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Abisha Baboli
Solvency Conglomerate
5
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Posted - 2013.12.05 21:58:00 -
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face it, those ships need a Overhaul. first of all, the costs. Skillbook=30 to 35 Mil. Ship 150 Mil
damn, man can buy a Freighter for that money that have 50 times the amount of cargo space. also it's frustrated to see, gallante have superior Haulers Kryos or Miasmos anyone?, those 2 have 9 damn times the hauling Capability of ANY other Hauler ingame, not to talk about those 10% per level while the others only got 5%
Give the Other races, something to Like faster warp, super agility whatever or do Dev's only fly Gallante??.
away, back to topic. Tech II Haulers, most be made easier to learn, cheaper to produce, hell trow a couple of 1000'sm3 to the hull, walla problems solved. |

Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
780
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:01:00 -
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wut?
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Paranoid Loyd
University of Caille Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:04:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
5689
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:05:00 -
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It's almost like they have some other advantages instead of just having increased cargo space.  |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17635
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:07:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:It's almost like they have some other advantages instead of just having increased cargo space.  This.
Also, OP, if your freighter cost 150M, I'm willing to take it off your hands for 175M (especially if it's one of those 1.5M m-¦ ones) GÇö that's a 17% profit for you! Oh, and if you have any walla problems, turning off station sounds usually helps. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
305
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:08:00 -
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No. |

Abisha Baboli
Solvency Conglomerate
5
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:10:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:It's almost like they have some other advantages instead of just having increased cargo space. 
Kryos or Miasmos are Super Massive BlackHole Overpowered compare to the others. a Miasmos have almost the same cargo capability as a Orca.
fully skills, Miamos can carry 67.000m3 where is you'r Orca now?? |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17635
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:16:00 -
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Abisha Baboli wrote:fully skills, Miamos can carry 67.000m3 where is you'r Orca now?? Fully skilled, without even fitting any modules, an Orca can carry 527,500m-¦. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14754
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:16:00 -
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I too would like a freighter for 150 million isk, please provide details of the seller who is knocking them out at such a heavily discounted price. I am furnishing this post "as is" I do not provide any warranty whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any relevance or fitness for purpose or any warranty that the contents herein are error-free.
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Paranoid Loyd
University of Caille Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:18:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Abisha Baboli wrote:fully skills, Miamos can carry 67.000m3 where is you'r Orca now?? Fully skilled, without even fitting any modules, an Orca can carry 527,500m-¦.
Not to mention EHP |
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Abisha Baboli
Solvency Conglomerate
5
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Abisha Baboli wrote:fully skills, Miamos can carry 67.000m3 where is you'r Orca now?? Fully skilled, without even fitting any modules, an Orca can carry 527,500m-¦.
really man, if you know nothing about a subject don't post. maintenance bay is not even worthy to type |

Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
98
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:22:00 -
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Didn't blockade runners JUST get buffed? They have a pretty high warp speed now. Or rather, the high warp speed that they already had is now relevant. |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
813
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:26:00 -
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Abisha Baboli wrote:Tippia wrote:Abisha Baboli wrote:fully skills, Miamos can carry 67.000m3 where is you'r Orca now?? Fully skilled, without even fitting any modules, an Orca can carry 527,500m-¦. really man, if you know nothing about a subject don't post. maintenance bay is not even worthy to type Even without that there is still 120km3 if I understand correctly before skills between the other holds. Also 70,000m3 of that can hold things other than ore, vs the 550m3 of the Miasmos. |

Abisha Baboli
Solvency Conglomerate
5
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:27:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:Didn't blockade runners JUST get buffed? They have a pretty high warp speed now. Or rather, the high warp speed that they already had is now relevant.
my mammoth only got nerfed, it used to be 5.5 Au now only 4.25 Au |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14754
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:27:00 -
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Abisha Baboli wrote:Tippia wrote:Abisha Baboli wrote:fully skills, Miamos can carry 67.000m3 where is you'r Orca now?? Fully skilled, without even fitting any modules, an Orca can carry 527,500m-¦. really man, if you know nothing about a subject don't post. maintenance bay is not even worthy to type You should take your own advice, and stop posting. I am furnishing this post "as is" I do not provide any warranty whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any relevance or fitness for purpose or any warranty that the contents herein are error-free.
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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance
1109
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:28:00 -
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I heard you can train Gallente on every race now. In fact, you only need Gallente Industrial 1.
Also, you missed the rebalance about 3 months ago. You should have spoke up then. They actually listened to our comments to add special bays to the T1 industrials. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17636
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:30:00 -
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Abisha Baboli wrote:really man, if you know nothing about a subject don't post. maintenance bay is not even worthy to type Ok. Let's cut out all the special holds.
Orca: 77,500 m-¦ Miasmos: 550 m-¦
Or was it just the ship hold that was unfair? Ok. Orca: 127,500m-¦ Miasmos: 63,550m-¦
So, you were sayingGǪ? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
98
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:31:00 -
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Abisha Baboli wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:Didn't blockade runners JUST get buffed? They have a pretty high warp speed now. Or rather, the high warp speed that they already had is now relevant. my mammoth only got nerfed, it used to be 5.5 Au now only 4.25 Au
A mammoth is a T1 Hauler.
Blockade runners went from ~35s to do a 20AU jump to ~25s.
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65418/1/numbers_table.png
And you can actually boost these speeds now, too. |

Abisha Baboli
Solvency Conglomerate
5
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:34:00 -
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Zifrian wrote:I heard you can train Gallente on every race now. In fact, you only need Gallente Industrial 1.
Also, you missed the rebalance about 3 months ago. You should have spoke up then. They actually listened to our comments to add special bays to the T1 industrials.
yea, can learn it in like 5 mins. but god man seen how freaking UGLY they are?. this is just pure puching player base into a direction, thought this was a Sandbox? or do it become a cheap themepark MMO. only have to look at a color=BiS? I want my Mammoth to have something special like Kryos or Miasmos. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14754
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:35:00 -
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The Mammoth does have something special over all the other races T1 industrials, wingy bits. I am furnishing this post "as is" I do not provide any warranty whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any relevance or fitness for purpose or any warranty that the contents herein are error-free.
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Abisha Baboli
Solvency Conglomerate
5
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:36:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:Abisha Baboli wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:Didn't blockade runners JUST get buffed? They have a pretty high warp speed now. Or rather, the high warp speed that they already had is now relevant. my mammoth only got nerfed, it used to be 5.5 Au now only 4.25 Au A mammoth is a T1 Hauler. Blockade runners went from ~35s to do a 20AU jump to ~25s. http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65418/1/numbers_table.pngAnd you can actually boost these speeds now, too.
yea at the cost of what 200 mil total?. might as well slam a other 200 mil against it and fly a freighter. |

Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
98
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:38:00 -
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By this logic might as well not buy a freighter or a hauler at all.
Just use Red Frog.
They only charge 500k per jump with a small flat pickup fee attached. Unless you plan on doing something like 1000 jumps in a Freighter (god that would take a LONG LONG time) - you're better off just hiring help.
(Also, Freighters are like a billion ISK, not 400m - making the breakeven by using a freighter service more like 2,000 jumps....) |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17636
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:41:00 -
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Abisha Baboli wrote:yea at the cost of what 200 mil total?. Aha, so that's how your dealer manages to sell his freighters for 150M GÇö he's overcharging you massively on the transports.
Quote:might as well slam a other 200 mil against it and fly a freighter. Freighters come with cloaks and frigate-like agility and warp speed now? On top of their 1.5M m-¦ holds and 150M ISK price tags? Daym! GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
165
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:42:00 -
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The fact that the OP doesn't know the difference between a Freighter and an Industrial tells me everything I need to know about this topic. |

Abisha Baboli
Solvency Conglomerate
5
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:45:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:The fact that the OP doesn't know the difference between a Freighter and an Industrial tells me everything I need to know about this topic.
lets see, they both have cargo space..... and fly. nope no difference. |

Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
98
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:47:00 -
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Abisha Baboli wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:The fact that the OP doesn't know the difference between a Freighter and an Industrial tells me everything I need to know about this topic. lets see, they both have cargo space..... and fly. nope no difference.
yeah, it's not like one of those categories can fit modules, and even a covert ops cloak 
while the other category can fit umm....Nothing. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14755
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:48:00 -
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Abisha Baboli wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:The fact that the OP doesn't know the difference between a Freighter and an Industrial tells me everything I need to know about this topic. lets see, they both have cargo space..... and fly. nope no difference. By that metric a noobship is OP, since it has cargo space, flies and is above all free.
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Abisha Baboli
Solvency Conglomerate
5
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:49:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:Abisha Baboli wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:The fact that the OP doesn't know the difference between a Freighter and an Industrial tells me everything I need to know about this topic. lets see, they both have cargo space..... and fly. nope no difference. yeah, it's not like one of those categories can fit modules, and even a covert ops cloak  while the other category can fit umm....Nothing.
really Cloak really handy in High sec. really............
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17636
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:52:00 -
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Abisha Baboli wrote:really Cloak really handy in High sec. really............ Very much so, yes.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Abisha Baboli
Solvency Conglomerate
5
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:53:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Abisha Baboli wrote:yea at the cost of what 200 mil total?. Aha, so that's how your dealer manages to sell his freighters for 150M GÇö he's overcharging you massively on the transports. Quote:might as well slam a other 200 mil against it and fly a freighter. Freighters come with cloaks and frigate-like agility and warp speed now? On top of their 1.5M m-¦ holds and 150M ISK price tags? Daym!
just the basic price in Amarr, or other trade hubs. overcharged or not, that what they sell for.. |
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Abisha Baboli
Solvency Conglomerate
5
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Abisha Baboli wrote:really Cloak really handy in High sec. really............ Very much so, yes.
I just a guy that need tons of m3, transported from A to B. without fancy cloaks or whatever. at the cheapest posable way. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14755
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:57:00 -
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Abisha Baboli wrote:Tippia wrote:Abisha Baboli wrote:really Cloak really handy in High sec. really............ Very much so, yes. I just a guy that need tons of m3, transported from A to B. without fancy cloaks or whatever. at the cheapest posable way. Red Frog or PushX, both cheaper than buying your own freighter, and you get your money regardless of whether or not it gets delivered, if you set the collateral right. I am furnishing this post "as is" I do not provide any warranty whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any relevance or fitness for purpose or any warranty that the contents herein are error-free.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17636
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Posted - 2013.12.05 22:59:00 -
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Abisha Baboli wrote:overcharged or not, that what they sell for.. Amarr you say? Ok.
Prorator GÇö 86M. Crane GÇö 137M. Viator GÇö 135M. Prowler GÇö 140M (or just be smart and get it for 84M).
So if you're paying 200M, you're being massively overcharged.
Quote:I just a guy that need tons of m3, transported from A to B. without fancy cloaks or whatever. at the cheapest and fastest possible way. So there are a ton of viable ships, and a couple of them (unsurprisingly) fit your particular needs in this case, whereas the others will fit your needs in other cases. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Abisha Baboli
Solvency Conglomerate
5
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Posted - 2013.12.05 23:08:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Abisha Baboli wrote:overcharged or not, that what they sell for.. Amarr you say? Ok. Prorator GÇö 86M. Crane GÇö 137M. Viator GÇö 135M. Prowler GÇö 140M (or just be smart and get it for 84M). So if you're paying 200M, you're being massively overcharged. Quote:I just a guy that need tons of m3, transported from A to B. without fancy cloaks or whatever. at the cheapest and fastest possible way. So there are a ton of viable ships, and a couple of them (unsurprisingly) fit your particular needs in this case, whereas the others will fit your needs in other cases.
try now a Bustard.
still i appropriate you're help. and before you ask, i only have Caldari Industrial V. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14757
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Posted - 2013.12.05 23:16:00 -
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Bustard in Jita 135 Million, it's between 120 and 130 elsewhere.
BTW the Bustard is a DST, not a BR. I am furnishing this post "as is" I do not provide any warranty whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any relevance or fitness for purpose or any warranty that the contents herein are error-free.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17638
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Posted - 2013.12.05 23:17:00 -
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Abisha Baboli wrote:try now a Bustard. GǪwhich isn't a blockade runner and which is overpriced in Amarr by 20M (you get it for 130:ish in Gallente or Caldari space). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
2335
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Posted - 2013.12.05 23:18:00 -
[37] - Quote
Someone forgot to flush or what is this thread doing here? Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |

Laetitia Nzero
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
85
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Posted - 2013.12.05 23:20:00 -
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OP HighSec only player. Just doesn't understand :-( Bring you huge capacity, cheap freighter into syndicate or any other nullsec, let's see what happens  |

Lugia3
Emerald Inc.
662
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Posted - 2013.12.05 23:27:00 -
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The ret4rdation is strong with this one. |

Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
503
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Posted - 2013.12.05 23:28:00 -
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Am I too late for the 175M freighters? I'll take 5. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
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The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
138
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Posted - 2013.12.05 23:39:00 -
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OP writing in character. |

Paranoid Loyd
University of Caille Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2013.12.05 23:45:00 -
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OP has obviously never been ganked, I will try to change that 
Maybe then she will realize the different advantages of the haulers...
Edit: NVM, OP has been ganked a few times, she is hopeless. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14758
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Posted - 2013.12.05 23:55:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:OP has obviously never been ganked, I will try to change that  Maybe then she will realize the different advantages of the haulers... Edit: NVM, OP has been ganked a few times, she is hopeless.  The OPs "fits" are nonetheless amusing 
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Paranoid Loyd
University of Caille Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2013.12.06 00:00:00 -
[44] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:OP has obviously never been ganked, I will try to change that  Maybe then she will realize the different advantages of the haulers... Edit: NVM, OP has been ganked a few times, she is hopeless.  The OPs "fits" are nonetheless amusing 
Yeah, definitely, but if you check my KB they are actually pretty standard fits for the I don't get eve but still pass judgement on mechanics crowd.  |

Bel Tika
Dirty Rotten Scoundrel's
28
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Posted - 2013.12.06 00:13:00 -
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I dont understand this post, maybe its because im new i dont know, the best thing i found in game so far for my alt was the miasmo's, im mining trying to make enough isk for my progression an at same time enough for his combat ships not even a days training and he was able to slip into one of them wee indy ships and come help me out by transporting some ore, is that a bad thing?
well actually it worst thing i ever bought him, bstrd keeps bumping me out the belts with it |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14758
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Posted - 2013.12.06 00:20:00 -
[46] - Quote
^^ Alts are evil bastards, next thing you know he'll be stealing all your stuff to feed his booster habit. I am furnishing this post "as is" I do not provide any warranty whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any relevance or fitness for purpose or any warranty that the contents herein are error-free.
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
228
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Posted - 2013.12.06 01:00:00 -
[47] - Quote
What we have is a player with a Mimatar character with an Amarr faction image in the profile image complaining about Gallente haulers. |

Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
759
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Posted - 2013.12.06 01:15:00 -
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OP, Tech 2 =/= Bigger better version of same ship.
For industrials, Tech 2 means specialisation. The Tech 2 industrials can do things that the ordinary ones can't.
On the one hand we have the Blockade Runner, small cargo, fast align/warp, high warp speed, covert ops cloaking ability, impossible to cargo scan.
This ship is ideal for transporting small valuable goodies, like ay expensive skillbooks, or blueprints, officer modules, and what have you. It is also ideal for going into dangerous areas of space to pick up goods, like for instance nullsec.
On the other hand, we have the DSTs, aka Deep Space Transports. Same kind of cargohold as Tech 1 regular cargoholds ( not specialised ones ), slow align and warp, but high resistances, so able to fit a heavy tank, and has +2 warp strength built into it.
While this ship suffers a bit in lack of obvious roles. Good uses for this are for instance moving stuff around in dangerous areas, where your +warp strength combined with 1 or 2 stabs will make it hard to catch you, while it's tank will be able to hold up against quite a lot of punishing enemy fire. It's cargohold is much larger than the BR, so it is a good choice if you don't want to make multiple trips with a BR. In highsec, this ship is also very useful, as it's heavy tank will allow you to move stuff with it while being relatively safe from gankers as it has a LOT more EHPs than a T1 hauler.
Oh, and since you seem to have never bothered with reading up on the overhaul of T1 industrials.. here's a short version:
1) Every race now has a 'small fast one' and a 'Big Slow one' 2) the 'spare' ones have all been given specialised cargo bays to carry stuff around with. I can't remember the exact names of the ships but these are the special bays that have been introduced: A) Ore B) PI goods C) Minerals ( I think ) D) Ammunition/charges
When moving these particular items, the specialised ships can't be beat really, by the regular haulers, which is exactly the idea for having a specialised role. All of the T1 indies still suffer from 1 thing though, they're not all that fast, but more importantly, they can't stand up to any decent amount of firepower. So ganking them in highsec for instance is quite easy by a solo ganker.
In order to alleviate that problem, there's the T2 industrials if you wish to be on a budget, or, you can simply shell out 1B isk for a Freighter, which carries 700-800k m3 of stuff and has a LOT of EHPS making it not that easily ganked unless the gankers bring in a team of multiple pilots.
A different option for this is also the Orca, which carries less, but is relatively more maneuverable/faster in warp, than a freighter, and slightly cheaper, and when it's not hauling goods, you can install links to boost mining operations.
Personally, I love both my Prowler and my Mastodon, and use them quite a lot. The Prowler I also often use as my travel ship for when I need to go somewhere, as when I do, I usually need to bring something along, or pick something up over there.
Btw, did I mention that Blockade Runners can also use Covert Jump Bridges?
PS: Fozzie, unnerve my Prowler, I used to have 9 au/sec warp speed, but now warp speed finally became relevant, it's only got 6 au.. I want my 9 au back so I can outrun interceptors!
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SickSeven
The Undead Righteous Knights
1
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Posted - 2013.12.06 02:06:00 -
[49] - Quote
My god the OP is right!
Did you know a Vargur can have a cargo space of 3875 m3 !
It must be nerfed! This damn ship is outclassing ships meant to move cargo! and I hear you can get one for 150mil isk! |

Old Phill
Republic University Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2013.12.06 02:20:00 -
[50] - Quote
Abisha Baboli wrote:face it, those ships need a Overhaul. first of all, the costs. Skillbook=30 to 35 Mil. Ship 150 Mil
damn, man can buy a Freighter for that money that have 50 times the amount of cargo space. also it's frustrated to see, gallante have superior Haulers Kryos or Miasmos anyone?, those 2 have 9 damn times the hauling Capability of ANY other Hauler ingame, not to talk about those 10% per level while the others only got 5%
Give the Other races, something to Like faster warp, super agility whatever or do Dev's only fly Gallante??.
away, back to topic. Tech II Haulers, most be made easier to learn, cheaper to produce, hell trow a couple of 1000'sm3 to the hull, walla problems solved.
Freighter under 200mil id love to hear where |
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Lilliana Stelles
993
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Posted - 2013.12.06 02:31:00 -
[51] - Quote
Despite that there is some true stupidity going on in this thread, there is also a point.
T2 industrials do need a rebalance. Some of them have either terrible capacity or slot layout. Not just bad, but terrible. And the heftier indys don't really have enough of a unique role in my opinion. You'll still get tackled, you'll still lose it, it just takes all of two people instead of one, and the EHP isn't all that great due to an awkard PG/CPU.
So there is definitely a rebalance in order.
Other than that I don't think the OP knows what he/she is talking about. Because these things are dirt cheap. My minnie blockade runners cost <90 mil as of last I checked. Not a forum alt.-á |

Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
761
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Posted - 2013.12.06 02:58:00 -
[52] - Quote
Sometimes I use a dedicated alt to haul ice in a Miasmos.
You can get 60K m3 in that thing. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. Captain Tardbar: The official grumpy cat of General Discussion. |

Faceless Parmala
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
11
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Posted - 2013.12.06 04:28:00 -
[53] - Quote
Abisha Baboli wrote:face it, those ships need a Overhaul. first of all, the costs. Skillbook=30 to 35 Mil. Ship 150 Mil
damn, man can buy a Freighter for that money that have 50 times the amount of cargo space. also it's frustrated to see, gallante have superior Haulers Kryos or Miasmos anyone?, those 2 have 9 damn times the hauling Capability of ANY other Hauler ingame, not to talk about those 10% per level while the others only got 5%
Give the Other races, something to Like faster warp, super agility whatever or do Dev's only fly Gallante??.
away, back to topic. Tech II Haulers, most be made easier to learn, cheaper to produce, hell trow a couple of 1000'sm3 to the hull, walla problems solved. Did I miss something? Did the freaghter market just crash? |

Mysttina
Alpha Spectres
7
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Posted - 2013.12.06 04:31:00 -
[54] - Quote
Crumplecorn wrote:Am I too late for the 175M freighters? I'll take 5.
I'll take 5 and increase the offer to 200M isk each 
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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
586
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Posted - 2013.12.06 04:57:00 -
[55] - Quote
Honestly though, DSTs could use some dev love. It was like forever since convoys were a thing, at this point those ships are kinda pointless when compared to other options. |

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2013.12.06 05:08:00 -
[56] - Quote
Barrogh Habalu wrote:Honestly though, DSTs could use some dev love. It was like forever since convoys were a thing, at this point those ships are kinda pointless when compared to other options.
yeah Deep Space Transports are a bit pointless ... Blockade Runners are still useful though ... and with prices down around 100 mill they are something of a bargain.
Though if you want a real bargain for beginning players, the best lowsec option has to be the Nereus. With average/good skills you can fit a LSE and invuls for a 20k tank whilst still managing to squeeze in a cloak II, MWD and nano's and warp stabs in the low slots ... and it has drones.
However if I am not mistaken, the original poster seems to be thinking of T2s as mini freighters for potential hisec use ?? Odd ... and missing the point of BRs and DSTs entirely. |

Treo 'Ssard
Hangar 55
36
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Posted - 2013.12.06 05:26:00 -
[57] - Quote
Caviar Liberta wrote:What we have is a player with a Mimatar character with an Amarr faction image in the profile image complaining about Gallente haulers.
And Caldari trained, no less. |

Trillian Stargazer
Origin. Black Legion.
11
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Posted - 2013.12.06 05:53:00 -
[58] - Quote
hi sec problems up in this thread. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8962
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Posted - 2013.12.06 05:57:00 -
[59] - Quote
Barrogh Habalu wrote:Honestly though, DSTs could use some dev love. It was like forever since convoys were a thing, at this point those ships are kinda pointless when compared to other options.
A good ship for high value, low volume items when jita gates are busy. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
948
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Posted - 2013.12.06 06:24:00 -
[60] - Quote
It's amusing how many have fallen for a pretty terrible troll. |
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Brendan Anneto
Dread Phoenix Society Fidelas Constans
9
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Posted - 2013.12.06 06:26:00 -
[61] - Quote
Abisha Baboli wrote:face it, those ships need a Overhaul. first of all, the costs. Skillbook=30 to 35 Mil. Ship 150 Mil
damn, man can buy a Freighter for that money that have 50 times the amount of cargo space. also it's frustrated to see, gallante have superior Haulers Kryos or Miasmos anyone?, those 2 have 9 damn times the hauling Capability of ANY other Hauler ingame, not to talk about those 10% per level while the others only got 5%
Give the Other races, something to Like faster warp, super agility whatever or do Dev's only fly Gallante??.
away, back to topic. Tech II Haulers, most be made easier to learn, cheaper to produce, hell trow a couple of 1000'sm3 to the hull, walla problems solved. if there was a facepalm selection i would click that right now. Proverbs 1:26-27 |

Meskiaggaseir
Anunnaku Industrial Corp.
6
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Posted - 2013.12.06 08:29:00 -
[62] - Quote
Abisha Baboli wrote:face it, those ships need a Overhaul. first of all, the costs. Skillbook=30 to 35 Mil. Ship 150 Mil
damn, man can buy a Freighter for that money that have 50 times the amount of cargo space. also it's frustrated to see, gallante have superior Haulers Kryos or Miasmos anyone?, those 2 have 9 damn times the hauling Capability of ANY other Hauler ingame, not to talk about those 10% per level while the others only got 5%
Give the Other races, something to Like faster warp, super agility whatever or do Dev's only fly Gallante??.
away, back to topic. Tech II Haulers, most be made easier to learn, cheaper to produce, hell trow a couple of 1000'sm3 to the hull, walla problems solved.
a freighter for 185mil? where? |

Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
508
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Posted - 2013.12.06 09:43:00 -
[63] - Quote
Mysttina wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:Am I too late for the 175M freighters? I'll take 5. I'll take 5 and increase the offer to 200M isk each  200,000,000.01 [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |

ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
1568
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Posted - 2013.12.06 11:01:00 -
[64] - Quote
Abisha Baboli wrote:Skillbook=30 to 35 Mil. Ship 150 Mil
damn, man can buy a Freighter for that money that have 50 times the amount of cargo space. No... You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument! |

Arwen Ariniel
Shaolin Legacy Preatoriani
19
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Posted - 2013.12.06 11:05:00 -
[65] - Quote
The Spod wrote:OP writing in character. Nope, it's not a blonde... Or maybe she dyed her hair... Yeah, that's it. |

Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
302
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Posted - 2013.12.06 11:50:00 -
[66] - Quote
I hear a lot of people complaining about the gap between indies and freighters. (Not in here, this thread is just dumb.)
The Orca is so flexible (it's really insanely flexible to be honest) that it fills that entire gap AND then some.
You can make it fast, you can make it wide, and you can make it thick. 2 lows gives it more EHP than a freighter. It can carry general cargo, ore, and ships in spades. It can boost mining ops. For a lot of commodities it can be balanced beautifully between EHP and cargo space to really optimize against for-profit ganking. Toss a 100MN AB on it and you've cut align time in half. Add rigs to make it warp faster.
The real beauty, of course, is that it's a ship that starts off so well-rounded that you don't have to sacrifice much in other areas when you specialize it.
Yes, I sell Orcas. They're the new black. |

Mythrandier
Spacelane Salvage
226
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Posted - 2013.12.06 12:48:00 -
[67] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:It's amusing how many have fallen for a pretty terrible troll.
I never thought I'd see this day, but... I have to agree with Ziona.
I cannot believe I just typed that, damn you OP.
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." --á D. Adams. |

Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
358
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Posted - 2013.12.06 12:56:00 -
[68] - Quote
Hasikan Miallok wrote:Barrogh Habalu wrote:Honestly though, DSTs could use some dev love. It was like forever since convoys were a thing, at this point those ships are kinda pointless when compared to other options. yeah Deep Space Transports are a bit pointless ... Blockade Runners are still useful though ... and with prices down around 100 mill they are something of a bargain. Though if you want a real bargain for beginning players, the best lowsec option has to be the Nereus. With average/good skills you can fit a LSE and invuls for a 20k tank whilst still managing to squeeze in a cloak II, MWD and nano's and warp stabs in the low slots ... and it has drones. However if I am not mistaken, the original poster seems to be thinking of T2s as mini freighters for potential hisec use ?? Odd ... and missing the point of BRs and DSTs entirely.
beginner + low sec = epithal for PI. cloak, mwd, 4 wcs and a tank. many have tried to tackle my epithals....all have failed. here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY |

Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
199
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Posted - 2013.12.06 13:00:00 -
[69] - Quote
Abisha Baboli wrote: away, back to topic. Tech II Haulers, most be made easier to learn, cheaper to produce, hell trow a couple of 1000'sm3 to the hull, walla problems solved.
T2 ships are not supposed to be easy to train for. Blockade Runners were the first T2 ships I unlocked. I think I was piloting one within a few months of playing and 100m-200m ISK wasn't that hard to come by at that point. It was about a year into the game before I got my primary piloting most of the other T2 ships, |

Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1274
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Posted - 2013.12.06 13:01:00 -
[70] - Quote
Silvetica Dian wrote:
beginner + low sec = epithal for PI. cloak, mwd, 4 wcs and a tank. many have tried to tackle my epithals....all have failed.
Same with Bustard. Massive hauling space, secure Scram-free flight or combination, your choice High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
80882
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Posted - 2013.12.06 13:06:00 -
[71] - Quote
Abisha Baboli wrote:, hell trow a couple of 1000'sm3 to the hull, walla, problems solved.
Voila ! "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Cyber SGB
Bionetic Creations
29
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Posted - 2013.12.06 13:10:00 -
[72] - Quote
Crumplecorn wrote:Am I too late for the 175M freighters? I'll take 5.
Back off, they're mine!
*wardecs* I write Kindle books. Visit my author page. http://amazon.com/author/sgbynum |

Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
471
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Posted - 2013.12.06 13:12:00 -
[73] - Quote
OP has no clue what he's on about.
Nuff said. Really. BUDDY TRIALS - 21days + ISK bonus + Starting Assistance : https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=77facad8-d941-45ad-95bc-c1ec90919b6b&action=buddy Feel free to contact me with questions :) |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17655
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Posted - 2013.12.06 13:46:00 -
[74] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Abisha Baboli wrote:, hell trow a couple of 1000'sm3 to the hull, walla, problems solved. Voila ! Walla. I'm guessing he's annoyed by the background chants in Amarr stations or somethingGǪ  GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

The Legendary Soldier
Jovian Innovations
332
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Posted - 2013.12.06 13:47:00 -
[75] - Quote
Abisha Baboli wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:The fact that the OP doesn't know the difference between a Freighter and an Industrial tells me everything I need to know about this topic. lets see, they both have cargo space..... and fly. nope no difference.
So, freighters got an agility, speed and warp speed boost too now? And the ability to fit modules, including t1 cloak and hardeners?
At 150m I will buy them all as fast as you can supply them ^^
Need to place a high-sec POS? Premade corps for sale, or your corps standings boosted. Trading since January 2012. Many corps sold/boosted - see my thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63128&find=unread |

Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
880
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Posted - 2013.12.06 13:51:00 -
[76] - Quote
Abisha Baboli wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:Abisha Baboli wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:The fact that the OP doesn't know the difference between a Freighter and an Industrial tells me everything I need to know about this topic. lets see, they both have cargo space..... and fly. nope no difference. yeah, it's not like one of those categories can fit modules, and even a covert ops cloak  while the other category can fit umm....Nothing. really Cloak really handy in High sec. really............
Dont worry.. we will be wardeccign you this eweekend to show you why you want a cloak in High sec. No need to thanks. But a 500Mil donation so we can continue teachign others is welcome. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |

Abisha Baboli
Solvency Conglomerate
5
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Posted - 2013.12.06 13:51:00 -
[77] - Quote
The Legendary Soldier wrote:Abisha Baboli wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:The fact that the OP doesn't know the difference between a Freighter and an Industrial tells me everything I need to know about this topic. lets see, they both have cargo space..... and fly. nope no difference. So, freighters got an agility, speed and warp speed boost too now? And the ability to fit modules, including t1 cloak and hardeners? At 150m I will buy them all as fast as you can supply them ^^
called ->leverage<- man don't hurt trying to understand. |

Maxim Hibra
Hedion University Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.12.06 13:58:00 -
[78] - Quote
I'd like to say the OP has a point, but to be honest I'm not even sure what she's on about. I would like to know where you can get freighters for 150M, tho.
However, there is truth in the statement that advanced industrial ships could use some work. Blockade Runners are fine, having an unique role in being able to warp while cloaked, but they have an essentially useless bonus in shield/armour rep amount. When was the last time you active tanked a hauler? If you tank it at all, you fit a buffer tank and hope it stays alove longer enough to warp off or reach the gate. Especially true for armour tanked ones who want to use those lows for cargo expanders.
Deep Space Transports, however, really need a rework. As it stands they're somewhat more durable thank t1 industrials, but still not very durable, very expensive and very slow. The only thing they really have going for them is +2 warp core strenght. I think that if Bloackade Runners are designed to transport valuable cargo by avoiding attacks (being able to cloak and being immune to cargi scan), the DSTs should take the approach of being able to transport valuable cargo by being well protected. Think of them as a space ship version of those armoured cars used to transport money. Give them t2 resist profiles and replace the armour/shield repair bonues with a resist bonus. While still vulnerable to a proper gatecamp in low/null, they would be tough enough to survive a single ship trying to kill them them (especially with the warp core strenght keeping single ships from pointing them, asside from some faction points or HICs), and be tough enough to discourage suicide ganking unless the ship is carrying extremely vaulable cargo (like with Freighters, where you generally don't bother suicide ganking them unless it has over 1B worth of cargo as othervise the isk you lose from the suicided ships is more than the isk you gain). |

Abisha Baboli
Solvency Conglomerate
5
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Posted - 2013.12.06 14:47:00 -
[79] - Quote
Kagura Nikon wrote:Abisha Baboli wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:Abisha Baboli wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:The fact that the OP doesn't know the difference between a Freighter and an Industrial tells me everything I need to know about this topic. lets see, they both have cargo space..... and fly. nope no difference. yeah, it's not like one of those categories can fit modules, and even a covert ops cloak  while the other category can fit umm....Nothing. really Cloak really handy in High sec. really............ Dont worry.. we will be wardeccign you this eweekend to show you why you want a cloak in High sec. No need to thanks. But a 500Mil donation so we can continue teachign others is welcome.
suppose to care about a wardec?, i just join the NPC corp. and remake it |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
712

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Posted - 2013.12.06 15:57:00 -
[80] - Quote
Quote:22. Post constructively.
Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting.] Thread locked.
If you have an idea for how to improve Eve, please flesh it out and post it in the Features & Ideas Discussion Subforum.
I also recommend double-checking your ship facts and names, if only to avoid confusion and petty bickering:
- T1 industrials top out at 37k m3 of cargo (or so). Industrials with specialized holds can haul more than that, but are restricted in the kind of cargo they can carry (minerals, ammo, etc). Cargo modules/rigs also do not work on specialized cargo holds. Price: 10-20 mil total.
- T2 blockade runners (Prorator, Crane, Viator, Prowler) are small haulers topping out at 10-15k m3. To compensate for the small cargohold, they: a) have covert ops cloaks b) warp at frigate speeds c) have very low align times, and d) are immune to cargo scanning. Price: 100-150 mil total.
- T2 deep space transports (Impel, Bustard, Occator, Mastodon) are large haulers with built-in warp core stabilization and large tanks. They are, however, slow. They have also not been touched by a rebalance in forever. Price: 100-150 mil total.
- T1 freighters (Providence, Charon, Obelisk, Fenrir) are giant capital-class haulers. They are very, very slow, but top out at 981k m3 of generic cargo (26x a T1 industrial). They cannot fit modules. Price: 1000-1300 mil.
- T2 jump freighters (Ark, Rhea, Anshar, Nomad) are somewhat smaller freighters that have better hit points and can use jump drives to quicklly traverse huge distances. They top out at 368k m3 of generic cargo. Price: ~ 6000 mil.
ISD LackOfFaith Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISD_LackOfFaith on Twitter |
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