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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1558
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Posted - 2013.12.07 20:29:00 -
[1171] - Quote
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:velocity bonus to missiles or ship?
explosion velocity so its like a tracking bonus. helps apply damage but has only 6 launcher dps.
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
181
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Posted - 2013.12.07 20:29:00 -
[1172] - Quote
Caldari/Minmatar faction ships. Mordus Legion. This will only be the layout for the battleship.
Doru
Caldari Battleship Bonuses: 5% bonus to Cruise and Torpedo Launcher rate of fire
Minmatar Battleship Bonuses: 7.5% bonus to shield boost amount
Role bonuses: 50% bonus to remote shield repairer amount 100% bonus to remote shield repairer range 25% bonus to Cruise Missile and Torpedo explosion velocity 25% bonus to Cruise Missile and Torpedo explosion radius 20% decrease in ship signature radius
Slot layout: 7H, 6M, 6L; 0 turrets, 6 launchers Fittings: 10250 PWG, 880 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull): 9950 / 8050 / 9900 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : ? / ? / ? Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 118 / ? / ? / ? Drones (bandwidth / bay): 75 / 75 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 90km / ? / 8 Sensor strength: 26 LADAR Sensor Strength Signature radius: 420 Cargo Capacity: 700
Like that? Doesn't sem a bit OP then? |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1558
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Posted - 2013.12.07 20:47:00 -
[1173] - Quote
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:Caldari/Minmatar faction ships. Mordus Legion. This will only be the layout for the battleship.
Doru
Caldari Battleship Bonuses: 5% bonus to Cruise and Torpedo Launcher damage
Minmatar Battleship Bonuses: 7.5% bonus to shield boost amount
Role bonuses: 50% bonus to remote shield repairer amount 100% bonus to remote shield repairer range 25% bonus to Cruise Missile and Torpedo explosion velocity 25% bonus to Cruise Missile and Torpedo explosion radius
Slot layout: 7H, 7M, 5L; 0 turrets, 6 launchers Fittings: 10250 PWG, 880 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull): 9950 / 8050 / 9900 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : ? / ? / ? Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 118 / ? / ? / ? Drones (bandwidth / bay): 75 / 75 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 90km / ? / 8 Sensor strength: 26 LADAR Sensor Strength Signature radius: 336 Cargo Capacity: 700
made a few slight adjustments just built in the reduction of ship sig into the ship and replaced the rate of fire bonus with damage to bring the overall dps slightly down. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
182
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Posted - 2013.12.07 20:53:00 -
[1174] - Quote
I think with a explosion radius AND velocity bonus, it's going to be OP still. Maybe a missile velocity bonus instead? |
Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
383
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Posted - 2013.12.07 21:11:00 -
[1175] - Quote
So we've seen all the posts on how the Nestor should be.
Here's how the SoE battleship will be:
Gallente Battleship: +100% bonus per level to whinging about how much drones suck and blasters can't hit anything
Caldari Battleship: +100% bonus to whinging about how much missiles suck these days
Armarr Battleship: +100% bonus per level to levels of whinging about how much lasers use too much cap and suck so much compared to blasters
Minmatar Battleship: +100% bonus per level to whinging about how the vagabond is no longer the most powerful HAC.
Role bonus: +1000% to "look, I spent too much isk on a bling battleship, please gank me!" factor.
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Thaddeus Eggeras
TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
182
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Posted - 2013.12.07 21:13:00 -
[1176] - Quote
Well someone sounds like they need a hug huh |
Zvaarian the Red
Evil Leprechaun Brigade
180
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Posted - 2013.12.07 22:42:00 -
[1177] - Quote
Mournful Conciousness wrote:So we've seen all the posts on how the Nestor should be. Here's how the SoE battleship will be: Gallente Battleship: +100% bonus per level to whinging about how much drones suck and blasters can't hit anything Caldari Battleship: +100% bonus to whinging about how much missiles suck these days Armarr Battleship: +100% bonus per level to levels of whinging about how much lasers use too much cap and suck so much compared to blasters Minmatar Battleship: +100% bonus per level to whinging about how the vagabond is no longer the most powerful HAC. Role bonus: +1000% to "look, I spent too much isk on a bling battleship, please gank me!" factor.
WTF is "whinging"? |
Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
383
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Posted - 2013.12.07 23:14:00 -
[1178] - Quote
Zvaarian the Red wrote:Mournful Conciousness wrote:So we've seen all the posts on how the Nestor should be. Here's how the SoE battleship will be: Gallente Battleship: +100% bonus per level to whinging about how much drones suck and blasters can't hit anything Caldari Battleship: +100% bonus to whinging about how much missiles suck these days Armarr Battleship: +100% bonus per level to levels of whinging about how much lasers use too much cap and suck so much compared to blasters Minmatar Battleship: +100% bonus per level to whinging about how the vagabond is no longer the most powerful HAC. Role bonus: +1000% to "look, I spent too much isk on a bling battleship, please gank me!" factor. WTF is "whinging"? English for whining
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/whinging
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
2347
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Posted - 2013.12.08 00:01:00 -
[1179] - Quote
Maybe drop the exploration bonuses and give it a team support role with a 60k ship hangar, 1k corp hangar. Then weaken the remote armor bonus to a -50% capacitor need, keep the energy weapon bonus and maybe add a flavour choice of +2 warpcore strength, -100% reduction of scan resolution penalty from cloaks and/or the ability to use command links. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
647
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Posted - 2013.12.08 01:49:00 -
[1180] - Quote
Mournful Conciousness wrote:
The Brits are quite fond of extra letters with no function.
They are more fond of beating us yanks over the head about it. |
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Xequecal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2013.12.08 04:25:00 -
[1181] - Quote
To be honest, there's really nothing they can do with the Nestor. SoE LP is trading at 3,000-3,500 ISK/LP, and the ship doesn't even exist yet. That means the Nestor is going to have a price of 2.2-2.7 billion at minimum, probably even higher since the release of the Nestor will spike demand. At this price point, it's simply unusable unless it's made grossly overpowered. None of the "balanced" fits posted here have any chance of being flown, they could put +500% repair amount, +500% repair range, -75% cap use on remote reppers, 20% drone damage/level on it and it would still be crap because even those stats aren't worth spending 3 billion on the hull. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1388
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Posted - 2013.12.08 04:30:00 -
[1182] - Quote
Would it help make the ship useable if they gave it a covops jump drive with a brand-new "SoE bridge generator" that can only be used by SoE ships, a clone bay, an SoE-only AoE doomsday that fully repairs all allied ships within 100km (useable once an hour), made the ring on the front rotate and gave it roving searchlights underneath? |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
647
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Posted - 2013.12.08 04:40:00 -
[1183] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Would it help make the ship useable if they gave it a covops jump drive with a brand-new "SoE bridge generator" that can only be used by SoE ships, a clone bay, an SoE-only AoE doomsday that fully repairs all allied ships within 100km (useable once an hour), made the ring on the front rotate and gave it roving searchlights underneath?
As silly as all of that is, it would almost make it worth the price. |
Aitu
Complex Systems
0
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Posted - 2013.12.08 06:42:00 -
[1184] - Quote
Step 1: Make black ops able to create short lived (4 hours?) Wormholes that lead to a random system. The module has a long cool down ( also 4 hours?). Now Black Ops are useful in wormhole space.
Step 2: Make the Nestor a Black Ops ship. Now the scan bonuses make sense. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
647
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Posted - 2013.12.08 06:45:00 -
[1185] - Quote
Aitu wrote:Step 1: Make black ops able to create short lived (4 hours?) Wormholes that lead to a random system. The module has a long cool down ( also 4 hours?). Now Black Ops are useful in wormhole space.
Step 2: Make the Nestor a Black Ops ship. Now the scan bonuses make sense.
Scan bonuses on a battleship make no sense, ever. |
Aitu
Complex Systems
0
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Posted - 2013.12.08 06:59:00 -
[1186] - Quote
Aitu wrote:Step 1: Make black ops able to create short lived (4 hours?) Wormholes that lead to a random system. The module has a long cool down ( also 4 hours?). Now Black Ops are useful in wormhole space.
Step 2: Make the Nestor a Black Ops ship. Now the scan bonuses make sense.
Ok, I know making the Nestor a Black Ops when it is just a faction BS is skipping a step, so step 2 could be make a blops version of the Nestor. The Nestor will be on par with other faction BS if a little confused but the blops version makes sense. |
Aitu
Complex Systems
0
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Posted - 2013.12.08 07:10:00 -
[1187] - Quote
Onictus wrote:Aitu wrote:Step 1: Make black ops able to create short lived (4 hours?) Wormholes that lead to a random system. The module has a long cool down ( also 4 hours?). Now Black Ops are useful in wormhole space.
Step 2: Make the Nestor a Black Ops ship. Now the scan bonuses make sense. Scan bonuses on a battleship make no sense, ever.
Scan bonuses would make sense on a day tripping BS. Especially a RR group.
They do not make sense on a ship that can't move to explore safely. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
647
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Posted - 2013.12.08 07:17:00 -
[1188] - Quote
Aitu wrote:Aitu wrote:Step 1: Make black ops able to create short lived (4 hours?) Wormholes that lead to a random system. The module has a long cool down ( also 4 hours?). Now Black Ops are useful in wormhole space.
Step 2: Make the Nestor a Black Ops ship. Now the scan bonuses make sense. Ok, I know making the Nestor a Black Ops when it is just a faction BS is skipping a step, so step 2 could be make a blops version of the Nestor. The Nestor will be on par with other faction BS if a little confused but the blops version makes sense.
Doesn't need to be a full blops, just needs a jump drive.
....the screams about the train for JDC V will be legendary if they did it though. |
Rain6636
Team Evil
832
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Posted - 2013.12.08 07:51:00 -
[1189] - Quote
Onictus wrote:Aitu wrote:Aitu wrote:Step 1: Make black ops able to create short lived (4 hours?) Wormholes that lead to a random system. The module has a long cool down ( also 4 hours?). Now Black Ops are useful in wormhole space.
Step 2: Make the Nestor a Black Ops ship. Now the scan bonuses make sense. Ok, I know making the Nestor a Black Ops when it is just a faction BS is skipping a step, so step 2 could be make a blops version of the Nestor. The Nestor will be on par with other faction BS if a little confused but the blops version makes sense. Doesn't need to be a full blops, just needs a jump drive. ....the screams about the train for JDC V will be legendary if they did it though. that would be funny Rainf1337 on Twitch |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6738
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Posted - 2013.12.08 08:03:00 -
[1190] - Quote
I really don't think allowing the ship to use 10 drones would even be overpowered, as long as it could only field 10 mediums or smalls. It would also work nicely with a bonus to repair drones too (in keeping with the logistics idea). In fact I'd really, really prefer this over yet another sentry battleship. You can blop sentry battleships. You can't blob with combat drones, they'll just get smartbombed.
It would also be such a novelty that a lot of players would really want to fly one, instead of this complete mess we have now. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
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Aitu
Complex Systems
0
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Posted - 2013.12.08 08:11:00 -
[1191] - Quote
Black ops only needs JDC 4? I may be a little bias, because I can almost fly them, but I would say blops only because they really lose out in wormholes. Also, mass limits. |
Roy Alleyne
Dark Horizon Logistics and Intelligence Mortem Sigil
8
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Posted - 2013.12.08 09:58:00 -
[1192] - Quote
A jump drive, especially a covert capable one, would be a massive boost to the Nestor's ability to travel around Kspace but wouldn't help it at all in Wspace, where its reduced mass will really shine. A cloaked movement bonus would allow the Nestor to travel much more quickly from wormhole to wormhole, scouting its way through and running any sites it finds. I think a lot of us agree that the probe bonus is nothing more than a curiosity as no self respecting BS pilot would fly through hostile space without a scout, but the virus strength bonus and reduced mass would make it viable for running wh ghost sites and supporting a small fleet in combat. The major problem though is it would spend far to much time exposed and vulnerable without a cloak speed bonus to allow it to avoid detection and align cloaked. |
Savira Terrant
Forsaken Identity Unchained.
71
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Posted - 2013.12.08 10:26:00 -
[1193] - Quote
Roy Alleyne wrote:A jump drive, especially a covert capable one, would be a massive boost to the Nestor's ability to travel around Kspace but wouldn't help it at all in Wspace, where its reduced mass will really shine. A cloaked movement bonus would allow the Nestor to travel much more quickly from wormhole to wormhole, scouting its way through and running any sites it finds. I think a lot of us agree that the probe bonus is nothing more than a curiosity as no self respecting BS pilot would fly through hostile space without a scout, but the virus strength bonus and reduced mass would make it viable for running wh ghost sites and supporting a small fleet in combat. The major problem though is it would spend far to much time exposed and vulnerable without a cloak speed bonus to allow it to avoid detection and align cloaked.
So you don't agree that no WH-dweller in their right mind would use even a cloaked battleship for scouting? Very well. You are obliged to that.
Does one really need a Battleship for Ghost sites? How so? I never did one, so please enlighten me. I believe that the Stratios is more than enough for hacking the other sites. Even if you want to sit there and tank them, while your fleet finishes off the Sleepers. The drone damage is also questionable regarding wormhole sites.
So while the mass might be a nice gimmic, I'd say spare it for a ship that is really useful and desinged towards wormholes and make the Nestor a ship that supports exploration in known space.
A battleship designed for WH use (PVE!) would then have:
- a weaponsystem, that doesn't need cap (other than drones) - instead of a dronebay brings T2 smartbomb range to whatever the Sleeper-frigates orbit range is - be armor tanked to leave medslots for ewar or cap mods - a damage profile that can be evened out easily (I would say with omni resists, but I guess that will never happen to a non special edition ship) - lots of basehitpoints to eliminate the need for a plate - that nifty reduced mass.
And even that design would not need a cloak bonus, because it will die even if it has one and meets a tackler on the other side. It is still a battleship! . |
Roy Alleyne
Dark Horizon Logistics and Intelligence Mortem Sigil
8
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Posted - 2013.12.08 10:55:00 -
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Savira Terrant wrote:Roy Alleyne wrote:A jump drive, especially a covert capable one, would be a massive boost to the Nestor's ability to travel around Kspace but wouldn't help it at all in Wspace, where its reduced mass will really shine. A cloaked movement bonus would allow the Nestor to travel much more quickly from wormhole to wormhole, scouting its way through and running any sites it finds. I think a lot of us agree that the probe bonus is nothing more than a curiosity as no self respecting BS pilot would fly through hostile space without a scout, but the virus strength bonus and reduced mass would make it viable for running wh ghost sites and supporting a small fleet in combat. The major problem though is it would spend far to much time exposed and vulnerable without a cloak speed bonus to allow it to avoid detection and align cloaked. So you don't agree that no WH-dweller in their right mind would use even a cloaked battleship for scouting? Very well. You are obliged to that. Does one really need a Battleship for Ghost sites? How so? I never did one, so please enlighten me. I believe that the Stratios is more than enough for hacking the other sites. Even if you want to sit there and tank them, while your fleet finishes off the Sleepers. The drone damage is also questionable regarding wormhole sites. So while the mass might be a nice gimmic, I'd say spare it for a ship that is really useful and desinged towards wormholes and make the Nestor a ship that supports exploration in known space. A battleship designed for WH use (PVE!) would then have: - a weaponsystem, that doesn't need cap (other than drones) - instead of a dronebay brings T2 smartbomb range to whatever the Sleeper-frigates orbit range is - be armor tanked to leave medslots for ewar or cap mods - a damage profile that can be evened out easily (I would say with omni resists, but I guess that will never happen to a non special edition ship) - lots of basehitpoints to eliminate the need for a plate - that nifty reduced mass. And even that design would not need a cloak bonus, because it will die even if it has one and meets a tackler on the other side. It is still a battleship!
My Impression of putting the virus stregth bonus on a Battleship hull is for use in high level Ghost sites since you don't need to travel very far for the first can and can survive the damage. I agree with you that the Stratios performs extremely well for Data/Relic sites both in wh and Kspace and has been shown to handle Ghost sites but only by sacrificing a lot for added tank.
Drone use in whs is more difficult than anywhere else but is still effective. As the only weapon system, drones will get eaten by sleepers but when your ship can draw aggro with turrets of its own and is careful to keep its drones within easy recall range then they are still viable as a weapon system. Both of these capabilities are within the Nestor's capability by deploying sentries for long/med ranges and light drones for frigates that get close.
To be clear I don't want to restrict the Nestor into wh exploration. I am an exploration pilot that spends about the same amount of time roaming low, null, and wh and enjoy each for their challenges and rewards. I mearly wish to allow the Nestor to reach its full potential and see as much of the universe as I do. |
Savira Terrant
Forsaken Identity Unchained.
71
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Posted - 2013.12.08 11:37:00 -
[1195] - Quote
Roy Alleyne wrote:
My Impression of putting the virus stregth bonus on a Battleship hull is for use in high level Ghost sites since you don't need to travel very far for the first can and can survive the damage. I agree with you that the Stratios performs extremely well for Data/Relic sites both in wh and Kspace and has been shown to handle Ghost sites but only by sacrificing a lot for added tank.
Drone use in whs is more difficult than anywhere else but is still effective. As the only weapon system, drones will get eaten by sleepers but when your ship can draw aggro with turrets of its own and is careful to keep its drones within easy recall range then they are still viable as a weapon system. Both of these capabilities are within the Nestor's capability by deploying sentries for long/med ranges and light drones for frigates that get close.
To be clear I don't want to restrict the Nestor into wh exploration. I am an exploration pilot that spends about the same amount of time roaming low, null, and wh and enjoy each for their challenges and rewards. I mearly wish to allow the Nestor to reach its full potential and see as much of the universe as I do.
Thanks for the clarification. Would you mind to be a bit more specific regarding the Stratios(or any really) fit needed to survive the Ghost sites in a wormhole? Otherwise I will not be able to consider whether I would stick to the Stratios or even cheaper or afford a Nestor instead. (I am not saying the price is important for the balancing, just a personal descision for this usecase.)
You make a good point about the drones there. I am of the personal opinion that any PVE fitting should be optimized for income. The first part of the income equation is of course ISK/h. Since I think there is a second part, being how long you can concentrate on the given task, I optimize my fitting not for dps, but ease of use with then as much dps left as possible. This especially comes in handy in environments where being ganked while doing PVE is more than likely since avoiding or otherwise reacting to the threat is more important than finishing a plex/anom/mission/whatever a minute quicker. This is why drones are out of question for use against Sleepers in my opinion. And a ship designed towards WH use would also accomodate to the fact that using drones on Sleepers is really demanding. Hence my opinion on the current Nestor design regarding WH use, which was kind of proposed by CCP as far as I know (did not watch the stream myself).
Edit: I never tried this, but will Logistic Drones draw aggro from Sleepers or other NPC? . |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
572
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Posted - 2013.12.08 12:01:00 -
[1196] - Quote
Very nice design, finaly we have the ship that have no ups and downs, only back and front. Protect yourself from CONCORD today! Tinfoil hats, quality product. Styled after pirate hats. |
Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
384
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Posted - 2013.12.08 12:37:00 -
[1197] - Quote
Savira Terrant wrote:
... You make a good point about the drones there.
... This is why drones are out of question for use against Sleepers in my opinion. And a ship designed towards WH use would also accomodate to the fact that using drones on Sleepers is really demanding. Hence my opinion on the current Nestor design regarding WH use, which was kind of proposed by CCP as far as I know (did not watch the stream myself).
Edit: I never tried this, but will Logistic Drones draw aggro from Sleepers or other NPC?
drones are perfectly fine in WH space vs sleepers. Sleepers tend to target ECM ships, target painters, high dps and drones in that order. I use an ishtar with gardes in c3 space with no problem - i lose one every 20 sites or so.
It's not the drones that make the Nestor unusable in WH space, it's the shininess. This is what will happen in my corp if one is seen on d-scan:
Scout: "Nestor on d-scan, not in POS" FC: "OMFG! CALL EVERYONE, I DON'T CARE IF THEY'RE ASLEEP, CTA! 2Billion on the killboard coming up, Wooooo!"
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Roy Alleyne
Dark Horizon Logistics and Intelligence Mortem Sigil
8
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Posted - 2013.12.08 12:38:00 -
[1198] - Quote
Savira Terrant wrote:Roy Alleyne wrote:
My Impression of putting the virus stregth bonus on a Battleship hull is for use in high level Ghost sites since you don't need to travel very far for the first can and can survive the damage. I agree with you that the Stratios performs extremely well for Data/Relic sites both in wh and Kspace and has been shown to handle Ghost sites but only by sacrificing a lot for added tank.
Drone use in whs is more difficult than anywhere else but is still effective. As the only weapon system, drones will get eaten by sleepers but when your ship can draw aggro with turrets of its own and is careful to keep its drones within easy recall range then they are still viable as a weapon system. Both of these capabilities are within the Nestor's capability by deploying sentries for long/med ranges and light drones for frigates that get close.
To be clear I don't want to restrict the Nestor into wh exploration. I am an exploration pilot that spends about the same amount of time roaming low, null, and wh and enjoy each for their challenges and rewards. I mearly wish to allow the Nestor to reach its full potential and see as much of the universe as I do.
Thanks for the clarification. Would you mind to be a bit more specific regarding the Stratios(or any really) fit needed to survive the Ghost sites in a wormhole? Otherwise I will not be able to consider whether I would stick to the Stratios or even cheaper or afford a Nestor instead. (I am not saying the price is important for the balancing, just a personal descision for this usecase.) You make a good point about the drones there. I am of the personal opinion that any PVE fitting should be optimized for income. The first part of the income equation is of course ISK/h. Since I think there is a second part, being how long you can concentrate on the given task, I optimize my fitting not for dps, but ease of use with then as much dps left as possible. This especially comes in handy in environments where being ganked while doing PVE is more than likely since avoiding or otherwise reacting to the threat is more important than finishing a plex/anom/mission/whatever a minute quicker. This is why drones are out of question for use against Sleepers in my opinion. And a ship designed towards WH use would also accomodate to the fact that using drones on Sleepers is really demanding. Hence my opinion on the current Nestor design regarding WH use, which was kind of proposed by CCP as far as I know (did not watch the stream myself). Edit: I never tried this, but will Logistic Drones draw aggro from Sleepers or other NPC?
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Zvaarian the Red
Evil Leprechaun Brigade
182
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Posted - 2013.12.08 13:04:00 -
[1199] - Quote
Why not give the Nestor the cloaking bonus of a Black Ops ship without the rest? Then it can be cloaky (by BS standards) while not actually duplicating T2 abilities fully. This idea makes a lot more sense to me than RR bonuses. |
Zvaarian the Red
Evil Leprechaun Brigade
182
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Posted - 2013.12.08 13:06:00 -
[1200] - Quote
Mournful Conciousness wrote:Savira Terrant wrote:
... You make a good point about the drones there.
... This is why drones are out of question for use against Sleepers in my opinion. And a ship designed towards WH use would also accomodate to the fact that using drones on Sleepers is really demanding. Hence my opinion on the current Nestor design regarding WH use, which was kind of proposed by CCP as far as I know (did not watch the stream myself).
Edit: I never tried this, but will Logistic Drones draw aggro from Sleepers or other NPC?
drones are perfectly fine in WH space vs sleepers. Sleepers tend to target ECM ships, target painters, high dps and drones in that order. I use an ishtar with gardes in c3 space with no problem - i lose one every 20 sites or so. It's not the drones that make the Nestor unusable in WH space, it's the shininess. This is what will happen in my corp if one is seen on d-scan: Scout: "Nestor on d-scan, not in POS" FC: "OMFG! CALL EVERYONE, I DON'T CARE IF THEY'RE ASLEEP, CTA! 2Billion on the killboard coming up, Wooooo!"
Wormhole spotters FTW. |
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