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Gigi Zaan
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:51:00 -
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Jaigar
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2011.11.18 13:25:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:If you're only getting 1661m/s from a tornado then you're clearly fitting it wrong. Also matching up Autos and Blaster is never a good idea. Do we really have to see another thread by someone complaining that their hybrids don't work like Autocannons?
Im not trying to be rude to the OP, but could you honest to god, please, please learn how to ******* fly Gal ships before making a "look how **** they are" thread.
In before the "can't make range" comments, get a better warp in, if you know you're in ships that demand being at 4km - 12km and you don't have some inties to bridge range and get you the warp ins, then your fleets set up wrong, go buy hurricanes and press F1 together.
The ships are meant to not only do different things, but be used differently. If you roam around in a "no matter the race we fly like this" mind. Then you get what you get, and the builders of your ships thank you.
The winning is in your piloting, not the balancing from ccp. +1 to this. I fly with guys who use blasters extremely well (even on TQ) in WH space. Because of the nature of WHs, people pop out always within web range, and when ganking warp-ins are always right on top.
Honestly I wouldn't downplay tracking. Can a tornado still hit a scimitar 40km out while orbiting it? Comparing 800s to heavy neutrons, the talos has 65% better tracking than a tornado, and have you tried to see how this affects combat when close?
Seriously, go experiment trying to pop logi's while trying to maintain some form of transversal, it aint easy. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.18 16:05:00 -
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Jaigar wrote:sYnc Vir wrote:If you're only getting 1661m/s from a tornado then you're clearly fitting it wrong. Also matching up Autos and Blaster is never a good idea. Do we really have to see another thread by someone complaining that their hybrids don't work like Autocannons?
Im not trying to be rude to the OP, but could you honest to god, please, please learn how to ******* fly Gal ships before making a "look how **** they are" thread.
In before the "can't make range" comments, get a better warp in, if you know you're in ships that demand being at 4km - 12km and you don't have some inties to bridge range and get you the warp ins, then your fleets set up wrong, go buy hurricanes and press F1 together.
The ships are meant to not only do different things, but be used differently. If you roam around in a "no matter the race we fly like this" mind. Then you get what you get, and the builders of your ships thank you.
The winning is in your piloting, not the balancing from ccp. +1 to this. I fly with guys who use blasters extremely well (even on TQ) in WH space. Because of the nature of WHs, people pop out always within web range, and when ganking warp-ins are always right on top. Honestly I wouldn't downplay tracking. Can a tornado still hit a scimitar 40km out while orbiting it? Comparing 800s to heavy neutrons, the talos has 65% better tracking than a tornado, and have you tried to see how this affects combat when close? Seriously, go experiment trying to pop logi's while trying to maintain some form of transversal, it aint easy.
I'm playing with my basi on SISI fleets, this oen has a bigger sign radius than scimi right?
Well talos is less than a problem because can't get in range anyway he's already dead, while tornados keep shooting strong enough from "there" mwd'in and gtfo.
Probably in TQ this will change a bit, but seriously, Talos is less of a problem for logis pilots other than try desperately to keep them alive witch is almost impossible if you're not several remoting the thing |
Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.11.18 18:40:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Probably in TQ this will change a bit, but seriously, Talos is less of a problem for logis pilots other than try desperately to keep them alive witch is almost impossible if you're not several remoting the thing When I was fleeted with logistics, I definitely ran into this problem. The hull isn't too sustainable, but I suppose that's a point of the ship's design. I've heard that a shield tanked Talos has more survivability than an armor tanked one, but I'm not so sure how well that opinion holds. |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.11.18 18:45:00 -
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Oberine Noriepa wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:Probably in TQ this will change a bit, but seriously, Talos is less of a problem for logis pilots other than try desperately to keep them alive witch is almost impossible if you're not several remoting the thing When I was fleeted with logistics, I definitely ran into this problem. The hull isn't too sustainable, but I suppose that's a point of the ship's design. I've heard that a shield tanked Talos has more survivability than an armor tanked one, but I'm not so sure how well that opinion holds.
I know no one whose tested the Talos and said they are going to armor tank it. Everyone of them is going to shield tank it because its simply better that way. Glass Cannon that can out DPS a Tornado < 30KM |
Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.11.18 18:57:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:I know no one whose tested the Talos and said they are going to armor tank it. Everyone of them is going to shield tank it because its simply better that way. Glass Cannon that can out DPS a Tornado < 30KM Awesome. I'll have to give that a shot later on. |
Jerick Ludhowe
Shadow Legion Industries Dark Phoenix Rising.
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Posted - 2011.11.18 19:34:00 -
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if you're going to shield tank a Talos just get a Naga instead.... If you're going to armor tank the Talos... Don't.
From my extensive Sisi testing I can assure you that the Talos is bar none the worst of the tier 3 BCS for anything other than high sec ganking where the use of 2 more dmg mods may come in handy... Then again you're probably better off getting a couple buddies flying t1 fit catalysts/thrashers anyway. |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:01:00 -
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Jerick Ludhowe wrote:if you're going to shield tank a Talos just get a Naga instead.... If you're going to armor tank the Talos... Don't.
From my extensive Sisi testing I can assure you that the Talos is bar none the worst of the tier 3 BCS for anything other than high sec ganking where the use of 2 more dmg mods may come in handy... Then again you're probably better off getting a couple buddies flying t1 fit catalysts/thrashers anyway.
The lack of lows on the naga, make it useless as a blaster boat. Rails however work on that one. |
Jerick Ludhowe
Shadow Legion Industries Dark Phoenix Rising.
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Posted - 2011.11.18 22:14:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:Jerick Ludhowe wrote:if you're going to shield tank a Talos just get a Naga instead.... If you're going to armor tank the Talos... Don't.
From my extensive Sisi testing I can assure you that the Talos is bar none the worst of the tier 3 BCS for anything other than high sec ganking where the use of 2 more dmg mods may come in handy... Then again you're probably better off getting a couple buddies flying t1 fit catalysts/thrashers anyway. The lack of lows on the naga, make it useless as a blaster boat. Rails however work on that one.
Your blaster Talos against my Blaster Naga... I'd suggest we even wait till after xpack hits TQ so this wager has a bit more meaning to it. Deal?
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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.11.18 22:52:00 -
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Jerick Ludhowe wrote:sYnc Vir wrote:Jerick Ludhowe wrote:if you're going to shield tank a Talos just get a Naga instead.... If you're going to armor tank the Talos... Don't.
From my extensive Sisi testing I can assure you that the Talos is bar none the worst of the tier 3 BCS for anything other than high sec ganking where the use of 2 more dmg mods may come in handy... Then again you're probably better off getting a couple buddies flying t1 fit catalysts/thrashers anyway. The lack of lows on the naga, make it useless as a blaster boat. Rails however work on that one. Your blaster Talos against my Blaster Naga... I'd suggest we even wait till after xpack hits TQ so this wager has a bit more meaning to it. Deal?
Its not my Talos, corp mates. But the extra lows on a shield Talos allow TEs and a Nano. I Dont have T2 Large Blasters.
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