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Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4960	Posted - 2013.12.09 19:08:00 - [31] - Quote ... and don't forget about the subliminal messages that CCP imbeds in their mining laser animations. "buzzmmbbzzzzmm relax bzzzmmbzzzmm keep mining bzzmmbzzmm zone out bzzmmbbbzzzmmm resubscribe bzzzmmmbzzzmmm mining is excitement bzzzzmmmbzzmmmm repetition is spontaneous bzzzmmmmbzzzzmmmm 2nd account bzzzmmmbbzzzmm alts are your friends bbzzzzmmbbzzmmmm" What better way to spread this important message to the unsuspecting heathen (non-EVE playing) masses. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4960	Posted - 2013.12.09 19:10:00 - [32] - Quote Little Dragon Khamez wrote: Carka Gerschen wrote: Quote: Or we will get a dozen intel cams as our main streams, which can be handy, but doesn't do much for the streaming community I think. This is what I wrote. So I am not saying Intel streams are not useful, they just don't build a community. They are just tools, not entertainment in my opinion. Regards, Carka that twitch logo in the twitch control ui of the neocom is really immersion breaking it should be in the settings window along with the audio and video settings for the game so you can set it up then click a button to begin streaming in the game. The intel possibilities are interesting, though scouts will now play the game via remote control with their fc barking orders like pan left, warp to x show me dscan etc, might as well be a camera drone. I don't mind streaming but I am concerned that ccp is damaging immersion. Plus does anyone know if the aforementioned fc would have to watch an advert every now and again, or is that only for paid accounts. I honestly don't know how twitch works, but it does make me ask if ccp are getting any money from their partnership with twitch.tv I am not accusing ccp of anything untoward I just don't know how it works and am musing aloud so to speak. Even if they were, I certainly don't see a problem with that. The twitch logo is only on your Neocom if you drag it there from the root menu. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Little Dragon Khamez Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition 657	Posted - 2013.12.09 19:31:00 - [33] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Little Dragon Khamez wrote: Carka Gerschen wrote: Quote: Or we will get a dozen intel cams as our main streams, which can be handy, but doesn't do much for the streaming community I think. This is what I wrote. So I am not saying Intel streams are not useful, they just don't build a community. They are just tools, not entertainment in my opinion. Regards, Carka that twitch logo in the twitch control ui of the neocom is really immersion breaking it should be in the settings window along with the audio and video settings for the game so you can set it up then click a button to begin streaming in the game. The intel possibilities are interesting, though scouts will now play the game via remote control with their fc barking orders like pan left, warp to x show me dscan etc, might as well be a camera drone. I don't mind streaming but I am concerned that ccp is damaging immersion. Plus does anyone know if the aforementioned fc would have to watch an advert every now and again, or is that only for paid accounts. I honestly don't know how twitch works, but it does make me ask if ccp are getting any money from their partnership with twitch.tv I am not accusing ccp of anything untoward I just don't know how it works and am musing aloud so to speak. Even if they were, I certainly don't see a problem with that. The twitch logo is only on your Neocom if you drag it there from the root menu. Do you honestly think that 30,000 years in the future we'd have twitch, or is that going to be written in to the lore now? Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
SKINE DMZ Stay Frosty. 268	Posted - 2013.12.09 19:36:00 - [34] - Quote Jee you want to moan about transparency slider in the settings window as well? It's just an added feature, and it will obviously be of some help to people who want to share techniques or strategies to corp mates quickly. I disagree
Little Dragon Khamez Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition 657	Posted - 2013.12.09 19:45:00 - [35] - Quote SKINE DMZ wrote: Jee you want to moan about transparency slider in the settings window as well? It's just an added feature, and it will obviously be of some help to people who want to share techniques or strategies to corp mates quickly. Well its important to me, just like sov and fw is important to others. When I enter the game and join the sci fi world that is new eden I don't want to be reminded of the outside world, just saying. What if ccp were to team up with Coca Cola would you be happy to see their logo on the neo com.? Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 449	Posted - 2013.12.09 19:50:00 - [36] - Quote As long as I can easily deactivate in the client everything streaming related and especially the awful mess that is twitch, I don't care what CCP does with it. Remove insurance.
SKINE DMZ Stay Frosty. 271	Posted - 2013.12.09 20:00:00 - [37] - Quote Little Dragon Khamez wrote: SKINE DMZ wrote: Jee you want to moan about transparency slider in the settings window as well? It's just an added feature, and it will obviously be of some help to people who want to share techniques or strategies to corp mates quickly. Well its important to me, just like sov and fw is important to others. When I enter the game and join the sci fi world that is new eden I don't want to be reminded of the outside world, just saying. What if ccp were to team up with Coca Cola would you be happy to see their logo on the neo com.? It's only in the neo if you dragged it there, what you are saying is completely invalid. I disagree
Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 2228	Posted - 2013.12.09 20:24:00 - [38] - Quote I'm looking forward to being able to dump an alt in an enemy staging system, click a button, and give all my coallition FCs a live 23/7 feed of enemy formups.
Little Dragon Khamez Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition 657	Posted - 2013.12.09 20:31:00 - [39] - Quote SKINE DMZ wrote: Little Dragon Khamez wrote: SKINE DMZ wrote: Jee you want to moan about transparency slider in the settings window as well? It's just an added feature, and it will obviously be of some help to people who want to share techniques or strategies to corp mates quickly. Well its important to me, just like sov and fw is important to others. When I enter the game and join the sci fi world that is new eden I don't want to be reminded of the outside world, just saying. What if ccp were to team up with Coca Cola would you be happy to see their logo on the neo com.? It's only in the neo if you dragged it there, what you are saying is completely invalid. I am referring to the twitch settings window that pops up after you click the little button in your neocom all that stuff should be in general settings, that's all I am saying. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 3368	Posted - 2013.12.09 22:33:00 - [40] - Quote If it's CCP's intention to make viewing the game easier so as to attract more customers, then it will fail miserably. There is nothing more boring than watching icons move around a picture of space with a bunch of windows blocking what view there even is. I know what's going on and and it still pains me to sit through as a spectator. Imagine what it's like for someone that has never seen the game before. I could make a better flash animation in a few minutes than anything streaming a fleet fight would look like to a non-EVE player. If, on the other hand, CCP is doing this so that experienced players can check each other out, then it's probably going to work well. While I haven't actually watched other people play video games since hanging out in arcades and standing in line for Centipede back in the Eighties, I can see the attraction for the millennial generation. So, to sum up. It'll probably be a good thing in the long run unless EVE vets start using it as a tool to try and attract new players. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 558	Posted - 2013.12.09 22:49:00 - [41] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: There is nothing more boring than watching icons move around a picture of space with a bunch of windows blocking what view there even is. I know what's going on and and it still pains me to sit through as a spectator. Whether or not you like EVE has no bearing on whether or not anyone else does. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=rnd[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation)
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 3369	Posted - 2013.12.10 01:37:00 - [42] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: There is nothing more boring than watching icons move around a picture of space with a bunch of windows blocking what view there even is. I know what's going on and and it still pains me to sit through as a spectator. Whether or not you like EVE has no bearing on whether or not anyone else does. Compare watching a stream of any first person shooter with a stream of an EVE fleet battle having never played either before. One will kick up your adrenaline and the other will be, "WTF? People actually play this?". That's not subjective opinion. It's objective fact. That changes, of course, once you know the game and understand what the little red and blue squares are doing. But as I said, not a good way to try and interest someone in the game. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 560	Posted - 2013.12.10 07:37:00 - [43] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Compare watching a stream of any first person shooter with a stream of an EVE fleet battle having never played either before. One will kick up your adrenaline and the other will be, "WTF? People actually play this?". Yes, but you'll say the same if you're actually in the fleet battle yourself. Cherrypicking does you no favours. Also, watching someone else play an FPS is phenomenally boring, as nothing is really happening except point and click. (Objective fact, not subjective opinion btw). [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=rnd[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation)
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4963	Posted - 2013.12.10 15:09:00 - [44] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: Compare watching a stream of any first person shooter with a stream of an EVE fleet battle having never played either before. One will kick up your adrenaline and the other will be, "WTF? People actually play this?". Yes, but you'll say the same if you're actually in the fleet battle yourself. Cherrypicking does you no favours. Also, watching someone else play an FPS is phenomenally boring, as nothing is really happening except point and click. (Objective fact, not subjective opinion btw). If you are streaming to attract new players, pick a smaller encounter and zoom in. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Ramona McCandless Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 1354	Posted - 2013.12.10 15:12:00 - [45] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: (Watching a video of an FPS) will kick up your adrenaline That's not subjective opinion. It's objective fact. Rare dropping of ball by Mr Epeen I will remember where I was when this happened Just like I remember where I was when Cliff Richard was shot High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4963	Posted - 2013.12.10 15:28:00 - [46] - Quote Little Dragon Khamez wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: Little Dragon Khamez wrote: Carka Gerschen wrote: Quote: Or we will get a dozen intel cams as our main streams, which can be handy, but doesn't do much for the streaming community I think. This is what I wrote. So I am not saying Intel streams are not useful, they just don't build a community. They are just tools, not entertainment in my opinion. Regards, Carka that twitch logo in the twitch control ui of the neocom is really immersion breaking it should be in the settings window along with the audio and video settings for the game so you can set it up then click a button to begin streaming in the game. The intel possibilities are interesting, though scouts will now play the game via remote control with their fc barking orders like pan left, warp to x show me dscan etc, might as well be a camera drone. I don't mind streaming but I am concerned that ccp is damaging immersion. Plus does anyone know if the aforementioned fc would have to watch an advert every now and again, or is that only for paid accounts. I honestly don't know how twitch works, but it does make me ask if ccp are getting any money from their partnership with twitch.tv I am not accusing ccp of anything untoward I just don't know how it works and am musing aloud so to speak. Even if they were, I certainly don't see a problem with that. The twitch logo is only on your Neocom if you drag it there from the root menu. Do you honestly think that 30,000 years in the future we'd have twitch, or is that going to be written in to the lore now? Do you honestly think that 30,000 years in the future our space ship controls will consist of a series of drop down menu's and an over view list? To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Azami Nevinyrall Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 1393	Posted - 2013.12.10 15:47:00 - [47] - Quote It seems that CCP has been on this whole "Get our product in front of the masses," fixation lately... It's not a bad thing, just another way to advertise... But, I just don't like actual gameplay and back end code fixes being pushed out of the way to make streaming slightly easier... I hope CCP isn't loosing "focus" again and becoming tunnelvisioned. As patches (expansions according to CCP) and new features being focused on trying to get as much attention as possible! If CCP REALLY wants attention, open Jove space for starters! Support my (possibly dumb) Ideas!! Worm Rebalance!!!
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 567	Posted - 2013.12.10 16:09:00 - [48] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Do you honestly think that 30,000 years in the future our space ship controls will consist of a series of drop down menu's and an over view list? Depends on whether CCP can get from the spaceship game market to the spaceship market some time in the next 30,000 years. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=rnd[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation)
Ramona McCandless Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 1358	Posted - 2013.12.10 16:10:00 - [49] - Quote Azami Nevinyrall wrote: If CCP REALLY wants attention, open Jove space for starters! Why what would this achieve? High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 352	Posted - 2013.12.10 16:34:00 - [50] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Why what would this achieve? Well, it;'s only been an event that old players have been waiting for since..... well, launch, really. They had this great Jovian thing going on early on, and then suddenly dropped it. Some of us have been waiting to see wtf will happen for a very long time, but CCP seems to have forgotten they ever did that. Personally I'd rather see them bring back jukebox, which was a feature that far more people will have a use for that broadcasting yet more garbage on twitch. Unless your thread is limited to how 'awesum!' Eve Online is, ISD will lock the thread.-á You will find it is particularly common if CCP might have to make a public response to the thread subject, as opposed to bury it in the GM que for the forseeable future and then prohibit telling anyone what the GM said, if it's ever answered at all.
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1560	Posted - 2013.12.10 16:49:00 - [51] - Quote You have a problem with an eleet Thrasher miner pounding away at Veldspar in 1.0 space on a live video stream? But the conversation... the CONVERSATION! We can hear all about the girl he's hot for in school and boasting about his superior chick skills with his fellow miners (without admitting he's never had a date in his short life)... That just seems like me the height of social networking to me. Really. No, really. Maybe if we're lucky we can even see him pop a zit on camera!! "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Azami Nevinyrall Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 1395	Posted - 2013.12.10 17:07:00 - [52] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Azami Nevinyrall wrote: If CCP REALLY wants attention, open Jove space for starters! Why what would this achieve? lets start off with the I don't know /exactly/ how many playable systems that would be added into the game. Oh wait, they're not NEW, they've been there for over a decade! Stargates, Asteroid Belts, Stars, Planets, Moons, etc etc! Most of the bittervets, (myself included) have been waiting to gain access to that area for a long ass time! Give a random DEV crayons and the New Eden map. Drop a hit of acid and tell him to play connect the dots. Get another DEV, give him a bottle of Rum and tell him to write a few lines of code, drop about 50 Stargates, and voila! Even if there isn't any real gameplay added to it. Make it HighSec, no NPC's. Just more space for players to go to and spread out! Support my (possibly dumb) Ideas!! Worm Rebalance!!!
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Pirate Nation. 196	Posted - 2013.12.10 17:27:00 - [53] - Quote Abdiel Kavash wrote: I'm looking forward to being able to dump an alt in an enemy staging system, click a button, and give all my coallition FCs a live 23/7 feed of enemy formups. Which in my opinion adds to the game, a logical improvement in intel gathering, I would expect major block FC's to have access to multiple such feeds on closed channels. If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space,-áand those people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local,-álight a cyno and try jumping to it.-á-á There is a structural issue with Eve, based on accounts with no link, vast reserves of ISK-áand plex, which makes it too easy to metagame the destruction of small alliances.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 3370	Posted - 2013.12.10 17:47:00 - [54] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: Also, watching someone else play an FPS is phenomenally boring, as nothing is really happening except point and click. (Objective fact, not subjective opinion btw). Not as boring as watching a swirl of '90s level RTS graphics. And you seem to be confusing your games. MMOs are point and click, not FPSs. Still I find it interesting that you keep quoting everything I write except the "for someone that has never played the game" part. I think you've been attending Tippia's advanced forum posting workshops, haven't you? Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Leigh Akiga Trickle Down Economics 372	Posted - 2013.12.10 19:34:00 - [55] - Quote Hey guys can I stream myself mining?
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 568	Posted - 2013.12.10 19:41:00 - [56] - Quote >Suddenly dozens of streams with 0 to 1 viewers Given that this thing is built into the game it must have amazing location-concealment options. Has the age of black-boxes-everywhere ended? [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=rnd[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation)

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