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Cato Black Meltdown. 4	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:09:00 - [31] - Quote OP wants to call himself a "real" pvper but is complaining because the carebear pve fit ratters are docked up due to a cloaker? No one has noticed this?? Small gang pvp is fine because other small fleets don't care about the afk cloaker, all the cloaker is doing is docking up your easy kills. Go find a real fight and get out of general discussion.
Treyah Domination Heavy Industries Atrocitas 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:15:00 - [32] - Quote Forum freaks love to argue lol - yeah Cano your pvp is pvp'r than mine, w/e and all that - cloaks still suck and this game is becoming boring as hell because it's taking people out of space to kill. Period. Hopefully ccp actually plays this game then the would realize it's true too.
0Lona 0ltor Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 76	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:18:00 - [33] - Quote Local kills gameplay in nullsec, botting kills EVE and removing local would be a massive nerf to botting as well as VAC style bans. STFU about cloaks only botters hate cloaks.
Julius Priscus 172	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:19:00 - [34] - Quote Find out who the afk cloaker belongs to assuming they are neutral.. then afk cloak their systems IF they got any. sooner or later something will be sorted. be it they pull out their afk'er and you do too.. or you end up logging after you docked lol. -»\_(pâä)_/-»-á Sup cracka !
Roel Yento Bolverki 15	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:19:00 - [35] - Quote Treyah wrote: Are broken - perma-running a cloak without any chance of being found is pretty much what kills gameplay in null-sec eve. It keeps people docked and just bores the crap out of everyone. I'm so sick of roaming people's space to find people docked all day because some neutral alt is cloaked up in the system -- CCP, YOUR GAME IS BECOMING BORING BECAUSE OF THIS LAME CLOAK DESIGN! Go to a wormhole and let me know if the fleet of t3's that are cloaked show up and local... nevermind you wont know if someone has been sitting in there for hours or days. You just take risks or you ship spin in a pos if you are afraid. I rather go do something and see what happens.
Cato Black Meltdown. 4	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:20:00 - [36] - Quote It was a different poster that used the "real" pvper argument, not yours so I apologize for the direct attack, but still, actual pvp gangs will not be deterred by an afk cloaker, so still your argument that it hinders small gang pvp is invalid also, cloaking should remove you from local, problem solved!
Cato Black Meltdown. 4	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:22:00 - [37] - Quote Treyah wrote: Forum freaks love to argue lol - yeah Cano your pvp is pvp'r than mine, w/e and all that - cloaks still suck and this game is becoming boring as hell because it's taking people out of space to kill. Period. Hopefully ccp actually plays this game then the would realize it's true too. And yes, I love killing pvp loot-pinatas and taking their things ... this is Eve. Just for fun though from battleclinic Treyah: 767 kills - 90.01 bill Cano :280 Lifetime - 11.64 bill Whatever. Fix this perma-cloaking garbage. I just aquired this character 2 months ago, but sure go ahead with your research btw you have 34 kills in nov/dec, I have 70+, since you wanted to play this game( and I use eve kill not battleclinic, who even uses that anymore?)
WASPY69 Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 72	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:29:00 - [38] - Quote Would you like some cheese with all that whine? AFK cloaking is a valid tactic. There's many ways to counter it. Either move one system over or bait the cloaker to attack you, wait for his friends to cyno in, then light your own cyno and murder them. Like mentioned above me, the only people who whine about AFK cloakers are nullbears, that want to afk mine or afk rat. And it warms my heart every time they tear up about it. Because F* them. As for your roam issue, I would advice setting a different route on your roam, finding other targets. Are you expecting deadspace fit ratters to serve themselves for you on a silver platter?
Kat Ellicott Psamathae 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:32:00 - [39] - Quote If someone is docked because there is a cloaked ship in the area, they're going to dock the second you pop up in local as well. I don't see how changing the way cloaks work will fix anything.
Little Dragon Khamez Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition 690	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:36:00 - [40] - Quote Treyah wrote: I'm not as worried about blowing up some 30m isk crap cloaking ship - I want the loot pinatas that are hiding in the station. Stations are a problem too, all stations should be kickouts if you ask me - but if people never undock because some guy is afk in their system then wth is the point in roaming anymore? There isn't one - I tell you, I miss 2007 Eve so much Hellcamp the station then and invite the cloaked ship to help you out. Ive flown black ops and can assure you that choosing to uncloak in a paperthin ship against an enemy who can easily destroy you if you make a simple mistake is a risky thing to do and far from being the all powerful exploit that you claim it to be. If people are too frightened to go about their ordinary business when I am about they are the one's with the problem, not me. Plus if you really want fights I can recommend you to some like minded people I know in fade and the cloud ring. They're always happy to entertain a ranting try hard. Let me know and I'll make the introduction. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 17739	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:39:00 - [41] - Quote Treyah wrote: The reason this issue keeps coming up and everyone is tired of hearing about is because everything I've just said about roaming being hurt by the cloaking mechanics is a view shared view. LMAO No. The reason this issue keeps coming up is because people refuse to solve the (non)problem on their own and want someone else to make the bad man (who can't do anything) go away. The actual problem has nothing to do with cloaks, and a lot to do with overabundance of intel and overreactions to said intel. Quote: Hate it all you want and defend the status-quo if you like, but it's not just me Actually, this particular slant on the problem GÇö blaming cloaking for problems you have with stations GÇö is something pretty unique to you. Even so, you have yet to describe any kind of actual problem, much less pin the fault for that problem on cloaks. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
Sura Sadiva Entropic Tactical Crew 773	Posted - 2013.12.15 00:00:00 - [42] - Quote Treyah wrote: Cloaks have been a problem forever - they make the game boring as hell b/c it puts people into stations where they can't be killed. Where is the fun in an empty system void of hostiles? It's not there genius. Interceptors were basically irrelevant before the patch, now their not. Wtf is your point? Sure, cause people leaving belts and anomalies to dock and stay safe cause there's an AFK frigate in the system would, on the countrary, stay and proudly fight as soon as a not-AFK roaming gang enter the system :)
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 6928	Posted - 2013.12.15 00:03:00 - [43] - Quote Cloaking makes people dock? Please explain how a docked person knows you're cloaked. I'm curious about that. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed
Tetsuo Tsukaya Itinerant Empire 200	Posted - 2013.12.15 00:12:00 - [44] - Quote Treyah wrote: Yeah pretty much that's the thing nobody wants to comment about - is the fact that the game's cloaking mechanism directly makes the game boring. Roaming rarely is as fun as it used to be now because it's almost a guarantee that null sec alliance ratting systems are going to be camped, therefore empty -- meaning no kills, NO FUN. Is this really the kind of game CCP wants? Stop being lazy and bad. If you're upset that you can't find a horde of defenceless ratters in every system you jump to its because you're terrible. There are tons of people getting ratter kills and the secret is that they work for it, while people like you make forum threads whining about how you jumped into a ratting system and didnt get free kills and so obviously the game is broken.
Seraph Essael Devils Diciples League of Infamy 212	Posted - 2013.12.15 00:18:00 - [45] - Quote Just... This Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
Sky' Darkstar Dark Star Operations. 5	Posted - 2013.12.15 00:26:00 - [46] - Quote I actually shut down an entire carrier farming system out in Outer Rim the other day just because I sat in an Anathema with combat probes out. There were 5 carriers total. 1 JB'd out and the other 4 pilots all logged off. Was actually very humorous. Is it because cloaks are broken or overpowered? Nope. It's because people are cowards, idiots, and are not prepared to defend their system from a possible hot drop that I could have brought (which obviously didn't happen). If you are afraid of someone sitting cloaked in your system, its because you cannot defend said system. If you cannot defend said system, you should not be in that system. Nothing is wrong with cloaks. It's your inability to be prepared that needs "fixed". -Sky'
Sky' Darkstar Dark Star Operations. 5	Posted - 2013.12.15 00:28:00 - [47] - Quote Treyah wrote: Cloaks have been a problem forever - they make the game boring as hell b/c it puts people into stations where they can't be killed. Where is the fun in an empty system void of hostiles? It's not there genius. Interceptors were basically irrelevant before the patch, now their not. Wtf is your point? You're a complete ******* moron. That was his point. -Sky'
Sentamon Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1218	Posted - 2013.12.15 00:34:00 - [48] - Quote are these nullbear tears? not sure ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
Vardec Crom Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement 6	Posted - 2013.12.15 00:55:00 - [49] - Quote Should maybe try roaming some active warzones instead of the places that people jew.
Daenika MMO-Mechanics.com 10	Posted - 2013.12.15 00:56:00 - [50] - Quote The problem is local, not cloaks. You want real PvP, where people don't dock up when a neut enters systems? Wormholes. No local changes everything.

Treyah Domination Heavy Industries Atrocitas 0	Posted - 2013.12.15 01:30:00 - [51] - Quote Vardec Crom wrote: Should maybe try roaming some active warzones instead of the places that people jew. Best advice yet.
Karrl Tian Bourbon Bandits Anarchy. 281	Posted - 2013.12.15 01:33:00 - [52] - Quote Little Dragon Khamez wrote: Treyah wrote: Are broken - perma-running a cloak without any chance of being found is pretty much what kills gameplay in null-sec eve. It keeps people docked and just bores the crap out of everyone. I'm so sick of roaming people's space to find people docked all day because some neutral alt is cloaked up in the system -- CCP, YOUR GAME IS BECOMING BORING BECAUSE OF THIS LAME CLOAK DESIGN! Last week interceptors were ruining the game, now it's back to cloaks. HTFU etc... Next week....cloaky interceptors using the mobile depot to farm FW plexes.
Graabeerd Khagah ImaNicePirate.com 7	Posted - 2013.12.15 02:03:00 - [53] - Quote Hello every one. I would like to say a couple things that's already been said ever since this issue's been brought up. CCP have said time and again that AFK cloaking was NOT game breaking, how hard is that to understand?? This issue has been argued, debated and beaten to no end and yet a minority of you just keep on bringing this up. It's long past time to move on. It's long past time to look elsewhere for problems and solutions that we all encounter. It's time to forget that any solution to this is going to make or break Eve as a whole. Yes, I may sound like a politician and rightfully so and yet this issue gets brought up and rehashed so much I wonder how many other's besides me gets sick just from seeing another thread on a worn out issue. In my honest opinion, I believe we all have a right to play how we choose, I believe that maybe there ought to be a limit somewhere, but the fact remains, AFK Cloaking is here to stay for the forseeable future. I seriously doubt and I know this from reading the countless arguments and discussions it's time to let it go. FLY RECKLESS
Oxylan QRDELESH - Mutual Admiration Society 90	Posted - 2013.12.15 02:08:00 - [54] - Quote Cloaks cool thing in game, personaly finished cloaking to lvl 5 few day ago even this have no sense or real boost i love it. If it bleed we can kill it.
Treyah Domination Heavy Industries Atrocitas 1	Posted - 2013.12.15 02:34:00 - [55] - Quote This thread does little to convince me -- reason why is because I could log on 6 other accounts and post 18 more times in support of my position -- the forums are not a 'said' all to the discussion. In the game people are more prone to admit that cloaking is broken -- it's stupid to say that someone afk for 18 hours in a system is a solid game mechanic. CCP is hesitant to change this because - hey, that's +1 to the online player base and it's 15 bucks a month for the account. As a player though it makes the game boring because it forces targets into stations - CCP needs to understand this.
Silvetica Dian Manson Family Advent of Fate 366	Posted - 2013.12.15 02:56:00 - [56] - Quote Treyah wrote: sladin Marks wrote: Qweasdy wrote: Treyah wrote: Cloaks have been a problem forever - they make the game boring as hell b/c it puts people into stations where they can't be killed. Where is the fun in an empty system void of hostiles? It's not there genius. Interceptors were basically irrelevant before the patch, now their not. Wtf is your point? His point is that this issue has been brought up time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time...[Truncated] again and people are sick fed up of the whining... Calling it whinning is stupid - pretty much everyone knows that perma-cloaks make null-sec a boring place to be and it's one of the reasons this game sucks in null sec. The only people defending it are those that use it as a form of economic warfare -- real pvp'rs hate it. Pretty much - if ccp cares about making null sec pvp and small gang roams fun again, cloaking has to be changed. people bubble the XXXX out of their systems then dock up as soon as anyone come within 2 systems. then they cyno jam it. afk cloak with covert cyno is the ONLY way to force these nullbears to take risks. Fix that then maybe we can look at cloaks. Until then stfu. here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY
Treyah Domination Heavy Industries Atrocitas 1	Posted - 2013.12.15 02:58:00 - [57] - Quote This is another issue that needs to be fixed, although the interceptor changes ARE a step in the right direction, still I refer to my last post about cloaking: This thread does little to convince me -- reason why is because I could log on 6 other accounts and post 18 more times in support of my position -- the forums are not a 'said' all to the discussion. In the game people are more prone to admit that cloaking is broken -- it's stupid to say that someone afk for 18 hours in a system is a solid game mechanic. CCP is hesitant to change this because - hey, that's +1 to the online player base and it's 15 bucks a month for the account. As a player though it makes the game boring because it forces targets into stations - CCP needs to understand this.
Daenika MMO-Mechanics.com 11	Posted - 2013.12.15 03:11:00 - [58] - Quote Quote: As a player though it makes the game boring because it forces targets into stations - CCP needs to understand this. Incorrect. Fear forces targets into stations. Local gives them the intel source for that fear. Those are the problems, not cloaking. Try playing in wormholes a bit, and you'll see how unbroken cloaking is without local.
Liam Inkuras Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 639	Posted - 2013.12.15 03:15:00 - [59] - Quote lol this again I wear my goggles at night. Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 17740	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:03:00 - [60] - Quote Treyah wrote: it's stupid to say that someone afk for 18 hours in a system is a solid game mechanic. Why is it stupid? More to the point, what's non-solid about it? Quote: As a player though it makes the game boring because it forces targets into stations - CCP needs to understand this. That has nothing to do with cloaks. CCP understands that GÇö you need to do so too. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.



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