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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2013.12.15 06:26:00 -
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sentry ishtar drops drones, starts kiting at a 100km or so.
Drones hit HARD, ishtar moves very fast for a cruiser-class vessel.
Need ideas on how to break it.
ECM is ineffective (ishtar can assign drones and alpha the falcon/rook), sensor damps are useless (drones are set to aggressive), chasing ishtar means taking his drone dps, shooting drones takes a LONG time and he can just drop another pair.
Any proven methods? With 1-3 ships?
Or just bring more ishtars? |
Kristalll
Valkyrie Professional Resources I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2013.12.15 06:31:00 -
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Did you try warping out?
Or using the Falcon to jam the drones? |
Ronga Dosloe
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.12.15 12:20:00 -
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Bring a few cheap t1 interceptor hulls to tackle them and have your fleet warp upto them, or just bring something that can outrange them and force them off. |
Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.12.15 14:03:00 -
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Ishtar is one of the slowest cruisers, sentries, like all drones are trivially easy to kill and nanoishtar has **** all for tank. . |
StahlWaffe
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.15 22:57:00 -
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Bring an Armor Ishtar with Tripple Omni, dropp Wardens, and see how the Kiting Ishtar tries to warp off before it explodes.
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Or in case you want to take it on without an ishtar, burn into the sentries, orbit them and kill them. If he abandons and drops new sentries, ... do the same. You said you're in a small gang, just apply pressure whereever you can. |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
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Posted - 2013.12.15 23:53:00 -
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best method proven is docking up |
Theroine
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.12.16 03:15:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:best method proven is docking up Can you still assign drones if you are docked?
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2013.12.16 05:21:00 -
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StahlWaffe wrote:Bring an Armor Ishtar with Tripple Omni, dropp Wardens, and see how the Kiting Ishtar tries to warp off before it explodes.
Edit:
Or in case you want to take it on without an ishtar, burn into the sentries, orbit them and kill them. If he abandons and drops new sentries, ... do the same. You said you're in a small gang, just apply pressure whereever you can.
hm, so a counter to an ishtar is another ishtar...
we had a staged 4v4 duel in wormholes the other day, they brought a-type fitted rook, ishtar, deimos, thorax (cause we said to have 1 t1 for lols), we brought curse, navy cane, caracal and another navy cane.
ishtar won the other guys' the day. aside from the fact that a-type fitted deimos is ******* impossible to break, ishtar just aphaed my curse to bits, and went to work on our guys from 100km away.
1 ishtar is bad enough, earlier today we got hot-dropped by 70 ishtars somewhere in wicked creek i think we were roaming.
just sad that no real counters exist. if you start shooting his drones he will just burn off to about 60 and drop another pair, and then what? you either warp off or take the punishment.
sentries need to be looked at by CCP. but, until they do, im 1 day away from sentry 5 :) |
Bouh Revetoile
TIPIAKS
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Posted - 2013.12.16 13:43:00 -
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I'm puzzled as to why people haven't realized sentry potential until now...
2 years ago, the idea of a drone doctrine would have been hilarious because, you know, they can't move and you have 3 sets of them ; and as the fleet have to warp off and in they will lose the drones ; and smartbombs and bombs of course would render them useless. Or so it was said at least.
PS : To counter one Ishtar I'd say a marauder will do. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.12.16 14:41:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:Did you try warping out?
You can also shoot his drones while you are tanking and then leave when things get risky
t2 sentries cost a bit. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
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Hrett
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.12.16 16:47:00 -
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Theroine wrote:Flyinghotpocket wrote:best method proven is docking up Can you still assign drones if you are docked?
If so, I have just found the best way to play EVE. My killboard will be glorious.
To the OP, for my theorycrafting:
Vagabond? Isn't it the answer to any cruiser with the word "nano" in its name? It can tank the sentries long enough to get under their guns, which will cause him to abandon, and it is far faster than the Ishtar, has selectable damage for his tank hole, and will eventually catch him and kill him or cause him to warp off.
And/or, Sentries should die easily to your own drones, allowing your guns to do other things. I'm probably typing on an iPad, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Nimrod vanHall
Martyr's Vengence Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2013.12.16 18:56:00 -
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Try a hml cerebus. Stay 150 km away from him and his drones, arrange on grid bm's in case he probes you down and warps to you. Just dont forget to bring non-scourge ammo.
Or just warp of its not like that sniping ishtar can keep a point on you.
A+¦ ishtar with neuts,dual webs, a scram, links, an assortment of drones 1600 plate and a capbooster to keep the point and webs running scares me alot more then a kiting ishtar. ;) |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
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Posted - 2013.12.16 20:10:00 -
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StahlWaffe wrote:Bring an Armor Ishtar with Tripple Omni, dropp Wardens, and see how the Kiting Ishtar tries to warp off before it explodes.
Because shooting kinetic vs ishtars is smart. I think you meant bouncers/curators? "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Trinkets friend
Rules of Acquisition Acquisition Of Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.17 14:11:00 -
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Do any of you read the ship description for the Ishtar, the bit where it has extra drone hitpoints per level?
The kiting sentry Ishtar concept existed in the past, and hasn't changed much except recently when CCP made it so much easier to fit an Ishtar, gave it a sig radius bonus whilst MWDing (which is kinda the idea when kiting) and nerfed HML's a while back.
What's changed is the advent of DDA's - previously you had about no chance ever of fitting sentry rigs to an ishtar and have a tank. Now, you can have your cake and eat it. 850 DPS, decent speed, just avoid being tackled. This is why you'll see Cynabal-Ishtar gangs dicking about.
Drakes would be about the only thing, in days of yore, which could push decent DPS to 70+ km to force an Ishtar away from its drones. Nowadays, HML ships are pretty anaemic DPS wise, and the sig radius buff certainly doesn't assist them much in maintaining this.
There aren't too many other options, save perhaps the Cerberus, which can pproject damage and be as mobile as the Ishtar. Not that you can tank the Ishtar's sentries.
Are sentries OP? Not especially, for brawling. But a kite ship which has a wildly expanded drone control range, and drone HP buffs? Its pushing the limits.
But, for a dose of salt, we drove off an ishtar with nothing more than 2 Scythes and 6 battle haulers.
YOLO is the Carpe Diem of Gen Y http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
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Posted - 2013.12.17 14:19:00 -
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Just fly MWD med shield extender blaster scram atrons. He might kill 1 or 2 while going in, but once you-¦re near he is absolute toast |
Skelee VI
Wraithguard. Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2013.12.17 21:25:00 -
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EWAR! |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2013.12.17 22:09:00 -
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sigh.... |
Jeb Vacano
Sovereignty Express
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Posted - 2013.12.18 05:10:00 -
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Web drones. There is no way he can out run them. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch OLD MAN GANG
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Posted - 2013.12.18 06:08:00 -
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sentry ships deal dps with sentry drones so you have to keep transversal to sentries and kill those little things with tonnes of hp. |
Bouh Revetoile
TIPIAKS
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Posted - 2013.12.18 09:48:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Do any of you read the ship description for the Ishtar, the bit where it has extra drone hitpoints per level? The ehp I showed were for a hp bonused Garde II. Non bonused sentry will have around 5kehp.
Also, drone rig on an Ishtar use about half the CPU of a DDAII ; two sentry damage rigs will use about the same CPU as a DDAII and give about the same damage bonus.
I think anything able to survive its way to the sentry and with enough range to shoot at the Ishtar should be able to counter it : BS, Eagle, Cerberus. Just orbit the sentries at 5km or tank them while shooting at the Ishtar.
Bonus : if he abandon a set of sentries to launch a second one, scoop the first set. :D |
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1747
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Posted - 2013.12.18 10:20:00 -
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Honestly this is one of those things thats hard to fight but really really easy to just avoid..
I mean you can just align out and you will be out of the range of his sentries in no time. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
522
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Posted - 2013.12.18 18:39:00 -
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Run away or die horribly.
Ishtars are pretty sick right now. E.A.D
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