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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:42:00 -
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Yesteday in a nice fleet battle. the enemye force had a carrier nothing strange about that but the thing was he was inside a pos and his fighters still attacked us...
Dont think thats fair that he can use fighters inside a POS when we cant kill him unlees we take down the POS first...
Plz fix that or els people just gonna use carriers, Titans in fleet battle with no risk at all becuase they are in there own POS
Not fair
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:44:00 -
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Good idea.
P.S. Why couldn't you just shoot down the fighters? They cost 20 million each, make him pay for them
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Good idea.
P.S. Why couldn't you just shoot down the fighters? They cost 20 million each, make him pay for them
Becuase we had 50 other hostiles we needed to kill first and when that was done the plan was to kill the carrier..
However under the battle our covert ops pilot found the carrier but it was inside there POS. But his fighters was still attacking us..
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JamesTalon
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:48:00 -
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Also, they can't target anything outside the POS shield, so its not like a titan will be able to fire at you while inside one. But a carrier sitting inside one and having his fighters rip stuff up is a nice idea.
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Gonada
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:49:00 -
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so whats your point?
that the carrier pilot used the game mechanics he gets by assigning a fighter to a pod pilot, and attacking that way ?
sounds like you guys were outgunned at the start and turn to whine when you failed.
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: JamesTalon Also, they can't target anything outside the POS shield, so its not like a titan will be able to fire at you while inside one. But a carrier sitting inside one and having his fighters rip stuff up is a nice idea.
No is not a nice idea you can do that but it should be an exploit becuase you simply take no risk since you are protected by a POS..
Example you got 10 carriers and 50 bs and you are about to enter a fleet battle just get you carriers in you POS they will be safe but they can still used there awesome firepower agains the enemy.. Thats simply not fair and I hope the hardworking CCP team gonna fix that now i have brought this to there attention
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada so whats your point?
that the carrier pilot used the game mechanics he gets by assigning a fighter to a pod pilot, and attacking that way ?
sounds like you guys were outgunned at the start and turn to whine when you failed.
LOl go els where if you wanna smack m8.. BTW E-R dont fail we are just disppointed that we coulnt kill another carrier
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
Originally by: Gonada so whats your point?
that the carrier pilot used the game mechanics he gets by assigning a fighter to a pod pilot, and attacking that way ?
sounds like you guys were outgunned at the start and turn to whine when you failed.
LOl go els where if you wanna smack m8.. BTW E-R dont fail we are just disppointed that we coulnt kill another carrier
Agreed, Lunas. No smack in this thread.
Using fighters from a carrier within the POS should be an exploit.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:57:00 -
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"Dont think thats fair that he can use fighters inside a POS when we cant kill him unlees we take down the POS first..."
It's no different from them sitting (or moving between) deep safespots while the fighters are assigned to other people and do the dirty work. In fact, you have more chance of taking down that POS, than finding them.
It's just the way the carriers are. Kill the fighters, and you free yourself of the problem...
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Ti anna
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:57:00 -
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Before we go off half roostered, did you think that maybe the carrier was just there and was assigning fighters to the other combatants? From this point on, the cruisers, frigates, bs's etc, that had fighters assigned to them could use them to attack as needed. This IS a valid tactic and is well within the guidelines and the purpose of a carrier.
Carrier inside shield, supplying fighters to other corp allies/pilots is a GREAT tactic and should be applauded, not moaned.
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
Originally by: Gonada so whats your point?
that the carrier pilot used the game mechanics he gets by assigning a fighter to a pod pilot, and attacking that way ?
sounds like you guys were outgunned at the start and turn to whine when you failed.
LOl go els where if you wanna smack m8.. BTW E-R dont fail we are just disppointed that we coulnt kill another carrier
Agreed, Lunas. No smack in this thread.
Using fighters from a carrier within the POS should be an exploit.
Thank you I just dont hope I have giving people ideas, hehe
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.08 18:59:00 -
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Actually, thinking about it again, since one CAN assign fighters to any ship from a safespot, using fighters from within a POS shouldn't be an exploit.
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Spokesperson
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Posted - 2006.03.08 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Yesteday in a nice fleet battle. the enemye force had a carrier nothing strange about that but the thing was he was inside a pos and his fighters still attacked us...
Dont think thats fair that he can use fighters inside a POS when we cant kill him unlees we take down the POS first...
Plz fix that or els people just gonna use carriers, Titans in fleet battle with no risk at all becuase they are in there own POS
Not fair
You can take down his fighters cant you? Stop whining.
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Rider Zane
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Posted - 2006.03.08 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Yesteday in a nice fleet battle. the enemye force had a carrier nothing strange about that but the thing was he was inside a pos and his fighters still attacked us...
Dont think thats fair that he can use fighters inside a POS when we cant kill him unlees we take down the POS first...
Plz fix that or els people just gonna use carriers, Titans in fleet battle with no risk at all becuase they are in there own POS
Not fair
A carrier can assign its fighters to any gang member in the system. Thats how they work by design and if people utilize this feature then they are clever. The Carrier could have been at a safespot and done the same thing.
No need to seek for things to be nerfed when they are working as intended.
Why didn't you just kill the fighters? They're not particularly tough, and at 20mil a pop - sooner or later he would have stopped spitting them out.
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2006.03.08 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ti anna Before we go off half roostered, did you think that maybe the carrier was just there and was assigning fighters to the other combatants? From this point on, the cruisers, frigates, bs's etc, that had fighters assigned to them could use them to attack as needed. This IS a valid tactic and is well within the guidelines and the purpose of a carrier.
Carrier inside shield, supplying fighters to other corp allies/pilots is a GREAT tactic and should be applauded, not moaned.
Yes he had assigned Fighter to his gang m8s ships but dont you see its not fair becuase the carrier is not taking any risk at all.. Arnt pvp suppose to put you ina risk zone where you can lose you ships doesnt that make pvp the fun is it today??
PVP = Fun becuase you can lose you ship.. This is just a win button with no risk at all
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2006.03.08 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Spokesperson
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Yesteday in a nice fleet battle. the enemye force had a carrier nothing strange about that but the thing was he was inside a pos and his fighters still attacked us...
Dont think thats fair that he can use fighters inside a POS when we cant kill him unlees we take down the POS first...
Plz fix that or els people just gonna use carriers, Titans in fleet battle with no risk at all becuase they are in there own POS
Not fair
You can take down his fighters cant you? Stop whining.
Yes we can and we did but that not the point you cant kill the carrier so the pilot got nothing to lose except some crappy fighters
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.08 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
Originally by: Spokesperson
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Yesteday in a nice fleet battle. the enemye force had a carrier nothing strange about that but the thing was he was inside a pos and his fighters still attacked us...
Dont think thats fair that he can use fighters inside a POS when we cant kill him unlees we take down the POS first...
Plz fix that or els people just gonna use carriers, Titans in fleet battle with no risk at all becuase they are in there own POS
Not fair
You can take down his fighters cant you? Stop whining.
Yes we can and we did but that not the point you cant kill the carrier so the pilot got nothing to lose except some crappy fighters
Those "crappy" fighters cost 20 million each.
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2006.03.08 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine "Dont think thats fair that he can use fighters inside a POS when we cant kill him unlees we take down the POS first..."
It's no different from them sitting (or moving between) deep safespots while the fighters are assigned to other people and do the dirty work. In fact, you have more chance of taking down that POS, than finding them.
It's just the way the carriers are. Kill the fighters, and you free yourself of the problem...
True but atleats people get a chance to ***** the ss and then kill him
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Wizie
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Posted - 2006.03.08 19:11:00 -
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As ghey as I find the new super ship ideas/implementations, I have to agree that once the fighter is assigned to a gang member, the ship should be able to go wherever it pleases. So a POS should be well within bounds.
Kill the fighters and that should be sufficient.
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.03.08 19:17:00 -
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I don't think the fighters are the problem here, it's more a we want to be able to kill the carrier... read the OP a little more closer. reference to no risk for using one, and subsequent replies seem to confirm that... we wanted the carrier 'another' one......
I spose it's a double edge sword here, either the point is we want the carrier if the opponent is using one (dead i mean) as in it should be open to the same risk as any other ship... though ofc with the carrier being a primary support ship... you could well understand it not being in harms way..... either assigning from multiple safes.. or in a pos sheild,,, it realy makes no difference as allready pointed out.....
Or if the opponent wasn't using a carrier, i spose there would be no point to this thread, the 2nd edge of the sword..... pointless.....
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2006.03.08 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Wizie As ghey as I find the new super ship ideas/implementations, I have to agree that once the fighter is assigned to a gang member, the ship should be able to go wherever it pleases. So a POS should be well within bounds.
Kill the fighters and that should be sufficient.
Its simply so wrong pvp is getting more and more crappy each day.. POS shooting killing fighters??? wtf why dont you just make a new mod called spawn NPC generals and then we can all sit in a POS, spawn tons of NCP ships and watch them how they kill eachother... Irs gonna be so much fun:P
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The GoldenRatio
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Posted - 2006.03.08 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Using fighters from a carrier within the POS should be an exploit.
I disagree. Here is my reasoning:
It is an exploit to use dreads and BS etc from within a POS because they can sit behind the POS shields with zero risk and take targets out. These ships are made to be used in head-on situations.
Carriers, on the other hand, are designed to have the ability to be 60 AU away but still be able to effectivly use their fighters by assigning them to pod pilots.
A carrier could assign its fighters to a pilot or three and then warp between 20 pre-made safespots. You would NEVER catch him. Or he could sit in HIS POS. This is called using a carrier as it is intended to ber used.
Another huge diff between using a dread from within a POS and using a carrier, is you cant target a dreads lasers and take them out. But you CAN target the fighters when they leave the POS bubble, and you can destroy them. It is completely fair.
Take a look at this:
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood ...Becuase we had 50 other hostiles we needed to kill first and when that was done the plan was to kill the carrier..
Whether the carrier was in a POS or at a safespot, your plan was to kill the 50 hostiles first. So why didnt you just kill the 50 other hostiles, then seige the POS and take out the fighters? Sending a few fighters at a big fleet is the best way to lose hundreds of millinos of isk with minimal damage done to the enemy. Once the fighters are dead the carrier, just like any other ship, would be useless. Also, if the carrier had no friendlies to asign fighters to, even if it had fighters it could not deploy/use them from within the POS shield.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.08 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: The GoldenRatio
Originally by: Dark Shikari Using fighters from a carrier within the POS should be an exploit.
I disagree. Here is my reasoning:
Read my second post--I agree with you. Didn't remember that carriers could assign their fighters to gangmates from anywhere in system.
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ToxicFire
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Posted - 2006.03.08 19:51:00 -
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To sum this thread up for those that don't want to read the ***** back... Someone got out thought, didn't get there carrier kill and is whining about it.
And tbh that pure is it, your simply wanting everything in battle tbh be fair as long as its fair in your favour. There is no ship in the game designed to be an exact opposit to an existing ship the entire point of pvp is that you use every advantage you have to make it unfair. This wasn't an exploit the carrier could have been taken out if you took down the pos, if the fighters were passing out side the pos bubble which they most undoubtly were, they were vunerable if there are no fighters left the carrier combat you, ie it can be removed from the battle as a combat target.
Roles reversed and if you had thought of it first you would have most undoubtably done the same, as would anyone with a brain for tactics. Or to simplify this concept if you knew the enermy had 50 ships would you take 50 ships or 100? If the answers 50 I strongly suggest your Fleet Commander Removes you from the roster
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Asane
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Posted - 2006.03.08 19:52:00 -
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Now what good are POS if not for safety?
Anyways, fighters are ships too, just whack them
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Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2006.03.08 20:02:00 -
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Don' know how it works, but if you can reequip the carrier at a ship maintenance bay, then you could theoretically move out of the force field to start new waves again and again or not ? Could also produce new fighters at that pos. Funny. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.' |
Gismork
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Posted - 2006.03.08 20:04:00 -
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Edited by: Gismork on 08/03/2006 20:04:39 The carrier can also be in a safespot with his figther assigned to a pilot, he takes no risk, is it an exploit ? No. Same thing for a POS. Kill the figthers that's all.
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Survivor X
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Posted - 2006.03.08 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Snake Jankins Don' know how it works, but if you can reequip the carrier at a ship maintenance bay, then you could theoretically move out of the force field to start new waves again and again or not ? Could also produce new fighters at that pos. Funny.
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Spokesperson
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Posted - 2006.03.08 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: Spokesperson on 08/03/2006 20:22:19 Edited by: Spokesperson on 08/03/2006 20:20:34
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
Yes we can and we did but that not the point you cant kill the carrier so the pilot got nothing to lose except some crappy fighters
You cant attack something inside of a force field. Carriers can send their fighters far away.
Its game mechanics, stop whining!
you remind me of that guy in the Ts movie with Tank CEO and Daakon a long time ago.
(bah! Cant remember the correct spelling of gheyoons name)
Btw : your crappy sig totally justefies not being able to attack ships within force fields.
Edit : also, the difference between a carrier sending its fighters outside the force field and a fleet commander sneing his frigates outside is NONE!
NOW STOP WHINING!
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Asane
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Posted - 2006.03.08 20:36:00 -
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If you attack a POS, shouldn't it be major resistance?
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