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Lady Storm
Sierra Five-Oh
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Posted - 2013.12.01 21:41:00 -
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Im just wondering if anyone else is experiencing extremely low invention rates post Rubicon? Perhaps I'm just in a slump of success right now, but im averaging about 10% less success rates over 100 inventions than what I should be getting.
Anyone else experiencing that? |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
4387
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Posted - 2013.12.02 03:57:00 -
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rng is r
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
730
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:32:00 -
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100 inventions is too small a number to draw any conclusions about. Chances are random, they tend towards the average after a statistically significant number of tests. 100 isn't.
This gets posted after every expansion, every major patch and some minor patches too. |
Alpharius Aleutinus
Trust Brothers LLC.
Controlled Rage Syndicate
4
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Posted - 2013.12.02 12:25:00 -
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Nobody would change the formula without at least informing us of the intent. There is a reason random is random. |
Ydnari
Estrale Frontiers
Project Wildfire
232
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Posted - 2013.12.02 13:01:00 -
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Every expansion. Every single one...
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
292
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Posted - 2013.12.02 15:29:00 -
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I think you're onto something, OP. I've also noticed that gas-station scratch-off lottery tickets have been simply awful ever since Comet ISON's close brush with the sun. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1550
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Posted - 2013.12.02 15:46:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:I think you're onto something, OP. I've also noticed that gas-station scratch-off lottery tickets have been simply awful ever since Comet ISON's close brush with the sun.
i knew it! damn you lizard people!
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
528
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Posted - 2013.12.02 15:55:00 -
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Lady Storm wrote:Im just wondering if anyone else is experiencing extremely low invention rates post Rubicon? Perhaps I'm just in a slump of success right now, but im averaging about 10% less success rates over 100 inventions than what I should be getting.
Anyone else experiencing that?
just stop.
"CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Kahawa Oban
CompleXion Industries
CompleXion Alliance
2
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Posted - 2013.12.03 02:15:00 -
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It is a small sample size but yes i've seen a decrease in yield.
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Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1552
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Posted - 2013.12.03 18:48:00 -
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Zero change in overall average rates for my jobs.
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
4401
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Posted - 2013.12.03 18:51:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Lady Storm wrote:Im just wondering if anyone else is experiencing extremely low invention rates post Rubicon? Perhaps I'm just in a slump of success right now, but im averaging about 10% less success rates over 100 inventions than what I should be getting.
Anyone else experiencing that? just stop.
Just dance. Gonna be random.
Da-doo-doo-doo
Just dance. Spin that lab slot.
Da-doo-doo-doo
Just dance. Gonna be random.
Duh-duh-duh-duh
Dance. Dance. Dance. Just dance.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1278
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Posted - 2013.12.04 00:29:00 -
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If I had a kitten for every time I'd seen someone hypothesize that RNG is broken after a statstically insignificant number of attempts, I could fill a statistically significant number of swimming pools with dead cats.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content.
An enemy is just a friend that you stab in the front. |
Lord Echon
Star-Crossed Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2013.12.06 12:03:00 -
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I actually came looking to see if there were others who had also experienced very low success rates recently. It has not been a problem after Rubicon but this week I have had far more misses than hits. So many misses in fact that I started to wonder if something was wrong. Maybe I have simply been unlucky but I wanted to mention it nevertheless. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
739
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Posted - 2013.12.06 12:54:00 -
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Well based on a massive sample size of 50, my success rate is up, therefore I will make an absolutely groundless conclusion that CCP has increased success rates for characters whose names start with letters A-F, kept it the same for characters whose names start with G-J and decreased success rates for everyone else.
Or it's the RNG being random, as usual.
The brain remembers unusual events far more readily than it remembers the usual. It remembers things that confirm a belief easier than things that counter that belief. Hence one can have a 45% success chance, see 60% successes for weeks on end and not notice anything unusual, but remember clearly and vividly the next two batches that had 5% successes.
To see if success chances have changed, keep a hard record (not memory) of a few thousand inventions of the same type and then calculate the average success rate and see if it's within the statistically expected variance. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
81027
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Posted - 2013.12.06 16:42:00 -
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Ydnari wrote:Every expansion. Every single one...
Yup. Every single expansion.
Former Alliance Leader invented Hulks for a living, and I remember him having a run of around 45 and every single one failed.
It's.................random.
"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
4420
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Posted - 2013.12.06 18:18:00 -
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A wonderful way for CCP to troll everyone would be to temporarily decrease Invention success rates and exploration drop rates after each expansion.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Tibrius Archer
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.12.09 03:54:00 -
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What a bunch of prigs.
The OP merely asked if anyone else noticed anything. Nothing more. If there was something that was changed perhaps inadvertently this is how you'd know. If this annoys you don't respond and don't take it as an opportunity to say things you couldn't and wouldn't say in IRL.
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
741
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Posted - 2013.12.09 05:27:00 -
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Tibrius Archer wrote:don't take it as an opportunity to say things you couldn't and wouldn't say in IRL.
Personally I'd say everything I said here in public, in person, no problem. This was a fairly mellow thread compared to some I've seen
A minute of searching (less) would have turned up for the OP all the other posts about exactly this topic posted after every single expansion with, in some cases detailed explanations of the statistics involved and why they cannot conclude anything on such a low set of tests. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
349
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Posted - 2013.12.09 15:38:00 -
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Tibrius Archer wrote:What a bunch of prigs.
The OP merely asked if anyone else noticed anything. Nothing more. If there was something that was changed perhaps inadvertently this is how you'd know. If this annoys you don't respond and don't take it as an opportunity to say things you couldn't and wouldn't say in IRL.
The thing is, the OP didn't really notice anything. They feel like they did, but the statistically insignificant number of jobs renders it purely anecdotal.
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Jdestars
Stars Research systems Incorporation
7
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Posted - 2013.12.10 11:12:00 -
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Lady Storm wrote:Im just wondering if anyone else is experiencing extremely low invention rates post Rubicon? Perhaps I'm just in a slump of success right now, but im averaging about 10% less success rates over 100 inventions than what I should be getting.
Anyone else experiencing that?
Normal behavior due to the system of the inventions, the success rate and given for 1 try, you can determine the rate to the infinity but the number of drawings is finished it is thus the law of distribution of the series which applies there is an exchange so that you have infini* (1 - rate of success) before having a single successful try
but your wallet are finished limite ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Petersburg_paradox )
check binomial law / bernouilly law , upgrade your Math Clone too ;)
and you know what ? all module with chance factor have same rule like ( hack /archeo/ salvage / ECM / scramble ...... ) |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland
Test Alliance Please Ignore
404
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Posted - 2013.12.11 21:21:00 -
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Jdestars wrote:Lady Storm wrote:Im just wondering if anyone else is experiencing extremely low invention rates post Rubicon? Perhaps I'm just in a slump of success right now, but im averaging about 10% less success rates over 100 inventions than what I should be getting.
Anyone else experiencing that? Normal behavior due to the system of the inventions, the success rate and given for 1 try, you can determine the rate to the infinity but the number of drawings is finished it is thus the law of distribution of the series which applies there is an exchange so that you have infini* (1 - rate of success) before having a single successful try but your wallet are finished limite ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Petersburg_paradox ) check binomial law / bernouilly law , upgrade your Math Clone too ;) and you know what ? all module with chance factor have same rule like ( hack /archeo/ salvage / ECM / ...... )
Translation? Someone?
Free Ripley Weaver! |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
362
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Posted - 2013.12.11 21:42:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:Jdestars wrote:Lady Storm wrote:Im just wondering if anyone else is experiencing extremely low invention rates post Rubicon? Perhaps I'm just in a slump of success right now, but im averaging about 10% less success rates over 100 inventions than what I should be getting.
Anyone else experiencing that? Normal behavior due to the system of the inventions, the success rate and given for 1 try, you can determine the rate to the infinity but the number of drawings is finished it is thus the law of distribution of the series which applies there is an exchange so that you have infini* (1 - rate of success) before having a single successful try but your wallet are finished limite ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Petersburg_paradox ) check binomial law / bernouilly law , upgrade your Math Clone too ;) and you know what ? all module with chance factor have same rule like ( hack /archeo/ salvage / ECM / ...... ) Translation? Someone?
Random is random. |
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
37
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Posted - 2013.12.13 23:56:00 -
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I'd like to interrupt the lesson in statistics to point out there have been problems in the past with decryptors not functioning correctly.
Please resume shouting this person down with nonsense about sample sizes. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
381
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Posted - 2013.12.14 04:59:00 -
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GreasyCarl Semah wrote:I'd like to interrupt the lesson in statistics to point out there have been problems in the past with decryptors not functioning correctly.
Please resume shouting this person down with nonsense about sample sizes.
Offhand, I can't think of any decryptor issues of a probabilistic nature. The only noteworthy decryptor problem in recent memory was the entirely consistent and completely deterministic run count rounding error. |
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