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Carebears Countdown 5-4-3-2-1
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.21 08:19:00 -
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What if barges could go "bastion"... you can't mine while it's activated but your defensive stats increase significantly. Add +1 high slot for it to each barge. Consider strip miners/harvesters a type of turret, and place max turret limitations on barges to keep current yield the same. As a secondary affect you'll now be able to fit a cloaking device - making mining in low-sec at least a little more viable than it currently is.
Why? Simple: 3 of the 6 mining barges can be ganked by a single Catalyst no matter how well you fit it; with the Mackinaw only being able to resist a solo gank if fitted purely for tank. This is simply not balanced.
Don't agree? Here's another why: Incentive to not mine while AFK. That's right, now actually staying at your keyboard matters! *gasp*
This idea could very well may have problems. I have not thought overly deep about this. The idea came up while reading another thread and figured I'd not intrude and go offtopic in there.
Discuss! |
Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals Market and Contract PVP
131
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Posted - 2013.11.21 11:09:00 -
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I thought mining barges were made for mining, not for being mega tanky. I was wrong I guess. Also if you want tank buy a skiff/procurer I am the Zodiac, I am the stars, You are the sorceress, my priestess of Mars, Queen of the night, swathed in satin black, Your ivory flesh upon my torture rack. |
Jason Itiner
Sectatores Pax
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Posted - 2013.11.21 11:35:00 -
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It's not like mining is a very AFK activity: at the very least, you need to check back every three minutes to see if the rock you're chewing is still there, if you don't want to loose ore/hr. Unless you're mining Arkonor or Bistot in WH/null, in which case you still need to check back quite often due to Arkonor's low density (even a Retriever's mega ore hold fills up in 2-3 cycles of Arkonor), and the simple danger of not paying attention in W-space, which is its own punishment. |
Caldess
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.11.21 12:09:00 -
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Carebears Countdown 5-4-3-2-1 wrote:What if barges could go "bastion"... you can't mine while it's activated but your defensive stats increase significantly. Add +1 high slot for it to each barge. Consider strip miners/harvesters a type of turret, and place max turret limitations on barges to keep current yield the same. As a secondary affect you'll now be able to fit a cloaking device - making mining in low-sec at least a little more viable than it currently is.
Why? Simple: 3 of the 6 mining barges can be ganked by a single Catalyst no matter how well you fit it; with the Mackinaw only being able to resist a solo gank if fitted purely for tank. This is simply not balanced.
Don't agree? Here's another why: Incentive to not mine while AFK. That's right, now actually staying at your keyboard matters! *gasp*
This idea could very well may have problems. I have not thought overly deep about this. The idea came up while reading another thread and figured I'd not intrude and go offtopic in there.
Discuss!
If you would add a the bastion mode modul for mining barges you would win nothing. Its again a simple missunderstatement of Tank and EHP. Ofc the 30% resistence the bastion mode gives you would ofc increas your ehp a bit. But its not like that if you atm get ganked by a single catalyst, you can then survive 10. The repair bonus will not help you since ganking is more matter of high alpha. Its not like that they shoot you for 1 minute :).
And also what would you win with that? If you would have said module gankers would just group up to get the necessary numbers. So instead of sologank they need 2-3 friends to do it. or just 2-3 alts, it also means that someone who is scared of ganks will sit in bastion mode the whole time becaus whenever something shows ups he will hit the "im scared" button. Which also means that you cant mine while in that mode nor can you warp out. And that means that the gankers see "oh he is in bastion mode and cant run away" lets take him first.
So instead of a bastion module which gives resists and rep bonus you would look for a module that gives you more shield armor and hull + resists. And if they add this for mining barges , why not add it for any other ship as well ? WHy? just for the sake of it i guess ;)
Fitting a cloaking device is also something i cant understand why you would want that. OFc you could just cloak up, and maybe we should give mining barges just covert cloaks weapons and a tank so they can either hide, fight or do mining... but they are a mining ship nothing more and nothing less. |
Jaro Essa
Dahkur Forge
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Posted - 2013.11.21 13:16:00 -
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Carebears Countdown 5-4-3-2-1 wrote:What if barges could go "bastion"... you can't mine while it's activated but your defensive stats increase significantly.
Credit for thinking of something that's not just a straight buff to EHP, but I doubt this would be particularly useful.
Presuming the proposed barge/exhumer bastion module would in general terms work the same way as the marauder version (ie. immobile whilst active, can't dock or jump gates for 1 minute after cycle ends), a barge/exhumer entering bastion mode would be transformed literally into a sitting duck; any determined ganker would simply wait out the cycle, then pick you off. Or team up and take you out anyway.
Even if one refit to guns (can mobile depots be used in bastion mode? I have no idea) it'd be all but impossible to kill a ganker before the cycle ended.
Carebears Countdown 5-4-3-2-1 wrote:As a secondary affect you'll now be able to fit a cloaking device - making mining in low-sec at least a little more viable than it currently is.
One can already fit a cloak to a barge/exhumer, with the tradeoff being reduced yield; just like one can fit tanking modules in lows instead of mining laser upgrades. Fitting is supposed to be a tradeoff between all the different options. Why should these ships be able to fit everything? |
Yummy Chocolate
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2664
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Posted - 2013.11.21 13:57:00 -
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Another carebear got mad because he was ganked. Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase Felicity Love >... was thinking "moar popcorn"... but now, seeing the truly awesome contribution this thread is going to make to the Greater Glory Of EVE.... imagonnamakkadapizza.... |
supernova ranger
The End of Eternity Ad-Astra
82
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Posted - 2013.11.21 14:27:00 -
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Hell no, this would useless... Anyone who activated it would be an idiot because if someone wants to gank you, its gonna happen
Put a damage control on your ship and stop going afk so that you can see the destroyers showing up on grid and make a run for it.
Wait... Something is off here, how did you loose 2-3 vessels at once? that could only happen in low sec... I've had my hulk survive a 5 person catalyst 0.6 security gank attempt (was very funny as I wasn't at my computer at the time...) and though it was into hull it came out alive... My skills may be high but shields has a low SP requirement so I don't know what happened with you there.......... Smells very fishy (the kind of fishy that has been left thawed for over a week) |
Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals Market and Contract PVP
133
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Posted - 2013.11.21 14:29:00 -
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Yummy Chocolate wrote:Another carebear got mad because he was ganked. Seriously. Mining permits are CHEAP I am the Zodiac, I am the stars, You are the sorceress, my priestess of Mars, Queen of the night, swathed in satin black, Your ivory flesh upon my torture rack. |
Jason Itiner
Sectatores Pax
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Posted - 2013.11.21 14:33:00 -
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Electrique Wizard wrote:Yummy Chocolate wrote:Another carebear got mad because he was ganked. Seriously. Mining permits are CHEAP
Mining permits? Are you one of those "New Order of Highsec" bastards? |
supernova ranger
The End of Eternity Ad-Astra
82
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Posted - 2013.11.21 14:34:00 -
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Electrique Wizard wrote:Yummy Chocolate wrote:Another carebear got mad because he was ganked. Seriously. Mining permits are CHEAP
What... becoming a PET and renting sov space in null?
Not usually for anywhere good... |
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Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied Kiki's Delivery Service.
30
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Posted - 2013.11.21 14:50:00 -
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Yummy Chocolate wrote:Another carebear got mad because he was ganked. Exactly what I thought.
@ OP: Look, I know you want your ship to live forever and all that junk, but from an economic stand point ships MUST be destroyed. That's ALL ships. the only was the economy can keep going is if ships, modules and goods are destroyed. It's basic economics. If mining barges in highsec were not killed by gankers then the barge market would become stagnant and the ships would lose value and no longer be produced. They're fine as they are and honestly if you don't want to get ganked you should be ina nullbear alliance that knows how to run a proper nullsec mining op. honestly it's not that difficult. |
Hopelesshobo
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
148
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Posted - 2013.11.21 15:05:00 -
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Carebears Countdown 5-4-3-2-1 wrote:Simple: 3 of the 6 mining barges can be ganked by a single Catalyst no matter how well you fit it; with the Mackinaw only being able to resist a solo gank if fitted purely for tank.
At this point I realized that the OP has no numbers to back up these claims, and is pulling numbers from imagination land. Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012. |
Carebears Countdown 5-4-3-2-1
University of Caille Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2013.11.22 05:03:00 -
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Get on up 'er |
Hopelesshobo
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
150
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Posted - 2013.11.22 05:52:00 -
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Carebears Countdown 5-4-3-2-1 wrote:Get on up 'er
Before you bump your post again, how about you actually include actual number from the server instead of simply claiming that 3 out of the 6 mining barges can be ganked by 1 catalyst no matter how you fit it. From there introduce PLAUSIBLE stats to the new module you propose and post the changes to the current numbers to determine how many catalysts it would take to kill the mining barges. Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012. |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
626
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Posted - 2013.11.22 05:58:00 -
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"Bastion module for bot mining barges". Fixed it for you. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
621
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Posted - 2013.11.22 07:38:00 -
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Carebears Countdown 5-4-3-2-1 wrote:What if barges could go "bastion"... you can't mine while it's activated but your defensive stats increase significantly.
Why would anyone use that?
A Mining "Bastion" Module that would cut your tank in half while quadrupling your yield on the other hand could be worth the risk. Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
621
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Posted - 2013.11.22 07:41:00 -
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Hopelesshobo wrote:Carebears Countdown 5-4-3-2-1 wrote:Simple: 3 of the 6 mining barges can be ganked by a single Catalyst no matter how well you fit it; with the Mackinaw only being able to resist a solo gank if fitted purely for tank. At this point I realized that the OP has no numbers to back up these claims, and is pulling numbers from imagination land.
Yeah, tha "No matter how your fit it" part was hilarious.
"Do I put the cargo hold extender in low slot one or two? And where do I put THE OTHER cargo hold extender? " Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
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