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Treyah Domination Heavy Industries Atrocitas 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:25:00 - [1] - Quote Are broken - perma-running a cloak without any chance of being found is pretty much what kills gameplay in null-sec eve. It keeps people docked and just bores the crap out of everyone. I'm so sick of roaming people's space to find people docked all day because some neutral alt is cloaked up in the system -- CCP, YOUR GAME IS BECOMING BORING BECAUSE OF THIS LAME CLOAK DESIGN!
Paranoid Loyd University of Caille Gallente Federation 65	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:28:00 - [2] - Quote Sigh, couldn't have posted in one of the other million threads?
Little Dragon Khamez Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition 686	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:30:00 - [3] - Quote Treyah wrote: Are broken - perma-running a cloak without any chance of being found is pretty much what kills gameplay in null-sec eve. It keeps people docked and just bores the crap out of everyone. I'm so sick of roaming people's space to find people docked all day because some neutral alt is cloaked up in the system -- CCP, YOUR GAME IS BECOMING BORING BECAUSE OF THIS LAME CLOAK DESIGN! Last week interceptors were ruining the game, now it's back to cloaks. HTFU etc... Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Treyah Domination Heavy Industries Atrocitas 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:32:00 - [4] - Quote Cloaks have been a problem forever - they make the game boring as hell b/c it puts people into stations where they can't be killed. Where is the fun in an empty system void of hostiles? It's not there genius. Interceptors were basically irrelevant before the patch, now their not. Wtf is your point?
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 14847	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:32:00 - [5] - Quote Not so stealth nerf afk cloaking thread. Treyah wrote: Cloaks have been a problem forever - they make the game boring as hell b/c it puts people into stations where they can't be killed. Where is the fun in an empty system void of hostiles? It's not there genius. Interceptors were basically irrelevant before the patch, now their not. Wtf is your point? The problem is with the players who hide from people who may or may not be there, not the cloak itself. Malcanis' Law - Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of new players, that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. The corollary is that when new players propose a change, they invariably lack the experience and insight to see how the change would again be exploited by older players far more efficiently than themselves.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 17734	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:36:00 - [6] - Quote Treyah wrote: Are broken - perma-running a cloak without any chance of being found is pretty much what kills gameplay in null-sec eve. Close, but not quite: people overreacting to others perma-running a cloak without any chance of being found is pretty much what kills gameplay in null-sec eve. After all, they're the only ones who can decide to cloak up and be bored rather than deal with the problem. The perma-running cloaked ship in question certainly can't do anything. Quote: Cloaks have been a problem forever - they make the game boring as hell b/c it puts people into stations where they can't be killed. That sounds like it's the stations that are the problem, not cloaks. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
Treyah Domination Heavy Industries Atrocitas 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:43:00 - [7] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Not so stealth nerf afk cloaking thread. Treyah wrote: Cloaks have been a problem forever - they make the game boring as hell b/c it puts people into stations where they can't be killed. Where is the fun in an empty system void of hostiles? It's not there genius. Interceptors were basically irrelevant before the patch, now their not. Wtf is your point? The problem is with the players who hide from people who may or may not be there, not the cloak itself. Exactly! When they hide the game just basically dies - jumping gates for 2 hours and getting no kills makes me want to play something else.
Qweasdy Absolute Massive Destruction Cult of War 27	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:44:00 - [8] - Quote Treyah wrote: Cloaks have been a problem forever - they make the game boring as hell b/c it puts people into stations where they can't be killed. Where is the fun in an empty system void of hostiles? It's not there genius. Interceptors were basically irrelevant before the patch, now their not. Wtf is your point? His point is that this issue has been brought up time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time...[Truncated] again and people are sick fed up of the whining...
sladin Marks Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:50:00 - [9] - Quote Qweasdy wrote: Treyah wrote: Cloaks have been a problem forever - they make the game boring as hell b/c it puts people into stations where they can't be killed. Where is the fun in an empty system void of hostiles? It's not there genius. Interceptors were basically irrelevant before the patch, now their not. Wtf is your point? His point is that this issue has been brought up time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time...[Truncated] again and people are sick fed up of the whining... Calling it whinning is stupid - pretty much everyone knows that perma-cloaks make null-sec a boring place to be and it's one of the reasons this game sucks in null sec. The only people defending it are those that use it as a form of economic warfare -- real pvp'rs hate it.
Treyah Domination Heavy Industries Atrocitas 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:55:00 - [10] - Quote sladin Marks wrote: Qweasdy wrote: Treyah wrote: Cloaks have been a problem forever - they make the game boring as hell b/c it puts people into stations where they can't be killed. Where is the fun in an empty system void of hostiles? It's not there genius. Interceptors were basically irrelevant before the patch, now their not. Wtf is your point? His point is that this issue has been brought up time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time...[Truncated] again and people are sick fed up of the whining... Calling it whinning is stupid - pretty much everyone knows that perma-cloaks make null-sec a boring place to be and it's one of the reasons this game sucks in null sec. The only people defending it are those that use it as a form of economic warfare -- real pvp'rs hate it. Pretty much - if ccp cares about making null sec pvp and small gang roams fun again, cloaking has to be changed.

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 17734	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:56:00 - [11] - Quote sladin Marks wrote: Calling it whinning is stupid No. Just honest. Whining is whining, after all. Quote: pretty much everyone knows that perma-cloaks make null-sec a boring place to be and it's one of the reasons this game sucks in null sec. Not really, no. That's just something the whiners in question roll out because they can't come up with any kind of argument against the numerous options available to them, when all they really want to do is continue doing whatever it is they're doing without any alteration. Real PvPers, on the other hand, just blow the guy up. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
Treyah Domination Heavy Industries Atrocitas 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:59:00 - [12] - Quote Tippia wrote: Real PvPers, on the other hand, just blow the guy up. You can't blow up a cloaked guy - that's pretty much the point. You can't blow up people docked in a station system because a perma-cloaked afk'r is in their system either - that's pretty much the point. This makes the game boring and suck.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 17736	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:01:00 - [13] - Quote Treyah wrote: You can't blow up a cloaked guy - that's pretty much the point. No, the point is that a cloaked guy can't blow you up. So you ignore him while he's harmless and blow him up when he fails to change that. Quote: You can't blow up people docked in a station system So again, your problem seems to be stations, not cloaks. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
Nadia Barsrallah Nerbles 40	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:03:00 - [14] - Quote this is why killing people with WiS needs to happen
Treyah Domination Heavy Industries Atrocitas 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:04:00 - [15] - Quote I'm not as worried about blowing up some 30m isk crap cloaking ship - I want the loot pinatas that are hiding in the station. Stations are a problem too, all stations should be kickouts if you ask me - but if people never undock because some guy is afk in their system then wth is the point in roaming anymore? There isn't one - I tell you, I miss 2007 Eve so much
Riot Girl Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 2136	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:09:00 - [16] - Quote Get a dictor and drop a bubble 30km off the station. Oh god.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 17736	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:09:00 - [17] - Quote Treyah wrote: I'm not as worried about blowing up some 30m isk crap cloaking ship - I want the loot pinatas that are hiding in the station. So the entire thread is pretty badly labelled and the problem is pretty much entirely misinformed. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 15836	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:11:00 - [18] - Quote Treyah wrote: Are broken - perma-running a cloak without any chance of being found is pretty much what kills gameplay in null-sec eve. It keeps people docked and just bores the crap out of everyone. I'm so sick of roaming people's space to find people docked all day because some neutral alt is cloaked up in the system -- CCP, YOUR GAME IS BECOMING BORING BECAUSE OF THIS LAME CLOAK DESIGN! In both instances, which mechanic is being used to interact with you and tell you they are in the system? Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 596	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:13:00 - [19] - Quote Just bait people out of cloak with bait ships, and be ready to lay the smack down on their hot drop repeatedly till they get the message and go somewhere else to afk cloak. You all claim to want fights in null sec, bait & trying to gank a hot drop sounds like a great way of getting a fight. Unless by fights you mean 'Fights I am sure to win because my spies told me exactly what the other guy has and how to beat it'
kassandra blake Rearden Metal. 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:13:00 - [20] - Quote I agree with the OP - we went for a roam last night and most of the systems we went through military upgraded and absolutely barren with people in the station and one neutral cloaked somewhere. We spent over 3 hours and barely saw anyone in the belts or at an anom. Dropping a bubble 30 off the station does nothing too when people undock and then redock quickly, which is why I think she was saying she wants kickout stations. I personally would hate to see my carrier kicked out every time I undock though lol. Still, I hope ccp does put a cool down on cloaks or something because they really do take people out of belts and space in general and it DOES make roaming suck more.

Alice Ituin Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 19	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:15:00 - [21] - Quote Don't feed the troll ;)
Treyah Domination Heavy Industries Atrocitas 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:22:00 - [22] - Quote Yeah pretty much that's the thing nobody wants to comment about - is the fact that the game's cloaking mechanism directly makes the game boring. Roaming rarely is as fun as it used to be now because it's almost a guarantee that null sec alliance ratting systems are going to be camping, therefore empty -- meaning no kills, NO FUN. Is this really the kind of game CCP wants?
Riot Girl Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 2136	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:23:00 - [23] - Quote kassandra blake wrote: Dropping a bubble 30 off the station does nothing too when people undock and then redock quickly. It's for catching people who dock up when they see you come into local. If you're looking to catch ratters in null, you should probably focus on a particular alliance or corp and harass them until they leave. Oh god.
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 574	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:26:00 - [24] - Quote Still relevant after all these years. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=rnd[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation)
Treyah Domination Heavy Industries Atrocitas 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:32:00 - [25] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: Still relevant after all these years. Exactly -- at the very least the map should show us where an active cloak is being used so we can plan accordingly and just say away from those systems on roams because it's annoying to travel 18 jumps to find a system on lock because some guys been afk there all day.
Riot Girl Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 2136	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:34:00 - [26] - Quote Treyah wrote: it's annoying to travel 18 jumps to find a system on lock because some guys been afk there all day. If your technique isn't working, try improving it. Maybe you'll even learn to enjoy actually being good at something. Oh god.
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 15836	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:35:00 - [27] - Quote Treyah wrote: Crumplecorn wrote: Still relevant after all these years. Exactly -- at the very least the map should show us where an active cloak is being used so we can plan accordingly and just say away from those systems on roams because it's annoying to travel 18 jumps to find a system on lock because some guys been afk there all day. You've yet to explain, how this is the cloaks fault. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 381	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:40:00 - [28] - Quote sladin Marks wrote: Qweasdy wrote: Treyah wrote: Cloaks have been a problem forever - they make the game boring as hell b/c it puts people into stations where they can't be killed. Where is the fun in an empty system void of hostiles? It's not there genius. Interceptors were basically irrelevant before the patch, now their not. Wtf is your point? His point is that this issue has been brought up time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time...[Truncated] again and people are sick fed up of the whining... Calling it whinning is stupid - pretty much everyone knows that perma-cloaks make null-sec a boring place to be and it's one of the reasons this game sucks in null sec. The only people defending it are those that use it as a form of economic warfare -- real pvp'rs hate it. Being a ***** makes null sec a boring place to be. Only pussies worry about AFK cloakers. If it weren't for AFK cloakers, you would just find some new thing to blame for ruining your game, because the root problem, the thing that's really ruining it, is that the person who is playing it is you.
Treyah Domination Heavy Industries Atrocitas 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:48:00 - [29] - Quote The reason this issue keeps coming up and everyone is tired of hearing about is because everything I've just said about roaming being hurt by the cloaking mechanics is a view shared view. Hate it all you want and defend the status-quo if you like, but it's not just me -- it's a slanted system rendering someone untouchable and the game's pvp is watered down because people just stay docked as a result. Hence the reason I say it makes the game boring. There's nothing wrong with a 30 minute timer - similar to cynos - and a 5 minute cool down on cloaking devices. This would be a fantastic change and it would make scanning that much more important -- but something needs to give because roaming pvp is dying a slow death, which is why this issue keeps coming up.
Paranoid Loyd University of Caille Gallente Federation 65	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:53:00 - [30] - Quote Treyah wrote: Crumplecorn wrote: Still relevant after all these years. Exactly -- at the very least the map should show us where an active cloak is being used so we can plan accordingly and just say away from those systems on roams because it's annoying to travel 18 jumps to find a system on lock because some guys been afk there all day. Have you ever heard of a scout?



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