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Lagartija Nick
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.03 21:29:00 -
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Hello fellow capsuleers,
As asked in the subject line I am curious as to the state of the great Sleeper mystery. It appears to me that this mystery was never solved and that pilots have moved on, shrouding it in the dust of a bygone era.
I am kicking around the idea of forming a corporation with the sole purpose of solving this long standing riddle.
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
5510
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Posted - 2013.12.04 00:48:00 -
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You might do better by operating in the style of a consortium instead of a corp-- that's to say, taking the folks who're keen and pooling intel. There's a lot out there, and it'd be very handy to have contributions from the vets who've been keen on this for a while. Rhavas would be one to tap, for instance. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs |
Lagartija Nick
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.04 01:34:00 -
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Absolutely, in addition to hosting the folks that would actually be interested in pursuing the goal full time, the corporation would also act as an Archive to those who were chasing the goal outside of the corporation.
I have no interest in glory, isk, or anything outside of solving the riddle. Working with capsuleers outside of the corporation itself, especially those with prior knowledge and familiarity with the subject would be absolutely essential to the mission.
Your response tells me that there are others actually out there still interested, does this mean that the puzzle itself has not been abandoned?
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Roga Dracor
Ultramarine Corp
576
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Posted - 2013.12.04 03:25:00 -
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It has not. Though the Devs have kept it ambiguous enough to remain a mystery.. Archeology is not an exact science, though it uses exacting science to support it.. The problem has been that many want a concise resolution, to which there may be none.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
714
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Posted - 2013.12.04 12:12:00 -
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CCP has invested greatly in cultivating the "mystery" as to keep people interested in the game. As such, it cannot be solved.
Though, by that I do not mean people should stop theory crafting; it is those speculations that drive the Eve Storyline forward. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
3587
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Posted - 2013.12.04 18:36:00 -
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Ram a ship into a sleeper enclave or talocan station and start poking ****. Seriously...youd get answers quicker doing that than hoping CCP ever moves the story forward with the vocal angry GRRR BALANCE GAEM ONLY NO LORE BALANCE AND NUL SCREW STORYLINE NERF IT KICK OFF LORE CAREBEARS U MAD? LOLOLOL.
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Lagartija Nick
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.04 19:08:00 -
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Please correct me if I am wrong, but I am under the impression that CCP is theoretically waiting for the players to make a discovery or figure some part of the story out before pushing it forward? |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
3588
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Posted - 2013.12.04 19:17:00 -
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Technically yes. But imo there's only so much we can discover without CCP doing something like a live event or having a dev actor make weirdness happen in wspace in reaction to a player. Weve been prodding through wspace for years and weve found jack and ****.
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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
715
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Posted - 2013.12.04 21:01:00 -
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Lagartija Nick wrote:Please correct me if I am wrong, but I am under the impression that CCP is theoretically waiting for the players to make a discovery or figure some part of the story out before pushing it forward? Three years ago, I believed the same.
Then I grew up. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Esna Pitoojee
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
340
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Posted - 2013.12.04 21:41:00 -
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In my opinion, the best 'shot' we had at 'solving' the Sleeper storyline was during the Arek'Jalaan project; indeed, I'd say a decent percentage of what players know was collected, corroborated, and listed out in a fairly scientific fashion during the height of this project. During this time, players could volunteer themselves (as individuals or teams) to take the lead on studying various aspects of W-space, the sleepers, or other aspects of EVE's 'ancient lore'. Their reports, if of decent quality, would be accepted into the final collection of projects and possibly even commented on by Hillen Tukoss, the CCP Actor persona running the project.
This last method was CCP's best way of bringing the mystery to light, as even subtle encouragements could give players a hint as to where they should be looking; the actual heavy work, though, was still done by player groups.
Unfortunately, the original project - and any attempt to run anything like it - were hit by several blows. - The publishing of the Templar One novel basically spoon-fed us critically important bits of lore that were only just beginning to be discovered by players in Arek'Jalaan (for instance, the nature and relationships of the Sleepers, Enhedduani, and Jove). Products of hours of player effort were instead handed out within a few pages. - CCP Dropbear, responsible for the project and the Hillen Tukoss character, left his position at CCP. - Finally, CCP recently decided that any appearance of a CCP Live Event actor or character within a player channel somehow represents "unfair bias" towards the people running the channel. In the Arek'Jalaan Project, this was avoided by allowing any to submit their own projects and operate their own channels for consideration - don't like one project? Make your own; several quality projects were born of this concept. |
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Lagartija Nick
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.05 05:18:00 -
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Esna, do you think the big reveal has already happened? It almost sounds as if this was somehow leading into the DUST 514 release. This is sounding more like the Gallente elections where there was a huge event and alot of excitement but little follow through. |
Da'iel Zehn
Evil Frosty's Premium Liqours and Fine Wines
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Posted - 2013.12.05 16:30:00 -
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Templar One by Tony Gonzales sheds some light on the Sleepers as Esna mentioned.
This is a helpful timeline. I believe T1 stands for Templar One. Daniel Zehn Keeper of Evil Frosty |
Esna Pitoojee
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
340
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:07:00 -
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The entire Sleeper mystery has not been totally revealed; there are still a significant number of questions that Arek'Jalaan was working on (for instance, the nature of the Sleeper-Talocan link, what is the 'quarantine' the Sleepers were executing and what was it against, or some of the mysteries surrounding the Oruze Osobnyk and Mirror wormhole sites) which have not yet been solved; these the mysteries I lament being unsolved, as A'J was good fun digging up what we do know about them.
The link Da'iel gave gives a good collection of the striaght-up info gained from WH space and Templar One. if you would like, Lagartija, I can evemail you a short summary of what Templar One's 'story' for the Sleepers/Jove/etc was, along with what we'd discovered in A'J and what some of the speculation was before the project closed. |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
5515
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:22:00 -
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If I could get that evemail as well, it'd be appreciated...? Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs |
Trioxis
Veyr The Veyr Collective
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:58:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:If I could get that evemail as well, it'd be appreciated...?
I would like a copy of that as well if it's not too much to ask? |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
5515
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Posted - 2013.12.05 23:30:00 -
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Da'iel Zehn wrote:Templar One by Tony Gonzales sheds some light on the Sleepers as Esna mentioned. This is a helpful archive. I believe T1 stands for Templar One. I have a feeling there won't be any kind of "big reveal." Though I'd love if there was something like that.
Can verify; T1 references are all Templar One.
That said, this text is an excellent reference list, but also includes supposition and theory not fully separated from its reference lists.
Still, it does carry some very solid verification that Architects = Sleepers and not Jove, or perhaps inclusive of Static Jove. Further, it supports the idea that the 'quarantine' is perhaps of New Eden/the Jove/Jovian Disease. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs |
Vran DalEsra
Vran DalEsra Corporation
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Posted - 2013.12.06 00:07:00 -
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Fascinating. I've always been interested in knowing more about them.
If any sort of group or corporation is formed, please send me an invitation. |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
717
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Posted - 2013.12.06 11:29:00 -
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To toot my own horn; As part of A'J, one of the many projects I contributed to was Project Enigma which tried to gather the pieces we have and present answers. My A'J master piece being The Sleeper - Jovian Connection.
Of course, due to the limited amount of data available and the obvious limited possibility to gather more, these articles are based on far too many speculations to pass as real scientific articles. Still, the articles were written before Templar One was released and many of the conclusions we presented were confirmed by the book. In fact, I do not think the book contradicts any information in the articles, but of course, that does not necessarily mean that ALL of the conclusions in the articles necessarily are true.
It should also be noted that the articles are (trying) to work with only the information that your Eve character would have access to (IC information). If A'J had continued on, we could have used articles like these as base for further IC discussions and new hypothetical scenarios and perhaps getting closer to solving The Mystery. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
5515
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Posted - 2013.12.06 16:49:00 -
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Yaaaay, reading material! :D
By the way-- so. Those Sleeper LCOs that have file systems. How were those accessed? Were they just there on show info, or did folks have to scan/hack/whatever 'em? Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs |
Dreygun
Alexylva Paradox
12
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Posted - 2013.12.07 04:44:00 -
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Jowen Datloran wrote:To toot my own horn; As part of A'J, one of the many projects I contributed to was Project Enigma which tried to gather the pieces we have and present answers. My A'J master piece being The Sleeper - Jovian Connection. Of course, due to the limited amount of data available and the obvious limited possibility to gather more, these articles are based on far too many speculations to pass as real scientific articles. Still, the articles were written before Templar One was released and many of the conclusions we presented were confirmed by the book. In fact, I do not think the book contradicts any information in the articles, but of course, that does not necessarily mean that ALL of the conclusions in the articles necessarily are true. It should also be noted that the articles are (trying) to work with only the information that your Eve character would have access to (IC information). If A'J had continued on, we could have used articles like these as base for further IC discussions and new hypothetical scenarios and perhaps getting closer to solving The Mystery.
Thank you for that, its amazing in all my time searching for every scrap of Sleeper lore and speculations that i never stumbled on that little gem in anything other than some vague references. |
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