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VegasMirage
Side Effects. Serious Space Holding Alliance
1395
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Posted - 2013.12.14 07:48:00 -
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Please stop this bad habit. It's amazing how many of you still smoke cigarettes.
Come on, it's not the 70's even the tobacco companies advertise you're gonna die if you do it. Stop now. Ok. no more games... it's real this time!!! |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
428
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Posted - 2013.12.14 09:14:00 -
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Hookah's are sexier than cigarettes anyway. Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
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Magna Mortem
Fratres Et Sorores
23
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Posted - 2013.12.14 09:38:00 -
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People will also die if they don't. Actually, more people die from not smoking than from smoking.
Think about it. |
VegasMirage
Side Effects. Serious Space Holding Alliance
1396
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Posted - 2013.12.14 09:44:00 -
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Magna Mortem wrote:People will also die if they don't. Actually, more people die from not smoking than from smoking.
Think about it.
it's smart guys like you that make the dumb guys smarter
Think about it. no more games... it's real this time!!! |
Magna Mortem
Fratres Et Sorores
23
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Posted - 2013.12.14 09:50:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:Magna Mortem wrote:People will also die if they don't. Actually, more people die from not smoking than from smoking.
Think about it. it's smart guys like you that make the dumb guys smarter Think about it. If you live long enough to care about having lived long enough, how long will you keep on living?
Think about it. |
Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
1684
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Posted - 2013.12.14 10:00:00 -
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I never knew you cared ... Major (Ret.) Caldary Naval Militia | Morale Officer (Pinup model) H4WK. CEO | Just another innocent explorer-á pâä
Herrbert: "womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm"
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Magna Mortem
Fratres Et Sorores
23
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Posted - 2013.12.14 10:29:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:I never knew you cared ... You're the reason why Vidua went on a shopping spree in Jita. Looking at you makes me understand why. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1313
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Posted - 2013.12.14 11:04:00 -
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If cancer doesn't kill you, the gankers will :) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. An enemy is just a friend that you stab in the front. |
Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
1685
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Posted - 2013.12.14 11:11:00 -
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Magna Mortem wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:I never knew you cared ... You're the reason why Vidua went on a shopping spree in Jita. Looking at you makes me understand why. Who is this Vidua, and what did they buy me?
Cigarettes?
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:If cancer doesn't kill you, the gankers will :) Actually seen that happen. "Afk for 5, smoke time." Returns to find themselves in a cloning bay. Major (Ret.) Caldary Naval Militia | Morale Officer (Pinup model) H4WK. CEO | Just another innocent explorer-á pâä
Herrbert: "womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm"
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1314
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Posted - 2013.12.14 11:21:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:If cancer doesn't kill you, the gankers will :) Actually seen that happen. "Afk for 5, smoke time." Returns to find themselves in a cloning bay.
I would rather inflict losses than observe them.
If it's a mining barge, in highsec, and has drones out on aggressive mode, it is AFK. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. An enemy is just a friend that you stab in the front. |
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Vidua Arte Album
State War Academy Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.12.14 11:21:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Magna Mortem wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:I never knew you cared ... You're the reason why Vidua went on a shopping spree in Jita. Looking at you makes me understand why. Who is this Vidua, and what did they buy me? Cigarettes? Nonono I bugged you because of my failed attempt to copy your pose. ^^
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Dani Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
57
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Posted - 2013.12.14 11:27:00 -
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Vidua Arte Album wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:Magna Mortem wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:I never knew you cared ... You're the reason why Vidua went on a shopping spree in Jita. Looking at you makes me understand why. Who is this Vidua, and what did they buy me? Cigarettes? Nonono I bugged you because of my failed attempt to copy your pose. ^^ Didn't bug me at all. Was quite flattering actually.
It can be a hard pose to duplicate. I still need to adjusts Dani's angle slightly to match Erica's so as to complete the derpy dual-box duo. Sisters of EVE?
Probably needs more cigarettes. |
Angelica Dreamstar
Desperate Desire Inc.
12
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Posted - 2013.12.14 11:33:00 -
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Dani Dusette wrote:Vidua Arte Album wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:Magna Mortem wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:I never knew you cared ... You're the reason why Vidua went on a shopping spree in Jita. Looking at you makes me understand why. Who is this Vidua, and what did they buy me? Cigarettes? Nonono I bugged you because of my failed attempt to copy your pose. ^^ Didn't bug me at all. Was quite flattering actually. It can be a hard pose to duplicate. I still need to adjusts Dani's angle slightly to match Erica's so as to complete the derpy dual-box duo. Sisters of EVE? Probably needs more cigarettes. Nice boobs there, sexy! Care for some girlongirl action? <3 |
Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
1687
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Posted - 2013.12.14 11:44:00 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Nice boobs there, sexy! Care for some girlongirl action? <3 I'm afraid Erica is heterosexual, so she'd have to decline.
As for Dani, well she's rarely allowed outside of our wormhole, let alone indulge in some carnal fun. Scan and scout, it's a pleb's lot I guess.
But in anycase I appreciate the offer, and your endorsement of my avatar's petite endowments. Major (Ret.) Caldary Naval Militia | Morale Officer (Pinup model) H4WK. CEO | Just another innocent explorer-á pâä
Herrbert: "womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm"
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Vidua Arte Album
State War Academy Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2013.12.14 13:19:00 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Nice boobs there, sexy! Care for some girlongirl action? <3 I'm afraid Erica is heterosexual, so she'd have to decline. As for Dani, well she's rarely allowed outside of our wormhole, let alone indulge in some carnal fun. Scan and scout, it's a pleb's lot I guess. But in anycase I appreciate the offer, and your endorsement of my avatar's petite endowments. My flowery sister is like a uhm rock full of gold that's hidden behind a big pile of lead and errr phased plasma. :) |
Angelica Dreamstar
Desperate Desire Inc.
13
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Posted - 2013.12.14 13:22:00 -
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AAAALLLLLLLRIGHTY!!!! |
Dark 0verlord
Sloth Team Six Jita Holding Inc.
135
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Posted - 2013.12.14 14:41:00 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:Hookah's are sexier than cigarettes anyway.
Sorry to burst your bubble but a hookah is not sexy. I think a hookah is rather immature. Why would you smoke a substance that is potentially harmful to your body when you aren't even getting high off of it. |
Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
2126
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Posted - 2013.12.14 14:44:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:Please stop this bad habit. It's amazing how many of you still smoke cigarettes.
Come on, it's not the 70's even the tobacco companies advertise you're gonna die if you do it. Stop now. Ok.
If only you knew how many kills I've had while smoking a cigarette and not caring about your judgements You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
669
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Posted - 2013.12.14 14:55:00 -
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The thing with cigarettes is not that they will kill you, it's more so the manner in which they will kill you that you should stop.
Seriously, you should switch to snus or dip. The risk of oral cancer is greatly exaggerated (in fact the risk of oral cancer from smokeless tobacco is far smaller than the risk of oral cancer from smoking - and how often do you hear about someone with oral cancer from smoking?) I'm a Skoal woman myself. AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
Kryptik Kai
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1645
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Posted - 2013.12.14 15:55:00 -
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Being alive comes with a 100% chance of death Being alive does not guarantee "living" (enjoying life)
I love my hand rolled smokes and vodka. I love skydiving. I love driving fast. I love a lot of things that are bad or potentially deadly to my person.
Worth it. "Shiny.-á Lets be bad guys." -Jayne Cobb |
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
429
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Posted - 2013.12.14 17:47:00 -
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Dark 0verlord wrote:Sorry to burst your bubble but a hookah is not sexy. I think a hookah is rather immature. Why would you smoke a substance that is potentially harmful to your body when you aren't even getting high off of it.
Hong Kong kung fu movies are never wrong.
Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
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Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
671
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Posted - 2013.12.14 18:59:00 -
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Again, it's not the fact the smoking kills you.
It's the way it kills you.
You get a better nicotine profile from snuff. AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
Michael Ruckert
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2013.12.14 20:32:00 -
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Posting in "Eve character creation needs cigarettes" thread. |
Domineren
Rebirth. The Devil's Warrior Alliance
951
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:24:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:Please stop this bad habit. It's amazing how many of you still smoke cigarettes.
Come on, it's not the 70's even the tobacco companies advertise you're gonna die if you do it. Stop now. Ok. personally i dont smoke, i dip. Copenhagen Wintergreen, Long Cut Senn Denroth - Highsec PVP is only for the elite of the elite....
I LOVE DODIXIE <3
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Dark 0verlord
Sloth Team Six Jita Holding Inc.
135
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:46:00 -
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Domineren wrote:VegasMirage wrote:Please stop this bad habit. It's amazing how many of you still smoke cigarettes.
Come on, it's not the 70's even the tobacco companies advertise you're gonna die if you do it. Stop now. Ok. personally i dont smoke, i dip. Copenhagen Wintergreen, Long Cut
Bad ass. |
Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
676
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Posted - 2013.12.15 03:58:00 -
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Michael Ruckert wrote:Posting in "Eve character creation needs cigarettes" thread.
I would very much like the option to put cigarettes in my character's ear/lip, or to add a wad of tobacco to their cheek. :) AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
VegasMirage
Side Effects. Serious Space Holding Alliance
1400
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Posted - 2013.12.15 04:05:00 -
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Everything is calculated risks, so why take on so much risk with absolutely no benefit? You've been brainwashed to think cigarettes are "cool", make you look "cool" or go well with things like coffee or alcohol. Your self perception is bent.
Brainwashed by 'The Marlboro Man' and killer logos like Camel "Turkish Blend"... and you accept this by making excuses for the product and their advertised perceived "benefits".
You're a product of a mediated reality. You are not free, you are a slave to somebody else's profits. no more games... it's real this time!!! |
Domineren
Rebirth. The Devil's Warrior Alliance
962
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Posted - 2013.12.15 04:35:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:Everything is calculated risks, so why take on so much risk with absolutely no benefit? You've been brainwashed to think cigarettes are "cool", make you look "cool" or go well with things like coffee or alcohol. Your self perception is bent.
Brainwashed by 'The Marlboro Man' and killer logos like Camel "Turkish Blend"... and you accept this by making excuses for the product and their advertised perceived "benefits".
You're a product of a mediated reality. You are not free, you are a slave to somebody else's profits. Well being young and dumb gets at you Senn Denroth - Highsec PVP is only for the elite of the elite....
I LOVE DODIXIE <3
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Dark 0verlord
Sloth Team Six Jita Holding Inc.
142
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Posted - 2013.12.15 05:15:00 -
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Domineren wrote:VegasMirage wrote:Everything is calculated risks, so why take on so much risk with absolutely no benefit? You've been brainwashed to think cigarettes are "cool", make you look "cool" or go well with things like coffee or alcohol. Your self perception is bent.
Brainwashed by 'The Marlboro Man' and killer logos like Camel "Turkish Blend"... and you accept this by making excuses for the product and their advertised perceived "benefits".
You're a product of a mediated reality. You are not free, you are a slave to somebody else's profits. Well being young and dumb gets at you
I think it has a lot to do with a cry for attention. Whether it be from the 'cool kids' or your parents/teachers. The kids that smoke cigarettes just want attention. |
Athena Maldoran
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2464
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Posted - 2013.12.15 12:22:00 -
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You are smoking ciggarets, Your doing it wrong. Do it like a president, smoke cigars! |
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VegasMirage
Side Effects. Serious Space Holding Alliance
1403
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Posted - 2013.12.15 16:09:00 -
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Smoking cigarettes also satisfies an oral fetish or desire to have something put in one's mouth. no more games... it's real this time!!! |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
252
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Posted - 2013.12.16 01:15:00 -
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Thread has been moved to Out of Pod Experience. ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISDTyrozan | @ISD_CCL |
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Alice Saki
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
101280
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Posted - 2013.12.16 02:34:00 -
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I myself enjoy a nice ciggy before dropping my ships ^_^
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Colonel Selene
Team Evil
472
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Posted - 2013.12.16 02:39:00 -
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Gross, this thread smells like smoke.
Don't cease attack because an enemy begins to smoke, or a few pieces fall off - Thats your singal to blast him all to hell. |
Oxylan
QRDELESH - Mutual Admiration Society
90
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Posted - 2013.12.16 09:03:00 -
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Hi OP.
How you can explain that my grandmother is 72years old, helthy, with good i would say condition at this period of time, she start smoking when she was around 15-17 years old, second part, i hear a story about other people who got cancer or die even hey never drink alcohol or smoking.
Live is damn unfair.
Personaly i smoke cigaretes, i know this suck but is my choise and i like it, i wont stop it, because its part of my style.
With full respect to people who dont smoking, that i understand they are great just because they care about others and yourself.
Redgards If it bleed we can kill it. |
Sebastor Cane
The Outlet
127
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Posted - 2013.12.16 14:17:00 -
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Hi OP
The only reason i smoke is to get the taste of weed and hooker spit out of my mouth in the morning
Enjoy |
Ryder 'ook
Die..Brut
22
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Posted - 2013.12.16 15:30:00 -
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I only smoke cigarettes when I can't smoke weed.
And as a daddy of two with a full-time job I'm smoking A LOT more cigarettes than joints/spliffs, unfortunately.
;) Every atom in our bodies was forged in the furnace of ancient stars - it's time we return home. |
Black Panpher
Ganja Inc
798
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Posted - 2013.12.16 16:33:00 -
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@ OP not everyone is smoking tobacco...
Xuixien wrote:Again, it's not the fact the smoking kills you.
It's the way it kills you.
You get a better nicotine profile from snuff.
You should maybe look into the way snuff kills you lol...
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
2030
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Posted - 2013.12.16 16:53:00 -
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The problem with telling smokers not to smoke is they're oppositional by nature. You tell them not to do something, they want to do it more, just to spite you. Actually I suppose you don't have to be a smoker to be like that. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
83469
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Posted - 2013.12.16 17:49:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:Everything is calculated risks, so why take on so much risk with absolutely no benefit? You've been brainwashed to think cigarettes are "cool", make you look "cool" or go well with things like coffee or alcohol. Your self perception is bent.
All of that is hideously wrong wrong wrong. I smoke only because I'm addicted to nicotine. Period. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
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Black Panpher
Ganja Inc
798
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Posted - 2013.12.16 18:18:00 -
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Nicotine isn't addictive, I have smoked for 14years and I am not addicted! |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
2030
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Posted - 2013.12.16 18:55:00 -
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That's true, it must not be the nicotine that's addictive. The nicotine gum and patches don't do anything for my addiction. It must be the tar that's addictive. |
Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
89
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:09:00 -
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I smoked for 20 years and then quit, my quality of life has improved substantially.
We all know deep inside that the "I'm going to die one way or another, might just as well enjoy myself , X or Y kill more people than tobacco every year, yada yada yada" sort of arguments - and I've used these myself in the past - are complete and utter bollocks: it's just something we use to justify ourselves while we feed and indulge our nicotine addictions.
That great feeling of the first ciggie in the morning? Let's not kid ourselves, it's simply the good feeling of chasing the nicotine withdrawal monkey away.
When you are in your teens, twenties, perhaps even early thirties, all the detrimental effects that tobacco has on your quality of life may not be so dramatically noticeable. Or perhaps we simply turn a blind eye on them, and choose not to care. But the way a tobacco habit negatively affects your well-being in many different regards just gets worse, and worse, as you get older.
But to each their own.
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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1103
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Posted - 2013.12.16 23:23:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:Please stop this bad habit. It's amazing how many of you still smoke cigarettes.
Come on, it's not the 70's even the tobacco companies advertise you're gonna die if you do it. Stop now. Ok.
Stop over eating please, it is a bad habit. Come on, it's not even the 80's, even the food industry is telling you you will kill yourself if you don't control yourself. |
Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
408
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Posted - 2013.12.16 23:39:00 -
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If somebody loves smoking so much they don't care about the ill effects, they should smoke. Some people just simply care more about enjoying their life instead of living slightly longer.
Quality, not quantity.
(I've never smoked in my life) |
VegasMirage
Side Effects. Serious Space Holding Alliance
1413
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Posted - 2013.12.17 03:06:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:VegasMirage wrote:Please stop this bad habit. It's amazing how many of you still smoke cigarettes.
Come on, it's not the 70's even the tobacco companies advertise you're gonna die if you do it. Stop now. Ok. Stop over eating please, it is a bad habit. Come on, it's not even the 80's, even the food industry is telling you you will kill yourself if you don't control yourself.
I agree with you. Making trans fat illegal was a great move on our govts' part. More responsible decisions like this and health care costs may go down on their own.
Also, government should reimburse you for your gym membership if you use it 120 days out of the year. no more games... it's real this time!!! |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1103
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Posted - 2013.12.17 12:13:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:VegasMirage wrote:Please stop this bad habit. It's amazing how many of you still smoke cigarettes.
Come on, it's not the 70's even the tobacco companies advertise you're gonna die if you do it. Stop now. Ok. Stop over eating please, it is a bad habit. Come on, it's not even the 80's, even the food industry is telling you you will kill yourself if you don't control yourself. I agree with you. Making trans fat illegal was a great move on our govts' part. More responsible decisions like this and health care costs may go down on their own. Also, government should reimburse you for your gym membership if you use it 120 days out of the year.
The insurance companies should do the reimbursement as they are the ones that are making more money on you staying healthy. The society (government included) benefit in totality from a healthier society, but if the 'change' is spear headed and controlled by the government then we are one step closer to the fascist end of the social spectrum. Me no like that. |
Pontianak Sythaeryn
Bottle Distribution Ops Center Heimatar Alliance Treaty Organization
82
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Posted - 2013.12.17 15:53:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:That's true, it must not be the nicotine that's addictive. The nicotine gum and patches don't do anything for my addiction. It must be the tar that's addictive.
Must be the tar, antifreeze, butane, methane, and arsenic.
Anywho, woudn't the better solution for smokers to quit is just to get on the e-ciggys? |
VegasMirage
Side Effects. Serious Space Holding Alliance
1413
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:25:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:VegasMirage wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:VegasMirage wrote:Please stop this bad habit. It's amazing how many of you still smoke cigarettes.
Come on, it's not the 70's even the tobacco companies advertise you're gonna die if you do it. Stop now. Ok. Stop over eating please, it is a bad habit. Come on, it's not even the 80's, even the food industry is telling you you will kill yourself if you don't control yourself. I agree with you. Making trans fat illegal was a great move on our govts' part. More responsible decisions like this and health care costs may go down on their own. Also, government should reimburse you for your gym membership if you use it 120 days out of the year. The insurance companies should do the reimbursement as they are the ones that are making more money on you staying healthy. The society (government included) benefit in totality from a healthier society, but if the 'change' is spear headed and controlled by the government then we are one step closer to the fascist end of the social spectrum. Me no like that.
How do you make the leap from public safety like controlling what corporations put in our food or using the tax system as an incentive to motivate people to exercise into fascism? What are you the missing link?
And besides that the US is already a fascist state; "when governments and corporations collude against the betterment of the public" defined. And just because it's fascists doesn't mean WE shouldn't try and get some good out of it. no more games... it's real this time!!! |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
2030
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Posted - 2013.12.17 20:47:00 -
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Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:That's true, it must not be the nicotine that's addictive. The nicotine gum and patches don't do anything for my addiction. It must be the tar that's addictive. Must be the tar, antifreeze, butane, methane, and arsenic. Anywho, woudn't the better solution for smokers to quit is just to get on the e-ciggys? I have a relative who swears by e-cigs. He smokes his gadget exclusively now and never touches actual tobacco. And they even let him puff his e-cig in his regular hangout bar. |
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Kairavi Mrithyakara
New Sepulchral Monolith
182
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Posted - 2013.12.17 22:02:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:I have a relative who swears by e-cigs. He smokes his gadget exclusively now and never touches actual tobacco. And they even let him puff his e-cig in his regular hangout bar.
I've got a friend who's managed to stave off smoking all together the same way. I always figured she was one of the lucky ones, who just needed the nicotine. Me, I haven't managed it yet. I've been trying to switch to e-cigs for months, now, but I keep going back to actually baccy. It just feels so much better than a silly plastic thing that glows on the end when you pull on it.
Maybe that's what it is, the feeling of the cigarette, not just the taste. When they can come up with an e-cigarette that's as light as a hand-rolled cig, that cackles when you light it, and doesn't feel like you're masticating a ball-point pen, then I'll switch to them. In the mean time, I'm going to have to make these herbals work..
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VegasMirage
Side Effects. Serious Space Holding Alliance
1414
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Posted - 2013.12.17 22:06:00 -
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Kairavi Mrithyakara wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:I have a relative who swears by e-cigs. He smokes his gadget exclusively now and never touches actual tobacco. And they even let him puff his e-cig in his regular hangout bar. I've got a friend who's managed to stave off smoking all together the same way. I always figured she was one of the lucky ones, who just needed the nicotine. Me, I haven't managed it yet. I've been trying to switch to e-cigs for months, now, but I keep going back to actually baccy. It just feels so much better than a silly plastic thing that glows on the end when you pull on it. Maybe that's what it is, the feeling of the cigarette, not just the taste. When they can come up with an e-cigarette that's as light as a hand-rolled cig, that cackles when you light it, and doesn't feel like you're masticating a ball-point pen, then I'll switch to them. In the mean time, I'm going to have to make these herbals work..
With all due respect, it's called being Self Destructive. no more games... it's real this time!!! |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
2032
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Posted - 2013.12.17 22:59:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:Kairavi Mrithyakara wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:I have a relative who swears by e-cigs. He smokes his gadget exclusively now and never touches actual tobacco. And they even let him puff his e-cig in his regular hangout bar. I've got a friend who's managed to stave off smoking all together the same way. I always figured she was one of the lucky ones, who just needed the nicotine. Me, I haven't managed it yet. I've been trying to switch to e-cigs for months, now, but I keep going back to actually baccy. It just feels so much better than a silly plastic thing that glows on the end when you pull on it. Maybe that's what it is, the feeling of the cigarette, not just the taste. When they can come up with an e-cigarette that's as light as a hand-rolled cig, that cackles when you light it, and doesn't feel like you're masticating a ball-point pen, then I'll switch to them. In the mean time, I'm going to have to make these herbals work.. With all due respect, it's called being Self Destructive. I'm sorry man, but you're not winning any charm points here. There are a million things somebody could pick to preach about. Eating chili dogs is self-destructive. Living in a polluted First World country is self-destructive. Working in a stress-filled environment to earn your keep is self-destructive. Playing EVE all night instead of doing your homework, working on your guitar skills, or hanging with your family is (somewhat) self-destructive. I'm sorry, but are you a person who has overcome an addiction and is trying to help people out, or are you just being an opinionated church lady? |
Raven Shyanne
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.18 00:21:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Again, it's not the fact the smoking kills you.
It's the way it kills you.
You get a better nicotine profile from snuff.
I'd rather smell like an ashtray than have to carry around a bottle full of spit. But on the plus side at least you can use snuff/dip in airports and on airplanes. |
Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.18 00:32:00 -
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Speaking of addictions: I have a compulsive personality, and a marked tendency to abuse the hell out of whatever I may find pleasurable, be it tobacco, booze, weed, video games, sex, food, coffee, reading nonsense... you name it, and I will find a way to abuse it if I find it enjoyable.
I've been abusing one substance or another ever since my mid teens: over the years I've simply switched substances, but the abuse has remained constant. These days it's caffeine in whatever form I can get my hands on, which at least makes me more productive than when I was smoking stupid amounts of weed every single day (I used to grow it myself, so I always had too much of it around - I still binge on it every few months for a week or two, I do like weed a lot, but now I just buy it).
Anyway, kicking tobacco has been the most difficult, with several failed tries and relapses along the way, among other reasons because of the way nicotine addiction messes with your brain, thought processes and dopamine production. But I did some reading about these sort of things, which I found quite helpful in understanding and dealing with it.
In particular, I found this piece quite interesting - it's not specifically about tobacco addiction, but about addiction in general. It's a long read, but well worth it in my opinion for anyone dealing with these sort of things:
The Lizard Brain Addiction Monster
Here's little snippet, follow the link for more:
Quote:The conflict is really between the higher brain == the prefrontal lobes, and the base brain == the amygdala, or limbic system. The base brain is a wonderful machine, and it is very good at keeping us alive. It is the brain that never sleeps, the brain that remembers to keep us breathing all night long, and the brain that monitors the heart and keeps it going at the correct rate day and night. And the base brain is also the thing that says it is time to eat, and time to reproduce, and base brain says those things quite often, like nearly all of the time.
Everything that a dumb animal needs to survive for millions of years is found in the base brain; ask any frog, turtle, or lizard. Base brains can handle the five basic F's: Feed, ****, Fight or Flee, and Feel Good. (Feel good and avoid feeling bad, especially including avoid getting eaten by a big toothy predator, which really feels bad.) But we great apes have grown huge higher parts of the brain, and we have the ability to think in other channels. And sometimes, what the higher brain thinks is the opposite of what the lower brain thinks. We can logically conclude that we will get greater long-term happiness if we refrain, at least for right now, from pregnancy, or overeating, or intoxication, or drug consumption, while base brain thinks just the opposite, "Do it right now." Base brain doesn't understand "tomorrow" very well. Base brain has always demanded instant gratification. "Food now! Sex now! Feel good now!" Base brain is totally incapable of logically thinking about the long-term consequences of drinking, smoking, and drugging. Base brain can't do that any more than the toad or frog in your back yard can solve math problems.
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This base brain / higher brain conflict is still a huge problem when we are dealing with problems like excessive consumption of, or addiction to, drugs and alcohol. In the addict, base brain has come to believe that more drugs and alcohol means more pleasure, and base brain is all for it. And base brain also associates cigarettes, dope and drink with pain-killers, and wants to grab for them at the first sign of hunger, pain, fatigue, or other physical discomfort, or even mental discomfort like nervousness, anxiety, stress, tension, or some other emotional upset. But base brain cannot think logically about the long-term consequences of such consumption; that isn't how base brain works. Base brain just wants its hungers filled right now, period, and its pain killed right now, period. |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.12.18 12:01:00 -
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Been a smoker since i was a teenager my self. I will also be the first to admit that i started for the wrong reasons, and i will be one of the first to tell someone that they shouldent pick up the habit until they are older and know what the consequences are (and actually understand them).
That being said, i have no interest in quitting smoking, and it drives me completely mad that smokers seems to be way more understanding and polite then non smokers.
A few examples. Your standing waiting for a table to open at a resturant. Of course you want a smoke while waiting so you go outside to the ashtray. Several kids are playing around the ashtray because there is a bench or fountain or whatever. Completely understandable, kids get bored. But here is the thing. As a smoker there is no way i can use that ashtray now, and even if i chose to overlook the fact that peoples kids shouldent have to be affected by my smoke (even if the parents should have asked the kids to play at one of the other benches/fountains/whatever), i know that if a person dared to light up a smoke right next to the ashtray with the kids there the parents would freak out and have a few things to say to that mean inconsiderate smoker.
Another one is with friends who have managed to quit smoking. They could have smoked longer then you and more then you, but as soon as they stop smoking "your" the bad one because you have this dirty habit and your just "not good enough" to be able to stop.
And then of course you add on all the people that feels its their "responsibility" t tell everyone how bad smoking is for you and how there is something "wrong" with you for being a smoker. Would almost think that non smokers dont realize that we do have nice messages on our smokes saying things like "SMOKING KILLS!", sometimes accompanied with nice pictures of lungs and bad teeth's, and the mandatory number you can call to get help to quit smoking so you can add some years to your life
Maybe these people are just trying to help, but i wonder how they would feel if smokers started to push on them that they should start smoking because it feels good, and how they would feel when grown people start trashing down on them for something that does not affect them in any way or form (OP, no second hand smoking over EVE, forums or whatever online game you play, if second hand smoking bothers you ask your friends to smoke outside when they visit you).
But well, i might have started to smoke for the wrong reason, and yes im sure i wont live as long because of it (average life spam in my family is about 100 anyway, im sure i can afford to miss out on the last 20 or so years), but i enjoy the taste and how it makes me feel. I smoke outside, never smoke around kids unless i know the parents are ok with it, and try to put my self so the wind drives the smoke away from other people.
I might be slowly killing my self, but i like to think that im at least being a bit considerate in the progress... Now i can just wish more non smokers would be the same way
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Posted - 2013.12.18 12:16:00 -
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NightCrawler 85 wrote:Been a smoker since i was a teenager my self. I will also be the first to admit that i started for the wrong reasons, and i will be one of the first to tell someone that they shouldent pick up the habit until they are older and know what the consequences are (and actually understand them). That being said, i have no interest in quitting smoking, and it drives me completely mad that smokers seems to be way more understanding and polite then non smokers. A few examples. Your standing waiting for a table to open at a resturant. Of course you want a smoke while waiting so you go outside to the ashtray. Several kids are playing around the ashtray because there is a bench or fountain or whatever. Completely understandable, kids get bored. But here is the thing. As a smoker there is no way i can use that ashtray now, and even if i chose to overlook the fact that peoples kids shouldent have to be affected by my smoke (even if the parents should have asked the kids to play at one of the other benches/fountains/whatever), i know that if a person dared to light up a smoke right next to the ashtray with the kids there the parents would freak out and have a few things to say to that mean inconsiderate smoker. Another one is with friends who have managed to quit smoking. They could have smoked longer then you and more then you, but as soon as they stop smoking "your" the bad one because you have this dirty habit and your just "not good enough" to be able to stop. And then of course you add on all the people that feels its their "responsibility" t tell everyone how bad smoking is for you and how there is something "wrong" with you for being a smoker. Would almost think that non smokers dont realize that we do have nice messages on our smokes saying things like "SMOKING KILLS!", sometimes accompanied with nice pictures of lungs and bad teeth's, and the mandatory number you can call to get help to quit smoking so you can add some years to your life Maybe these people are just trying to help, but i wonder how they would feel if smokers started to push on them that they should start smoking because it feels good, and how they would feel when grown people start trashing down on them for something that does not affect them in any way or form (OP, no second hand smoking over EVE, forums or whatever online game you play, if second hand smoking bothers you ask your friends to smoke outside when they visit you). But well, i might have started to smoke for the wrong reason, and yes im sure i wont live as long because of it (average life spam in my family is about 100 anyway, im sure i can afford to miss out on the last 20 or so years), but i enjoy the taste and how it makes me feel. I smoke outside, never smoke around kids unless i know the parents are ok with it, and try to put my self so the wind drives the smoke away from other people. I might be slowly killing my self, but i like to think that im at least being a bit considerate in the progress... Now i can just wish more non smokers would be the same way I thought I was the only one. At the condo complex that I live, I even walk out into the parking lot, regardless of temp or weather, to smoke. We have a few smokers that go out on their balconies and I cannot do that. It's that being conscious of non-smokers thing.
So, to OP. Thank you for the advice. I will take it under advisement. *Pours coffee and goes out for smoke* Co-Host of the High Drag Podcast. http://highdrag.wordpress.com/ Check out the space music at http://minddivided.com |
Samoth Egnoled
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Posted - 2013.12.18 12:28:00 -
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They're my lungs and i'll smoke I wanna, Smoke if I wanna!
I'm actually a non smoker, and to be honest i couldn't care less if people want to smoke. It's their choice and i have to agree they are generally nicer people. Ego Sum Mortem Incarnatum - I Am Death Incarnate |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.12.18 15:02:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote: I'm sorry, but are you a person who has overcome an addiction and is trying to help people out, or are you just being an opinionated church lady?
For real !!!
OP has the overly-pompous attitude of having just discovered some kind of brand new information or something. In fact, it's quite insulting.
Negative castigation of behaviors have never ever changed anything or anyone.
Has OP even ever attempted quit something truly addictive ? It ain't easy. Even alcohol, it ain't easy at ALL. One does not just "do it".
OP is indeed troll as far as I'm concerned. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
VegasMirage
Side Effects. Serious Space Holding Alliance
1415
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Posted - 2013.12.18 19:58:00 -
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Recently, MGM Resorts in Las Vegas (where I'm from) did a study about second-hand smoke and the effects on non smoking employees who work in the casino and hospitality industry.
The study determined that there is no safe level of second-hand smoke and that the genetic make up of non smoking employees was changed due to the presence of second-hand smoke.
So, a smoker who does not have a predisposition for heart disease is smoking in public and a person with the genetic predisposition of cardiovascular disease is standing there waiting in line to enter the restaurant as you blow smoke in his face could actually be the beginning of a long hard life shortly after. You don't know what you're doing to others and it seems from some of your responses you frankly don't care.
This is NOT preaching it's scientific fact that is no longer debated even by the largest tobacco companies.
It's not fair that you stand on a ledge and while jumping to your death grab the lady watching you. Smoke e-cigs when in public, chew tobacco, eat hash brownies I don't care - stop blowing smoke up my ass when you're killing yourself.
Also, I don't mind paying the higher tax for all your health issues, but at least don't try to sicken sane individuals who care about their quality of life.
That's to the immature few who see this as a soap box opportunity from a "church lady". Also, the tough guy/sexy lady thing you think your projecting is a lie. Grow up.
So, explain now why you still smoke anything but smokeless options. Also, please understand I write pretty terse and to the point, but I don't mean to be rude. This is written with all respect due an Eve capsuleer.
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Snagletooth Johnson
Snagle Material Services CAStabouts
33
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Posted - 2013.12.18 20:56:00 -
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Recent studies have shown that biggest killer is living. if you are living, there is a 99.9999% that you are going to die. The longer you live, the more likely that you are going to die. Thses statistics, verified by science, clealry outstrip death by smoking, or anything elese for that matter.
So, please, for God's sake, EVERYONE please stop living, before you all die! |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.12.18 22:00:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote: Research that proved how bad smokers where and why smokers are all naughty people that can be blamed for(by the sounds of the OP) every single death.
Lets look at what causes the most deaths shall we? Granted, these numbers seems to be older, but doubt it has changed that much (please note how far down on the list lung cancer is).
Now lets look at the top one on said list, Cardiovascular disease. And now just for fun, tell me why you are not upset about the fact that a lot of other things causes this except smoking, and if your going to make a thread to address those as well? Since i cant trust that you actually will read said post the causes here.
Evidence suggests a number of risk factors for heart disease: age, gender, high blood pressure, high serum cholesterol levels, tobacco smoking, excessive alcohol consumption, sugar consumption,[9][10] family history, obesity, lack of physical activity, psychosocial factors, diabetes mellitus, air pollution.
Now also note that age (yes that thing you cant prevent unless your a bad bad smoker) plays a big factor in this as well.
Age is by far the most important risk factor in developing cardiovascular diseases, with approximately a tripling of risk with each decade of life.[6] It is estimated that 82 percent of people who die of coronary heart disease are 65 and older.[12] At the same time, the risk of stroke doubles every decade after age 55.
But oh my! There is even more dangerous acts you can do that increases the risk for this! Sex
Men are at greater risk of heart disease than pre-menopausal women.[6][16] Once past menopause, it has been argued that a woman's risk is similar to a man's[16] although more recent data from the WHO and UN disputes this. Among middle-aged people, coronary heart disease is 2 to 5 times more common in men than in women.[14] In a study done by the World Health Organization, sex contributes to approximately 40% of the variation in the sex ratios of coronary heart disease mortality.
Yes, you parents (and im sure your self) where very very naughty and put them selfes at risk!
So yea...Sorry while there is a lot of truth in how bad smoking is, that does not give you or anyone else the right to lecture smokers or non smokers on how "bad" they are unless you are willing to look at all the other things out there that causes MORE deaths then smoking, and then trash down on them equally to smokers.
Now for why people still smoke... Apparently you have decided to not read any replies where people say why they smoke, and your convinced that everyone smokes for the "cool factor" (which is a stage that passes once your 16 btw), but im sure that if you actually read peoples post you might see that smokers are often more considerate with who they smoke around, where they smoke, when they smoke, and WHY they choose to smoke even if people like you insist that you have any say in what they do in their own homes or designated smoking areas
(Hint, if there is an ashtray around, it means people are allowed to smoke, stay away from the ashtray if it bothers you, and if you work in a casino that allows indoor smoking..well its not the smokers fault that some places still allows indoor smoking while more and more places have been outdoor smoking only for the past 10+ years, take it up with your boss, not smokers who has nothing to do with you, or your work place)
Way to late for this..smoke then bed time for me
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Something Random
The Barrow Boys
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Posted - 2013.12.18 22:59:00 -
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Spark up some skunk, thats green and apparently doesnt contain 'NICOTEEN'
Therefore its good, and your governments **** if they dont say so too.
My government is almost ****. Theyre still mulling over it.
However i have been party to government that wasnt so **** - and it was fun. Dose of salts here.
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Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
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Posted - 2013.12.18 23:54:00 -
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VegasMirage wrote:Everything is calculated risks, so why take on so much risk with absolutely no benefit? You've been brainwashed to think cigarettes are "cool", make you look "cool" or go well with things like coffee or alcohol. Your self perception is bent.
Brainwashed by 'The Marlboro Man' and killer logos like Camel "Turkish Blend"... and you accept this by making excuses for the product and their advertised perceived "benefits".
You're a product of a mediated reality. You are not free, you are a slave to somebody else's profits.
Yep, this is all true. Many smokers will throw studies at you that basically all say the same thing: "it's not that bad", or "it's not as bad as [insert something deadly here]", or "my [elderly family member] lived until eleventy-hundred!", but the truth is, they're not trying to convince you, they're trying to convince themselves. Most of those studies still say that smoking will kill you, but they like to ignore that part for the excuses the studies offer them, most of which can be easily traced to corporate tobacco 'research' endeavours.
I am a smoker. I got into the habit working in a high-stress environment, where the high-stress beat down on my self-esteem enough to allow peer pressure to get to me. As a result, I've been smoking for eleven years now, and it's my fault, because I'm the one that made that choice to start.
There is a problem though: at the same time as loving the calming effect a cigarette seems to have on me, I am nervous about the threat to my physical health, and would love to be able to quit. I explore options occasionally, but my life does not allow for much opportunity to start. I have made many attempts in the past, all aborted, because it is highly addictive as well, and incredibly difficult to quit.
Thing is, the studies have been done, for decades now, and they all reach the same conclusion: smoking kills. Not everyone, but usually when it does kill, it kills people before their time. I'm only 30, I'd like to live at least another 30 years and I'll be honest... I don't think I will, and that scares me, but I'm gonna try anyway.
But while I'm still smoking, while I'm making excuses to keep doing it but secretly, on the inside, I want to quit, like every other smoker, I'd rather not be made to feel guilty about it. See, when you make a smoker feel guilty about what they do, that's when the backfire effect kicks in, and suddenly, they want to smoke more, and even blow it in your face for being a right judgemental prick. Here I am, thinking to myself, "man, I really need to quit," and some obnoxious so-and-so that doesn't know the first thing about me comes along and tells me what I already know, worse, tells me I'm a bad person for it? Yep, they're gonna get smoke in their face.
Here's the thing, unless you've been addicted to smoking before, or even better, been in the exact same circumstances as the person you're judging (ie any mental illness they might have, workplace conditions, home life, etc, and I might the EXACT IDENTICAL circumstances), then you do not know what you're talking about. No matter what studies you've read, you do not know anything about that person's habit and/or addiction.
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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1106
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Posted - 2013.12.19 00:33:00 -
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Let's be real here, and to be clear, I have a Master's Degree in Exercise Science and Wellness Education, the real problem with smoking is that most smokers do it in absolute and extreme excess, with cigarettes laden with non naturally occurring chemicals added to the tobacco to make it burn faster.
If one was to smoke say less than 3-4 cigarettes a day, exercised vigorously for at least 45 minutes a day and ate a healthy diet, smoking would not be that 'bad' for you as you would be able to get rid of most of the carbon monoxide that one inhales. When we get down to it the above mentioned is one of the biggest issues with smoking, decreases in oxygen delivery to all of the body's tissues basically suffocates the tissues slowly.
Carbon monoxide takes @ 3 times as much energy to break the bond on a hemoglobin molecule than it takes to break off carbon dioxide.
The real issue that plagues the people of the industrialized world and their behavior patterns is that most do everything in extreme excess instead of moderation. Exercise in excess can kill you faster than smoking two packs of cigarettes a day....if the genetics are there. |
Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2144
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Posted - 2013.12.19 02:17:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:Let's be real here, and to be clear, I have a Master's Degree in Exercise Science and Wellness Education, the real problem with smoking is that most smokers do it in absolute and extreme excess, with cigarettes laden with non naturally occurring chemicals added to the tobacco to make it burn faster.
If one was to smoke say less than 3-4 natural cigarettes a day, exercised vigorously for at least 45 minutes a day and ate a healthy diet, smoking would not be that 'bad' for you as you would be able to get rid of most of the carbon monoxide that one inhales. When we get down to it the above mentioned is one of the biggest issues with smoking, decreases in oxygen delivery to all of the body's tissues basically suffocates the tissues slowly.
Carbon monoxide takes @ 3 times as much energy to break the bond on a hemoglobin molecule than it takes to break off carbon dioxide.
The real issue that plagues the people of the industrialized world and their behavior patterns is that most do everything in extreme excess instead of moderation. Exercise in excess can kill you faster than smoking two packs of cigarettes a day....if the genetics are there.
"I have a degree and that makes me right" is called an argument from authority. Let's say, for argument's sake, that this is the internet and no one has any reason to believe your qualifications, even if 'wellness education' was a degree one could take seriously, where is your evidence that the naturally-occurring nicotine in tobacco has nothing to do with the addiction that people get to smoking it, even without adding anything to it, thereby causing them to increase their intake until it becomes an excess, and that inhaling anything other than the native air our bodies evolved to breathe can in any way be beneficial to the point of outweighing the risks? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
95
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Posted - 2013.12.19 04:00:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:If one was to smoke say less than 3-4 natural cigarettes a day, exercised vigorously for at least 45 minutes a day and ate a healthy diet, smoking would not be that 'bad' for you as you would be able to get rid of most of the carbon monoxide that one inhales. When we get down to it the above mentioned is one of the biggest issues with smoking, decreases in oxygen delivery to all of the body's tissues basically suffocates the tissues slowly.
Carbon monoxide takes @ 3 times as much energy to break the bond on a hemoglobin molecule than it takes to break off carbon dioxide..
Smoking tobacco has harmful effects that go far beyond those of inhaling carbon monoxide. Tobacco has substances that have even been shown - as of a study of last year - that may damage DNA and cause genetic mutations.
Aside from that, nicotine is a highly addictive substance that messes up with your brain's dopamine circuitry, just as heroin and cocaine do, and some studies have shown that it can be as addictive as those. While everyone's different and YMMV, to most people the idea that one can simply smoke casually less than 3-4 cigarettes a day on the long run, is simply wishful thinking.
Everyone is free to choose whether to smoke or not and assume the risks and consequences regardless of all this, but do take the choice on a properly informed basis.
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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1106
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Posted - 2013.12.19 14:33:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:Let's be real here, and to be clear, I have a Master's Degree in Exercise Science and Wellness Education, the real problem with smoking is that most smokers do it in absolute and extreme excess, with cigarettes laden with non naturally occurring chemicals added to the tobacco to make it burn faster.
If one was to smoke say less than 3-4 natural cigarettes a day, exercised vigorously for at least 45 minutes a day and ate a healthy diet, smoking would not be that 'bad' for you as you would be able to get rid of most of the carbon monoxide that one inhales. When we get down to it the above mentioned is one of the biggest issues with smoking, decreases in oxygen delivery to all of the body's tissues basically suffocates the tissues slowly.
Carbon monoxide takes @ 3 times as much energy to break the bond on a hemoglobin molecule than it takes to break off carbon dioxide.
The real issue that plagues the people of the industrialized world and their behavior patterns is that most do everything in extreme excess instead of moderation. Exercise in excess can kill you faster than smoking two packs of cigarettes a day....if the genetics are there. "I have a degree and that makes me right" is called an argument from authority. Let's say, for argument's sake, that this is the internet and no one has any reason to believe your qualifications, even if ' wellness education' was a degree one could take seriously, where is your evidence that the naturally-occurring nicotine in tobacco has nothing to do with the addiction that people get to smoking it, even without adding anything to it, thereby causing them to increase their intake until it becomes an excess, and that inhaling anything other than the native air our bodies evolved to breathe can in any way be beneficial to the point of outweighing the risks?
First off, I never said that nicotine was not addictive. Secondly, I never said that smoking was not harmful, actually the direct opposite. I listed my qualifications so as to let people know that my extremely controversial opinion was coming with someone with 'qualifications'. The fact that is Argumentum ab auctoritate does not bother me as I do not care whether or not people believe my qualifications my ethics state that I let people know them, whether or not they accept them or not is up to them.
The problem is not substance abuse or unhealthy behavioral patterns but why people get stuck in unhealthy cyclical behavioral patterns to begin with. If we are able to start teaching our children that the substances are not the evil thing but how we abuse it we will never truly begin to solve the problem that faces many in our world.
I never said tobacco was unhealthy and I qualified a statement about something that is touted to be the best thing for you can actually kill you as well. The health and wellness fields are convoluted at best and rely on extremely varied research arenas with varied levels of vetting. The fact of the matter is not that tobacco is unhealthy but why people abuse something so blatantly unhealthy so excessively.
In finale, I do believe, that if someone lives a life with properly balanced diet and exercise routine, can enjoy the usage of 'dangerous' substances and enjoy stress relief from the 'high' while minimizing the risk of chosen substances use through extreme moderation. |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1108
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Posted - 2013.12.20 00:34:00 -
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P.S. The fact that you scoff at the Title of my degree shows how little you know of the fields of discussion yourself
Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:If one was to smoke say less than 3-4 natural cigarettes a day, exercised vigorously for at least 45 minutes a day and ate a healthy diet, smoking would not be that 'bad' for you as you would be able to get rid of most of the carbon monoxide that one inhales. When we get down to it the above mentioned is one of the biggest issues with smoking, decreases in oxygen delivery to all of the body's tissues basically suffocates the tissues slowly.
Carbon monoxide takes @ 3 times as much energy to break the bond on a hemoglobin molecule than it takes to break off carbon dioxide.. Smoking tobacco has harmful effects that go far beyond those of inhaling carbon monoxide. Tobacco has substances that have even been shown - as of a study of last year - that may damage DNA and cause genetic mutations. Aside from that, nicotine is a highly addictive substance that messes up with your brain's dopamine circuitry, just as h eroin and c ocaine do, and some studies have shown that it can be as addictive as those. While everyone's different and YMMV, to most people the idea that one can simply smoke casually less than 3-4 cigarettes a day on the long run, is simply wishful thinking. Everyone is free to choose whether to smoke or not and assume the risks and consequences regardless of all this, but do take the choice on a properly informed basis.
I said that carbon monoxide inhalation was 'one' of the worst aspects. I also hypothesize that one would be hard pressed to not be able to find a link between CO inhalation and most of the other side effects of smoking tobacco....that is how research works lol
If you read above I am whole heartedly aware that the problem is systemic in nature, but I have a feeling that my comments have been misconstrued. Once someone is addicted the behavior change process is a long and hard road and rarely includes moderate usage after said change has entered the maintenance phase. But if we do not start teaching our children to deal with stress properly...whatever way that is.... the problem of substance/behavioral abuse patters will never be diminished.
Most of my comments about moderate usage of 'substances' or 'unhealthy' behavioral practices was aimed at people that are not currently addicted to something and/or do not have addictive personalities.
I am the latter. I have not little to no trouble ceasing usage of any substance I have partook in and the list of non tried substances is much much shorter than the tried list. Why am I different than others? I have been dealing with Crohn's disease since I was 13. Why was I able to not let the depression and social anxiety that came with that struggle over power me and bury me in an addictive gerbil wheel when I did try some of the worlds most addictive substances? We may never no, but the sure fire way to fail is to demonize the substance and delve into the arena of prohibition....not that that is where this discussion was going |
Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2148
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Posted - 2013.12.20 00:59:00 -
[70] - Quote
Slade Trillgon wrote:
I listed my qualifications so as to let people know that my extremely controversial opinion was coming from someone with 'qualifications'.
Well as long as it's just an opinion, then qualifications are irrelevant, aren't they. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1110
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Posted - 2013.12.20 02:59:00 -
[71] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:
I listed my qualifications so as to let people know that my extremely controversial opinion was coming from someone with 'qualifications'.
Well as long as it's just an opinion, then qualifications are irrelevant, aren't they.
Wrong. |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
1018
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Posted - 2013.12.20 03:15:00 -
[72] - Quote
(I slowly light my cherry wood pipe, fill it with cavendish tobacco, light it, puff, and then drink a sip from my glass filled with "Swing" scotch on the rocks and read this very thoroughly)
Yeah, I don't like cigarettes much, that crap isn't real tobacco anyway, but I fully respect people-¦s desire to smoke and approve of selected smoking areas, anyone here ever went on a metro ride in Madrid before 2005? I remember going anywhere during the morning, every single time the doors opened SWATHES OF BIG HUGE cigarette smoke waded thru the whole station, man it was really really bad back in the day.
I hardly go to places where smoking is allowed, the smell, unlike pipe tobacco, is quite acrid, same reasons I dont like cheap cigars much unless they are grade A tobacco. You can literally smell the quality of a cigar, not an excuse, but a matter of personal tastes.
Tobacco smoking is a pleasant hobby if done well, but people, for several reasons, take it to such extremes, that I sometimes feel bad for guys that I saw light a new cigarette with an old one in succession smoking 2 to 3 packs on a work day, only to see them get more anxious and collapse, since all they had for breakfast was a coffee and nicotine. That-¦s just bad habits.
I mean, nothing beats a good old Cuban or Dominican Cigar with a cup of rum after a hearty meal, but from there going to chain smoking them, well, people need to set self-boundaries, but I can respect their habits, and as much I might know what they are doing is bad for their bodies, no one can walk in another-¦s shoes and tell them what to do or how to live their life.
It-¦s the same with alcohol and any other stimulant. There-¦s no moderation, there is just this overwhelming need to dull the senses in whatever substances you have at hand. And usually because you tend to do said action under bad circumstances, stress mostly and then ending up addicted.
I don-¦t see a problem with smoking like OP sees, I see a problem in people-¦s habits of just going to extremes, cognitive therapy helps a lot with that, but I don-¦t see the need to sermon others from a high and mighty pedestal telling them its bad and they like need to stop NAO or ELSE!
EVERYONE these days knows smoking is bad for your health. There is no secret there, no evil lizardlord agenda of destruction hidden from the eyes of the populace.
If you want to get alarmed, get alarmed at the atrocities of trans-fats, the perennial Big Pharma campaign against vitamins, the insane amounts of mercury in edible fish, processed foods labeled as healthy that are just laden with chemicals and how Water treatment plants cant filter out hormones/prescription drugs out of the water.
Those are very interesting topics of discussion that make me wanna don a tinfoil hat and add to the discussion, but smoking really?
What-¦s next? STD-¦s?
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Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
707
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Posted - 2013.12.20 14:05:00 -
[73] - Quote
Black Panpher wrote:@ OP not everyone is smoking tobacco... Xuixien wrote:Again, it's not the fact the smoking kills you.
It's the way it kills you.
You get a better nicotine profile from snuff. You should maybe look into the way snuff kills you lol...
Actually as countries in Europe moved from smoking to snuff, their rates of oral cancer declined. Research shows that the risk of oral cancer from smokeless tobacco is barely above the baseline rate. AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
707
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Posted - 2013.12.20 14:08:00 -
[74] - Quote
Raven Shyanne wrote:Xuixien wrote:Again, it's not the fact the smoking kills you.
It's the way it kills you.
You get a better nicotine profile from snuff. I'd rather smell like an ashtray than have to carry around a bottle full of spit. But on the plus side at least you can use snuff/dip in airports and on airplanes.
Well snuff ("snus" in Sweden) and dip are two somewhat different things. Snus does not produce spitting. "Dip" often produces spitting in inexperienced users. After a couple of weeks you no longer need to spit - you can control your salivation and you can control how much of the tobacco "juice" gets into your spit. If you dip for more than a month and you're still spitting, you're doing it wrong. Try a top deck. AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
2054
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Posted - 2013.12.20 15:04:00 -
[75] - Quote
::Walks down the sidewalk, detects a little tobacco smoke rising from this thread. Goes past 10 feet away, then without looking back or making eye contact, does a loud, meaningful *cough cough*.:: I love it when people do that. It makes me feel superior to the passive aggressive little wiener. |
Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
709
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Posted - 2013.12.20 15:12:00 -
[76] - Quote
Khergit Deserters wrote:::Walks down the sidewalk, detects a little tobacco smoke rising from this thread. Goes past 10 feet away, then without looking back or making eye contact, does a loud, meaningful *cough cough*.:: I love it when people do that. It makes me feel superior to the passive aggressive little wiener.
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Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
710
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Posted - 2013.12.20 15:24:00 -
[77] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:One does not just "do it".
Actually, when you do quite, you in fact "just do it".
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Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
710
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Posted - 2013.12.20 15:34:00 -
[78] - Quote
NightCrawler 85 wrote:Lets look at what causes the most deaths shall we? Granted, these numbers seems to be older, but doubt it has changed that much (please note how far down on the list lung cancer is).
Actually you need to look at the table that juxtaposes developing and developed nations. Hint: Developed nations smoke more.
Lung Cancer is number 5. COPD (which is caused almost exclusively by smoking in developed nations) is number 3.
Ishemic heart disease... well that's multifaceted. It's due to narrowing of the arteries in the heart due to plaques. This can be partly dietary. But it can also be caused by smoking - smoking raises the blood pressure, which has been shown to cause irritation and damage to the endothelial lining of the vasculature (in particular the arteries). The carbon monoxide in cigarette smoke has been proven to cause irritation to the endothelial lining as well. These small tears and areas of irritation are where the plaque forms. Thrombosis (clotting) is also another factor involved in a heart attack. Smoking has been shown to increase clotting in the blood. So when you smoke you are literally creating an environment conducive to heart attacks (and strokes - ie, cerebrovascular disease - which is number 2 on that list).
The top three killers in developed nations are all linked to smoking.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
2055
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Posted - 2013.12.20 16:40:00 -
[79] - Quote
Xuixien wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:::Walks down the sidewalk, detects a little tobacco smoke rising from this thread. Goes past 10 feet away, then without looking back or making eye contact, does a loud, meaningful *cough cough*.:: I love it when people do that. It makes me feel superior to the passive aggressive little wiener. They're trying to politely call you on your rudeness. What's rude about it? It's outdoors, and the smoke is going up. Or there's a little breeze, at most they're just going to smell a little tobacco smoke. Does that put them at grave risk from second-hand smoke? As for "polite," there's nothing polite about it. It's basically saying "F you" to somebody. But not having the guts to say it to their face. They can kiss my Butt. (See what I did there?) |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1189
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Posted - 2013.12.21 14:55:00 -
[80] - Quote
Xuixien wrote:NightCrawler 85 wrote:Lets look at what causes the most deaths shall we? Granted, these numbers seems to be older, but doubt it has changed that much (please note how far down on the list lung cancer is). Actually you need to look at the table that juxtaposes developing and developed nations. Hint: Developed nations smoke more. Lung Cancer is number 5. COPD (which is caused almost exclusively by smoking in developed nations) is number 3. Ishemic heart disease... well that's multifaceted. It's due to narrowing of the arteries in the heart due to plaques. This can be partly dietary. But it can also be caused by smoking - smoking raises the blood pressure, which has been shown to cause irritation and damage to the endothelial lining of the vasculature (in particular the arteries). The carbon monoxide in cigarette smoke has been proven to cause irritation to the endothelial lining as well. These small tears and areas of irritation are where the plaque forms. Thrombosis (clotting) is also another factor involved in a heart attack. Smoking has been shown to increase clotting in the blood. So when you smoke you are literally creating an environment conducive to heart attacks (and strokes - ie, cerebrovascular disease - which is number 2 on that list). The top three killers in developed nations are all linked to smoking.
I just want to point out that all the research done on smoking focuses on heavy smoking. Not as bad as, but similar to the research that shows that one can overdose from inhalation of ********* smoke. They put chimps in a small enclosed boxes and pumped it full of '********* smoke', which caused the chimps to die from asphyxiation, and then concluded that smoking pot can kill you. Well no **** Sherlock, breathing excessive amounts of smoke into your lungs is bad for you. Again, smoking is not the problem. People's inabilities to control their impulses is what kills people early. |
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Magna Mortem
the noise a cow makes while mating
52
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Posted - 2013.12.21 19:04:00 -
[81] - Quote
Here, something positive.
Study finds no link between secondhand smoke and cancer. http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/12/12/study-finds-no-link-between-secondhand-smoke-and-cancer/
Anyhow.
Quote:as you blow smoke in his face could actually be the beginning of a long hard life shortly after. This is fear mongering and you should be ashamed of yourself.
For those who are unable to follow, he basically says: "One single blow of smoke into your face has a chance of changing your life for the worse."
This is complete and utter bull. The body doesn't work like that. A single event will not do that. We are all exposed to much more dirt, smog and carcinogenics every day in your typical first world city.
If your fear mongering was actually true, we'd be all dead already and our kids probably wouldn't surpass their fourth year.
You should rather tell us what the **** is wrong with you, that you have to start such a thread and display that this topic somehow affects you. Nobody comes up with this "just so".
Let it out. |
Magna Mortem
the noise a cow makes while mating
52
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Posted - 2013.12.21 19:07:00 -
[82] - Quote
Xuixien wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:::Walks down the sidewalk, detects a little tobacco smoke rising from this thread. Goes past 10 feet away, then without looking back or making eye contact, does a loud, meaningful *cough cough*.:: I love it when people do that. It makes me feel superior to the passive aggressive little wiener. They're trying to politely call you on your rudeness. No. They are unable to act like a normal, rational human being and talk to you directly, but instead have to hide themselves behind something you call "politeness" and I call "being a liar, a coward and a hypocrit". |
Cesha Xenon
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2013.12.22 00:32:00 -
[83] - Quote
Romeo and Juliet are sitting and smoking the joint. Juliet gives it a few puffs, then says in a husky, smoky voice: -I love you so much, Romeo! Then gives the joint back to Romeo, who smokes it for a bit and replies: -Same $***!
Russian translation
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SKINE DMZ
Stay Frosty.
275
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Posted - 2013.12.22 16:28:00 -
[84] - Quote
always have a nice smoke when playing Eve lol at some of the people in this thread specially xuixiun kid I disagree |
Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
724
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Posted - 2013.12.24 14:48:00 -
[85] - Quote
Khergit Deserters wrote:Xuixien wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:::Walks down the sidewalk, detects a little tobacco smoke rising from this thread. Goes past 10 feet away, then without looking back or making eye contact, does a loud, meaningful *cough cough*.:: I love it when people do that. It makes me feel superior to the passive aggressive little wiener. They're trying to politely call you on your rudeness. What's rude about it? It's outdoors, and the smoke is going up. Or there's a little breeze, at most they're just going to smell a little tobacco smoke. Does that put them at grave risk from second-hand smoke? As for "polite," there's nothing polite about it. It's basically saying "F you, I want to you know that what you're doing is bothering me. Me, me me!" But not having the guts to say it to the person's face. They can kiss my Butt. (See what I did there?)
Do you think it' rude to blast loud music in public?
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Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
724
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Posted - 2013.12.24 14:50:00 -
[86] - Quote
Magna Mortem wrote:Xuixien wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:::Walks down the sidewalk, detects a little tobacco smoke rising from this thread. Goes past 10 feet away, then without looking back or making eye contact, does a loud, meaningful *cough cough*.:: I love it when people do that. It makes me feel superior to the passive aggressive little wiener. They're trying to politely call you on your rudeness. No. They are unable to act like a normal, rational human being and talk to you directly, but instead have to hide themselves behind something you call "politeness" and I call "being a liar, a coward and a hypocrit".
And you're qualified to determine what's normal and rational for human beings?
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
84941
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Posted - 2013.12.24 15:53:00 -
[87] - Quote
Now.......................let's start talking about the health risks of bacon. Or, how about corn syrup ?
Don't get me started on alcohol.
Why is OP only focused on smoking, which is just making him seem like a proselytizer, with all the zeal of wanting everybody to be "born again" ? "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
724
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Posted - 2013.12.24 16:24:00 -
[88] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Why is OP only focused on smoking
Because OP made a thread about smoking?
That's... the subject of the thread?
If OP made a thread about bacon...
...then the subject of that thread would be bacon.
Would you then reply "why is OP only focusing on bacon?"
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Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
2177
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Posted - 2013.12.25 13:17:00 -
[89] - Quote
Slade Trillgon wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:
I listed my qualifications so as to let people know that my extremely controversial opinion was coming from someone with 'qualifications'.
Well as long as it's just an opinion, then qualifications are irrelevant, aren't they. Wrong.
No, right, because qualifications are irrelevant on the internet. You could tell me you're a bricklayer and I have no reason to believe you at all. Use some citations in your arguments, as a qualified person would do, or at least use some merit, and maybe your opinion might be considered more worth taking seriously. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
85020
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Posted - 2013.12.25 13:23:00 -
[90] - Quote
Xuixien wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Why is OP only focused on smoking Because OP made a thread about smoking? That's... the subject of the thread? If OP made a thread about bacon... ...then the subject of that thread would be bacon. Would you then reply "why is OP only focusing on bacon?"
No. OP's approach is condescending, as I stated in my above post comparing him to an Christian being obsessed with "spreading the word".....and about something....that every living soul on Earth already is quite aware of, seemingly blind to the fact that anyone still smoking has made this deliberate choice.
Thread is irrelevant and useless, therefore not a thread.
There are plenty of other things we do that kill us as well.
I'd personally like to hear the same zeal though, but aimed at alcohol.
Finally...........you need to get better at your trolling. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
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Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
732
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Posted - 2013.12.25 14:34:00 -
[91] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Xuixien wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Why is OP only focused on smoking Because OP made a thread about smoking? That's... the subject of the thread? If OP made a thread about bacon... ...then the subject of that thread would be bacon. Would you then reply "why is OP only focusing on bacon?" No. OP's approach is condescending
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
85025
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Posted - 2013.12.25 14:36:00 -
[92] - Quote
Xuixien wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Xuixien wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Why is OP only focused on smoking Because OP made a thread about smoking? That's... the subject of the thread? If OP made a thread about bacon... ...then the subject of that thread would be bacon. Would you then reply "why is OP only focusing on bacon?" No. OP's approach is condescending Which has exactly **** to do with what I said.
You cannot read then. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
SKINE DMZ
Stay Frosty.
291
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Posted - 2013.12.25 14:58:00 -
[93] - Quote
Xuixien wrote:Magna Mortem wrote:Xuixien wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:::Walks down the sidewalk, detects a little tobacco smoke rising from this thread. Goes past 10 feet away, then without looking back or making eye contact, does a loud, meaningful *cough cough*.:: I love it when people do that. It makes me feel superior to the passive aggressive little wiener. They're trying to politely call you on your rudeness. No. They are unable to act like a normal, rational human being and talk to you directly, but instead have to hide themselves behind something you call "politeness" and I call "being a liar, a coward and a hypocrit". And you're qualified to determine what's normal and rational for human beings? Inhaling smoke filled with carcinogens... rational human beings... uh what? lol, get real you little boy I disagree |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
85030
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Posted - 2013.12.25 15:06:00 -
[94] - Quote
SKINE DMZ wrote:Xuixien wrote:
Inhaling smoke filled with carcinogens... rational human beings... uh what?
lol, get real you little boy
Yeah It'll be real hard to convince me he's over 12. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Thatt Guy
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
45
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Posted - 2013.12.25 15:47:00 -
[95] - Quote
VegasMirage wrote:Please stop this bad habit. It's amazing how many of you still smoke cigarettes.
Come on, it's not the 70's even the tobacco companies advertise you're gonna die if you do it. Stop now. Ok.
because this guy should decide what I do |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
655
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Posted - 2013.12.25 16:00:00 -
[96] - Quote
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The rules: 2. Be respectful toward others at all times.
The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others.
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. ISD Ezwal Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
732
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Posted - 2013.12.25 16:08:00 -
[97] - Quote
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Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
611
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Posted - 2013.12.25 23:43:00 -
[98] - Quote
I smoked until I got bronchitis from it, after that, never ever again.
Plus someone told me it makes you age faster, that was actually more scary than the threat of cancer. |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1198
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Posted - 2013.12.26 12:37:00 -
[99] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote: No, right, because qualifications are irrelevant on the internet. You could tell me you're a bricklayer and I have no reason to believe you at all. Use some citations in your arguments, as a qualified person would do, or at least use some merit, and maybe your opinion might be considered more worth taking seriously.
Would I need to site research in the professional setting to you? In your opinion even if I have a degree sitting behind me on my desk, when you are sitting across from me, would mean nothing as well. So why do professional put them up? My opinion is based on practice with thousands of people. I can not post research to support my opinion. I pointed out that the only research done on the topic is done on populations that smoke heavily. Not in moderation like I said. Therefore, I have to rely on my ability to speak with a modicum of logic, present the qualifications that I do have, and then let my words stir thoughts. If you have no interest in my qualifications then ignore them and argue against my opinions with the research you want to counter if that is what you want to do. As I said my opinion is an opinion based on practice. And trust me, I can post research to any topic and do when it is there.
1) Do cognitive attributions for smoking predict subsequent smoking development?
Source: Addictive Behaviors. Mar2012, Vol. 37 Issue 3, p273-279. 7p.
Geographic Terms: CHINA
Abstract: To develop more effective anti-smoking programs, it is important to understand the factors that influence people to smoke. Guided by attribution theory, a longitudinal study was conducted to investigate how individuals'' cognitive attributions for smoking were associated with subsequent smoking development and through which pathways. Middle and high school students in seven large cities in China (N=12,382; 48.5% boys and 51.5% girls) completed two annual surveys. Associations between cognitive attributions for smoking and subsequent smoking initiation and progression were tested with multilevel analysis, taking into account plausible moderation effects of gender and baseline smoking status. Mediation effects of susceptibility to smoking were investigated using statistical mediation analysis (MacKinnon, 2008). Six out of eight tested themes of cognitive attributions were associated with subsequent smoking development. Curiosity (+¦ =0.11, p <0.001) and autonomy (+¦ =0.08, p =0.019) were associated with smoking initiation among baseline non-smokers. Coping (+¦ =0.07, p< 0.001) and social image (+¦ =0.10, p =<.0001) were associated with smoking progression among baseline lifetime smokers. Social image (+¦ =0.05, p =0.043), engagement (+¦ =0.07, p =0.003), and mental enhancement (+¦ =0.15, p <0.001) were associated with smoking progression among baseline past 30-day smokers. More attributions were associated with smoking development among males than among females. Susceptibility to smoking partially mediated most of the associations, with the proportion of mediated effects ranging from 4.3% to 30.8%. This study identifies the roles that cognitive attributions for smoking play in subsequent smoking development. These attributions could be addressed in smoking prevention programs.
2) Exploring Peers as a Mediator of the Association Between Depression and Smoking in Young Adolescents.
Source: Substance Use & Misuse. 2005, Vol. 40 Issue 1, p77-98. 22p. 5 Charts.
Abstract: Recent research has suggested that depression causes teens to begin smoking to elevate their mood. Other studies, however, have suggested the reverse causal direction: smoking causes depression. To gain a more complete understanding of the relationship between smoking and depression, potential mediators should be explored. This study explored how peer influences could mediate the relationship between depression and smoking. The methodology of Baron and Kenney was followed to test for mediation and moderation. Peers mediated the relationship between depression and smoking. Separate analyses by gender showed that depression remained significantly associated with smoking when peers were included in the model for girls only. Peer influence was related to depressed affect for both genders. These results provide evidence that peer influences are an important variable to take into consideration when addressing a depression smoking relationship.
3) A two-year follow-up investigation of parenting and peer influences on tobacco use onset among Italian early adolescents.
Source: European Journal of Developmental Psychology. Sep2011, Vol. 8 Issue 5, p573-586. 14p.
Abstract: The aim of this study was to investigate the influence of peer and family influences on tobacco use onset among Italian early adolescents at two-year follow-up. Participants were 161 adolescents aged 11 to 12 (M = 11.14, SD = 0.39; 49% female) living in the northwest of Italy. Multiple logistic regressions were used. Results indicated that increases in positive family climate were negatively associated with lifetime smoking among non-smokers at two-year follow-up. Additionally, parental knowledge of child daily activities decreased lifetime smoking at two-year follow-up. Moderation analyses revealed that parental knowledge reduced the effect of peers' influence on youth smoking onset at two-year follow-up. This study underlined the influence of parenting practices in preventing early smoking initiation in Italy.
So; there is research out there trying to find out why people abuse behaviors, but as I said no research looking at moderate use of smoking but you can find research on moderate alcohol consumption though.
4) Alcohol in moderation, premorbid intelligence and cognition in older adults: results from the Psychiatric Morbidity Survey.
Source: Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery & Psychiatry. Nov2009, Vol. 80 Issue 11, p1236-1239. 4p. 4 Charts.
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Slade Trillgon
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AIMS: To test the hypothesis that the association previously reported between moderate alcohol use and better cognition is an artefact of confounding by (a) higher premorbid education and socioeconomic status; (b) a lifestyle of moderation (using smoking as a risk marker); and (c) decreased alcohol consumption in people with physical illnesses. METHOD: Data were analysed from people aged 60GÇô74 years interviewed for the 2000 British National Psychiatric Morbidity Survey, representative of people living in private homes. Alcohol use information was available for 1985 (98.9%) of the eligible participants, of whom 1735 (87.4%) who drank moderately or abstained were included in the analyses. Our main outcome measures were the Alcohol Use Disorders Identification Test (AUDIT), the Telephone Interview for Cognitive Status Screen for Cognitive Impairment and the National Adult Reading Test to measure crystallised (premorbid) intelligence. Our physical health measures were the number of prescribed medications and physical illness reported, and the 12 item Short Form Health SurveyGÇÖs Physical Component Score. RESULTS: The relationship between current cognition and alcohol use was reduced and no longer significant after considering premorbid intelligence or physical health. In our final model, the significant predictors of current cognition among non-problem drinkers were: age (B = GÇô0.13, GÇô0.18 to GÇô0.08; p<0.001) and crystallised intelligence (B = 0.14, 0.12 to 0.17; p<0.001). Smoking was not associated with cognition. CONCLUSIONS: In people who were not problem drinkers, higher alcohol intake was not associated with improved current cognition after controlling for premorbid intelligence and physical health. Our findings suggest that, despite previous suggestions, moderate alcohol consumption does not protect older people from cognitive decline.
Trust me, if you kept up with the old forums I posted research with everything I posted. But in my life today, I do not always have the time to afford to spoon feed research to those that are unwilling to research both side of a topic before they speak themselves. |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Slade Trillgon wrote:AIMS: To test the hypothesis that the association previously reported between moderate alcohol use and better cognition is an artefact of confounding by (a) higher premorbid education and socioeconomic status; (b) a lifestyle of moderation (using smoking as a risk marker); and (c) decreased alcohol consumption in people with physical illnesses. METHOD: Data were analysed from people aged 60GÇô74 years interviewed for the 2000 British National Psychiatric Morbidity Survey, representative of people living in private homes. Alcohol use information was available for 1985 (98.9%) of the eligible participants, of whom 1735 (87.4%) who drank moderately or abstained were included in the analyses. Our main outcome measures were the Alcohol Use Disorders Identification Test (AUDIT), the Telephone Interview for Cognitive Status Screen for Cognitive Impairment and the National Adult Reading Test to measure crystallised (premorbid) intelligence. Our physical health measures were the number of prescribed medications and physical illness reported, and the 12 item Short Form Health SurveyGÇÖs Physical Component Score. RESULTS: The relationship between current cognition and alcohol use was reduced and no longer significant after considering premorbid intelligence or physical health. In our final model, the significant predictors of current cognition among non-problem drinkers were: age (B = GÇô0.13, GÇô0.18 to GÇô0.08; p<0.001) and crystallised intelligence (B = 0.14, 0.12 to 0.17; p<0.001). Smoking was not associated with cognition. CONCLUSIONS: In people who were not problem drinkers, higher alcohol intake was not associated with improved current cognition after controlling for premorbid intelligence and physical health. Our findings suggest that, despite previous suggestions, moderate alcohol consumption does not protect older people from cognitive decline.
Trust me, if you kept up with the old forums I posted research with everything I posted. But in my life today, I do not always have the time to afford to spoon feed research to those that are unwilling to research both side of a topic before they speak themselves.
Yup.
Alcohol almost killed me. Took over 10 years to truly quit. Hardest thing I've ever had to do. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
VegasMirage
Side Effects. Serious Space Holding Alliance
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Just wanted to say Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all. Thanks for all your insights and healthy discussions AND the sprinkle of hate, which I thrive on btw >_< ISD should leave the posts, nothing on this thread was as bad as what you get from Hi Sec Mercs chest beating in C&P, which should also be regulated by local government
I'm not trying to brow beat anybody who smokes. I apologize if I came across as a wet nurse, but come on people the research is in. The chance to sound intelligent, funny or cool while promoting the benefits of smoking is over. It's senseless.
Thank you to the posts who were honest about the reason they smoke. Perhaps somebody who hasn't started will see it and decide against starting...
I don't think banning everything is the way forward, but controlling how and where it's done is important for me. The reason I started the thread was because I had a really bad month surrounded by smokers at my new job.
In a board presentation they chain smoked. Then in the parking garage, 4-5 analysts smoking next to my car... in a freaking busy parking garage. I get in my car and rev the engine for 10 minutes smiling at them... here have some more... for free.
All the while, No Smoking Signs everywhere. I finally told the CEO I couldn't work there anymore. I was contacted and told smoking would be stopped in all non smoking areas, if I didn't leave.
I was actually sick for 2-3 days from Bronchitis from the smoke. Can't remember the last time I was sick. So, I started this thread.
Yes, go home and smoke your cartoon of Pall Malls, Davidoffs or hand rolled shag while sipping on your balloon snifter of cognac and pray your child doesn't pick up the habit of chain smoking Marlboro Reds or Unfiltered Camels (because it's healthier without a filter).
no more games... it's real this time!!! |
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