumping/logging-off/pos-sitting).
OpenSUSE 12.2, wine 1.5 Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
1124
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:07:00 -
[67] - Quote
Rammix wrote:
You may troll
DONT MIND IF I DO
You are wrong
Is that ok? High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |
Pezazz
Kitsune Corporation
5
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Posted - 2013.11.25 08:18:00 -
[68] - Quote
Flown the Astero on some exploration in low sec. The cloaking delay is a bit annoying after using a Helios. But it is not life threatening. The big downside seems to me that others have more chances to see what you are flying, but that doesn't make you much easier to catch. You just have to be more aware of the cloak, rather than automatically going D F1 on each system warp.
The up-side is still major. My Astero has some teeth. All my Helios could do was run. |
Tiberius StarGazer
Trifectas Executor Trifectas Syndicate
371
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Posted - 2013.12.22 23:28:00 -
[69] - Quote
Personally have had some success as using the astero as an anti-covert ops ship catching faction war mission runners and exploration site runners, non combat wise great scanning boat, but I've had very little success elsewhere. As a straight up brawler it suffers somewhat considering if you want those drones to put out more than 60DPS (with lights)then your sacrificing tank, it's capacitor is somewhat poor so it's highs can't really run weapons / neuts for long and I haven't really been able to get it to kite it as I can only get 2,500m/s with no heavy tank and low-grade snakes. The 30second delay means if you decloak you better be sure about it. Or you save it for when you want to get out a tight spot.
All in all, great boat, but I wouldn't take it up against any more dedicated combat ships, particularly brawlers, kiters you may just be able to tank until they give up... Or bring friends. But for me, hunting FW mission runners and explorers it's perfect. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2013.12.23 04:10:00 -
[70] - Quote
Tiberius StarGazer wrote:
All in all, great boat, but I wouldn't take it up against any more dedicated combat ships, particularly brawlers, kiters you may just be able to tank until they give up... Or bring friends. But for me, hunting FW mission runners and explorers it's perfect.
This ...
Whilst the final configuration of the SOE ships was not something I could personally make use of (I tried but in the end I sold the two Asteros and the Stratios that I made) many people do use them. They are in high demand and I have even seen small gang sized fleets of Stratios about.
These current SOE ships are clearly not underpowered or they would not sell as well as they do. There is a limit to how many ships will sell on the basis of purely looking pretty in the hanger.
I am a little bit more concerned about the current proposal for the Nexor which seems to have a bit of a "do lotsa different stuff but not all at the same time and do none of those things well" spin to it in its current incarnation ... but this is not the thread for that discussion. |
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Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2159
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Posted - 2013.12.23 07:42:00 -
[71] - Quote
Rammix wrote: 30 seconds recloaking delay for a covert cloak on a T1 frigate is perfectly sensible.
Fixed.
Because the fact that a T1 frigate can warp cloaked AT ALL makes it an exceptional vessel for survival in hostile space, lowsec, nulsec and wormhole alike, especially for newer, low-skilled pilots. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2159
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Posted - 2013.12.23 07:48:00 -
[72] - Quote
Tiberius StarGazer wrote:
All in all, great boat, but I wouldn't take it up against any more dedicated combat ships, particularly brawlers, kiters you may just be able to tank until they give up... Or bring friends. But for me, hunting FW mission runners and explorers it's perfect.
I don't know about you, but I took an Astero on a solo PVP test run over the last 24 hours, and mine held up quite nicely. Against brawlers, kiters, etc. Even had a Slicer run away from me when he was losing...
Spent some time plexing in Minmatar space as well, solo'd a Comet quite nicely. Until my mate in a Prophecy came along to help finish the job... but the Comet was already in structure when he showed up. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Tiberius StarGazer
Trifectas Executor Trifectas Syndicate
375
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Posted - 2013.12.23 07:54:00 -
[73] - Quote
Nice, I've having real trouble with finding that sweetspot with its fittings for pure fighting PvPing. |
Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2159
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Posted - 2013.12.23 07:58:00 -
[74] - Quote
Tiberius StarGazer wrote:Nice, I've having real trouble with finding that sweetspot with its fittings for pure fighting PvPing.
I've been experimenting. Tried an alpha arty active armour tank over the last 24 hours, works pretty good but needs a cap booster, so no web. But, soon, imma be tryin a dual NOS fit with active armour. What you wanna do is focus your damage output to drones as much as possible I think. Cap can be dramatic, but not so much that you can't survive without a booster or NOS. A Dragoon or bigger, Amarr-wise, might give you trouble. Anything more than a single medium neut is probably gonna be your downfall if you're active tanked, so I wanna try out a few passive ideas soon. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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