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KillaBabe
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Posted - 2006.02.26 11:30:00 -
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Edited by: KillaBabe on 26/02/2006 11:32:29 After 3 days doing petitions and tryin to make gm's look more carefully my problem, at last i got "official" confirmation that derived modifications are bugged or at least in a serious mess.
i came at amarr space with caldari standing at 7,61 I start doing amarr cosmos missions and after 14 faction missions that i did at the end of each agent storyline my caldari standing is still 7,61 even if at the show transactions derived modifications tab of caldari all 14 positive modifications are shown normally. The same happens with mordus legion,khanid,and some other factions.
At the begining i was thinking it was only me that had this weird problem but it seems that many folks face it as days goes by.
The worst thing is that gm's cannot see that from their logs,and further explanation needed so they can finally see and realize the problem.
So to all the mission runners out there that are after faction standings:Watch closer your derived modifications.Write down ur standings before each new faction mission u do.
I am hoping is not a general disease thought and that is happening to a few unlucky guys out there like me. i am expecting a responce from someone.A dev gm or whatever.how this will be fixed and if i will get my correct standings ever. This issue really mess my curent goals and gameplay.
Thanks.
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2006.02.26 11:43:00 -
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There is other strange things going on as well. Last night when I logged off, I had a minmatar faction standing of 9.34 (with skills applied), when I logged on today it was at 9.22 :/
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mrg29
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Posted - 2006.02.26 11:47:00 -
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Edited by: mrg29 on 26/02/2006 11:46:52 i raised 3 petitions on same thing just before xmas. was basically told nothing is wrong and gave up.
i'm running gallente missions atm and although the derived standing boost to minmatar faction does show in the faction info if u double click in the standings tab, the actual standing itself does not change.
i provided before and after figures each time i did a storyline mission but they were adamant nothing is wrong because the % boost is showed in your standings screen.
the fact that boost is not actually being applied to your standings total was conveniently ignored. -
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2006.02.26 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: mrg29 Edited by: mrg29 on 26/02/2006 11:46:52 i raised 3 petitions on same thing just before xmas. was basically told nothing is wrong and gave up.
i'm running gallente missions atm and although the derived standing boost to minmatar faction does show in the faction info if u double click in the standings tab, the actual standing itself does not change.
i provided before and after figures each time i did a storyline mission but they were adamant nothing is wrong because the % boost is showed in your standings screen.
the fact that boost is not actually being applied to your standings total was conveniently ignored.
derrived for the negative work as they should, my ammatar and amarr standing getting banged up quite bad :p
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RadioBirdman
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Posted - 2006.02.26 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: RadioBirdman on 26/02/2006 12:31:30 It is sth wrong definetely with the formula but noone yet can specify exactly what. i got up my caldari standings to 7,61 by doin all the caldari cosmos agents. During that time my derived amarr faction standing workin fine. After i finish caldari cosmos i moved to amarr cosmos.There strangely my caldari derived after 14 faction missions did not move from 7,61.
i cannot say which combination of game mechanics lead to that problem.it's too complicated and only someone from inside can really say what is happening.
Hoping that someone workin on it.
Sry alter post by mistake killababe
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Dyntheos
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Posted - 2006.03.01 01:38:00 -
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I had the same problem, only with the Caldari COSMOS and the derived Amarr standings.
Filed a petition (in december), convinced them that this was indeed a bug and they reported it.
Unfortunately, there is no mention in the Blood patch notes that this is being fixed.
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Crayathan
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Posted - 2006.03.01 13:23:00 -
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Come on devs is this a "bug" or a "feature"?
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2006.03.03 01:56:00 -
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Zrakor, please show us some love, really want to know about this issue, and if it get sorted soon, or if there is any stealth nerf going on.
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Rocket Revenger
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Posted - 2006.03.03 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
There is other strange things going on as well. Last night when I logged off, I had a minmatar faction standing of 9.34 (with skills applied), when I logged on today it was at 9.22 :/
maybe the mission gnomes log on your account at night while you sleep and run amarr navy missions.
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KillaBabe
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Posted - 2006.03.07 10:19:00 -
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Unfortunately according to my experience things like that takes to long to be solved.Simple bugs like agents ojectives that do not drop where they supposed to,took maybe 2 or more months to be fixed. Imagine how long this standings mess needs to be solved. This excellent and so complicated game it's normal to have so many bugs. And from all these bugs some got priority some left behind. What is not normal is that we cannot have an official answer from someone of wth finally is goin on. Chatin all these days and tryin to find an answer,i realize that ppl are so confused about standings and derived modifications at most. Was tryin to explain that i got no caldari gain by doin amarr faction missions and got answers like: "man u doin amarr missions and u expect caldari standings gain?" "hey bro if u want caldari standings gain go work for the state navy" "which corp u workin for?are u sure that this corp is caldari friendly?" ...and many others.... The thing is that those answers are not came from miners,builders or researchers but from pro mission runners,from guys that they r doin lvl4's before even i was able to fly a tristan..That makes me worry even more cause I realize that if 80% of the mission runners do not understand how derived mods workin then they cannot support this thread cause they dunno if and when their standing are in a mess. I not blame anyone thought.The complexity of the game and the lack of documentation causes problems like that.I am also a bit confused in many other aspects of the game.And after all there are few mission runners that care about faction standings.They just do missions for a navy collecting lp's for a faction ship or a +5 implant etc etc. Cosmos missions was fun.I had great time good rewards,eye candy and i definetely will say to people to try them. Cosmos missions are very tight connected with faction standings.That's why in each agentĘs mission storyline u got 1 faction mission and good boost to your standing,when from normal missions u need about 15 to get a faction one. Pro cosmos runners beyond all the above,a very important reason they do those missions is the gate agents.Gate agents is the cherry on top,the sweet reward, after hard work on your faction standings by doin all the other cosmos agents and hellalot normal missions to reach the 9,2+ or so faction standing u need to start talk to them. So i think that for all the above and for many many other reasons derived modifications are a very important part of the game and must urgently be fixed asap. It's nice to post to forums tell your problems and many times we all find solutions here from ppl that are kind enough to post their experience and help us all.Forums in Eve are so so important.We all know that.. It's sad thought that for problems like that we cannot have a place to post or whatever sth that get us an official responce of what is goin on. I do not want an autofix to my standings problem.I can wait as long as needed to be fixed.But will be ever fixed?Is it a bug or sth that happens to few of us? It seems that noone want or can to answer this simple question. I guess there are so many other more important issues so noone bother with this,even if I think that is high priority,even if that all I ask for, is just a comment from an insider.
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Crayathan
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Posted - 2006.03.07 13:28:00 -
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Make sure to post you bug reports on this, as its down as an unconfirmed issue
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The Snowman
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Posted - 2006.03.07 14:21:00 -
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The opposite is true for a friend of mine!...
here I am working my ass off on a level two agent for weeks to get a level 3 agent available and my friend, who doesnt have any better social skills with than me goes from doing level 1 missions to level two AND having level 3 agents available after just 3 days!!!...
I asked him to look at his derived mods and he's getting +13% modifications on story line missions that I hardly got 1.5% for!
we compared both our characters and just dont understand it, not that HE is complaining, nor would he.. but something is DEFINATLY up! :(
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Ravenal
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Posted - 2006.03.07 18:54:00 -
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check info for amarr
Amarr like Caldari for 5.00
which means that doing faction missions for amarr cant get you higher standings than 5 from caldari...
see.. nothing wrong . -Fate is what you make of it. -Make your own fate using T2 items produced by The Fated
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Moadyb
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Posted - 2006.03.07 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dyntheos I had the same problem, only with the Caldari COSMOS and the derived Amarr standings.
Filed a petition (in december), convinced them that this was indeed a bug and they reported it.
Unfortunately, there is no mention in the Blood patch notes that this is being fixed.
Same thing here, after running through ALL caldari COSMOS agents, my Amarr standings did not move one inch. Petitioned it, waited a few WEEKS for a reply, however, I was unable to convince the GM that there is a problem and was told to buzz off
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2006.03.07 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ravenal check info for amarr
Amarr like Caldari for 5.00
which means that doing faction missions for amarr cant get you higher standings than 5 from caldari...
see.. nothing wrong
Thats totaly wrong...
I have a SOE standing of 8.55 JOVE standig of 6.27. I do mostly Minmatar and Gallente missions. Please explain that then? Those values is a pointer about how much gain and penality you get from deviration afaik.
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Zrakor
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Posted - 2006.03.07 20:15:00 -
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I'll have someone from Q/A take a good look at this. If a bug is found it will be fixed as soon as programmer time is available.
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2006.03.07 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Zrakor I'll have someone from Q/A take a good look at this. If a bug is found it will be fixed as soon as programmer time is available.
Thanks, that would be very nice. The penality seem to work as it should, just dont gain any to gallente when I do mini or other way around.
Also is the standing hits in missions where you attack faction ships intended? A 0.8 standing penality is a bit harsh when the mission take a long time (as some level 4's tend to do) and you start pile up on 0.8 standing hits.
I dont mind penalities but, if it gets to much of it, its real hard to balance up and repair them with the additional standing hits from ship kills.
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KillaBabe
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Posted - 2006.03.07 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ravenal check info for amarr
Amarr like Caldari for 5.00
which means that doing faction missions for amarr cant get you higher standings than 5 from caldari...
see.. nothing wrong
This is not make sense. While i was stuck at 7,61 with caldari the derived modifications from caldari state cause i did amarr faction missions are shown at my show transactions tab.20+ transactions and rising as time goes by...The problem is that it is not added to my actuall standing.For example for the X amarr faction mission i got 8,2 standing boost at my amarr standing and 4,2 exactly the half value from caldari.If the formula u describe is correct,then why the modification is shown?And anyway the fact that amarr likes caldari for 5.00 determines with a formula that i can't decribe exactly,how much boost i will take from amarr if i do sth good for caldari.Not that they will stop boostin me after a point.When i do a mission for amarr caldari also is happy.And the opossite of course.If i do 1013 misions (faction)for amarr caldari will be happy 1013 times also.it's simple and clear. Also if ur point is correct and simply i lack this info then why the gm's after i manage to persuade them i am right told me that sth is wrong but they dunno what and i must do a bug report?They could simply told me this thing u say..it will be so easy and simple... And by the way i cannot be sure how the formula is workin.Even if it does not make any sense to me u maybe right.So will u tell me plz where u got this information?
Thanks
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Ravenal
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Posted - 2006.03.07 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
Originally by: Ravenal check info for amarr
Amarr like Caldari for 5.00
which means that doing faction missions for amarr cant get you higher standings than 5 from caldari...
see.. nothing wrong
Thats totaly wrong...
I have a SOE standing of 8.55 JOVE standig of 6.27. I do mostly Minmatar and Gallente missions. Please explain that then? Those values is a pointer about how much gain and penality you get from deviration afaik.
actually its not wrong "anymore"...
think it was exodus.. or even the patch before that one that "fixed" it... . -Fate is what you make of it. -Make your own fate using T2 items produced by The Fated
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Ravenal
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Posted - 2006.03.07 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: KillaBabe
And by the way i cannot be sure how the formula is workin.Even if it does not make any sense to me u maybe right.So will u tell me plz where u got this information?
have to admit its more like learning by example :/ - but i was sure i had that in text somewhere as well.
kinda makes sense to me really - back in the old days standings went through the roof just because you killed stuff or bribed your way up... or you did instamissions (i think i wrote the first actual agent guide way back then)
anyway.. standings were insane - then came the patch where they cut your current standings in half... that was supposed to add decaying standings as well... and did for a while. Back then you could go and take out a few convoys and be back at 0.0 standing with the convoy owners in two weeks or so...
anyway... i soon noticed that i stopped getting jove standing for doing minmatar missions for example, even though they are listed as "liked by" by minmatar - asking around and comparing notes led us to the conclusion that you couldnt get more than 2.5 derived standing for jove from minmatar.. because thats as much as they like them. (jove like minmatar and minmatar like them back for 2.5 - some factions like other factions more than they are liked back.. not sure how it goes there, "guessing" its the "target" factions likeness for the faction you are working for that counts)...
but anyhows, i could be talking out of my arse, but this is the assumption ive been leaning on for quite some time - and if that aint true somebody owes me some big fat standing boost.
. -Fate is what you make of it. -Make your own fate using T2 items produced by The Fated
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2006.03.07 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ravenal
Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
Originally by: Ravenal check info for amarr
Amarr like Caldari for 5.00
which means that doing faction missions for amarr cant get you higher standings than 5 from caldari...
see.. nothing wrong
Thats totaly wrong...
I have a SOE standing of 8.55 JOVE standig of 6.27. I do mostly Minmatar and Gallente missions. Please explain that then? Those values is a pointer about how much gain and penality you get from deviration afaik.
actually its not wrong "anymore"...
think it was exodus.. or even the patch before that one that "fixed" it...
It worked for me after exodus, and if you look above Zrakor said they are looking into it.... hence, its not RIGHT....
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2006.03.07 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ravenal have to admit its more like learning by example :/ - but i was sure i had that in text somewhere as well.
kinda makes sense to me really - back in the old days standings went through the roof just because you killed stuff or bribed your way up... or you did instamissions (i think i wrote the first actual agent guide way back then)
You gained standing from killing things, yes, up to a point. And you could bribe yes, that was taken out majority because of the concorde agents I believe.
Originally by: Ravenal
anyway.. standings were insane - then came the patch where they cut your current standings in half... that was supposed to add decaying standings as well... and did for a while. Back then you could go and take out a few convoys and be back at 0.0 standing with the convoy owners in two weeks or so...
It was the security standing that was cut in half if I recall correct, I didnt lose any of my other standing back then as I can remember. They didnt want any "god like" players with 10 security standing that some had reached (rounded up). It was to easy to gain security from bribes and rats. Also why it was changed to gain sec standing from killing rats to each 15 min or so, rather than for each rat you blow up. As it is now you need bigger and bigger rats to get any standing at all after you reach one point. But this have nothing to do with standings to NPC corp's
As for the decay. When you have a very high standing, the introduced decay did a major impact on your standings. There was no way in hell you could regain and keep that standing by run agents for multiple factions before they decayed again next week, it was madness to introduce it in the first place, it was maybe with good intentions, but it went titts up and got removed. If i recall right they did give people back standing back then to patch up a lot of angry players ;-)
Originally by: Ravenal
anyway... i soon noticed that i stopped getting jove standing for doing minmatar missions for example, even though they are listed as "liked by" by minmatar - asking around and comparing notes led us to the conclusion that you couldnt get more than 2.5 derived standing for jove from minmatar.. because thats as much as they like them. (jove like minmatar and minmatar like them back for 2.5 - some factions like other factions more than they are liked back.. not sure how it goes there, "guessing" its the "target" factions likeness for the faction you are working for that counts)...
Wrong, because that dont explain my SOE standing of 8.55 and Jove standing of 6.27. If you couldnt get any more derived, it wouldnt make sense that you would see derived standings gain under transactions. It would just stop be listed, as with security standings increase from killing rats. There is something broken, not fixed.
Originally by: Ravenal
but anyhows, i could be talking out of my arse, but this is the assumption ive been leaning on for quite some time - and if that aint true somebody owes me some big fat standing boost.
They owes me the same big fat standing after completed most of the mini and gallente cosmos missions.
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Ravenal
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Posted - 2006.03.08 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
You gained standing from killing things, yes, up to a point. And you could bribe yes, that was taken out majority because of the concorde agents I believe.
yeah, the ability to bribe up your sec status was a bit strange
Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
It was the security standing that was cut in half if I recall correct, I didnt lose any of my other standing back then as I can remember. They didnt want any "god like" players with 10 security standing that some had reached (rounded up). It was to easy to gain security from bribes and rats. Also why it was changed to gain sec standing from killing rats to each 15 min or so, rather than for each rat you blow up. As it is now you need bigger and bigger rats to get any standing at all after you reach one point. But this have nothing to do with standings to NPC corp's
patch notes 1352: All players standings have been halved over the board. However, if you had access to a level 3 or 2 agent in the old system, then you will automatically receive enough personal standing to him to be able to retain this agents services. If you don't remember what agent(s) this was, then check your standings table in your Character Sheet, you will see what agents you have a good standing towards there.
npc corp standing as well... remember i didnt have enough standing to do missions for my lvl 3 republic security services agent in pator...
the main reason the standing gain from rats was cut down to 15 minutes was really database load, it was somewhere close to a whopping 20% of the whole database load before those changes iirc... but yes... the standing gain was a reason too.
and yes.. 100% on the decaying standings... imo they "could" still work but with ALOT less increments, 0.001% or something per week... (im not suggesting it, but the main problem with their initial implementation was too big a increment for the players to deal with)
Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
Wrong, because that dont explain my SOE standing of 8.55 and Jove standing of 6.27. If you couldnt get any more derived, it wouldnt make sense that you would see derived standings gain under transactions. It would just stop be listed, as with security standings increase from killing rats. There is something broken, not fixed.
it can yes... have you paid any attention lately if that standing has increased or has it stayed the same for a long time? Even though you are getting derived modifications... they would only then be up to that "liked by" standing from the faction you are working for...
oh.. i just remembered where i read about this stuff.. trying to locate text :)
found some... combination of this: Security Status gains for NPC Pirate hunting have been increased. In Castor your sec status is altered based on the 'worst' pirate you destroyed in any 10 minute period. Your sec status will not raise past a maximum amount for each difficulty of pirate. (Also: See the new 'security status' tab in the Char Sheet).
and this: There was a bug with agents lowering the standing of players. Agents have a cap to how much standing they will give to a player, which is based on their level. If a player had more standing than the agents cap, it lowered down to the cap. This has been fixed. Note: there are still missions out there that will lower standing, even security status, this is by design. If you are using an agent in a pirate corporation he may give you these missions from time to time. (this is ancient though)
the first item was implemented AFTER the "cut in half" for standings which was during the second highest mission wave in eve as far as i know. There were some hitches even after the halfing of standings, mining missions were too easy (instamissions with lots of cash) and gave lots of people lots of standings...
...did that bring a bit more light on the subject?
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Ruffio Sepico
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Posted - 2006.03.08 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ravenal it can yes... have you paid any attention lately if that standing has increased or has it stayed the same for a long time? Even though you are getting derived modifications... they would only then be up to that "liked by" standing from the faction you are working for...
This started to happen sometime after patch before the blood patch. There is also members of my corp, relative new players that do missions and dont get any deviration on important missions either, and this is guys with a very low standing. Had both corp members and other friends playing EVE bug reported this. Its broken.. need fix, not other way around. When they fix it, lets sue for standing increase, lol ;-)
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KillaBabe
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Posted - 2006.03.08 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Moadyb
Originally by: Dyntheos I had the same problem, only with the Caldari COSMOS and the derived Amarr standings.
Filed a petition (in december), convinced them that this was indeed a bug and they reported it.
Unfortunately, there is no mention in the Blood patch notes that this is being fixed.
Same thing here, after running through ALL caldari COSMOS agents, my Amarr standings did not move one inch. Petitioned it, waited a few WEEKS for a reply, however, I was unable to convince the GM that there is a problem and was told to buzz off
The only way to make them see is to provide before and after values.I did the first petition when i had standing 7,61 with the state.I keep the petition open.Did 5 more missions and reply to them to check again my standing after those 5 records in my log.So they check and they see that my standing was again 7,61.This way only they can see sth goin wrong cause their logs do not help them.
The fact that they looking at it it's enough for me to chill down.Let's wait and hopefull we will found out one day what cause this mess.
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Atlanton Marcus
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Posted - 2006.03.08 09:44:00 -
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Edited by: Atlanton Marcus on 08/03/2006 09:49:45 I have done probably 15 lvl 1 and 2 missions for the Corporate Space Police and my standing is still at a low .62 (1.37 with connections 2)
Is this normal or is this the bug you are talking about?
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Crayathan
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Posted - 2006.03.08 09:53:00 -
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This is more about derived modifications..
In my case
I had 8.55 standing with gallente faction, I did 4 SOE cosmos missions which in total gave me about 7% derived modification on my gallente standing. But it didn't.
Derived is where you get a bonus standing to other factions connected in a good way with the ones you got the inital important mission boost for.
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KillaBabe
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Posted - 2006.03.08 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Atlanton Marcus Edited by: Atlanton Marcus on 08/03/2006 09:49:45 I have done probably 15 lvl 1 and 2 missions for the Corporate Space Police and my standing is still at a low .62 (1.37 with connections 2)
Is this normal or is this the bug you are talking about?
As Crayathan said we discuss here mostly for faction missions and derived modifications. The ones u r doing are normal missions for a corporation. In any case it will be wise to check your standing change with the corporation u working for, every time u finish a mission.Right click at the corporation tab at your standings and show transactions.See there if u got a gain percentage and check if this added to your corporation standing. This way u can find out yourshelf if things are runnin smoothly or not.
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Xhalen Toth
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Posted - 2006.03.08 10:30:00 -
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It seems the problem lies with the COSMOS missions applying the approriate increases, I recently completed two important missions for the Caldari(KK) and received the appropriate increases to all applicable factions.
Perhaps the distinction between the two may be causing some people to say it is working properly while others are saying it is not.
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Ravenal
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Posted - 2006.03.08 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Atlanton Marcus Edited by: Atlanton Marcus on 08/03/2006 09:49:45 I have done probably 15 lvl 1 and 2 missions for the Corporate Space Police and my standing is still at a low .62 (1.37 with connections 2)
Is this normal or is this the bug you are talking about?
normal
the bug we are trying to sort out is the derived standing modification to "friend" factions of the faction you are working for when you do storyline missions.
. -Fate is what you make of it. -Make your own fate using T2 items produced by The Fated
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