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Varukka Sault
Tactical Munitions Sev3rance
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Posted - 2013.12.02 10:55:00 -
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With the recent interceptor buff small groups (2-4) and small gangs 4-12'ish) have been the most common pew pew recently. Most of us are aware of their general capabilities. That being said, I'm looking for advice on the best SOLO counter to these gangs. I'm not concerned with fleet fits/counters for handling tackle, I'm concerned with what is the best ship to handle small groups of interceptors in the current meta. This is foin between the times when we aren't out roaming ourselves and I can't be bothered to rat any longer and I want to hop in something an cruise around looking for pvp or when te small gangs present temaelves in my soac when I am ratting. I can fly most anything subcap and below. Thanks in advance for your input! |
Janna Windforce
EVE University Ivy League
26
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Posted - 2013.12.02 11:16:00 -
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Thing is, if you hop into something remotely capable - they will just refuse to fight you and you are never catching them (they are faster, warp faster, have longer points and bubble immunity). With the nerfs of RLMs bigger hulls are more or less useless and smaller hulls will melt, especially if you want solo. You might try Hawk with LMs and Flare rig? |
Catherine Woodville
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
1
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Posted - 2013.12.02 12:10:00 -
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A pulse coercer can take out a couple of interceptors before they pop you. Fit for maximum damage and tracking rather than tank and use a mwd/web rather than a point. With any luck they won't notice they aren't pointed and keep coming at you.
Start the engagement at your maximum fall off range, overheat and burn away from them in a straight line to improve your tracking, use scorch while they are at range, turn on the web and change to multi when they get close. Profit. |
crononyx
Running with Knives Nexus Fleet
0
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Posted - 2013.12.02 14:21:00 -
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Some time ago I've seen a vid by zaqq demonstrating anti-frig maller fit. No tank, tracking enhancers, heatsinks in lows, tracking computer, pulses. Not sure how that works against good ceptor pilots, but i will try that soon. Sounds like it should work.
But in general: dessies. I killed 2 ceptors on gate in my blaster cormorant few days ago. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1422
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Posted - 2013.12.02 14:37:00 -
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An armor gnosis with autocannons has recently proven effective against little stuff that likes to zip around you in my personal experience. You could even drop one of the warp disruptors and the ECCM/sebo and put on some tracking computers. |
Bobfromlalaland kcid
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.12.02 16:02:00 -
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sacrilige |
Liam Inkuras
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
601
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Posted - 2013.12.02 19:34:00 -
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Bobfromlalaland kcid wrote:sacrilige HAM application GG. In my opinion, a dual web Stabber Fleet Issue with Dual 180mm Autocannons is the best ship for frigate shredding. I would know, I've died to them many times. I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Cage Man
305
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Posted - 2013.12.02 23:22:00 -
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Domi with all highs of heavy neuts, damps, mjd, sebo in the mids and lots of warriors ??? If they get within neut range they will be capped out in seconds and become easy prey, so they can't stop you from mjd'ing away. maybe.. this is me theory crafting.. The thick plottens... CCP, When can my crane get its black paint job back?? |
Varukka Sault
Tactical Munitions Sev3rance
0
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Posted - 2013.12.03 07:19:00 -
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My apologies for the typos in the OP, Iphone fail.
The domi fit runs into the problem of them not engaging. While it would probably work as you said, they won't engage you without knowing they have friends coming to blob you.
I will look into the gnosis.
I bought 10 coercers with that just in mind, and then i ran into a wolf and got my ass handed to me. Purely my oversight.
I've looked into arty thrashers with something similar in mind as well.
As far as the SFI, i'm currently running a vaga similarly fit, except with a pimped scram and web XL-asb, haven't gotten to test it out though (might be falling into the category of they know better to engage without enough blob).
I will look for that video mentioned as well.
I guess I was just looking for something other than Dessie's brawling/kiting and hoping for the best. The way I see it currently, is you have to fly something they think they can kill with ease, or fly something so expensive it makes it worth the risk to fight something superior to them. I'm hoping the Vaga will do the trick for that. I will monkey around with a Hawk fit and see if I can't find something that will enable me to brawl 2-3 depending on intel provided for those pilots and their fits. Otherwise i've had good success with a blaster Daredevil with SAAR. However tanking two is risky, if they are decent pilots I shouldn't get both of them (I did manage it once) but more than 2 and i've got no hope. That is assuming they don't derp along the way allowing me to seperate them enough to burn one down cleanly and transition to the next. The other issue with the DD is I need to kill 3-4 before I pop to make it isk efficient.
I was hoping for something out of the box I hadn't thought of or something painfully obvious I overlooked.
TLDR: I want a solo ship that can realistically engage small groups of ceptors, one that which the ceptors will actually engage me. I want cake, and I want to eat it too.
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The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
128
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Posted - 2013.12.03 12:45:00 -
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Smartbombing battleship with 4+ warp stabs and smart piloting.
The trick is to get them close up. You have to be a bit creative for that, and warp around a lot. Tips: GÇó make them decloak you GÇó make them intercept you from warp at point blank obvious warp ins (70km from celestial vs smart ones, 100 or 0 vs standard) GÇó make them think you are ratting or trying to snipe (fake sebo) |
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
270
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Posted - 2013.12.03 13:17:00 -
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Varukka Sault wrote: TLDR: I want a solo ship that can realistically engage small groups of ceptors, one that which the ceptors will actually engage me. I want cake, and I want to eat it too.
It's not hard to find one idiot that will engage a ship that is capable of killing him five times over but you're hoping for a whole fleet of idiots?... LOL
Even in a group of idiots there's usually one that is smart enough to say "wait this might not be a good idea" |
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
131
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Posted - 2013.12.03 17:55:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Varukka Sault wrote: TLDR: I want a solo ship that can realistically engage small groups of ceptors, one that which the ceptors will actually engage me. I want cake, and I want to eat it too.
It's not hard to find one idiot that will engage a ship that is capable of killing him five times over but you're hoping for a whole fleet of idiots?... LOL Even in a group of idiots there's usually one that is smart enough to say "wait this might not be a good idea"
I think the contrary, a lone pilot rarely finds the courage to engage and make the mistake of committing to a bad fight. A group is much braver and desperate to engage just to get their worth for taking the time to group up.
With the smartbomb fake sniper rokh I lured only one solo dramiel, but many fleet interceptors and probers to their death. |
Grandma Squirel
50
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Posted - 2013.12.04 06:02:00 -
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The Domi, and SB Rokh are both solid against a ceptor only fleet. The problem is that if the ceptors are running point for something heavier, you run the risk of getting bogged down and killed by reinforcements. Domi may not be able to kill ceptors fast enough, and the Rokh, or other SB wont have the range to ensure all scrams are killed. They can and do work, but are far from perfect. I've run into both, and had both die to reinforcements, domi got 2 ceptors before going down, Rokh almost got one. |
Dato Koppla
PillowFighters Inc Stealth Wear Inc.
393
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Posted - 2013.12.04 06:16:00 -
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30k point 4-5km/s ceptors are incredibly hard to kill solo as most weapons either have trouble reaching that range or simply can't hit the ceptor, you can't outspeed them, you can't scram em, they can outspeed/kill drones easily, unbonused neuts can't reach them etc. If an entire ceptor gang landed on you you could kill a couple, but it's unlikely you'll come out on top. |
bubble trout
Sky Fighters
108
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Posted - 2013.12.04 15:03:00 -
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Do something stupid like fit nuets, web, scram, duel large asb, drone damage amps, and hobs on a scythe. Split the gang over a gate or 2 and kill the ranis that scrams you. It works I swear. |
Dan Carter Murray
449
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Posted - 2013.12.04 15:13:00 -
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Varukka Sault wrote:With the recent interceptor buff small groups (2-4) and small gangs 4-12'ish) have been the most common pew pew recently. Most of us are aware of their general capabilities. That being said, I'm looking for advice on the best SOLO counter to these gangs. I'm not concerned with fleet fits/counters for handling tackle, I'm concerned with what is the best ship to handle small groups of interceptors in the current meta. This is foin between the times when we aren't out roaming ourselves and I can't be bothered to rat any longer and I want to hop in something an cruise around looking for pvp or when te small gangs present temaelves in my soac when I am ratting. I can fly most anything subcap and below. Thanks in advance for your input!
solo counter for the entire gang is smartbombing battleship with mjd, target spectrum breaker, cloak, ecm burst, and lot's of stabs.
solo counter for single interceptor is sentinel. http://mfi.re/?j7ldoco 50GB free space @ MediaFire.com |
Varukka Sault
Tactical Munitions Sev3rance
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Posted - 2013.12.05 00:47:00 -
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bubble trout wrote:Do something stupid like fit nuets, web, scram, duel large asb, drone damage amps, and hobs on a scythe. Split the gang over a gate or 2 and kill the ranis that scrams you. It works I swear.
I guess this might work if they are foolish enough to aggress me in a position where I can just jump and leave one or more behind with aggression timer, otherwise there is no outrunning them in from gate to gate with that warp speed.
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bubble trout
Sky Fighters
108
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Posted - 2013.12.05 04:23:00 -
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Varukka Sault wrote:bubble trout wrote:Do something stupid like fit nuets, web, scram, duel large asb, drone damage amps, and hobs on a scythe. Split the gang over a gate or 2 and kill the ranis that scrams you. It works I swear. I guess this might work if they are foolish enough to aggress me in a position where I can just jump and leave one or more behind with aggression timer, otherwise there is no outrunning them in from gate to gate with that warp speed.
Foolish enough to chase down a lone T1 logi cruiser? Yes, people are. |
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Origin. Black Legion.
322
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Posted - 2013.12.06 02:07:00 -
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LML overtanked drake? I know it was done with moderate success way back when, it probably could work now too. No sig. |
Skelee VI
Wraithguard. Dirt Nap Squad.
30
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:24:00 -
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Sentinel, neut, scram and drones! |
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Skelee VI
Wraithguard. Dirt Nap Squad.
31
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:25:00 -
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or arty thrahser |
Pew Terror
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
40
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Posted - 2013.12.13 18:30:00 -
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damp them, inties have almost negative lock ranges. |
Nimrod vanHall
Martyr's Vengence Nulli Secunda
39
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Posted - 2013.12.14 06:48:00 -
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Pew Terror wrote:damp them, inties have almost negative lock ranges.
What game do you play? |
Tung Yoggi
SnaiLs aNd FroGs
17
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Posted - 2013.12.14 09:50:00 -
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Any dual web AB cruiser with drones and possibly small weapons. If you just want to bait and kill, there is no limit in how strangely your ship might be fitted. You can try also small guns Tier 3 BS, since Tier 3 are known for their incapcity to deal with frigates groups.
If you go for a cruiser, pick of course the most harmless looking, someone mentioned scythe for instance. I recommend you check Clahim's latest video (see my eve section, 'can't touch this').
Lastly, as it has been said, inties with bonused point won't die, but they might also not deal enough dps for you to avoid docking or jumping. Unless it's 12 LML crows. |
Jeb Vacano
Sovereignty Express
0
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Posted - 2013.12.18 04:33:00 -
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Dual drone navigation comp II's and warior II's 10km/s lets see them out run that |
Hrett
Justified Chaos
282
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Posted - 2013.12.18 06:00:00 -
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Jeb Vacano wrote:Dual drone navigation comp II's and warior II's 10km/s lets see them out run that
Unless they have changed drone mechanics drastically in the last few years, this will not work. The drones go so fast that they speed past the inty constantly. The drones will rarely fire a shot. I fit up a couple of Vexors for this purpose and it was a failed experiment.
The drones also go so fast that they have trouble docking back in the drone bay when you recall them. :) I'm probably typing on an iPad, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
1004
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Posted - 2013.12.18 11:30:00 -
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Hrett wrote:Jeb Vacano wrote:Dual drone navigation comp II's and warior II's 10km/s lets see them out run that Unless they have changed drone mechanics drastically in the last few years, this will not work. The drones go so fast that they speed past the inty constantly. The drones will rarely fire a shot. I fit up a couple of Vexors for this purpose and it was a failed experiment. The drones also go so fast that they have trouble docking back in the drone bay when you recall them. :)
Yeah it doesn't work very well, the drones shoot but miss a lot because they can't stay within optimal - or outrun their own tracking. |
SFM Hobb3s
Vanguard Frontiers Black Legion.
37
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Posted - 2013.12.18 18:34:00 -
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A good cepter gang of 8-12 can take out any of those suggestions...including neuting domis, smartbombing battleships, mjd battleships...there's no need for heavier reinforcements. You just need a bit of time and co-ordination with the rest of your inty buddies.
Most inty losses I've seen were simple mistakes where the pilot was pushing their luck and stayed on grid a bit longer than they should have. |
Nimrod vanHall
Martyr's Vengence Nulli Secunda
41
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Posted - 2013.12.19 11:11:00 -
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Just bring a slowcat blob. With amar light drones for mids 2 omnidirectional tracking link II 2 drone navigation units. Have 2 slowcats fit remote sensor boosters with scan scripts and 1 with remote sensor boosters lock range scripts 1 with remote ECCM have one thanatos pilot ghostride into an information and skirmish linked eos. Use this all to boost a proteus with an officer scram ( yes uou can make it fit ) as trigger and kil one ceptor every 4 to 10 seconds |
ArchenTheGreat
BRAB0 The Volition Cult
27
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Posted - 2013.12.19 11:36:00 -
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Nimrod vanHall wrote:Just bring a slowcat blob. With amar light drones for mids 2 omnidirectional tracking link II 2 drone navigation units. Have 2 slowcats fit remote sensor boosters with scan scripts and 1 with remote sensor boosters lock range scripts 1 with remote ECCM have one thanatos pilot ghostride into an information and skirmish linked eos. Use this all to boost a proteus with an officer scram ( yes uou can make it fit ) as trigger and kil one ceptor every 4 to 10 seconds
Not sure if it is a troll but in case it isn't: there is something wrong with game if you need THIS^^^ to counter interceptor gang. |
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Odithia
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.12.19 11:41:00 -
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Perfectly balanced, you can't expect to easily counter a gang of 10 alone. |
SFM Hobb3s
Vanguard Frontiers Black Legion.
37
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Posted - 2013.12.19 14:58:00 -
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Nimrod vanHall wrote:Just bring a slowcat blob. With amar light drones for mids 2 omnidirectional tracking link II 2 drone navigation units. Have 2 slowcats fit remote sensor boosters with scan scripts and 1 with remote sensor boosters lock range scripts 1 with remote ECCM have one thanatos pilot ghostride into an information and skirmish linked eos. Use this all to boost a proteus with an officer scram ( yes uou can make it fit ) as trigger and kil one ceptor every 4 to 10 seconds
Just don't forget to have your 1000 t1 sentries in cargo so you can do you-know-what to the node if you find yourself in a pickle =P |
Omega Crendraven
Nennamaila TASK FORCE 1337
120
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Posted - 2013.12.19 17:01:00 -
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LML Heretic Nennamaila TASK FORCE 133.7 Nevher ferget
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Berasus
Ice station zebra
31
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Posted - 2014.03.07 01:49:00 -
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Hrett wrote:Jeb Vacano wrote:Dual drone navigation comp II's and warior II's 10km/s lets see them out run that Unless they have changed drone mechanics drastically in the last few years, this will not work. The drones go so fast that they speed past the inty constantly. The drones will rarely fire a shot. I fit up a couple of Vexors for this purpose and it was a failed experiment. The drones also go so fast that they have trouble docking back in the drone bay when you recall them. :)
All my experiences with mwd'ing frigates has been that even warriors are pretty useless. Last attempt: 2 ishtars vs a 7 man interceptor gang. Ishtars had 1 drone nav and 2 omni links each. 10 warriors out, They mwd to the target, fire one volley then fall behind. mwd to the target, fire 1 volley then fall behind. Could never get any kind of sustained dps on an inty and the best i managed to achieve was making 1 casually warp away after a while. |
Dr Cedric
Independent Miners Corporation Care Factor
35
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Posted - 2014.03.07 03:29:00 -
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I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but I think its worth mentioning again.
I can't think of another ship class in the game that there isn't at least one clear, effective and cost-efficient counter to. Interceptors, with their current stats and bonuses are not well balanced w/ the rest of the PvP situation in Eve right now. Flame away :) Cedric
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Bea Love
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.03.07 08:14:00 -
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Well what about a Huginn? Against 3-4 Ceptors?! Dualweb... I have not tried this by myself - but maybe... |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
535
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Posted - 2014.03.07 09:56:00 -
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Omega Crendraven wrote:LML Heretic
That one knows his basics "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
Moving pictures |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
259
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Posted - 2014.03.07 11:24:00 -
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There are some classic anti-frig support ships, like the RLM Scythe Fleet issue, the Pulse Omen Navy Issue and the RLM Osprey Navy Issue.
You can also use ships with web bonuses, like the Minmatar recons, or the current Blood Raider and Guardian Angel lines.
The re-balanced interdictors are also good.
Ultimately though, the best defense against a gang that wants to kill you is...to bring a gang yourself. Expecting to take on solo a gang of small ships should always put you in a disadvantage. And it does. |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
297
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Posted - 2014.03.07 20:59:00 -
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An ASB Gila fit just to ruin interceptors would me my bet.
Small missiles / Neuts in the highs.
Make sure to add some speed mods and an Omni with tracking script for the drones.
Everything else is just tank.
Make sure to have sentries just in case they get out of range to use smaller drones effectively.
Don't bring heavies. Just tons of T2 lights and meds.
If you want a cheap version but with less mids grab a basic vexor and try to do similar tactics. |
Brutor Trash
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:43:00 -
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USE RLML. OH WAIT. |
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1010
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Posted - 2014.03.09 03:05:00 -
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Brutor Trash wrote:USE RLML. OH WAIT. that would be too easy Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Chessur
Amarrian Nublet Team Amarrica
301
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Posted - 2014.03.09 06:30:00 -
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Intys are only 'hard countered' by 2 ship classes (that would need support in order to kill the intys)
1. Recons, of any flavor **** on them 2. EAF's 3. Destroyers + Dictors
Currently the entire cruiser lineup lacks any form of consistant weapon system to handle intys. They also lack the speed, and web bonuses to apply any type of consistanc EWAR against them. So against competent frig pilots, cruisers are outmatched. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1012
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Posted - 2014.03.09 07:08:00 -
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Chessur wrote:Intys are only 'hard countered' by 2 ship classes (that would need support in order to kill the intys)
1. Recons, of any flavor **** on them 2. EAF's 3. Destroyers + Dictors
Currently the entire cruiser lineup lacks any form of consistant weapon system to handle intys. They also lack the speed, and web bonuses to apply any type of consistanc EWAR against them. So against competent frig pilots, cruisers are outmatched. Destroyer isn't a ship class, it's a size class. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Kiryen O'Bannon
Thrall Nation Brave Collective
63
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Posted - 2014.03.09 09:07:00 -
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Ripard Teg posted an anti-frigate Bellicose build on his blog this past week. Try that. (Jester's Trek is the blog.) |
Chessur
Amarrian Nublet Team Amarrica
302
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Posted - 2014.03.09 09:10:00 -
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Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:Ripard Teg posted an anti-frigate Bellicose build on his blog this past week. Try that. (Jester's Trek is the blog.)
Bellicose is a horrible ship. It was before the RLML nerf, and its even more **** now. Best anti-frig cruiser is the Nomen, Nosprey, Scythe Fleet. Bellicose is basically just a watered down of the last two. |
Kiryen O'Bannon
Thrall Nation Brave Collective
64
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Posted - 2014.03.09 15:02:00 -
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Chessur wrote:Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:Ripard Teg posted an anti-frigate Bellicose build on his blog this past week. Try that. (Jester's Trek is the blog.) Bellicose is a horrible ship. It was before the RLML nerf, and its even more **** now. Best anti-frig cruiser is the Nomen, Nosprey, Scythe Fleet. Bellicose is basically just a watered down of the last two. All faction cruisers..... Not a level comparison. |
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
1140
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Posted - 2014.03.09 15:38:00 -
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Bellicose is a poor choice, it lacks the missile velocity bonus that is needed for light missiles to be effective against interceptors.
Unless you land a web of course, but Jester's fit doesn't have one and if you web the inty target, you're probably better off with the superior damage of the Caracal anyway. |
Chessur
Amarrian Nublet Team Amarrica
302
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Posted - 2014.03.09 15:52:00 -
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Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:Chessur wrote:Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:Ripard Teg posted an anti-frigate Bellicose build on his blog this past week. Try that. (Jester's Trek is the blog.) Bellicose is a horrible ship. It was before the RLML nerf, and its even more **** now. Best anti-frig cruiser is the Nomen, Nosprey, Scythe Fleet. Bellicose is basically just a watered down of the last two. All faction cruisers..... Not a level comparison.
I am comparing ships that can easily kill light tackle. i don't care if they cost 60mil or 10mil for the hull. Its pennies, and I am looking for effectiveness. Touting that 'my ship costs less' to somehow explain how sub par the bellicose is- really doesn't cut it. |
Aivo Dresden
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
285
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Posted - 2014.03.09 16:56:00 -
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Straight up, I'd probably take a Sentinel.
A frigate with a utility high would probably work as well, as long as it can fit a neut in there. |
Fenris Orion
Rapid Withdrawal
3
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Posted - 2014.03.09 18:56:00 -
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http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=22133033
^^^ That's an AB blaster Atron fit worth 8mil. Most Inty pilots are smart/dumb enough to manually fly everything, and the above victim is no slouch.
In the OP's position, I'd try my dual-prop Enyo against them. Pre-heat the scram, work on slingshotting them one at a time. Anything foolish enough to get within 10km dies, and a SAAR Enyo could tank a handful of Inty's all day pulsing reps. One Enyo is worth about the same as one Cepter, so if you get 2 or 3 you're doing good. Exchange whichever AF you like, really, except Amarr. Wolf might actually be a better bet, given how much faster it is. |
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1012
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Posted - 2014.03.09 19:30:00 -
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Chessur wrote:Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:Ripard Teg posted an anti-frigate Bellicose build on his blog this past week. Try that. (Jester's Trek is the blog.) Bellicose is a horrible ship. It was before the RLML nerf, and its even more **** now. Best anti-frig cruiser is the Nomen, Nosprey, Scythe Fleet. Bellicose is basically just a watered down of the last two. There is no need to post an anti-interceptor Bellicose fit. If one does not know how to fit a Bellicose to r+ópe interceptors, one needs to review either basic fitting tactics or use of target painters. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
147
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Posted - 2014.03.09 19:45:00 -
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Inty-gang counters:
Cynnabal Vagabond Caracal with RLML Cerberus with RLML Arazu / Lachesis with damps and scram Nano deimos (2000 m/s+) Ishtar, any configuration Rapier / huginn, any configuration Battleships with heavy neut, drones, and micro jump drive
Basically anything that can track intys, has web/scram, and can go fast to string intys, or projects neuts |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1012
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Posted - 2014.03.09 19:52:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Inty-gang counters:
Cynnabal Vagabond Caracal with RLML Cerberus with RLML Arazu / Lachesis with damps and scram Nano deimos (2000 m/s+) Ishtar, any configuration Rapier / huginn, any configuration Battleships with heavy neut, drones, and micro jump drive
Basically anything that can track intys, has web/scram, and can go fast to string intys, or projects neuts That's it, you've won this thread. Everyone go home now. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Bloodmyst Ranwar
War Toys Inc
30
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Posted - 2014.03.10 02:39:00 -
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There are many ships that can engage Interceptor gangs and be quiet successful. IMO, it has got more to do with how you engage these gangs, not so much about what ship you have.
For example, inties generally have lackluster DPS and a weak tank (I sear many people forget this), you can use this to your advantage through how aggression mechanics work. Split their fleet up each side of the gate and use warrior II's to start popping away. After you pop a couple and the rest of their gang jumps into system, pull you drones, deagress and wait out the timer and jump through to system... rinse and repeat...
Obviously, remember to primary the inties who have a "scram" on you, not a "point."
This is obviously from the point of view if your flying Cruiser ships and above, because generally you possess the tank to do this. However, in the Frigate hulls I personally use the Jaguar and Firetail whenever I go intie hunting. These two hulls are still quite fast, and you can easily slingshot your way into or out of any situations with inties. |
WaterMarks
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.03.10 07:10:00 -
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tracking disruptors rmove there range completely -Fly Reckless- |
Odithia
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2014.03.10 07:57:00 -
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WaterMarks wrote:tracking disruptors rmove there range completely Specialy effective against Crow! |
Kiryen O'Bannon
Thrall Nation Brave Collective
67
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Posted - 2014.03.10 13:08:00 -
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Chessur wrote:Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:Chessur wrote:Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:Ripard Teg posted an anti-frigate Bellicose build on his blog this past week. Try that. (Jester's Trek is the blog.) Bellicose is a horrible ship. It was before the RLML nerf, and its even more **** now. Best anti-frig cruiser is the Nomen, Nosprey, Scythe Fleet. Bellicose is basically just a watered down of the last two. All faction cruisers..... Not a level comparison. I am comparing ships that can easily kill light tackle. i don't care if they cost 60mil or 10mil for the hull. Its pennies, and I am looking for effectiveness. Touting that 'my ship costs less' to somehow explain how sub par the bellicose is- really doesn't cut it. Unfortunately for you, cost matters when considering what ship to use. Obviously navy faction ships are better. If one cant afford 60 million for a dedicated anticeptor cruiser, they will want a suitable standard hull for the job. As to the Bellicose being bad or sub par..no. The unfortunate fact is that too many people do not understamd signature radius. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1017
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Posted - 2014.03.10 16:21:00 -
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I told CCP in a dream to make the new Bellicose. But seriously, when they were talking about rebalancing cruisers I was like "mix medium missiles with target painters!!" Well actually my idea was to do it with the Vigil. I was thinking kind of a light bomber, target painters plus 2 medium launchers. Would have been badass. I'm okay with CCPs Vigil though. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
595
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Posted - 2014.03.11 08:18:00 -
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There are creative fits for quite a few ships that can give Inties a run for their money, just don't expect those fits to work against everything - then again, nothing ever does. Still, a 4 billion Tengu with a Loki booster and implants worth billions might be a bit of an overkill :p |
Chessur
Amarrian Nublet Team Amarrica
310
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Posted - 2014.03.11 10:48:00 -
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Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:Chessur wrote:Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:Chessur wrote:Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:Ripard Teg posted an anti-frigate Bellicose build on his blog this past week. Try that. (Jester's Trek is the blog.) Bellicose is a horrible ship. It was before the RLML nerf, and its even more **** now. Best anti-frig cruiser is the Nomen, Nosprey, Scythe Fleet. Bellicose is basically just a watered down of the last two. All faction cruisers..... Not a level comparison. I am comparing ships that can easily kill light tackle. i don't care if they cost 60mil or 10mil for the hull. Its pennies, and I am looking for effectiveness. Touting that 'my ship costs less' to somehow explain how sub par the bellicose is- really doesn't cut it. Unfortunately for you, cost matters when considering what ship to use. Obviously navy faction ships are better. If one cant afford 60 million for a dedicated anticeptor cruiser, they will want a suitable standard hull for the job. As to the Bellicose being bad or sub par..no. The unfortunate fact is that too many people do not understamd signature radius.
If we are seriously splitting hairs over 60mil hulls... heheeh had no idea that people were still that poor. Even if that is the case- caracal would still be a better hull than the bellicose. Caracal has more DPS, and most importantly more projection than the bellicose. The velocity bonus on the hull allows for a somewhat easier use of precision missiles, which actually can apply a scary amount of DPS to frigs (Provided you can hit them with your 35K ish range. Sadly the bellicose has no such bonus, and is stuck with a useless TP bonus against intys.
The current missile algorithm, in regards to intys leads to webs being FAR more effective, than trying to use a target painter to boost their already small sig. Intys are just moving so fast, that using CN light missiles are just not going to cut it most of the time. Sadly, the bellicose is even more crippled than the caracal when you switch to precision lights, because with out that range bonus you are basically hoping for the intys to ram you.
A 3 BCS light missile bellicose does a whopping 90 DPS with precision missiles. Compared to the caracal which is doing close to 150. Please stop talking out of your depth, and go back to blobbing **** barle. |
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1031
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Posted - 2014.03.11 16:35:00 -
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Chessur wrote:If we are seriously splitting hairs over 60mil hulls... heheeh had no idea that people were still that poor. I'm guessing you PLEX your account with ISK. Many people do. Obviously, there are plenty more who buy the PLEX with real money and exchange it in-game for ISK.
You'll know when the game runs out of people poor by your standards. PLEX will be difficult for you to obtain through ISK. Until then, expect plebians. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Ione Hunt
Storm Solutions
4
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:03:00 -
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Cynabal with 720s and 2 gyros & 2 tracking enhancers
If they try to burn for you, simply overheat your MWD and burn the other direction. Often they panic after the first hit and if you have 30km point, it's probably too late for them to escape before the 2nd salvo hits (or 3rd salvo if necessary). |
Ione Hunt
Storm Solutions
4
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:04:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Chessur wrote:If we are seriously splitting hairs over 60mil hulls... heheeh had no idea that people were still that poor. I'm guessing you PLEX your account with ISK. Many people do. Obviously, there are plenty more who buy the PLEX with real money and exchange it in-game for ISK. You'll know when the game runs out of people poor by your standards. PLEX will be difficult for you to obtain through ISK. Until then, expect plebians.
It's ridiculously easy to make enough ISK to afford faction hulls...look into trading. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1064
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:53:00 -
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Ione Hunt wrote:ridiculously easy relative term. Fact is, the market isn't big enough for everyone to make a living through trading, and it never will be. Money from trading doesn't come out of thin air. Here's a fact that is, has always been, and always will be true in absolutely all market scenarios: if you make a significant income through merchandising, your trade work is above the market average. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3182
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Posted - 2014.03.18 01:29:00 -
[65] - Quote
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Ione Hunt wrote:ridiculously easy relative term. Fact is, the market isn't big enough for everyone to make a living through trading, and it never will be. Money from trading doesn't come out of thin air. Here's a fact that is, has always been, and always will be true in absolutely all market scenarios: if you make a significant income through merchandising, your trade work is above the market average.
I'm sorry to tell you this, but with the way the market is in this game, the only thing keeping you from profiting while trading, is you. Sure, you might not be able to roll into Jita 4-4 and become a market baron immediately, but there are other places to trade, and to live. There are mini hubs throughout the game, and plenty of places to make money trading.
So I'm telling you that the opportunities are there, people are just too lazy to do it themselves. Can literally each and every player make a killing off the market? No. But does 1% of the population of this game actually work at it? You betcha, probably less than that, in fact. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1065
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Posted - 2014.03.18 01:43:00 -
[66] - Quote
I'll agree that there is room for more people working the market. Probably a lot of room, considering all the things people want to buy locally but have to travel to a trade hub to get. It's still a lot of tedium trying to make money through merchandising though. I've spent many hours at it and came up with little to show for it. It would probably be easier if I had more money to start with.
But there are always alternate reasons why people fail at something. It can be easy for some and not for others. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
350
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Posted - 2014.03.18 02:18:00 -
[67] - Quote
Prowler
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Ione Hunt
Storm Solutions
5
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Posted - 2014.03.23 00:30:00 -
[68] - Quote
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Ione Hunt wrote:ridiculously easy relative term. Fact is, the market isn't big enough for everyone to make a living through trading, and it never will be. Money from trading doesn't come out of thin air. Here's a fact that is, has always been, and always will be true in absolutely all market scenarios: if you make a significant income through merchandising, your trade work is above the market average.
You simply have to constantly adapt...as when trading in real life. Compounding is a beautiful thing |
Ione Hunt
Storm Solutions
6
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Posted - 2014.03.31 18:28:00 -
[69] - Quote
Forgot to mention: Daredevil with 150mm and a faction web |
Weed Guy
Space Kush Dispensary
11
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Posted - 2014.04.01 03:34:00 -
[70] - Quote
You will never defeat the almighty interceptor! Bwhahaha! give up now! |
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Luwc
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
82
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Posted - 2014.04.01 12:33:00 -
[71] - Quote
I PRESENT TO YOU THE BRAND NEW
CARACAL
ALSO NEWLY ADDED IS THE HURRICANE IN BOTH THE AC/NEUT OR INSTA ARTY VARIANTS. |
Ione Hunt
Storm Solutions
8
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Posted - 2014.04.01 18:54:00 -
[72] - Quote
Luwc wrote:I PRESENT TO YOU THE BRAND NEW
CARACAL
ALSO NEWLY ADDED IS THE HURRICANE IN BOTH THE AC/NEUT OR INSTA ARTY VARIANTS.
Not a huge fan of the arty hurricane. If you miss and don't take them down fast, you're easy pray as you can't dictate range.
Granted, it's a lot more expensive, but a Cynabal is the much better option if you want 720s.
Hate having to warp out after only 1-2 salvos. |
Skelee VI
Wraithguard. Dirt Nap Squad.
42
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Posted - 2014.04.29 13:49:00 -
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You may think it a bit bit crazy but you can kill inties in a crucifier! When you damp them they have to get closer :) |
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