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Streetrip
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Posted - 2006.03.01 02:57:00 -
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What if cruisers had frig sized sig radius? would it really make that much of a difference besides making cruisers more effective? It would hardly take away from a frigs tackling role at all and would make them more survivable thats for sure. They'd be alot more suited towards their additional firepower/anti-frig roles then if they weren't sniped so damn fast!
I dont see any clear problems so far at all. You just get a more powerful frig at the price of sluggishness
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Cukogra
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Posted - 2006.03.01 03:38:00 -
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Honestly, what they should do is beef up destroyers. Give an armor/shield bonus or something. Cruiser like sig, 8 guns, and a decent speed (not great, but decent).
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Benglada
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Posted - 2006.03.01 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: Streetrip What if cruisers had frig sized sig radius? would it really make that much of a difference besides making cruisers more effective? It would hardly take away from a frigs tackling role at all and would make them more survivable thats for sure. They'd be alot more suited towards their additional firepower/anti-frig roles then if they weren't sniped so damn fast!
I dont see any clear problems so far at all. You just get a more powerful frig at the price of sluggishness
We have one, called an ASSUALT FRIGATE. thanks. ---------------------------
Originally by: Wrangler Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote..
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.03.01 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Streetrip What if battleships had frig sized sig radius? would it really make that much of a difference besides making battleships more effective? It would hardly take away from a frigs tackling role at all and would make them more survivable thats for sure. They'd be alot more suited towards their additional firepower/anti-frig roles then if they weren't sniped so damn fast!
I dont see any clear problems so far at all. You just get a more powerful frig at the price of sluggishness
i corrected it for you
spot the error and you'll notice whats wrong with your post aswell
Originally by: Oveur ****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.01 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Benglada
Originally by: Streetrip What if cruisers had frig sized sig radius? would it really make that much of a difference besides making cruisers more effective? It would hardly take away from a frigs tackling role at all and would make them more survivable thats for sure. They'd be alot more suited towards their additional firepower/anti-frig roles then if they weren't sniped so damn fast!
I dont see any clear problems so far at all. You just get a more powerful frig at the price of sluggishness
We have one, called an ASSUALT FRIGATE. thanks.
Except assault frigates suck ass.
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Sin Angel
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Posted - 2006.03.01 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: Zysco
Originally by: Benglada
Originally by: Streetrip What if cruisers had frig sized sig radius? would it really make that much of a difference besides making cruisers more effective? It would hardly take away from a frigs tackling role at all and would make them more survivable thats for sure. They'd be alot more suited towards their additional firepower/anti-frig roles then if they weren't sniped so damn fast!
I dont see any clear problems so far at all. You just get a more powerful frig at the price of sluggishness
We have one, called an ASSUALT FRIGATE. thanks.
Except assault frigates suck ass.
Only if your a poor pilot, personally i find them very effective in the correct role
-Sin
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2006.03.01 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: Zysco
Originally by: Benglada
Originally by: Streetrip What if cruisers had frig sized sig radius? would it really make that much of a difference besides making cruisers more effective? It would hardly take away from a frigs tackling role at all and would make them more survivable thats for sure. They'd be alot more suited towards their additional firepower/anti-frig roles then if they weren't sniped so damn fast!
I dont see any clear problems so far at all. You just get a more powerful frig at the price of sluggishness
We have one, called an ASSUALT FRIGATE. thanks.
Except assault frigates suck ass.
You have got to be ****ting me right?
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Valea Silpha
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Posted - 2006.03.01 04:21:00 -
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Assault frigs are solid.
IMHO cruisers are more versatile even once you've set them up, since they have more mods, bigger cargo holds and drone bays, but assault frigs perform their roles well, which is to beef up fast gangs, and are the perfect vehicle to go after a torp raven in.
The thing is that with a decent set-up a AF can tank as well as if not better thans a cruiser since they are more manouverable and such, and have those nice resists.
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2006.03.01 05:13:00 -
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Sig radius effects are to extreme for that to be viable.
Think about it for a moment. How is a ship with basically no armour, no kit, and no firepower able to seriously threaten heavily armed and armoured Battleships, besides by being all but unhitable to them?
Harry Voyager
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.03.01 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sin Angel
Originally by: Zysco
Originally by: Benglada
Originally by: Streetrip What if cruisers had frig sized sig radius? would it really make that much of a difference besides making cruisers more effective? It would hardly take away from a frigs tackling role at all and would make them more survivable thats for sure. They'd be alot more suited towards their additional firepower/anti-frig roles then if they weren't sniped so damn fast!
I dont see any clear problems so far at all. You just get a more powerful frig at the price of sluggishness
We have one, called an ASSUALT FRIGATE. thanks.
Except assault frigates suck ass.
Only if your a poor pilot, personally i find them very effective in the correct role
-Sin
AF's suck, they always have. Only the dim fail to realize you can do the same thing AF's do in other ships. Other much cheaper ships. _ __
WE get EVERRYYWHHHEERREEEE!!1 - Imaran |
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Dust Angel
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Posted - 2006.03.01 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Sin Angel
Originally by: Zysco
Originally by: Benglada
Originally by: Streetrip What if cruisers had frig sized sig radius? would it really make that much of a difference besides making cruisers more effective? It would hardly take away from a frigs tackling role at all and would make them more survivable thats for sure. They'd be alot more suited towards their additional firepower/anti-frig roles then if they weren't sniped so damn fast!
I dont see any clear problems so far at all. You just get a more powerful frig at the price of sluggishness
We have one, called an ASSUALT FRIGATE. thanks.
Except assault frigates suck ass.
Only if your a poor pilot, personally i find them very effective in the correct role
-Sin
AF's suck, they always have. Only the dim fail to realize you can do the same thing AF's do in other ships. Other much cheaper ships.
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.01 07:04:00 -
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Edited by: Zysco on 01/03/2006 07:13:32 Edited by: Zysco on 01/03/2006 07:08:05
Originally by: Aeaus
Originally by: Zysco
Originally by: Benglada
Originally by: Streetrip What if cruisers had frig sized sig radius? would it really make that much of a difference besides making cruisers more effective? It would hardly take away from a frigs tackling role at all and would make them more survivable thats for sure. They'd be alot more suited towards their additional firepower/anti-frig roles then if they weren't sniped so damn fast!
I dont see any clear problems so far at all. You just get a more powerful frig at the price of sluggishness
We have one, called an ASSUALT FRIGATE. thanks.
Except assault frigates suck ass.
You have got to be ****ting me right?
The only assault frigate that doesnt completely blow is the ishkur. The wolf is also decent, but only if in auto/plate setup. Vengeance, retribution, and jaguar are completely worthless. Hawk is terrible, harpy and enyo pretty bad. And I mean for pvp, as they do own for NPCing. Id much rather fight an assault frigate than an inty 99% of the time when I'm in an inty myself. Hell I love fighting them, pretty much guaranteed some decent t2 loot, and they sure do pop fast.
Originally by: Meridius
AF's suck, they always have. Only the dim fail to realize you can do the same thing AF's do in other ships. Other much cheaper ships.
bing bing bing we have a winner.
You can kill most AFs in a kestral.
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Oro Masut
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Posted - 2006.03.01 07:12:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Sin Angel
Originally by: Zysco
Originally by: Benglada
Originally by: Streetrip What if cruisers had frig sized sig radius? would it really make that much of a difference besides making cruisers more effective? It would hardly take away from a frigs tackling role at all and would make them more survivable thats for sure. They'd be alot more suited towards their additional firepower/anti-frig roles then if they weren't sniped so damn fast!
I dont see any clear problems so far at all. You just get a more powerful frig at the price of sluggishness
We have one, called an ASSUALT FRIGATE. thanks.
Except assault frigates suck ass.
Only if your a poor pilot, personally i find them very effective in the correct role
-Sin
AF's suck, they always have. Only the dim fail to realize you can do the same thing AF's do in other ships. Other much cheaper ships.
What you are saying is : AFs pricing sux....only the dim fails to realize that a things usefulness should not be confused with its obtainability
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.01 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Oro Masut
What you are saying is : AFs pricing sux....only the dim fails to realize that a things usefulness should not be confused with its obtainability
If AFs were free I still probably wouldnt fly them.
New vid: "we're back" |
Reatu Krentor
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Posted - 2006.03.01 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: Zysco Edited by: Zysco on 01/03/2006 07:08:05
Originally by: Aeaus
Originally by: Zysco
Originally by: Benglada
Originally by: Streetrip ...
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The only assault frigate that doesnt completely blow is the ishkur. The wolf is also decent, but only if in auto/plate setup. And I mean for pvp, as they do own for NPCing. Id much rather fight an assault frigate than an inty 99% of the time when I'm in an inty myself. Hell I love fighting them, pretty much guaranteed some decent t2 loot, and they sure do pop fast.
Originally by: Meridius
AF's suck, they always have. Only the dim fail to realize you can do the same thing AF's do in other ships. Other much cheaper ships.
bing bing bing we have a winner.
Like meridius said AF's just don't perform their role well enough, wolf for example does about 10% more damage than a claw, not nearly enough for the drop in speed/agility imo. Interceptors are supposed to be tackling but their damage is barely below the assault(they are all about attacking and tanking), a solution could be to give inties tackling bonuses(stuff like range boost and if warp scramblers would work differently even strength boosts) and give the AF it's 4th bonus (maybe one an extra damage bonus the other more tanking) ------------------------------------------ The ammatar are not the enemy, they are the smoke and mirrors of the amarr. |
Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.03.01 07:17:00 -
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Ahum..... Reducing a Cruisers sig radius to frig size would make them allmost immune to large turrets. What a good idea ? ...
*ponders* I know whats happening here , the WoW lot have finally got enough Sp to fly a cruiser affectively and would like it to be allmost as imprenetrable as a Frig.... hmmm interesting. In that case I forward this notion on the ground that in 6 months time the Bs should have its sig radius reduced when they get into that
Alliaanna
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Oro Masut
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Posted - 2006.03.01 07:32:00 -
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Ok, for something constructive on this topic....
...sig radius are ok as they are, except maybe for the Destroyer...but that ship needs some love anyways. Some modules, that allow a reduction in Sig radius on the other hand, might be interesting to experiment with.
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Beowulf Scheafer
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Posted - 2006.03.01 08:54:00 -
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can i have a tron going 300 base then here? would it make so much a difference i can go 500 or 1500m/s in it? oh, can i have my neutron dmgmod on an electron blaster with electronblaster rof? would it make that much a difference if i make 3 times the amount of dmg i do now? so whats the point not having theese 2, easyly implementable "features" ?
crap, some people are damn slow in their brain.... ductoris,i did twice now since this is the third time my sig was deleted. i have no idea why tbh. now whats wrong with it?- beo
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Graalum
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Posted - 2006.03.01 09:20:00 -
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what the op is trying to think of is a destoyer, a bread of ships that needs more slots, more grid, more cpu, and more shield/armor/cap/hull.
increase grid, cpu, and sheild/cap/armor/hull 25%-50% and add 1 or 2 mid or low slots and you have a much better class of ship, that might have an actual roll in the battle field. You can put a medium extender on a AF, or a large on a cruiser, tehn you should also be able to put a medium on a destroyer. put it legitimately in between the frig and cruiser classes, not just a frig with 4 more high slots.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.03.01 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Oro Masut
What you are saying is : AFs pricing sux....only the dim fails to realize that a things usefulness should not be confused with its obtainability
PVP pilots should fly by ship efficiency...getting the most back for your buck. The more damage your ship does over it's pricetag before it pops, the better. Only morons or people with too many carebear alts fly ships they think are cool.
Fly what works best for the task you have at hand and spend only as much as you need to.
20m AF getting owned by a 300k frigate = pathetic beyond words, if i was an AF pilot that has experienced that i'd slit my wrists _ __
WE get EVERRYYWHHHEERREEEE!!1 - Imaran |
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.03.01 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Oro Masut
What you are saying is : AFs pricing sux....only the dim fails to realize that a things usefulness should not be confused with its obtainability
PVP pilots should fly by ship efficiency...getting the most back for your buck. The more damage your ship does over it's pricetag before it pops, the better. Only morons or people with too many carebear alts fly ships they think are cool.
Fly what works best for the task you have at hand and spend only as much as you need to.
20m AF getting owned by a 300k frigate = pathetic beyond words, if i was an AF pilot that has experienced that i'd slit my wrists
Amen.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.03.01 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Oro Masut
What you are saying is : AFs pricing sux....only the dim fails to realize that a things usefulness should not be confused with its obtainability
PVP pilots should fly by ship efficiency...getting the most back for your buck. The more damage your ship does over it's pricetag before it pops, the better. Only morons or people with too many carebear alts fly ships they think are cool.
Fly what works best for the task you have at hand and spend only as much as you need to.
20m AF getting owned by a 300k frigate = pathetic beyond words, if i was an AF pilot that has experienced that i'd slit my wrists
It is a game! ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
SengH
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Posted - 2006.03.01 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Oro Masut
What you are saying is : AFs pricing sux....only the dim fails to realize that a things usefulness should not be confused with its obtainability
PVP pilots should fly by ship efficiency...getting the most back for your buck. The more damage your ship does over it's pricetag before it pops, the better. Only morons or people with too many carebear alts fly ships they think are cool.
Fly what works best for the task you have at hand and spend only as much as you need to.
20m AF getting owned by a 300k frigate = pathetic beyond words, if i was an AF pilot that has experienced that i'd slit my wrists
well then theres goonfleet..... and watching a 200mil T2 BS get owned by 30 T1 frigs.
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Kery Nysell
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Posted - 2006.03.01 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Oro Masut
What you are saying is : AFs pricing sux....only the dim fails to realize that a things usefulness should not be confused with its obtainability
PVP pilots should fly by ship efficiency...getting the most back for your buck. The more damage your ship does over it's pricetag before it pops, the better. Only morons or people with too many carebear alts fly ships they think are cool.
Fly what works best for the task you have at hand and spend only as much as you need to.
20m AF getting owned by a 300k frigate = pathetic beyond words, if i was an AF pilot that has experienced that i'd slit my wrists
Glad to know I'm a moron because I do think some ships are "cool" to fly in.
Please refrain from over-generalisation, PvP is not the only valid form of gameplay.
From my carebear, PvE-only point of view, the Harpy and Hawk are pretty good for NPCing and missions, thank you very much, and I think I'll raise my 3 other frigate skills to 5 too, because I like AFs.
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Sicex
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Posted - 2006.03.01 11:26:00 -
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Sig radiuseseses (Radii? w/e)
... are MUCH to important to CCP as you can see from the multi hundred-million ISK Alpha Implant set which is about the only thing that reduces your sig radius. A cruiser with a smaller sig radius? Can you imagine how insanely deadly those cruisers would become? Fit em for speed and you'd still have room for a decent tank, not that you'd need it as only small guns would be a threat.
Destroyers... 8 hi slots and you want to make them harder to hit? Destroyers fill their role perfectly, anti-frigate, and are susceptable from damn near any type of fire because they are so efficient at it.
... and AFs rock.
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Iron Wraith
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Posted - 2006.03.01 12:51:00 -
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the difference in sig's between the ship classes is a very important distinction. as it stands a cruiser flown well can get under a BS's guns just like a frig can get under a crusers guns. i'm talking in general here, one of the best things about eve is you can always come up with a counter plan.
so there is no reason to put a cruser on par with a frig in that respect. and game mechanics aside, the crusers are huge compared to the frigs, doesnt make sense from a "reality" point of view either.
maybe all your cruser needs is some help with the fittings you have, and some tricks and tips on how to get the most our of her. drop me a line in game if you want to talk things over.
as for AF's. personally i love em they truly own on lvl3 missions and are great for pvp too. my enyo and a taranis made a 2 man gate camp during an empire war. smacking crusers and frigs all over the place while the fleet moved in from 0.0. by the time the fleet had arrived the enemy had given up and gone home. best i pulled off was 2 crusers + 1 frig vs our t2 ships. on the last cruser i had cap death, managed to keep the guns going and left my armour to its natural resistances. with the extreem damage i was kicking out he went down long before my armour collapsed that has to be one of my fav pvp moments. and there is no way a t1 frig would have survived any of that abuse. luckily the eejit in the missile boat didnt swap to expl missiles when he came back for another go. if he had i'd have been flying an expensive t1 frig
sure af's are over priced and might not be the best ship for pvp. but you try telling those nuts flying faction blastherthrons that they are in a crap pvp ship. isk vs bang is a balance for the individual. personaly i like my t2 gear on my pvp ships. and i only fly ships i have already written off as dead (just dont tell my accountant that the BS i'm using at the mo wasnt lost to a warp drive failure, what he doesnt know cant hurt him ) Because sometimes you just have to go back to your roots: [2005.02.20 01:08:03] (combat) Your Civilian Light Electron Blaster perfectly strikes Serpentis Smuggler, wrecking for 20.3 damage. |
Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.03.01 14:46:00 -
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AFs: "Tankability".
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Sin Angel
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Posted - 2006.03.01 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Sin Angel
Originally by: Zysco
Originally by: Benglada
Originally by: Streetrip What if cruisers had frig sized sig radius? would it really make that much of a difference besides making cruisers more effective? It would hardly take away from a frigs tackling role at all and would make them more survivable thats for sure. They'd be alot more suited towards their additional firepower/anti-frig roles then if they weren't sniped so damn fast!
I dont see any clear problems so far at all. You just get a more powerful frig at the price of sluggishness
We have one, called an ASSUALT FRIGATE. thanks.
Except assault frigates suck ass.
Only if your a poor pilot, personally i find them very effective in the correct role
-Sin
AF's suck, they always have. Only the dim fail to realize you can do the same thing AF's do in other ships. Other much cheaper ships.
very fair point for most but Af's cost me about the same as a cruiser maybe a little more (6-10mil) so i find them quite cost effective however at market price i totally agree with your statement though that is another discussion
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DenBrown
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Posted - 2006.10.08 10:06:00 -
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READ THIS!
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Imaran
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Posted - 2006.10.08 11:20:00 -
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