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Savira Terrant
Valhollr
181
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Posted - 2014.01.01 21:03:00 -
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First of all: Did rise ninja edit the 7th highslot into it or did I actually fail to realise it from the start?!
This fat-ass, high-sig ship gives me horrors when trying to justify it as a Logistics platform... even if it were exactly like a Guardian only in a BS hull, it would need like 5 times the EHP (added solely by higher resists) to make it survivable as one. It even has less range, thus sits in the optimal of the hostiles, including the new fancy Armageddon only fleets which suck carriers empty in about 30 seconds.
Really CCP, you made such lovely ships with the Astero and Stratios. Build upon those and don't try to fit a square peg into a round hole.
Please make this ship a real versatile support ship for low alpha environments, where the big hull is not a hinderance to it's survivability in such a role. I actually started liking the idea of being able to fit warfare links (albeit without any bonuses) as a support role.
In the end we would optimally be able to decide between maximum damage output by using all turret slots & drones for damage, using all highs and drones for maximum reps, giving up 6 highs and 5 meds (thus damage/rep and projection) for a variety of warfare links or[/i any combination we desire in between. For example doing only around 600 turret damage, while having one webrange link and one target painter strength link fitted and repping my fellow with drones. Other combinations are of course quite possible.
A ship like that can actually be made by not giving any actual bonuses to the three roles and is an alternative proposal to my previous more specialised one:
[quote]NESTOR
Amarr Battleship Bonuses: 4% Armor resistances per level
Gallente Battleship Bonuses: 75% MJD reactivation time bonus per level
Special abilities:
Can fit Warfare Link modules Can jump to Covert Cynosaural Fields Cruiser size ship bay
Slot layout: 6H, 6M, 6L; 6 turrets, 0 launchers +rest of stats to be balanced for it, if needed.
This would have: when fitted for max damage - 1001 dps before implants when fitted for max remoterep - 6capstable large remote reps + 5 large bots if you so desire when fitted for 6 unbonused warfare links: up to 468 drone damage [i]or 5 large repdrones capable to pull off 538 - or more if you spend into resists - omni defense on another Nestor or Stratios by themselves, switchable on the fly.
This flexibility in support roles (yes, damage is a support role when talking about exploration) would make this ship really unique. And each role can be scaled to need specification in relation to the other two. It is still specialised in that it is only a support plattform for very small groups of players in need of the versatility, since even a few additional players make just combining other, cheaper ships more desirable.
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
191
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Posted - 2014.01.01 21:18:00 -
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Its role bonuses should be:
150% bonus to Armor Repair Drone effectiveness 50% bonus to Large Energy Turret range 50% increased strength for scan probes 70% reduction to Micro Jump Drive activation time and reactivation delay +20 virus strength for relic and data analyzers
And give it a jump drive "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
sabastyian
Death By Design
16
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Posted - 2014.01.02 00:13:00 -
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:Its role bonuses should be: 150% bonus to Armor Repair Drone effectiveness 50% bonus to Large Energy Turret range 50% increased strength for scan probes 70% reduction to Micro Jump Drive activation time and reactivation delay +20 virus strength for relic and data analyzers And give it a jump drive Yes, lets make it do less damage then a dominix, give it a RR bonus to drones do minimal dps with turrets and get a useless scan bonus......... you truly are a special case..... |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
191
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Posted - 2014.01.02 00:30:00 -
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sabastyian wrote:Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:Its role bonuses should be: 150% bonus to Armor Repair Drone effectiveness 50% bonus to Large Energy Turret range 50% increased strength for scan probes 70% reduction to Micro Jump Drive activation time and reactivation delay +20 virus strength for relic and data analyzers And give it a jump drive Yes, lets make it do less damage then a dominix, give it a RR bonus to drones do minimal dps with turrets and get a useless scan bonus......... you truly are a special case..... Hey, I can justify all of this- look at it in a better light.
The dominix's only bonused weapons system is drones- this is supposed to be able to use energy turrets and drones together, or just one or the other (look at the navy domi). Having the RR bonus on Rep drones frees up slots for turrets, and makes a logi nestor be able to fight with turrets while repping allies. The scan bonus and virus strength are staying no matter what, according to rise, so I left them and made one better.
Don't throw around insults if you can't understand someone's reasoning.
Also, at least you don't have any deep wisdom about how the MJD bonus is unnecessary
So I assume you want something more like this?
50% bonus to Large Energy Turret range 50% bonus to drone tracking and optimal range 25% bonus to Large Energy Turret damage
Can fit Covert Ops Cloak
That's too simple and boring- and while DPS could be increased, the ship is SoE- it's new and just a little bit different than the rest- just look at the Astero and Stratios. The Nestor with these stats:
NESTOR
Amarr Battleship Bonuses: 4% bonus to armor resistances per level
Gallente Battleship Bonuses: 10% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints per level
Role Bonuses: 150% bonus to Armor Repair Drone effectiveness 50% bonus to Large Energy Turret range 50% increased strength for scan probes 70% reduction to Micro Jump Drive activation time and reactivation delay +20 virus strength for relic and data analyzers
Slot layout: 7H, 6M, 6L; 5 turrets, 0 launchers Fittings: 11250 PWG, 680 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull): 8900 / 9950 / 9900 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 6200 / 1044 / 5.9 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 92 / .18 / 56000000 / 13.97 Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 500 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 85km / 115 / 7 Sensor strength: 24 Magnetometric Signature radius: 465 Cargo Capacity: 825 Fuel Bay Capacity:1250
Would make for a much more mobile and useful/versatile ship that could be used in many more situations than just pew pew.
MJD and Jump Drive for mobility (MJD to be able to escape gatecamps somewhat), Rep Drones for fighting while repping allies if you want to, and +20 virus strength to make it more reasonable (although still a completely daft idea) to use for exploration.
Or just use combat drones and turrets together to fight (most likely at range) alone.
I don't just pull these ideas out of my ass- I put thought into these things. "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Joker Dronemaster
Frontier Explorer's League Nulli Secunda
26
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Posted - 2014.01.02 04:07:00 -
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This thread is starting to need CPR. i wish a blue would go ahead and post............. something. Actually I take that back, i wish a blue would post something useful. |
HiddenPorpoise
BG-1 The Craniac
139
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Posted - 2014.01.02 06:58:00 -
[1716] - Quote
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote: 10% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints per level 150% bonus to Armor Repair Drone effectiveness
I do hope you're a troll. |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
199
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Posted - 2014.01.02 07:22:00 -
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HiddenPorpoise wrote:Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote: 10% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints per level 150% bonus to Armor Repair Drone effectiveness
I do hope you're a troll. What do you mean?
The Damage/HP bonus is aimed at combat drones, and the armor repair drone amount bonus is aimed at repair drones- all my suggestion allows if for rep drones to be the logistics side of the ship, as opposed to using up the high slots by using RR's without any sort of cap use bonus.
You don't have to use logistics drones or RR mods- I know I likely won't be- but this was my idea to free up more on the ship. "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
199
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Posted - 2014.01.02 07:23:00 -
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Joker Dronemaster wrote:This thread is starting to need CPR. i wish a blue would go ahead and post............. something. Actually I take that back, i wish a blue would post something useful. You and me both- none of us know where this is going anymore- I want Rise to say something "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
I am disposable
Republic University Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2014.01.02 07:40:00 -
[1719] - Quote
Joker Dronemaster wrote:This thread is starting to need CPR. i wish a blue would go ahead and post............. something. Actually I take that back, i wish a blue would post something useful.
The story of every feedback thread they start nowadays. |
Savira Terrant
Valhollr
181
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Posted - 2014.01.02 10:08:00 -
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Uriel, I already know your opinion. Please stop posting your stats over and over again... If you have a new proposal post it once and discuss it, please. No need to post it again and again, especially when someone else had the exact same idea earlier. . |
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
199
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Posted - 2014.01.02 12:06:00 -
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Savira Terrant wrote:Uriel, I already know your opinion. Please stop posting your stats over and over again... If you have a new proposal post it once and discuss it, please. No need to post it again and again, especially when someone else had the exact same idea earlier. Sorry
And who else said that? I want to look at it too I guess I'll go back and look for it. "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
200
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Posted - 2014.01.02 12:09:00 -
[1722] - Quote
CCP is back from holiday now, so maybe we'll get some response soon! "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Vivi Udan
Multiplex Gaming Li3 Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.01.02 14:28:00 -
[1723] - Quote
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:CCP is back from holiday now, so maybe we'll get some response soon!
*SoonGäó* |
Ian Stanley
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.01.02 15:07:00 -
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i hope to test them in SiSi in January. |
elitatwo
Congregatio
193
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Posted - 2014.01.02 17:46:00 -
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Ian Stanley wrote:i hope to test them in SiSi in January.
Sorry, I had to.. signature |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
201
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Posted - 2014.01.02 23:44:00 -
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Vivi Udan wrote:Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:CCP is back from holiday now, so maybe we'll get some response soon! *SoonGäó* Yeah, Rise ignores all of these threads "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1649
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Posted - 2014.01.03 00:26:00 -
[1727] - Quote
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:CCP is back from holiday now, so maybe we'll get some response soon!
umm hopefully.
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
I am disposable
Republic University Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2014.01.03 03:16:00 -
[1728] - Quote
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:CCP is back from holiday now, so maybe we'll get some response soon!
I hope you aren't holding your breath. |
Allaera
Oh Bugga League 0f Grumpy 0ld Farts
13
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Posted - 2014.01.03 07:06:00 -
[1729] - Quote
Not likely, I'm holding someone else's breath.....past experience and all that |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8063
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Posted - 2014.01.03 13:02:00 -
[1730] - Quote
There hasn't been a dev reply in this thread in four weeks. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
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Allaera
Oh Bugga League 0f Grumpy 0ld Farts
13
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:49:00 -
[1731] - Quote
Oh, well in that case its early days yet.....(oooh, did I just say that out loud? ) |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1650
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Posted - 2014.01.03 16:51:00 -
[1732] - Quote
I just poked rise on twitter hopefully he will update soonish... though there is a substantial amount of reading i would think he has to do first. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Savira Terrant
Valhollr
181
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Posted - 2014.01.03 18:03:00 -
[1733] - Quote
From the CSM Meeting Minutes in August 2013:
Quote:CCP expressed that they will not introduce new ships with clearly overlapping roles in the future.
That was a good joke! . |
Momiji Sakora
Omni Galactic
12
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Posted - 2014.01.04 01:13:00 -
[1734] - Quote
If they're not keen on adding a Maintenance Bay for a small shuttle/frigate sized ship. Perhaps a small Fleet Hangar and Fleet Fitting option would be really handy for flying expeditions with corpies. |
Bibosikus
Flowery Twats
184
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Posted - 2014.01.04 22:49:00 -
[1735] - Quote
Apparently the Nestor has been withdrawn? The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |
HiddenPorpoise
BG-1 The Craniac
142
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Posted - 2014.01.05 01:37:00 -
[1736] - Quote
Bibosikus wrote:Apparently the Nestor has been withdrawn? Based on? |
I am disposable
Republic University Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2014.01.05 05:55:00 -
[1737] - Quote
Bibosikus wrote:Apparently the Nestor has been withdrawn?
Is that a statement or a question? I certainly see nothing on any site confirming any such thing. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Polarized.
1247
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Posted - 2014.01.05 13:03:00 -
[1738] - Quote
Give the Nestor a Clone Vat Bay with a 30 capsule capacity. +1 |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
539
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Posted - 2014.01.05 14:49:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote: there is a substantial amount of reading i would think he has to do first. edit with update: CCP Fozzie wrote:Rise is still on vacation. He'll be back next week.
not really nothing new has been said since his last post. just people recycling the same ideas again and again. the design is fine and the only thing that will limit it's use in pvp is the price/performance mesh is unlikely to be popular. here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY |
MukkBarovian
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
11
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Posted - 2014.01.05 17:41:00 -
[1740] - Quote
The price/performance mesh on all the SOE ships is currently out of whack. This is less a problem with ship design and more an issue of supply and demand in an emerging market.
The Nestor is interesting to me because of its low mass. I don't feel its overpowered or underpowered at the moment. But I wouldn't be happy to buy one at 2 bil for the hull. So its time to wait for the markets to work their magic and see if the price in a few months is decent.. |
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