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Treyah Domination Heavy Industries Atrocitas 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:25:00 - [1] - Quote Are broken - perma-running a cloak without any chance of being found is pretty much what kills gameplay in null-sec eve. It keeps people docked and just bores the crap out of everyone. I'm so sick of roaming people's space to find people docked all day because some neutral alt is cloaked up in the system -- CCP, YOUR GAME IS BECOMING BORING BECAUSE OF THIS LAME CLOAK DESIGN!
Paranoid Loyd University of Caille Gallente Federation 65	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:28:00 - [2] - Quote Sigh, couldn't have posted in one of the other million threads?
Little Dragon Khamez Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition 686	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:30:00 - [3] - Quote Treyah wrote: Are broken - perma-running a cloak without any chance of being found is pretty much what kills gameplay in null-sec eve. It keeps people docked and just bores the crap out of everyone. I'm so sick of roaming people's space to find people docked all day because some neutral alt is cloaked up in the system -- CCP, YOUR GAME IS BECOMING BORING BECAUSE OF THIS LAME CLOAK DESIGN! Last week interceptors were ruining the game, now it's back to cloaks. HTFU etc... Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Treyah Domination Heavy Industries Atrocitas 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:32:00 - [4] - Quote Cloaks have been a problem forever - they make the game boring as hell b/c it puts people into stations where they can't be killed. Where is the fun in an empty system void of hostiles? It's not there genius. Interceptors were basically irrelevant before the patch, now their not. Wtf is your point?
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 14847	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:32:00 - [5] - Quote Not so stealth nerf afk cloaking thread. Treyah wrote: Cloaks have been a problem forever - they make the game boring as hell b/c it puts people into stations where they can't be killed. Where is the fun in an empty system void of hostiles? It's not there genius. Interceptors were basically irrelevant before the patch, now their not. Wtf is your point? The problem is with the players who hide from people who may or may not be there, not the cloak itself. Malcanis' Law - Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of new players, that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. The corollary is that when new players propose a change, they invariably lack the experience and insight to see how the change would again be exploited by older players far more efficiently than themselves.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 17734	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:36:00 - [6] - Quote Treyah wrote: Are broken - perma-running a cloak without any chance of being found is pretty much what kills gameplay in null-sec eve. Close, but not quite: people overreacting to others perma-running a cloak without any chance of being found is pretty much what kills gameplay in null-sec eve. After all, they're the only ones who can decide to cloak up and be bored rather than deal with the problem. The perma-running cloaked ship in question certainly can't do anything. Quote: Cloaks have been a problem forever - they make the game boring as hell b/c it puts people into stations where they can't be killed. That sounds like it's the stations that are the problem, not cloaks. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
Treyah Domination Heavy Industries Atrocitas 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:43:00 - [7] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Not so stealth nerf afk cloaking thread. Treyah wrote: Cloaks have been a problem forever - they make the game boring as hell b/c it puts people into stations where they can't be killed. Where is the fun in an empty system void of hostiles? It's not there genius. Interceptors were basically irrelevant before the patch, now their not. Wtf is your point? The problem is with the players who hide from people who may or may not be there, not the cloak itself. Exactly! When they hide the game just basically dies - jumping gates for 2 hours and getting no kills makes me want to play something else.
Qweasdy Absolute Massive Destruction Cult of War 27	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:44:00 - [8] - Quote Treyah wrote: Cloaks have been a problem forever - they make the game boring as hell b/c it puts people into stations where they can't be killed. Where is the fun in an empty system void of hostiles? It's not there genius. Interceptors were basically irrelevant before the patch, now their not. Wtf is your point? His point is that this issue has been brought up time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time...[Truncated] again and people are sick fed up of the whining...
sladin Marks Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:50:00 - [9] - Quote Qweasdy wrote: Treyah wrote: Cloaks have been a problem forever - they make the game boring as hell b/c it puts people into stations where they can't be killed. Where is the fun in an empty system void of hostiles? It's not there genius. Interceptors were basically irrelevant before the patch, now their not. Wtf is your point? His point is that this issue has been brought up time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time...[Truncated] again and people are sick fed up of the whining... Calling it whinning is stupid - pretty much everyone knows that perma-cloaks make null-sec a boring place to be and it's one of the reasons this game sucks in null sec. The only people defending it are those that use it as a form of economic warfare -- real pvp'rs hate it.
Treyah Domination Heavy Industries Atrocitas 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:55:00 - [10] - Quote sladin Marks wrote: Qweasdy wrote: Treyah wrote: Cloaks have been a problem forever - they make the game boring as hell b/c it puts people into stations where they can't be killed. Where is the fun in an empty system void of hostiles? It's not there genius. Interceptors were basically irrelevant before the patch, now their not. Wtf is your point? His point is that this issue has been brought up time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time...[Truncated] again and people are sick fed up of the whining... Calling it whinning is stupid - pretty much everyone knows that perma-cloaks make null-sec a boring place to be and it's one of the reasons this game sucks in null sec. The only people defending it are those that use it as a form of economic warfare -- real pvp'rs hate it. Pretty much - if ccp cares about making null sec pvp and small gang roams fun again, cloaking has to be changed.

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 17734	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:56:00 - [11] - Quote sladin Marks wrote: Calling it whinning is stupid No. Just honest. Whining is whining, after all. Quote: pretty much everyone knows that perma-cloaks make null-sec a boring place to be and it's one of the reasons this game sucks in null sec. Not really, no. That's just something the whiners in question roll out because they can't come up with any kind of argument against the numerous options available to them, when all they really want to do is continue doing whatever it is they're doing without any alteration. Real PvPers, on the other hand, just blow the guy up. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
Treyah Domination Heavy Industries Atrocitas 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:59:00 - [12] - Quote Tippia wrote: Real PvPers, on the other hand, just blow the guy up. You can't blow up a cloaked guy - that's pretty much the point. You can't blow up people docked in a station system because a perma-cloaked afk'r is in their system either - that's pretty much the point. This makes the game boring and suck.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 17736	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:01:00 - [13] - Quote Treyah wrote: You can't blow up a cloaked guy - that's pretty much the point. No, the point is that a cloaked guy can't blow you up. So you ignore him while he's harmless and blow him up when he fails to change that. Quote: You can't blow up people docked in a station system So again, your problem seems to be stations, not cloaks. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
Nadia Barsrallah Nerbles 40	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:03:00 - [14] - Quote this is why killing people with WiS needs to happen
Treyah Domination Heavy Industries Atrocitas 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:04:00 - [15] - Quote I'm not as worried about blowing up some 30m isk crap cloaking ship - I want the loot pinatas that are hiding in the station. Stations are a problem too, all stations should be kickouts if you ask me - but if people never undock because some guy is afk in their system then wth is the point in roaming anymore? There isn't one - I tell you, I miss 2007 Eve so much
Riot Girl Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 2136	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:09:00 - [16] - Quote Get a dictor and drop a bubble 30km off the station. Oh god.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 17736	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:09:00 - [17] - Quote Treyah wrote: I'm not as worried about blowing up some 30m isk crap cloaking ship - I want the loot pinatas that are hiding in the station. So the entire thread is pretty badly labelled and the problem is pretty much entirely misinformed. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 15836	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:11:00 - [18] - Quote Treyah wrote: Are broken - perma-running a cloak without any chance of being found is pretty much what kills gameplay in null-sec eve. It keeps people docked and just bores the crap out of everyone. I'm so sick of roaming people's space to find people docked all day because some neutral alt is cloaked up in the system -- CCP, YOUR GAME IS BECOMING BORING BECAUSE OF THIS LAME CLOAK DESIGN! In both instances, which mechanic is being used to interact with you and tell you they are in the system? Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 596	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:13:00 - [19] - Quote Just bait people out of cloak with bait ships, and be ready to lay the smack down on their hot drop repeatedly till they get the message and go somewhere else to afk cloak. You all claim to want fights in null sec, bait & trying to gank a hot drop sounds like a great way of getting a fight. Unless by fights you mean 'Fights I am sure to win because my spies told me exactly what the other guy has and how to beat it'
kassandra blake Rearden Metal. 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:13:00 - [20] - Quote I agree with the OP - we went for a roam last night and most of the systems we went through military upgraded and absolutely barren with people in the station and one neutral cloaked somewhere. We spent over 3 hours and barely saw anyone in the belts or at an anom. Dropping a bubble 30 off the station does nothing too when people undock and then redock quickly, which is why I think she was saying she wants kickout stations. I personally would hate to see my carrier kicked out every time I undock though lol. Still, I hope ccp does put a cool down on cloaks or something because they really do take people out of belts and space in general and it DOES make roaming suck more.

Alice Ituin Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 19	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:15:00 - [21] - Quote Don't feed the troll ;)
Treyah Domination Heavy Industries Atrocitas 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:22:00 - [22] - Quote Yeah pretty much that's the thing nobody wants to comment about - is the fact that the game's cloaking mechanism directly makes the game boring. Roaming rarely is as fun as it used to be now because it's almost a guarantee that null sec alliance ratting systems are going to be camping, therefore empty -- meaning no kills, NO FUN. Is this really the kind of game CCP wants?
Riot Girl Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 2136	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:23:00 - [23] - Quote kassandra blake wrote: Dropping a bubble 30 off the station does nothing too when people undock and then redock quickly. It's for catching people who dock up when they see you come into local. If you're looking to catch ratters in null, you should probably focus on a particular alliance or corp and harass them until they leave. Oh god.
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 574	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:26:00 - [24] - Quote Still relevant after all these years. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=rnd[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation)
Treyah Domination Heavy Industries Atrocitas 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:32:00 - [25] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: Still relevant after all these years. Exactly -- at the very least the map should show us where an active cloak is being used so we can plan accordingly and just say away from those systems on roams because it's annoying to travel 18 jumps to find a system on lock because some guys been afk there all day.
Riot Girl Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 2136	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:34:00 - [26] - Quote Treyah wrote: it's annoying to travel 18 jumps to find a system on lock because some guys been afk there all day. If your technique isn't working, try improving it. Maybe you'll even learn to enjoy actually being good at something. Oh god.
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 15836	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:35:00 - [27] - Quote Treyah wrote: Crumplecorn wrote: Still relevant after all these years. Exactly -- at the very least the map should show us where an active cloak is being used so we can plan accordingly and just say away from those systems on roams because it's annoying to travel 18 jumps to find a system on lock because some guys been afk there all day. You've yet to explain, how this is the cloaks fault. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 381	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:40:00 - [28] - Quote sladin Marks wrote: Qweasdy wrote: Treyah wrote: Cloaks have been a problem forever - they make the game boring as hell b/c it puts people into stations where they can't be killed. Where is the fun in an empty system void of hostiles? It's not there genius. Interceptors were basically irrelevant before the patch, now their not. Wtf is your point? His point is that this issue has been brought up time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time...[Truncated] again and people are sick fed up of the whining... Calling it whinning is stupid - pretty much everyone knows that perma-cloaks make null-sec a boring place to be and it's one of the reasons this game sucks in null sec. The only people defending it are those that use it as a form of economic warfare -- real pvp'rs hate it. Being a ***** makes null sec a boring place to be. Only pussies worry about AFK cloakers. If it weren't for AFK cloakers, you would just find some new thing to blame for ruining your game, because the root problem, the thing that's really ruining it, is that the person who is playing it is you.
Treyah Domination Heavy Industries Atrocitas 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:48:00 - [29] - Quote The reason this issue keeps coming up and everyone is tired of hearing about is because everything I've just said about roaming being hurt by the cloaking mechanics is a view shared view. Hate it all you want and defend the status-quo if you like, but it's not just me -- it's a slanted system rendering someone untouchable and the game's pvp is watered down because people just stay docked as a result. Hence the reason I say it makes the game boring. There's nothing wrong with a 30 minute timer - similar to cynos - and a 5 minute cool down on cloaking devices. This would be a fantastic change and it would make scanning that much more important -- but something needs to give because roaming pvp is dying a slow death, which is why this issue keeps coming up.
Paranoid Loyd University of Caille Gallente Federation 65	Posted - 2013.12.14 22:53:00 - [30] - Quote Treyah wrote: Crumplecorn wrote: Still relevant after all these years. Exactly -- at the very least the map should show us where an active cloak is being used so we can plan accordingly and just say away from those systems on roams because it's annoying to travel 18 jumps to find a system on lock because some guys been afk there all day. Have you ever heard of a scout?

Cato Black Meltdown. 4	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:09:00 - [31] - Quote OP wants to call himself a "real" pvper but is complaining because the carebear pve fit ratters are docked up due to a cloaker? No one has noticed this?? Small gang pvp is fine because other small fleets don't care about the afk cloaker, all the cloaker is doing is docking up your easy kills. Go find a real fight and get out of general discussion.
Treyah Domination Heavy Industries Atrocitas 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:15:00 - [32] - Quote Forum freaks love to argue lol - yeah Cano your pvp is pvp'r than mine, w/e and all that - cloaks still suck and this game is becoming boring as hell because it's taking people out of space to kill. Period. Hopefully ccp actually plays this game then the would realize it's true too.
0Lona 0ltor Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 76	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:18:00 - [33] - Quote Local kills gameplay in nullsec, botting kills EVE and removing local would be a massive nerf to botting as well as VAC style bans. STFU about cloaks only botters hate cloaks.
Julius Priscus 172	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:19:00 - [34] - Quote Find out who the afk cloaker belongs to assuming they are neutral.. then afk cloak their systems IF they got any. sooner or later something will be sorted. be it they pull out their afk'er and you do too.. or you end up logging after you docked lol. -»\_(pâä)_/-»-á Sup cracka !
Roel Yento Bolverki 15	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:19:00 - [35] - Quote Treyah wrote: Are broken - perma-running a cloak without any chance of being found is pretty much what kills gameplay in null-sec eve. It keeps people docked and just bores the crap out of everyone. I'm so sick of roaming people's space to find people docked all day because some neutral alt is cloaked up in the system -- CCP, YOUR GAME IS BECOMING BORING BECAUSE OF THIS LAME CLOAK DESIGN! Go to a wormhole and let me know if the fleet of t3's that are cloaked show up and local... nevermind you wont know if someone has been sitting in there for hours or days. You just take risks or you ship spin in a pos if you are afraid. I rather go do something and see what happens.
Cato Black Meltdown. 4	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:20:00 - [36] - Quote It was a different poster that used the "real" pvper argument, not yours so I apologize for the direct attack, but still, actual pvp gangs will not be deterred by an afk cloaker, so still your argument that it hinders small gang pvp is invalid also, cloaking should remove you from local, problem solved!
Cato Black Meltdown. 4	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:22:00 - [37] - Quote Treyah wrote: Forum freaks love to argue lol - yeah Cano your pvp is pvp'r than mine, w/e and all that - cloaks still suck and this game is becoming boring as hell because it's taking people out of space to kill. Period. Hopefully ccp actually plays this game then the would realize it's true too. And yes, I love killing pvp loot-pinatas and taking their things ... this is Eve. Just for fun though from battleclinic Treyah: 767 kills - 90.01 bill Cano :280 Lifetime - 11.64 bill Whatever. Fix this perma-cloaking garbage. I just aquired this character 2 months ago, but sure go ahead with your research btw you have 34 kills in nov/dec, I have 70+, since you wanted to play this game( and I use eve kill not battleclinic, who even uses that anymore?)
WASPY69 Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 72	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:29:00 - [38] - Quote Would you like some cheese with all that whine? AFK cloaking is a valid tactic. There's many ways to counter it. Either move one system over or bait the cloaker to attack you, wait for his friends to cyno in, then light your own cyno and murder them. Like mentioned above me, the only people who whine about AFK cloakers are nullbears, that want to afk mine or afk rat. And it warms my heart every time they tear up about it. Because F* them. As for your roam issue, I would advice setting a different route on your roam, finding other targets. Are you expecting deadspace fit ratters to serve themselves for you on a silver platter?
Kat Ellicott Psamathae 0	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:32:00 - [39] - Quote If someone is docked because there is a cloaked ship in the area, they're going to dock the second you pop up in local as well. I don't see how changing the way cloaks work will fix anything.
Little Dragon Khamez Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition 690	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:36:00 - [40] - Quote Treyah wrote: I'm not as worried about blowing up some 30m isk crap cloaking ship - I want the loot pinatas that are hiding in the station. Stations are a problem too, all stations should be kickouts if you ask me - but if people never undock because some guy is afk in their system then wth is the point in roaming anymore? There isn't one - I tell you, I miss 2007 Eve so much Hellcamp the station then and invite the cloaked ship to help you out. Ive flown black ops and can assure you that choosing to uncloak in a paperthin ship against an enemy who can easily destroy you if you make a simple mistake is a risky thing to do and far from being the all powerful exploit that you claim it to be. If people are too frightened to go about their ordinary business when I am about they are the one's with the problem, not me. Plus if you really want fights I can recommend you to some like minded people I know in fade and the cloud ring. They're always happy to entertain a ranting try hard. Let me know and I'll make the introduction. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 17739	Posted - 2013.12.14 23:39:00 - [41] - Quote Treyah wrote: The reason this issue keeps coming up and everyone is tired of hearing about is because everything I've just said about roaming being hurt by the cloaking mechanics is a view shared view. LMAO No. The reason this issue keeps coming up is because people refuse to solve the (non)problem on their own and want someone else to make the bad man (who can't do anything) go away. The actual problem has nothing to do with cloaks, and a lot to do with overabundance of intel and overreactions to said intel. Quote: Hate it all you want and defend the status-quo if you like, but it's not just me Actually, this particular slant on the problem GÇö blaming cloaking for problems you have with stations GÇö is something pretty unique to you. Even so, you have yet to describe any kind of actual problem, much less pin the fault for that problem on cloaks. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
Sura Sadiva Entropic Tactical Crew 773	Posted - 2013.12.15 00:00:00 - [42] - Quote Treyah wrote: Cloaks have been a problem forever - they make the game boring as hell b/c it puts people into stations where they can't be killed. Where is the fun in an empty system void of hostiles? It's not there genius. Interceptors were basically irrelevant before the patch, now their not. Wtf is your point? Sure, cause people leaving belts and anomalies to dock and stay safe cause there's an AFK frigate in the system would, on the countrary, stay and proudly fight as soon as a not-AFK roaming gang enter the system :)
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 6928	Posted - 2013.12.15 00:03:00 - [43] - Quote Cloaking makes people dock? Please explain how a docked person knows you're cloaked. I'm curious about that. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed
Tetsuo Tsukaya Itinerant Empire 200	Posted - 2013.12.15 00:12:00 - [44] - Quote Treyah wrote: Yeah pretty much that's the thing nobody wants to comment about - is the fact that the game's cloaking mechanism directly makes the game boring. Roaming rarely is as fun as it used to be now because it's almost a guarantee that null sec alliance ratting systems are going to be camped, therefore empty -- meaning no kills, NO FUN. Is this really the kind of game CCP wants? Stop being lazy and bad. If you're upset that you can't find a horde of defenceless ratters in every system you jump to its because you're terrible. There are tons of people getting ratter kills and the secret is that they work for it, while people like you make forum threads whining about how you jumped into a ratting system and didnt get free kills and so obviously the game is broken.
Seraph Essael Devils Diciples League of Infamy 212	Posted - 2013.12.15 00:18:00 - [45] - Quote Just... This Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
Sky' Darkstar Dark Star Operations. 5	Posted - 2013.12.15 00:26:00 - [46] - Quote I actually shut down an entire carrier farming system out in Outer Rim the other day just because I sat in an Anathema with combat probes out. There were 5 carriers total. 1 JB'd out and the other 4 pilots all logged off. Was actually very humorous. Is it because cloaks are broken or overpowered? Nope. It's because people are cowards, idiots, and are not prepared to defend their system from a possible hot drop that I could have brought (which obviously didn't happen). If you are afraid of someone sitting cloaked in your system, its because you cannot defend said system. If you cannot defend said system, you should not be in that system. Nothing is wrong with cloaks. It's your inability to be prepared that needs "fixed". -Sky'
Sky' Darkstar Dark Star Operations. 5	Posted - 2013.12.15 00:28:00 - [47] - Quote Treyah wrote: Cloaks have been a problem forever - they make the game boring as hell b/c it puts people into stations where they can't be killed. Where is the fun in an empty system void of hostiles? It's not there genius. Interceptors were basically irrelevant before the patch, now their not. Wtf is your point? You're a complete ******* moron. That was his point. -Sky'
Sentamon Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1218	Posted - 2013.12.15 00:34:00 - [48] - Quote are these nullbear tears? not sure ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
Vardec Crom Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement 6	Posted - 2013.12.15 00:55:00 - [49] - Quote Should maybe try roaming some active warzones instead of the places that people jew.
Daenika MMO-Mechanics.com 10	Posted - 2013.12.15 00:56:00 - [50] - Quote The problem is local, not cloaks. You want real PvP, where people don't dock up when a neut enters systems? Wormholes. No local changes everything.

Treyah Domination Heavy Industries Atrocitas 0	Posted - 2013.12.15 01:30:00 - [51] - Quote Vardec Crom wrote: Should maybe try roaming some active warzones instead of the places that people jew. Best advice yet.
Karrl Tian Bourbon Bandits Anarchy. 281	Posted - 2013.12.15 01:33:00 - [52] - Quote Little Dragon Khamez wrote: Treyah wrote: Are broken - perma-running a cloak without any chance of being found is pretty much what kills gameplay in null-sec eve. It keeps people docked and just bores the crap out of everyone. I'm so sick of roaming people's space to find people docked all day because some neutral alt is cloaked up in the system -- CCP, YOUR GAME IS BECOMING BORING BECAUSE OF THIS LAME CLOAK DESIGN! Last week interceptors were ruining the game, now it's back to cloaks. HTFU etc... Next week....cloaky interceptors using the mobile depot to farm FW plexes.
Graabeerd Khagah ImaNicePirate.com 7	Posted - 2013.12.15 02:03:00 - [53] - Quote Hello every one. I would like to say a couple things that's already been said ever since this issue's been brought up. CCP have said time and again that AFK cloaking was NOT game breaking, how hard is that to understand?? This issue has been argued, debated and beaten to no end and yet a minority of you just keep on bringing this up. It's long past time to move on. It's long past time to look elsewhere for problems and solutions that we all encounter. It's time to forget that any solution to this is going to make or break Eve as a whole. Yes, I may sound like a politician and rightfully so and yet this issue gets brought up and rehashed so much I wonder how many other's besides me gets sick just from seeing another thread on a worn out issue. In my honest opinion, I believe we all have a right to play how we choose, I believe that maybe there ought to be a limit somewhere, but the fact remains, AFK Cloaking is here to stay for the forseeable future. I seriously doubt and I know this from reading the countless arguments and discussions it's time to let it go. FLY RECKLESS
Oxylan QRDELESH - Mutual Admiration Society 90	Posted - 2013.12.15 02:08:00 - [54] - Quote Cloaks cool thing in game, personaly finished cloaking to lvl 5 few day ago even this have no sense or real boost i love it. If it bleed we can kill it.
Treyah Domination Heavy Industries Atrocitas 1	Posted - 2013.12.15 02:34:00 - [55] - Quote This thread does little to convince me -- reason why is because I could log on 6 other accounts and post 18 more times in support of my position -- the forums are not a 'said' all to the discussion. In the game people are more prone to admit that cloaking is broken -- it's stupid to say that someone afk for 18 hours in a system is a solid game mechanic. CCP is hesitant to change this because - hey, that's +1 to the online player base and it's 15 bucks a month for the account. As a player though it makes the game boring because it forces targets into stations - CCP needs to understand this.
Silvetica Dian Manson Family Advent of Fate 366	Posted - 2013.12.15 02:56:00 - [56] - Quote Treyah wrote: sladin Marks wrote: Qweasdy wrote: Treyah wrote: Cloaks have been a problem forever - they make the game boring as hell b/c it puts people into stations where they can't be killed. Where is the fun in an empty system void of hostiles? It's not there genius. Interceptors were basically irrelevant before the patch, now their not. Wtf is your point? His point is that this issue has been brought up time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time...[Truncated] again and people are sick fed up of the whining... Calling it whinning is stupid - pretty much everyone knows that perma-cloaks make null-sec a boring place to be and it's one of the reasons this game sucks in null sec. The only people defending it are those that use it as a form of economic warfare -- real pvp'rs hate it. Pretty much - if ccp cares about making null sec pvp and small gang roams fun again, cloaking has to be changed. people bubble the XXXX out of their systems then dock up as soon as anyone come within 2 systems. then they cyno jam it. afk cloak with covert cyno is the ONLY way to force these nullbears to take risks. Fix that then maybe we can look at cloaks. Until then stfu. here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY
Treyah Domination Heavy Industries Atrocitas 1	Posted - 2013.12.15 02:58:00 - [57] - Quote This is another issue that needs to be fixed, although the interceptor changes ARE a step in the right direction, still I refer to my last post about cloaking: This thread does little to convince me -- reason why is because I could log on 6 other accounts and post 18 more times in support of my position -- the forums are not a 'said' all to the discussion. In the game people are more prone to admit that cloaking is broken -- it's stupid to say that someone afk for 18 hours in a system is a solid game mechanic. CCP is hesitant to change this because - hey, that's +1 to the online player base and it's 15 bucks a month for the account. As a player though it makes the game boring because it forces targets into stations - CCP needs to understand this.
Daenika MMO-Mechanics.com 11	Posted - 2013.12.15 03:11:00 - [58] - Quote Quote: As a player though it makes the game boring because it forces targets into stations - CCP needs to understand this. Incorrect. Fear forces targets into stations. Local gives them the intel source for that fear. Those are the problems, not cloaking. Try playing in wormholes a bit, and you'll see how unbroken cloaking is without local.
Liam Inkuras Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 639	Posted - 2013.12.15 03:15:00 - [59] - Quote lol this again I wear my goggles at night. Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 17740	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:03:00 - [60] - Quote Treyah wrote: it's stupid to say that someone afk for 18 hours in a system is a solid game mechanic. Why is it stupid? More to the point, what's non-solid about it? Quote: As a player though it makes the game boring because it forces targets into stations - CCP needs to understand this. That has nothing to do with cloaks. CCP understands that GÇö you need to do so too. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.

Infinity Ziona Cloakers 991	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:35:00 - [61] - Quote Treyah wrote: Cloaks have been a problem forever - they make the game boring as hell b/c it puts people into stations where they can't be killed. Where is the fun in an empty system void of hostiles? It's not there genius. Interceptors were basically irrelevant before the patch, now their not. Wtf is your point? Same could be said of the many many outposts in null. I have no idea whether you're cloaked, or sitting in your station afk, or at your keyboard sitting in station watching local. Which means I have to suffer the same thing you do whenever I make more than one or two jumps given the ridiculous number of outposts in null these days means there's usually an afk player in a station every few jumps. At least if you disconnect while you're afk in station, it doesn't eject you into space and leave you sitting there to be scanned down. It does that to me when I'm cloaked and disconnect.
Sura Sadiva Entropic Tactical Crew 773	Posted - 2013.12.15 04:58:00 - [62] - Quote Sky' Darkstar wrote: I actually shut down an entire carrier farming system out in Outer Rim the other day just because I sat in an Anathema with combat probes out. I use the combat probes trick too. Generally is not needed cause as soon as you show in local they leaving you free to farm their sites/anomalies. But if there's some though guy insisting in staying in his home system even when you show in local then can just launch combat prbes and everyone vapor.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 6930	Posted - 2013.12.15 05:06:00 - [63] - Quote Daenika wrote: The problem is local, not cloaks. You want real PvP, where people don't dock up when a neut enters systems? Wormholes. No local changes everything. So do collapsible entrances, different rat AI and stronger rats, no stations, no supercaps, no cynos... Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 991	Posted - 2013.12.15 06:04:00 - [64] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Daenika wrote: The problem is local, not cloaks. You want real PvP, where people don't dock up when a neut enters systems? Wormholes. No local changes everything. So do collapsible entrances, different rat AI and stronger rats, no stations, no supercaps, no cynos... Yeah if there were no cynos' I'd be engaging a lot more but as it is its not worth attacking anything that can't be killed faster than they can drop a cyno. If one thing stops pvp in null / low sec in anything but cheap ships its cyno's not afk cloaking.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 6931	Posted - 2013.12.15 06:05:00 - [65] - Quote You're joking, right? Without cynos we wouldn't have epic large fights and it would take us much longer to get anywhere. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5303	Posted - 2013.12.15 06:30:00 - [66] - Quote maybe eve doesn't need your blobber battles and the node crashes so the supers get away anyway There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over. Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013
Anna Karhunen Inoue INEXP 198	Posted - 2013.12.15 06:38:00 - [67] - Quote I still want for my character a cloak with texk "AFK" on the back. Hood would be nice, but not necessary. As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia
Infinity Ziona Cloakers 993	Posted - 2013.12.15 11:04:00 - [68] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: You're joking, right? Without cynos we wouldn't have epic large fights and it would take us much longer to get anywhere. Hate to break it to you but there were epic large fleet battles way before cynos's. The only ships that NEED cyno's are capitals since they can't use gates. As for the taking much longer, that's a good thing imo.
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 1635	Posted - 2013.12.15 11:18:00 - [69] - Quote Treyah wrote: Are broken - perma-running a cloak without any chance of being found is pretty much what kills gameplay in null-sec eve. It keeps people docked and just bores the crap out of everyone. I'm so sick of roaming people's space to find people docked all day because some neutral alt is cloaked up in the system -- CCP, YOUR GAME IS BECOMING BORING BECAUSE OF THIS LAME CLOAK DESIGN! So, what you are saying is that the null-sec pixel hard-men of Eve Online, who spend so much of their time berating hi-sec folk as care-bears, too scared to move to null where the 'real' game is played, are themselves terrified of a cloaked ship which cannot harm them in any way. It seems to me that the only place many null-sec pixel hard-men are actually tough, is on the forums. This is not a signature.
Little Dragon Khamez Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition 694	Posted - 2013.12.15 12:47:00 - [70] - Quote Karrl Tian wrote: Little Dragon Khamez wrote: Treyah wrote: Are broken - perma-running a cloak without any chance of being found is pretty much what kills gameplay in null-sec eve. It keeps people docked and just bores the crap out of everyone. I'm so sick of roaming people's space to find people docked all day because some neutral alt is cloaked up in the system -- CCP, YOUR GAME IS BECOMING BORING BECAUSE OF THIS LAME CLOAK DESIGN! Last week interceptors were ruining the game, now it's back to cloaks. HTFU etc... Next week....cloaky interceptors using the mobile depot to farm FW plexes. Best post ever! Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

TharOkha 0asis Group 664	Posted - 2013.12.15 13:12:00 - [71] - Quote Little Dragon Khamez wrote: Treyah wrote: Are broken - perma-running a cloak without any chance of being found is pretty much what kills gameplay in null-sec eve. It keeps people docked and just bores the crap out of everyone. I'm so sick of roaming people's space to find people docked all day because some neutral alt is cloaked up in the system -- CCP, YOUR GAME IS BECOMING BORING BECAUSE OF THIS LAME CLOAK DESIGN! Last week interceptors were ruining the game, now it's back to cloaks. HTFU etc... And dont forget the depos. depos ruining game too alongside with falcons, local, smartbombs, mining turrets etc.. GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldnt the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥
Little Dragon Khamez Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition 695	Posted - 2013.12.15 14:13:00 - [72] - Quote TharOkha wrote: Little Dragon Khamez wrote: Treyah wrote: Are broken - perma-running a cloak without any chance of being found is pretty much what kills gameplay in null-sec eve. It keeps people docked and just bores the crap out of everyone. I'm so sick of roaming people's space to find people docked all day because some neutral alt is cloaked up in the system -- CCP, YOUR GAME IS BECOMING BORING BECAUSE OF THIS LAME CLOAK DESIGN! Last week interceptors were ruining the game, now it's back to cloaks. HTFU etc... And dont forget the depos. depos ruining game too alongside with falcons, local, smartbombs, mining turrets etc.. Oh man, I totally forgot about those other things ruining the game too. Also Local is ruining the game or saving it depending on whatever side is shouting about it too. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
KuroVolt The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 1233	Posted - 2013.12.15 16:10:00 - [73] - Quote I think OP is the first player ever to say they dont like cloaks. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Victoria Sin Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 505	Posted - 2013.12.15 16:17:00 - [74] - Quote Listen, just ignore and discount the opinions of people who come to these threads and say spectacularly stupid things like "cloaky camping can't harm you in any way", because they're either cloaky camper alts trying to justify their pointless existence or they've never actually had to live in systems where such cloaky campers sit all day. A blop threat is a blop threat. That's all you need to know.
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 1636	Posted - 2013.12.15 16:20:00 - [75] - Quote Victoria Sin wrote: Listen, just ignore and discount the opinions of people who come to these threads and say spectacularly stupid things like "cloaky camping can't harm you in any way", because they're either cloaky camper alts trying to justify their pointless existence or they've never actually had to live in systems where such cloaky campers sit all day. A blop threat is a blop threat. That's all you need to know. If ganking miners is a legitimate way to stop competition, then cloaking is a legitimate way to stop my enemies from earning isk, be it mining, ratting or mission running etc. This is not a signature.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 17743	Posted - 2013.12.15 16:48:00 - [76] - Quote Victoria Sin wrote: Listen, just ignore and discount the opinions of people who come to these threads and say spectacularly stupid things like "cloaky camping can't harm you in any way", because GÇªif you do, you might start figuring out counters, and neither the whiners nor the cloakers want that. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
Onictus Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension 692	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:05:00 - [77] - Quote Victoria Sin wrote: Listen, just ignore and discount the opinions of people who come to these threads and say spectacularly stupid things like "cloaky camping can't harm you in any way", because they're either cloaky camper alts trying to justify their pointless existence or they've never actually had to live in systems where such cloaky campers sit all day. A blop threat is a blop threat. That's all you need to know. I'm being cloaky camped right now.....well I'm wating for him to log back in anyway. Its fine just go around them.
Careby Careby Exploration 144	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:38:00 - [78] - Quote CCP seems to think more cloaks are needed, rather than fewer. Otherwise why would they give them out as holiday gifts? Merry Christmas! Sarcasm is OP
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5304	Posted - 2013.12.15 17:49:00 - [79] - Quote Onictus wrote: Victoria Sin wrote: Listen, just ignore and discount the opinions of people who come to these threads and say spectacularly stupid things like "cloaky camping can't harm you in any way", because they're either cloaky camper alts trying to justify their pointless existence or they've never actually had to live in systems where such cloaky campers sit all day. A blop threat is a blop threat. That's all you need to know. I'm being cloaky camped right now.....well I'm wating for him to log back in anyway. Its fine just go around them. They're waiting for people to ignore them so they can covert hotdrop them of course There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over. Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013
Matokin Lemant 3226	Posted - 2013.12.15 18:04:00 - [80] - Quote Treyah wrote: Are broken - perma-running a cloak without any chance of being found is pretty much what kills gameplay in null-sec eve. It keeps people docked and just bores the crap out of everyone. I'm so sick of roaming people's space to find people docked all day because some neutral alt is cloaked up in the system -- CCP, YOUR GAME IS BECOMING BORING BECAUSE OF THIS LAME CLOAK DESIGN! All this is likely going to be addressed in a future patch/expansion. If anyone has been following eve-ru user Tandi once again posted a prediction of currently unreleased features thought to be planned for release during Rubicon 1.1. Although currently unconfirmed by any official CCP developer or employee, these rumours have been taken seriously due to the accuracy of previous predictions from the same source. *The above is an exert from the themittani.com article on the same subject as written By Jayne Fillon. You can read the full article here I would also like to point out the same person also talked about some changes coming to local chat found here So if one takes everything together it does look like there are some changes coming to the "intel" system(s) in eve. Which would in part help to deal with the very thing your whining about.

Lors Dornick Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet 825	Posted - 2013.12.15 20:33:00 - [81] - Quote Victoria Sin wrote: they've never actually had to live in systems where such cloaky campers sit all day. Then don't live in such a system. CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
Little Dragon Khamez Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition 700	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:45:00 - [82] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Victoria Sin wrote: Listen, just ignore and discount the opinions of people who come to these threads and say spectacularly stupid things like "cloaky camping can't harm you in any way", because they're either cloaky camper alts trying to justify their pointless existence or they've never actually had to live in systems where such cloaky campers sit all day. A blop threat is a blop threat. That's all you need to know. If ganking miners is a legitimate way to stop competition, then cloaking is a legitimate way to stop my enemies from earning isk, be it mining, ratting or mission running etc. Totally agree, area denial is a perfectly legitimate military strategy. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 2524	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:09:00 - [83] - Quote Quote: 16. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked. As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread. Thread cloaked. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department



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