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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1537
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Posted - 2013.11.25 21:43:00 -
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Are you going to give back some of the stuff you stripped from the Paladin / Kronos?
Clearly, when one of your CSM members starts braying about the tanking capabilities in Level 4's as way OP, before the 1st day was done (clearly he had the blog ready beforehand), that is your opportunity to say "well, if one member of the CSM says they are OP, they must be nerfed".
And frankly, he is correct, they are a joke in Level IV's, at least from a tanking perspective, but they desperately need DPS. So when you do yet ANOTHER "balance", as you like to call it, at least give them a DPS boost or web bonuses back, or something. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
1990
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Posted - 2013.11.25 21:50:00 -
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A Paladin does 1000 DPS, I don't see the problem. Oh god. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6407
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Posted - 2013.11.25 21:52:00 -
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If you're overtanked and low on DPS, you're completely missing the point and should probably learn how to fit ships. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17528
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Posted - 2013.11.25 21:53:00 -
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Why would they nerf it? And what is the Paladin and Kronos missing? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1537
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Posted - 2013.11.25 21:54:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:If you're overtanked and low on DPS, you're completely missing the point and should probably learn how to fit ships.
Gee, maybe I would like the drone bay bandwidth back, that was a direct nerf to DPS. Or maybe my web bonus back, which was a direct nerf to effective DPS. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6407
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Posted - 2013.11.25 21:56:00 -
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So you would like that they remove the tank bonuses (an indirect buff to DPS) or the range bonuses (a direct buff to applied DPS)? EVE Online - An Unstable Game |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1537
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Posted - 2013.11.25 21:59:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:So you would like that they remove the tank bonuses (an indirect buff to DPS) or the range bonuses (a direct buff to applied DPS)?
I am not sure which one CCP will remove, would prefer tanking for more DPS, but hey, you and your crew will likely get them to remove both. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
679
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Posted - 2013.11.25 22:01:00 -
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Quote:3. Ranting is prohibited.
A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents. Thread locked. ISD LackOfFaith Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISD_LackOfFaith on Twitter |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2623
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Posted - 2013.11.26 02:02:00 -
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Hi,
I'd like to apologize for this thread being locked.
I have re-opened it, but I would ask that people remain constructive in their comments.
Thank you. ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6418
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Posted - 2013.11.26 02:20:00 -
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ISD Suvetar wrote:Hi,
I'd like to apologize for this thread being locked.
I have re-opened it, but I would ask that people remain constructive in their comments.
Thank you.
EVE Online - An Unstable Game |
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
293
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Posted - 2013.11.26 02:25:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:If you're overtanked and low on DPS, you're completely missing the point and should probably learn how to fit ships.
Good players are both seriously tanked and high on DPS. Among other things.
The Most Interesting Player In Eve. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1169
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Posted - 2013.11.26 02:29:00 -
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Clearly the answer is to nerf L4 missions. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
1563
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Posted - 2013.11.26 02:31:00 -
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Kronos and Paladin can both still use drones, and neither of them rely on them for almost all of their DPS. How often would you even use a web on a rat thats flying right at you?
And a Paladin with 2 resists mods and a medium faction rep can tank 702 DPS when fighting Sansha, thats enough, use damage mods. You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument! |
Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
172
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Posted - 2013.11.26 02:53:00 -
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Can we get this locked again? It's pointless and moronic. Are you upset because you had to adjust your fit, or are you just a miserable person in general? A proud member of Wolfbane Hauler Inc. We are currently recruiting pilots of all skill levels. We need both industrial combat specialists. For more information see our ad:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3764273&#post3764273 |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1537
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Posted - 2013.11.26 02:53:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:So you would like that they remove the tank bonuses (an indirect buff to DPS) or the range bonuses (a direct buff to applied DPS)?
Quite frankly, yes.
If CCP decides to do something with this current set of bastion / marauder stats, and I very much expect that they will, I would like CCP to first re-establish the baseline of the pre-Rubicon Marauder, which was a superior ship to the ones we have today.
BTW, read CSM rep Jester's Nov 18th blog about Marauders. http://jestertrek.blogspot.ca/2013/11/shake-your-money-maker.html Read the last line of that blog.
What does that imply? Sounds to me something is blowing in the wind already. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Zurin Arctus
CRANK INC.
11
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Posted - 2013.11.26 02:55:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Are you going to give back some of the stuff you stripped from the Paladin / Kronos?
Clearly, when one of your CSM members starts braying about the tanking capabilities in Level 4's as way OP, before the 1st day was done (clearly he had the blog ready beforehand), that is your opportunity to say "well, if one member of the CSM says they are OP, they must be nerfed".
And frankly, he is correct, they are a joke in Level IV's, at least from a tanking perspective, but they desperately need DPS. So when you do yet ANOTHER "balance", as you like to call it, at least give them a DPS boost or web bonuses back, or something.
Wait, wait. You're arguing that their tanking bonus makes them "OP" in level 4 missions, and also that their DPS is insufficient?
Can't be too OP in missions - which are all about quick clears - if they have such abysmal DPS, hmm?
Frankly, though, I don't really care what you think of the bastion module's implications for godawful, neglected, unrewarding PvE content that almost no sentient creature in New Eden will voluntarily endure. Does it really matter? Did Marauders face significant risk from the rats in level 4 missions before these changes? (The answer to this last rhetorical question is "Not if they had remembered to fit a tank.")
I don't think it's wise to rush to a decision on balance based on something like this - especially if it's not negatively affecting anyone besides those poor, beleaguered high sec rats. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
243
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Posted - 2013.11.26 02:59:00 -
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It almost seems like you're hellbent on crying about something, at all times, OP, and you just have a list of topics hooked up to an RNG that spits out the daily whine topic. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17530
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Posted - 2013.11.26 03:01:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:If CCP decides to do something with this current set of bastion / marauder stats, and I very much expect that they will, I would like CCP to first re-establish the baseline of the pre-Rubicon Marauder, which was a superior ship to the ones we have today. SoGǪ how were they superior before when the evidence you provide to support your assertion posits that they're ridiculously good at their jobs now?
Quote:What does that imply? It implies that if there is anything they desperately need, it certainly isn't more DPS. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1537
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Posted - 2013.11.26 03:02:00 -
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Zurin Arctus wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Are you going to give back some of the stuff you stripped from the Paladin / Kronos?
Clearly, when one of your CSM members starts braying about the tanking capabilities in Level 4's as way OP, before the 1st day was done (clearly he had the blog ready beforehand), that is your opportunity to say "well, if one member of the CSM says they are OP, they must be nerfed".
And frankly, he is correct, they are a joke in Level IV's, at least from a tanking perspective, but they desperately need DPS. So when you do yet ANOTHER "balance", as you like to call it, at least give them a DPS boost or web bonuses back, or something. Wait, wait. You're arguing that their tanking bonus makes them "OP" in level 4 missions, and also that their DPS is insufficient? Can't be too OP in missions - which are all about quick clears - if they have such abysmal DPS, hmm? Frankly, though, I don't really care what you think of the bastion module's implications for godawful, neglected, unrewarding PvE content that almost no sentient creature in New Eden will voluntarily endure. Does it really matter? Did Marauders face significant risk from the rats in level 4 missions before these changes? (The answer to this last rhetorical question is "Not if they had remembered to fit a tank.") I don't think it's wise to rush to a decision on balance based on something like this - especially if it's not negatively affecting anyone besides those poor, beleaguered high sec rats.
I think you miss the point. Marauders pre-Rubicon could easily tank L4's. That is a given point.
Post-Rubicon, they way way overtank missions, but they also have lost DPS (web bonus for 2, and lowered drone bandwidth across the board). You don't make ISK by being able to tank a mission 4 times over. You make ISK by blowing up little red crosses, and if the DPS of your boat is lowered, then you make less ISK than before.
I am quite certain that CCP will tone down the over-tanking capabilities of the Marauder. I just want them at the same time to restore some of that last damage capabilities. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6419
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Posted - 2013.11.26 03:06:00 -
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You're still missing my point about tank and DPS. If your Marauder is overtanked, pull off tank mods and put on damage mods. There you go, more DPS. Obviously for shield marauders instead of more damage mods (although you can pull off the DC2) this means more target painters/webs. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17530
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Posted - 2013.11.26 03:06:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:I think you miss the point. Marauders pre-Rubicon could easily tank L4's. That is a given point.
Post-Rubicon, they way way overtank missions, but they also have lost DPS (web bonus for 2, and lowered drone bandwidth across the board). GǪbut as luck would have it, EVE lets you use that overtank capability to scale back to a much more reasonable tank (most marauders can do a two- or maybe three-slot undersized tank and still get by) and dedicate every other slot on the ship to the business of delivering damage. End result: a freaking bleepton of damage.
Quote:I am quite certain that CCP will tone down the over-tanking capabilities of the Marauder. What makes you say that? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
799
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Posted - 2013.11.26 03:06:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Zurin Arctus wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Are you going to give back some of the stuff you stripped from the Paladin / Kronos?
Clearly, when one of your CSM members starts braying about the tanking capabilities in Level 4's as way OP, before the 1st day was done (clearly he had the blog ready beforehand), that is your opportunity to say "well, if one member of the CSM says they are OP, they must be nerfed".
And frankly, he is correct, they are a joke in Level IV's, at least from a tanking perspective, but they desperately need DPS. So when you do yet ANOTHER "balance", as you like to call it, at least give them a DPS boost or web bonuses back, or something. Wait, wait. You're arguing that their tanking bonus makes them "OP" in level 4 missions, and also that their DPS is insufficient? Can't be too OP in missions - which are all about quick clears - if they have such abysmal DPS, hmm? Frankly, though, I don't really care what you think of the bastion module's implications for godawful, neglected, unrewarding PvE content that almost no sentient creature in New Eden will voluntarily endure. Does it really matter? Did Marauders face significant risk from the rats in level 4 missions before these changes? (The answer to this last rhetorical question is "Not if they had remembered to fit a tank.") I don't think it's wise to rush to a decision on balance based on something like this - especially if it's not negatively affecting anyone besides those poor, beleaguered high sec rats. I think you miss the point. Marauders pre-Rubicon could easily tank L4's. That is a given point. Post-Rubicon, they way way overtank missions, but they also have lost DPS (web bonus for 2, and lowered drone bandwidth across the board). You don't make ISK by being able to tank a mission 4 times over. You make ISK by blowing up little red crosses, and if the DPS of your boat is lowered, then you make less ISK than before. I am quite certain that CCP will tone down the over-tanking capabilities of the Marauder. I just want them at the same time to restore some of that last damage capabilities. Why are you fitting marauders that overtank missions? If you have a bastion mod fitted, and still have your pre-rubicon tank fit, the issue isn't the changes to the ship.
I have more damage and more range than prior. I'm satisfied with the change. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1641
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Posted - 2013.11.26 03:08:00 -
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Your first mistake is assuming that Ripard Teg knows what he's talking about.
The Bastion module and concept is one of the best things they have put out in recent years, and I for one sincerely hope they continue with this kind of innovation. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Garandras
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
63
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Posted - 2013.11.26 03:10:00 -
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to me this looks like a /cry
becuase I got my Maruader fit off teh internetz before the patch.. now i dont know what to do with myself |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1513
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Posted - 2013.11.26 03:13:00 -
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ISD Suvetar wrote:Hi,
I'd like to apologize for this thread being locked.
I have re-opened it, but I would ask that people remain constructive in their comments.
Thank you.
Interesting so which direction is ships and modules or features and ideas discussion? There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1513
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Posted - 2013.11.26 03:13:00 -
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I am pretty happy with the ship now. No real complaints. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Shadow Love
Dirt Diggers Inc
83
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Posted - 2013.11.26 03:25:00 -
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I didn't realize my Vargur desperately needed dps.
Also, to whoever linked this -> http://jestertrek.blogspot.ca/2013/11/shake-your-money-maker.html
... do people really think it's necessary to dual box mauraders and use a third (wat) account to buzz around in an interceptor warping them to and from missions? Seriously, who does stuff like this? I am a PVE carebear so I've met a ton of mission runners, not gonna lie. I have never encountered one that even used an alt (because most don't need to), much less three accounts for lvl 4 mission running.
Fairly certain at that point, and with those resources and dedication to the game, most players would move to greener (nuller) pastures. |
Ivan Krividus
Straightedge and Compass Industrial
26
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Posted - 2013.11.26 03:28:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Are you going to give back some of the stuff you stripped from the Paladin / Kronos?
Clearly, when one of your CSM members starts braying about the tanking capabilities in Level 4's as way OP, before the 1st day was done (clearly he had the blog ready beforehand), that is your opportunity to say "well, if one member of the CSM says they are OP, they must be nerfed".
And frankly, he is correct, they are a joke in Level IV's, at least from a tanking perspective, but they desperately need DPS. So when you do yet ANOTHER "balance", as you like to call it, at least give them a DPS boost or web bonuses back, or something. and the old fleet phoon did 1450 DPS |
ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
1563
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Posted - 2013.11.26 03:31:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Zurin Arctus wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Are you going to give back some of the stuff you stripped from the Paladin / Kronos?
Clearly, when one of your CSM members starts braying about the tanking capabilities in Level 4's as way OP, before the 1st day was done (clearly he had the blog ready beforehand), that is your opportunity to say "well, if one member of the CSM says they are OP, they must be nerfed".
And frankly, he is correct, they are a joke in Level IV's, at least from a tanking perspective, but they desperately need DPS. So when you do yet ANOTHER "balance", as you like to call it, at least give them a DPS boost or web bonuses back, or something. Wait, wait. You're arguing that their tanking bonus makes them "OP" in level 4 missions, and also that their DPS is insufficient? Can't be too OP in missions - which are all about quick clears - if they have such abysmal DPS, hmm? Frankly, though, I don't really care what you think of the bastion module's implications for godawful, neglected, unrewarding PvE content that almost no sentient creature in New Eden will voluntarily endure. Does it really matter? Did Marauders face significant risk from the rats in level 4 missions before these changes? (The answer to this last rhetorical question is "Not if they had remembered to fit a tank.") I don't think it's wise to rush to a decision on balance based on something like this - especially if it's not negatively affecting anyone besides those poor, beleaguered high sec rats. I think you miss the point. Marauders pre-Rubicon could easily tank L4's. That is a given point. Post-Rubicon, they way way overtank missions, but they also have lost DPS (web bonus for 2, and lowered drone bandwidth across the board). You don't make ISK by being able to tank a mission 4 times over. You make ISK by blowing up little red crosses, and if the DPS of your boat is lowered, then you make less ISK than before. I am quite certain that CCP will tone down the over-tanking capabilities of the Marauder. I just want them at the same time to restore some of that last damage capabilities. Sounds like you haven't changed your fit to adapt to the Bastion Modules inncreased tanking bonuses. You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument! |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1537
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Posted - 2013.11.26 03:34:00 -
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Shadow Love wrote:I didn't realize my Vargur desperately needed dps. Also, to whoever linked this -> http://jestertrek.blogspot.ca/2013/11/shake-your-money-maker.html... do people really think it's necessary to dual box mauraders and use a third (wat) account to buzz around in an interceptor warping them to and from missions? Seriously, who does stuff like this? I am a PVE carebear so I've met a ton of mission runners, not gonna lie. I have never encountered one that even used an alt (because most don't need to), much less three accounts for lvl 4 mission running. Fairly certain at that point, and with those resources and dedication to the game, most players would move to greener (nuller) pastures.
Actually, you would be surprised. I have one account active, so naturally Jester's tactics are useless for me. But that being said, I know of a lot more than a few high sec players that do use at least 2 accounts when running missions.
Just because a high sec player is REALLY motivated, does not mean he will go to null sec. Many people hate null sec, for any of a myriad of reasons, and won't go there. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
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