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Silas Vitalia Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD 1234	Posted - 2013.12.16 19:11:00 - [1] - Quote I've heard some lovely tales this last week-end. It seems Palas' Pontif of Piety, Odelya d'Hanguest, has had a recent falling out with everyone's favorite Jamyl high-heel lickers in PIE. Accusations of 'heresy' and 'having a sense of humor' have been lobbed in both directions. Contracts have been signed, mercenaries deployed, and violence is afoot. Merry-making aside I'd love if we could have someone with first-hand knowledge of the disagreement and details to share with the wider cluster? Need to get everyone's story straight for the eventual backtracking and he said-she said post-mortem. Sabik now, Sabik forever
Constantin Baracca 320	Posted - 2013.12.16 19:12:00 - [2] - Quote Silas Vitalia wrote: I've heard some lovely tales this last week-end. It seems Palas' Pontif of Piety, Odelya d'Hanguest, has had a recent falling out with everyone's favorite Jamyl high-heel lickers in PIE. Accusations of 'heresy' and 'having a sense of humor' have been lobbed in both directions. Contracts have been signed, mercenaries deployed, and violence is afoot. Merry-making aside I'd love if we could have someone with first-hand knowledge of the disagreement and details to share with the wider cluster? Need to get everyone's story straight for the eventual backtracking and he said-she said post-mortem. You know, I wouldn't have pegged you as a gossip, Silas. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?" -Matthew 16:26
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine 2433	Posted - 2013.12.16 19:38:00 - [3] - Quote It was certainly a jarring change in atmosphere from art appreciation to declarations of hostilities. I understand that Stormcrows feel that they have been most polite by having a formal pronouncement at all, whilst PIE is of the opinion that it ruined a lovely evening and upset the hostess, who is not involved in the conflict. Cultural differences, I suspect.

ISD Tyrozan ISD Community Communications Liaisons 252	Posted - 2013.12.16 19:47:00 - [4] - Quote A sexist post was removed. Forum rule 6. Racism and discrimination are prohibited. ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISDTyrozan \| @ISD_CCL

Silas Vitalia Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD 1234	Posted - 2013.12.16 20:02:00 - [5] - Quote Moving on.... Sabik now, Sabik forever
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 2507	Posted - 2013.12.16 20:10:00 - [6] - Quote Silas Vitalia wrote: Moving on.... Good idea. Run along and play with your toys, dear. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations
Silas Vitalia Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD 1234	Posted - 2013.12.16 20:20:00 - [7] - Quote Make me? Dear. Sabik now, Sabik forever
Silas Vitalia Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD 1234	Posted - 2013.12.16 20:22:00 - [8] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: It was certainly a jarring change in atmosphere from art appreciation to declarations of hostilities. I understand that Stormcrows feel that they have been most polite by having a formal pronouncement at all, whilst PIE is of the opinion that it ruined a lovely evening and upset the hostess, who is not involved in the conflict. Cultural differences, I suspect. Well there's something to be said for formality. PIE tend to not like their unmentionables to be twisted thusly in front of others, though. Sabik now, Sabik forever
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine 2433	Posted - 2013.12.16 21:37:00 - [9] - Quote Silas Vitalia wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: It was certainly a jarring change in atmosphere from art appreciation to declarations of hostilities. I understand that Stormcrows feel that they have been most polite by having a formal pronouncement at all, whilst PIE is of the opinion that it ruined a lovely evening and upset the hostess, who is not involved in the conflict. Cultural differences, I suspect. Well there's something to be said for formality. PIE tend to not like their unmentionables to be twisted thusly in front of others, though. I tend to share the pragmatic outlook of my countrymen, on the other hand nobody's unmentionables have really been twisted yet. I look forward to receiving news from the front.
Rin Valador Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 37	Posted - 2013.12.16 23:59:00 - [10] - Quote After all this post incident excitement I wish I would have attended the gala Live and learn. "There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10

Anslo The Scope Gallente Federation 3633	Posted - 2013.12.17 04:38:00 - [11] - Quote THE QUESTION IS: Do they enter lowsec? -\_For the Proveldtariat_/-
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine 2433	Posted - 2013.12.17 06:07:00 - [12] - Quote This is more likely to be high-sec commerce raiding, isn't it?
Anslo The Scope Gallente Federation 3633	Posted - 2013.12.17 06:15:00 - [13] - Quote So same old boring ass highsec blerp. Lame. Here's hoping they show up elsewhere. -\_For the Proveldtariat_/-
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 2507	Posted - 2013.12.17 07:21:00 - [14] - Quote I can confirm that Stormcrows do indeed venture through low-security space. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1523	Posted - 2013.12.17 07:48:00 - [15] - Quote Constantin Baracca wrote: You know, I wouldn't have pegged you as a gossip, Silas.[/quote] Why not? It's pretty much all she ever does. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Silas Vitalia Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD 1234	Posted - 2013.12.17 16:11:00 - [16] - Quote Rodj Blake wrote: Why not? It's pretty much all she ever does. I destroyed about a billion isk in acts of piracy and looting just last evening. I realize you and.... 65 of your friends did shoot that one battleship last month, but there's no reason to be uncivil. Considering the thread is titled 'Pot and Kettle' I think you'd know better than to try and chastise others for.... lack of doing things? Anyway for the rest of you, I've heard it straight from the Ni-Kunni's mouth, they don't seem interested in going after Odeyla. Sabik now, Sabik forever
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine 2435	Posted - 2013.12.17 17:47:00 - [17] - Quote That's interesting. I would have thought PIE would have been angrier not at the sword but at the hand that wields it. What does this say if PIE gives she who hired mercenaries a free pass, but devotes their anger to those who simply took a paying contract?
Constantin Baracca 320	Posted - 2013.12.17 18:05:00 - [18] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: That's interesting. I would have thought PIE would have been angrier not at the sword but at the hand that wields it. What does this say if PIE gives she who hired mercenaries a free pass, but devotes their anger to those who simply took a paying contract? It may have something to do with her status and the Khanid. Relations have been sensitive so, if they felt it was necessary to rein in our own, I doubt it would be of the public variety. Most of the time, if we don't think another Amarrian is being appropriate, we tend to take care of that privately. That can be anything from correcting each others' modes of address to executing heretics. It tends to be taken care of in a reasonably polite manner if it can be helped. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?" -Matthew 16:26
Desiderya Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine 549	Posted - 2013.12.17 18:17:00 - [19] - Quote Can't really blame mercenaries for taking a contract. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Lyn Farel Kitzless 647	Posted - 2013.12.17 20:13:00 - [20] - Quote Constantin Baracca wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: That's interesting. I would have thought PIE would have been angrier not at the sword but at the hand that wields it. What does this say if PIE gives she who hired mercenaries a free pass, but devotes their anger to those who simply took a paying contract? It may have something to do with her status and the Khanid. Relations have been sensitive so, if they felt it was necessary to rein in our own, I doubt it would be of the public variety. Most of the time, if we don't think another Amarrian is being appropriate, we tend to take care of that privately. That can be anything from correcting each others' modes of address to executing heretics. It tends to be taken care of in a reasonably polite manner if it can be helped. Isn't it a little too late for that ? I mean, privately, after all those endless arguments here... ?

Ascentior PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 51	Posted - 2013.12.18 02:25:00 - [21] - Quote It really never ceases to amaze me that people think this is worth talking about. We have lived through many wars, so have many of you. This is no different. PIE has been targeted by many groups before. We will be again. To the Stormcrows, I recommend you drop this ridiculous war and go find yourself an honest living, a real cause, or at least an easier target. As for claims of what PIE has done, will do, won't do or should do regarding the person responsible for hiring these thugs, we've made our position on these matters abundantly clear in the past. As usual, all parties that need to know more than what has already been stated, will. This is a rather disappointing move, but it only really strengthens our resolve. PIE will stay the course. That course is, and has been for quite some time, to save the inhabitants of the low security regions embroiled in this horrific war. To defend the good and righteous from the atrocious attacks lead by the terrorist Shakor. To sway from that course because some would-be bandits want to make a name or a quick buck would be putting the lives of those we wish to save at risk. I'm a little embarrassed for you
Alizabeth Vea Amok. Goonswarm Federation 311	Posted - 2013.12.18 03:44:00 - [22] - Quote Silas Vitalia wrote: I destroyed about a billion isk in acts of piracy and looting just last evening. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Editor: TheMittani.com -á If you are going anywhere else to get your Eve News, you are wrong.
Constantin Baracca 320	Posted - 2013.12.18 04:00:00 - [23] - Quote Lyn Farel wrote: Constantin Baracca wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: That's interesting. I would have thought PIE would have been angrier not at the sword but at the hand that wields it. What does this say if PIE gives she who hired mercenaries a free pass, but devotes their anger to those who simply took a paying contract? It may have something to do with her status and the Khanid. Relations have been sensitive so, if they felt it was necessary to rein in our own, I doubt it would be of the public variety. Most of the time, if we don't think another Amarrian is being appropriate, we tend to take care of that privately. That can be anything from correcting each others' modes of address to executing heretics. It tends to be taken care of in a reasonably polite manner if it can be helped. Isn't it a little too late for that ? I mean, privately, after all those endless arguments here... ? Have you ever seen the rivers of the Hedion V limestone forest? They're amazing. Vast stretches of dense, wild jungle with out a single overland river. Early settlers thought it was impossible that it grew that way. All they saw were vast lakes deep set into holes in the ground. There was no other fresh water. Where did the forest come from? It turns out that the lakes were simply the openings for a series of vast, underground caves through which the water flowed. The trees of the region simply pushed their roots through a couple meters of solid earth to find the water, then shot skyward into spectacular trees. A vast, rich, underground river source that is the lifeblood of the jungle, and the only signs of it above were a few scattered watering holes. In a way, that's how Amarrian affairs tend to be. There is quite a bit always going beneath the surface. Every now and then, you see something to remind you that it exists, then it swiftly travels underground again. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?" -Matthew 16:26
Aarin Kyasura Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.12.18 04:21:00 - [24] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: That's interesting. I would have thought PIE would have been angrier not at the sword but at the hand that wields it. What does this say if PIE gives she who hired mercenaries a free pass, but devotes their anger to those who simply took a paying contract? It caught my eye... For one, isn't it easier to be mad at the people you can reach, than the one that takes more work? For another, Amarrians being mad at mercs rather than one of their own? Perish the thought... That could NEVER happen, right? Personally, I'm curious to see how they do. It'd be pretty laughable if an organization as capable as PIE couldn't stamp out a merc outfit. We'll find out.
Constantin Baracca 321	Posted - 2013.12.18 04:27:00 - [25] - Quote Aarin Kyasura wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: That's interesting. I would have thought PIE would have been angrier not at the sword but at the hand that wields it. What does this say if PIE gives she who hired mercenaries a free pass, but devotes their anger to those who simply took a paying contract? It caught my eye... For one, isn't it easier to be mad at the people you can reach, than the one that takes more work? For another, Amarrians being mad at mercs rather than one of their own? Perish the thought... That could NEVER happen, right? Personally, I'm curious to see how they do. It'd be pretty laughable if an organization as capable as PIE couldn't stamp out a merc outfit. We'll find out. I suppose we'd have to define "stamp out". When you can't kill your enemies with any permanency, conflicts could feasibly go on for eternity if the participants are stubborn enough. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?" -Matthew 16:26
Aarin Kyasura Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.12.18 04:32:00 - [26] - Quote Constantin Baracca wrote: Aarin Kyasura wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: That's interesting. I would have thought PIE would have been angrier not at the sword but at the hand that wields it. What does this say if PIE gives she who hired mercenaries a free pass, but devotes their anger to those who simply took a paying contract? It caught my eye... For one, isn't it easier to be mad at the people you can reach, than the one that takes more work? For another, Amarrians being mad at mercs rather than one of their own? Perish the thought... That could NEVER happen, right? Personally, I'm curious to see how they do. It'd be pretty laughable if an organization as capable as PIE couldn't stamp out a merc outfit. We'll find out. I suppose we'd have to define "stamp out". When you can't kill your enemies with any permanency, conflicts could feasibly go on for eternity if the participants are stubborn enough. Fair enough. I would define it as; a completely one sided fight that either results in Stormcrows being rendered ineffective to the point of not even being able to undock for the duration, or scattered to the winds as an organization entirely without inflicting hardly any damage at all in turn.
Silas Vitalia Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD 1235	Posted - 2013.12.18 16:32:00 - [27] - Quote More likely PIE does not wish to ruffle feathers with Odelya d'Hanguest's parent organization, lest they be slapped. I wonder, does PIE cooperate with organizations whose membership hire mercenaries to kill them? Sabik now, Sabik forever
Anslo The Scope Gallente Federation 3637	Posted - 2013.12.18 17:04:00 - [28] - Quote Well the other side doesn't seem to care about other Amarr organizations or their opinions. Why should PIE care about Odelya's parent group? Not trying to be an ass (for once), I'm just trying to understand the nature of the war. -\_For the Proveldtariat_/-
Constantin Baracca 322	Posted - 2013.12.18 17:55:00 - [29] - Quote Anslo wrote: Well the other side doesn't seem to care about other Amarr organizations or their opinions. Why should PIE care about Odelya's parent group? Not trying to be an ass (for once), I'm just trying to understand the nature of the war. As far as I know, the only group of note in Odelya's case is Khanid nobility. The Khanid have a tendency to group together when threatened as a group, as most do, and so it's important that if PIE decides to move against Odelya that it isn't something that can become a political issue. PIE, unlike a lot of other organizations, has a very clear and direct responsibility to the Amarr Empire, rather than simply being a contracted entity. It makes their work a bit more difficult, since they have to keep those political elements in mind when others don't necessarily need to, but I suppose that's why I give them quite a bit more respect than your average mercenary or quasi-political organization. They could easily make their jobs easier by ignoring those considerations. So if PIE decides to do something about her, I assume it will either be extremely well justified or very quiet. We may not hear about it. That's the way issues like this are generally handled. It probably would still be that way in this situation, save that it was all dragged out in public. It's one of those things that make us a bit uncomfortable as Amarrians. The image of a sputtering braggadocio is generally regarded as pathetic in the Empire. If you're known, you're best to be known for polite conversation, intelligent discourse, or concise rhetoric. My father had a favorite saying, "Just because someone throws mud out of the pit at you doesn't mean you should jump in." There are always exceptions, but you'll notice the higher up the totem pole of Amarrian society you get, the more controls are imposed on your behavior. At the highest levels, merely being rude to the wrong people at the wrong time can get your life destroyed, figuratively and literally. In the end, if Odelya has indeed crossed the line, PIE might not even get to her in time. The Khanid are often even more strict than the rest of the Empire. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?" -Matthew 16:26
Anslo The Scope Gallente Federation 3638	Posted - 2013.12.18 18:14:00 - [30] - Quote I get the politics involved sort of but...Odelya aggressed first. Even if PIE attacked her and the Khanid, wouldn't it be justified? If the Khanid politicians start having issues, couldn't the Amarr just point to Odelya and tell em to leash up their dog or else?... I feel like any political ramifications could be made moot simply because PIE is acting in defense of a yapping selfcentered pornstar... -\_For the Proveldtariat_/-



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