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I am disposable
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.06 01:10:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote:MeBiatch wrote: there is a substantial amount of reading i would think he has to do first. edit with update: CCP Fozzie wrote:Rise is still on vacation. He'll be back next week. not really nothing new has been said since his last post. just people recycling the same ideas again and again. the design is fine and the only thing that will limit it's use in pvp is the price/performance mesh is unlikely to be popular.
Oh yeah it's perfectly fine if you are into hangar decorations... |
Legion40k
Boris Johnson's Love Children
60
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Posted - 2014.01.06 16:22:00 -
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Ladels and Jellyspoons the Nestor is now available to stare at on Sisi...
bleurgh
more bleurgh
description makes me sad. also the shuttle is actually there.
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Damien White
Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel
61
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Posted - 2014.01.06 17:30:00 -
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Does it still have these useless stats and bonuses? 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling,
"DO A BARREL ROLL!" |
Alundil
The Unnamed. The NME Alliance
372
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Posted - 2014.01.06 20:38:00 -
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Legion40k wrote:Ladels and Jellyspoons the Nestor is now available to stare at on Sisi... bleurghmore bleurghdescription makes me sad. also the shuttle is actually there. =[
I can live with the design - tbh. Who spends that much time looking at the ship hulls anyway? But.....that description.....my god. Who wrote that tripe? Good grief. That...that is 'B" movie sci-fi schtick.
Ugh
I was hopeful that this might be a fun and useful ship to look at. However if it resembles its current form (stats/utility) on SiSi then it'll be another BS class hull I'll never bother expending the time/ISK to acquire.
(Note to CCP: read this as MOST of the T1 BS hulls are superfluous and overshadowed or outclassed by either 2-3 BS hulls or by the improvements made to the cruiser/BC class hulls with few exceptions and the pirate BS hulls are pointlessly expensive and bring nothing truly meaningful to the table other than niche usage - looking at Bhaalgorn - aside from lvl 4 mission runners - and lets not get started on the marauders shall we).
Le sigh..... Clone mechanics enchancements Deep Space Probe Revival |
Red Garsk
25
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Posted - 2014.01.06 22:02:00 -
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First of all I would like to say that I am very impressed by the visuals of the ship, it simply looks amazing and completely inline with the other two Sisters Of Eve ships.
On first glance there are a few things I would like to point out.
1.) Ship icon has a Caldari (Blue) background, which needs to be changed to the Gallante background to make it fit the other two Sisters Of Eve ship icons.
2.) In my opinion it needs to have it's scanning bonus replaced with a bonus that benefits combat or, keep the scanning bonus and add a covert ops cloaking ability to it. Let me clarify that this ship is going to be very expensive, first estimates put it at around 2 to 3 billion isk and no one is going to use it to scan something unless it can cloak and scan in safety, just like the other two Sisters Of Eve ships and the already established covert ops scanning frigates and the T3 Sub System setups. This ship will never see a wormhole without a Covert Ops Cloak with the current price tag. The price tag definately makes up for it when having the ability to use a Covert Ops Cloak. It also has 5 turret hardpoints, leaving 2 slots for something else, which could be filled with a Probe Launcher and a Covert Ops Cloak, making it an excellent choice for wormholes, which is is advertised for, having low mass and all.
3.) I personally feel that CCP really needs to listen to the community when releasing new assets into the game. I understand that they have a vision and a plan but when you release something like this, CCP really needs to take more consideration on what the player base is telling them. We all think it's an amazing ship, but the pricetag doesn't make it worth it, it lacks a Covert Ops, and if only CCP would listen and understand that whe you release a ship with low mass, thereby advertising it to the wormhole community, that you then, listen to the Wormhole community when they give you feedback... So... CCP, LISTEN TO US !!!
Give your feedback guys... It needs a bit more love. |
Savira Terrant
Valhollr
181
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Posted - 2014.01.06 22:09:00 -
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I wish this ship had never happened. Then we could all continue to celebrate the Astero and Nestor, instead of looking at those two as a reminder that they also have an ugly and utterly useless big brother with a description written someone who did not know what the actual use or properties it's going to have. Whoever wrote that wasn't the least bit excited by that ship, clearly evidenced by the lame background for this thing.
Then the first passage emphasises on the stay hidden part so much, that you have to assume it actualy has an ability to back that up. Much of the middle passage was just gameplay/storyline irrelevant babble or dumping real world popular words like alternate power sources and renewable sources onto the reader for who-knows-what reason...
No, let me stop right here. The whole description just reads like it was made to justify everything that went wrong with the ships gameplay and visual design.
Come on CCP. If the shuttle does not have a (even stroyline) reason to be there just remove it from the mesh. You can't be that poor. Because it makes total sense:
Quote:SOE developement boss: "Okay, people! The designgoals of this ship is to stay hidden, while rescuing people from everywhere they could happen to be endangered."
Some designer at SOE: "Hey gotcha, added a rescue-shuttle and shuttle-bay to the Nestor design... ready to go anywhere!"
Engineer: "Oi, we did not manage to give this ship the resources to handle a covert cloak or give it any other cloak bonus, but instead we magically reduced the mass of the Nestor so it will be totally save wherever it will go! Oh, and also there is absolutely no need for a shuttle anymore, since the Nestor itself will now be able to land on planets and snuggle into space structures to rescue people... all hail the space magic!"
Designer: "But... wait! It took so much work to design this really cool bay and shuttle! I want, want, want!"
Boss: "Okay, okay. We leave the shuttle in the plans. But after each and every Nestor is built, we will send in an engineer to mothball this useless piece of trash! Mh, but not being able to cloak might pose a problem... how will we keep it save and hidden now?"
Enineer: "I have the perfect idea! We give this thing remote repairing amount bonus to boot and also a range bonus for good measure. That will show them!"
Boss: "Okay. I never heard of an SOE operation supporting agressors with free spareparts, but if no one has a better idea let's do this. Now what will we do about the low scan resolution then? It would need the best of all battleships, to even remotely compete with the logistics cruisers out there!
Guy from marketing: "Stop right there! We don't have development budget left, but with the right marketing we can sell this piece of s... I mean wonderfully designed beautiful hull as a trophy for capsuleer hangars!"
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marVLs
563
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Posted - 2014.01.06 22:34:00 -
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So still those bad and boring bonuses with bad design of hull? (players show here 10x better models). Well not interested |
Divi Filus
New Xenocracy
3
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Posted - 2014.01.06 22:50:00 -
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Fun fact: current Nestor build has a 0m3 Ship Maintenance Bay. It can't fit anything, obviously, but it can be used to refit other ships. Not sure whether this is a holdover from the placeholder stats, and whether it will make it into final design, but it's there now. |
SFM Hobb3s
Vanguard Frontiers Black Legion.
48
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Posted - 2014.01.06 22:55:00 -
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Honestly if they'd just put a jump drive on it I'd be happy, even if the only combat bonus was the optimal range of fireworks.
I would totally jump this and fill space with fireworks just to make someone carp their pants |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8144
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Posted - 2014.01.06 23:25:00 -
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Savira Terrant wrote:From the CSM Meeting Minutes in August 2013: Quote:CCP expressed that they will not introduce new ships with clearly overlapping roles in the future. That was a good joke! But they gave it several roles that each overlap with other ships. This ship can do everything! And it won't be good for anything! My EVE Videos |
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
238
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Posted - 2014.01.06 23:40:00 -
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This ship REALLY needs a jump drive.
That and/or a MJD activation time and cooldown reduction.
70% reduction to activation time and cooldown time of MJD would help a lot on this ship.
And like I said before, RR should be shifted to drones, so instead of: 50% bonus to remote armor repairer amount 100% bonus to remote armor repairer range
Do: 150% bonus to effectiveness of armor repair drones 70% reduction to activation time and cooldown time of MJD would help a lot on this ship. "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Marsan
Caldari Provisions
197
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Posted - 2014.01.07 00:38:00 -
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Honestly I can't see using this ship for anything that justifies it's price. Really what you need to decide is it an RR logi BS or an exploration ship? In any case the laser bonus is just silly.
Logi BS Amarr Battleship Bonuses: 4% Armor resistances per level
Gallente Battleship Bonuses: 10% drone damage and hitpoints per level 10% logi drone boost per level
Role bonuses: 50% bonus to remote armor repairer amount 50% Cap transfer 200% bonus to remote armor repairer range
Exploration BS Amarr Battleship Bonuses: 4% Armor resistances per level
Gallente Battleship Bonuses: 10% drone damage and hitpoints per level
Role bonuses: 50% bonus to remote armor repairer amount 50% increased strength for scan probes +10 virus strength for relic and data analyzers Can fit Cover Ops Cloaking devices
In the case of #2 you can reasonably do exploration even if there are many more sane ships to do so. What you do get is a cloaky Battle Ship that can join the various BLOPs config providing tanking, drone, and some logi. The ideal vessel to bring along with your bomber wing hunting indys and ratters in hostile space. With a mjd it might be an interest ship to get in close with heavy drones (assuming they get rebalanced), or be a sentry sniper. The lack of the portal still give BLOPs a purpose.
Also I think it need a speed buff in either the form of a MJD bonus, raw speed or MWD bonus. Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
238
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Posted - 2014.01.07 00:51:00 -
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I posted this one before, but I really want people to see it- I think this could work well for it and nearly justify the price tag:
NESTOR
Amarr Battleship Bonuses: 4% bonus to armor resistances per level
Gallente Battleship Bonuses: 10% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints per level
Role Bonuses: 150% bonus to Armor Repair Drone effectiveness 50% bonus to Large Energy Turret range 50% increased strength for scan probes 70% reduction to Micro Jump Drive activation time and reactivation delay +20 virus strength for relic and data analyzers "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Mhari Dson
Lazy Brothers Inc
102
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:14:00 -
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MukkBarovian wrote:The price/performance mesh on all the SOE ships is currently out of whack. This is less a problem with ship design and more an issue of supply and demand in an emerging market.
The Nestor is interesting to me because of its low mass. I don't feel its overpowered or underpowered at the moment. But I wouldn't be happy to buy one at 2 bil for the hull. So its time to wait for the markets to work their magic and see if the price in a few months is decent..
With SoE's current LP to isk conversion it'll be highly unlikely for this to be less than a 2b hull unless the LP price gets cut by at least 20% |
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
1358
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:17:00 -
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It needs to have an SMA just big enough to fit a shuttle. |
Alstevar Eastern
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:59:00 -
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Now for me, the back vertical wings look too thin with the opposite ring, increase horizontal design of these can make a better visual. If you change that, i have no more problem with the top ring. |
Red Garsk
26
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Posted - 2014.01.07 06:05:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:It needs to have an SMA just big enough to fit a shuttle.
I would love that idea.
As far as using the ship... I would use it in wormholes if it had a covert ops cloak. My biggest issue with the stats right now are the scanning bonuses because there is no way in hell that someone would take this ship and scan with it and then risk the ship to warp to signatures / wormholes... especially in wormholes... Because you never ever know what you are going to find. So in essence, you can scan signatures but you will never ever use it to warp to one because of the risk v.s reward. This is the main reason why people in wormholes use Covert Ops scouts.
CCP needs to listen to the community instead of holding on to this design idea / vision and completely ignoring what we say. I would use the ship, just not in its current form. |
Implying Implications
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
415
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Posted - 2014.01.07 10:00:00 -
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What is the point of this ship? Signed, Implying |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Polarized.
1250
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Posted - 2014.01.07 10:41:00 -
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So the ship is on sisi and it still looks ugly and has crap stats... what was the point of this thread? +1 |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
2718
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Posted - 2014.01.07 10:55:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:So the ship is on sisi and it still looks ugly and has crap stats... what was the point of this thread? It slices, it dices, itGǪ Wait - I'm thinking of the kitchen appliance. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
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I am disposable
Republic University Minmatar Republic
43
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:03:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:So the ship is on sisi and it still looks ugly and has crap stats... what was the point of this thread?
What is the point of any feedback thread started by CCP? I'm starting to think they only start them to create the illusion that we are being listened to. The rapid launcher thread has gotten no response in months, and they are now ignoring this thread the same way. We really are wasting our time here. |
Allaera
Oh Bugga League 0f Grumpy 0ld Farts
14
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Posted - 2014.01.07 13:35:00 -
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Implying Implications wrote:What is the point of this ship?
Well let's see.....umm.......hmm.....well, it's got 2 pointy bits at the front but that's about as much "point" as this thing has at the moment
Oh, hahaha my mate just said "seems to be trying to look Sansha........and failing at that too!!"
CCP really need to get their s#%t wired and listen to those that want to fly this (myself included) because in it's current iteration Nestor is not even worth looking at and yes, I do like the look of it but looking good serves exactly zero purpose in New Eden.
I'm not going to put forward my thoughts on how Nestor should be set out, plenty of people have done that already and all I'd be doing is rehashing what has already been put forward.
I will say this however - "CCP, for the love of all that is holy pull out whatever you have stuffed in your ears and pay attention, there are some great ideas in this thread that will make Nestor more than the high sec showboat that it is currently. We really want to fly Nestor just not YOUR Nestor!! |
Joan Greywind
No Swag Initiative
267
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Posted - 2014.01.07 13:39:00 -
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Maybe if it costs 500m instead of 2b? |
WhyTry1
Bredrin
81
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Posted - 2014.01.07 14:18:00 -
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Really dont like the big circle thingies on the SOE ships, looks a little odd. |
Kasife Vynneve
Nourwolf Corporation Fortis Et Certus
11
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Posted - 2014.01.07 15:03:00 -
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Implying Implications wrote:What is the point of this ship?
ISK Sink and Shiny Killmail decoration |
Spugg Galdon
APOCALYPSE LEGION The Obsidian Front
361
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Posted - 2014.01.07 15:19:00 -
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I am disposable wrote:Rek Seven wrote:So the ship is on sisi and it still looks ugly and has crap stats... what was the point of this thread? What is the point of any feedback thread started by CCP? I'm starting to think they only start them to create the illusion that we are being listened to. The rapid launcher thread has gotten no response in months, and they are now ignoring this thread the same way. We really are wasting our time here.
I diagree. CCP has shown that they do listen to these forums. The problem has been timing for this subject. They released the stats for this just before Christmas and Icelanders have a VERY long Christmas vacation. Hopefully now that people have returned to work they will catch up on the feed back and start considering changes to be made to this hull.
If we hear nothing from now until 1.1 and they release the Nestor as is. Then I will lose faith. |
Red Garsk
30
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Posted - 2014.01.07 15:53:00 -
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It really needs a Covert Ops Cloak. The scanning bonus is utter useless otherwise. No exploration focused pilot is going to take this ship and explore unknown sigantures with it, it's just not going to happen.
The pricetag on the ship justifies it having a Covert Ops Cloak. I would even go as far as to say that with a Covert Ops Cloak it will replace my current setup in wormholes just because everything else on the ship is perfect for what I do in wormholes. |
I am disposable
Republic University Minmatar Republic
46
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Posted - 2014.01.07 16:37:00 -
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Spugg Galdon wrote:I am disposable wrote:Rek Seven wrote:So the ship is on sisi and it still looks ugly and has crap stats... what was the point of this thread? What is the point of any feedback thread started by CCP? I'm starting to think they only start them to create the illusion that we are being listened to. The rapid launcher thread has gotten no response in months, and they are now ignoring this thread the same way. We really are wasting our time here. I diagree. CCP has shown that they do listen to these forums. The problem has been timing for this subject. They released the stats for this just before Christmas and Icelanders have a VERY long Christmas vacation. Hopefully now that people have returned to work they will catch up on the feed back and start considering changes to be made to this hull. If we hear nothing from now until 1.1 and they release the Nestor as is. Then I will lose faith.
I guess you missed the rapid launcher thread... |
Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
443
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Posted - 2014.01.07 17:55:00 -
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I am disposable wrote:Spugg Galdon wrote:I am disposable wrote:Rek Seven wrote:So the ship is on sisi and it still looks ugly and has crap stats... what was the point of this thread? What is the point of any feedback thread started by CCP? I'm starting to think they only start them to create the illusion that we are being listened to. The rapid launcher thread has gotten no response in months, and they are now ignoring this thread the same way. We really are wasting our time here. I diagree. CCP has shown that they do listen to these forums. The problem has been timing for this subject. They released the stats for this just before Christmas and Icelanders have a VERY long Christmas vacation. Hopefully now that people have returned to work they will catch up on the feed back and start considering changes to be made to this hull. If we hear nothing from now until 1.1 and they release the Nestor as is. Then I will lose faith. I guess you missed the rapid launcher thread...
Just because people with a vested interest whine, this does not make a decision wrong.
Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
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Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
443
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Posted - 2014.01.07 18:03:00 -
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Having said that, I do agree that the Nestor is no more use than a pool of dog vomit on a freshly laundered bedspread.
Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
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