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Gun Lighter
iu0roewfiop
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Posted - 2013.12.19 07:05:00 -
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I was watching proteus and found that it is not good as drone boat. With all sub systems for drone it has only 100 b/w and 225 bay. Oh and 6 hi slots (without clock or scan subsystems) with 3 turret oO! Can we have something with 125bw / 375bay and slots like 4 hi / 5(6) med / 6(7) low? It is gallente hull after all, why no dedicated drone boat? |
Froggy Storm
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.12.19 07:28:00 -
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Wouldn't that just push the Ishtar out of its niche? One that already is debatable as far OP given that sentry drones are bs sized weapon system.
Assuming that the T3s rabid dog euthanasia argument is valid, then giving the Proteus a superiors bs sized tank with obscene damage and projection of sentries seems a stretch. |
Roime
Imperial Collective
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Posted - 2013.12.19 08:07:00 -
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IMO the main thing the drone Proteus needs is tons of more cargo space, so it can be used for exploration refitting like the other T3s. Currently you can't fit the drones and subsystems in cargo with a mobile depot and refit in space for travel/site running.
Please note that the Proteus tanks better and has more lows than Ishtar, meaning that it can use more DDAs to achieve the same dps as Ishtar. . |
GreenSeed
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Posted - 2013.12.19 08:33:00 -
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people are losing their minds over Ishtars and sentries and you want 125mb on a cruiser hull that can reach 200k ehp with a T2 tank, ignore bubbles, get Haloed down to Zealot levels of signature, get 100+ sensor strength, warp cloaked and.... eh... something else that im sure forgetting.
are you mad? |
Janeway84
Masters Of Destiny Pride Before Fall
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Posted - 2013.12.19 10:24:00 -
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coulda drone dmg prot out dps a standard neutron blaster prot? |
Nimrod vanHall
Martyr's Vengence Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2013.12.19 11:16:00 -
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Janeway84 wrote:coulda drone dmg prot out dps a standard neutron blaster prot? Outside of s ram range, yes. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
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Posted - 2013.12.19 14:51:00 -
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Froggy Storm wrote:Wouldn't that just push the Ishtar out of its niche? One that already is debatable as far OP given that sentry drones are bs sized weapon system.
Assuming that the T3s rabid dog euthanasia argument is valid, then giving the Proteus a superiors bs sized tank with obscene damage and projection of sentries seems a stretch.
without the other drone bonuses, the gigantic drone bay, it wouldn't push it out of its niche at all. It would still be worse than the ishtar in terms of combat effectiveness. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Mizhir
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2013.12.19 16:15:00 -
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The 100mbit bandwidth on the proteus is a perfect example of how T3s should be balanced compared to hacs. No need to change it. One Man Crew - The official Bringing Solo Back contest
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS CODE.
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Posted - 2013.12.20 20:23:00 -
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Actually the proteus needs 24 more bandwith. I'm positive that this would more than double the number of people the number of whine threads asking for the proteus to be overpowered. I hate to disagree with you,-ábut there is nothing subjective about "boring" in connection to "mining". -á-á-á-á -- Solstice Project's Alt |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.20 21:34:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:people are losing their minds over Ishtars and sentries and you want 125mb on a cruiser hull that can reach 200k ehp with a T2 tank, ignore bubbles, get Haloed down to Zealot levels of signature, get 100+ sensor strength, warp cloaked and.... eh... something else that im sure forgetting.
are you mad?
edit: i agree on the turret thing, the drone prot could use another turret, and probably an MWD Drone bonus like the Dragoon/Algos, but more Mb/s is a bad idea. Considering you can't use the cover reconfiguration with the drone synthesis projector you wouldn't get a cloaky warping 125mbit cruiser eve in the drone synthesis sub were buffed to make 125mbit possible. |
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Batelle
Komm susser Tod
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Posted - 2013.12.20 21:47:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Actually the proteus needs 24 more bandwith. I'm positive that this would more than double the number of people the number of whine threads asking for the proteus to be overpowered.
Confirming this would troll the **** out of me. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2013.12.21 01:14:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:The 100mbit bandwidth on the proteus is a perfect example of how T3s should be balanced compared to hacs. No need to change it.
I agree, and I use it like that. It has sufficient dps to kill "screaming", and sufficient dps to drop the structure in the maze (partly because the mazes defenders can't interfere with drone dps), and it has excellent mobility to go and complete those in hostile space, doubly so now that we can refit when we get there.
(ie the yurt upgrades the proteus more than it does the ishtar, because the proteus travel fit is better than the ishtars).
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Nuetral Alt
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.12.21 03:35:00 -
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Froggy Storm wrote:Wouldn't that just push the Ishtar out of its niche? One that already is debatable as far OP given that sentry drones are bs sized weapon system.
Assuming that the T3s rabid dog euthanasia argument is valid, then giving the Proteus a superiors bs sized tank with obscene damage and projection of sentries seems a stretch.
With that logic no one would ever use zealots...as a legion is just a more expensive version with a better tank right? |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2013.12.21 05:16:00 -
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Ishtar does about 750-800 dps @ 50km. Its fast, can kite, but no tank and no point range.
Drone proteus with rails will do about 650-700 dps @ 50km, has 5x the tank, can extend point to 50km, BUT is slow and cant kite.
Cloaky stratios can do about 650 dps @ 50km and is middle ground between ishtar's speed and proteuses tank; as bonus, has enough mid slots to fit ECM or damps.
I would say, every base is covered. Want tank? Go proteus. Want speed and gank? Go ishtar. Want tactical surprise? Go stratios.
The only thing is, I dont really see the use for a sentry proteus over rail proteus, for example, but I suppose it could work in big null alliance fights as fleet doctrine fit.
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Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2013.12.21 05:30:00 -
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The rail proteus is only a thing since medium rails were buffed and the point to a drone proteus isn't necessarily for characters with full T2 of both weapon system types. The application of the drone proteus is a lot better once the rail proteus is forced to spike for range reasons, and of course much better when kin is not a good damage type. It doesn't bug me if performance of the 2 fits are percieved as reasonably exchangeable, as I've occasionally used both anyway.
The ishtar also does 800 dps to far further than 50km if required (3 omnis + 2 scope chips). The ishtar can also do 926 dps to 48km (spike + garde IIs + shield tank). You could probably play around with the specific set of application mods and get that application out to 60. The ishtar comes with far more generous drone application stats - drone control range, lock range, drone tracking.
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Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2520
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Posted - 2013.12.21 11:12:00 -
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how about no, scott.... Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
713
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Posted - 2013.12.21 14:10:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:people are losing their minds over Ishtars and sentries and you want 125mb on a cruiser hull that can reach 200k ehp with a T2 tank, ignore bubbles, get Haloed down to Zealot levels of signature, get 100+ sensor strength, warp cloaked and.... eh... something else that im sure forgetting.
are you mad?
edit: i agree on the turret thing, the drone prot could use another turret, and probably an MWD Drone bonus like the Dragoon/Algos, but more Mb/s is a bad idea.
You do understand that you can't have drones and a covert sub art once, plus the drive damage sub is engineering or something oddball like that
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bubble trout
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2013.12.21 14:21:00 -
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The drone proty V ishtar and laser legion V zealot are examples of how T3 should look. At least according to ccp. |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
49
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Posted - 2013.12.21 20:55:00 -
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I've seen ragnarok's latest fight (wormholes). They used ishtars, not proteuses, for dps.
http://ragnarok.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=20589900
just look at that, ishtars absolutely alphaing guardians off the field one by one.
We are also slowly changing to ishtar doctrine lol, creeping closer and closer to it.
I dont even know how I would defend my guardians against that kind of gank if I was opposing FC. Probably not even put them on the field and just get 10 more gank boats or something... |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2013.12.22 02:05:00 -
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Unless the opponents freefired, that guardian blob was doomed.
Even if the guardian pilots all repped the right target the drone trigger just has to switch between 3 targets and then they'll shortly get 2 salvos away before the reps switch and hit - the drones hold their lock on the old target so switch faster after the first time. (ie > 50% per salvo is sufficient sometimes to get rid of repped targets, doesn't require full alpha).
You'd probably offer 5 boats that were all bricked as a lure in order to get a bombing run off in a wormhole fight, as bombers are a pretty reasonable counter to sentry blobs, and because sentry blobs are not cloaked when moving you should be aware of their composition. can be hard to form up bombers without them realising though (if they have cloaked scouts on your infrastructure). |
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