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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
608
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Posted - 2013.12.19 11:32:00 -
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Tyrton wrote:fixed mission prices for you
but as someone esle said he is not worth the effort to respond Your fix only makes sense if you fly some failboat, use wrong agent, don't count in LPs (or cash them in wrong) and loot, or do several things from that list at once. |
Bel Tika
Dirty Rotten Scoundrel's Not.Safe.For.Work.
49
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Posted - 2013.12.19 11:34:00 -
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I started this game just at the end of September with this character, i had this grand idea about exploring the eve universe and flying some huge ships into combat, exploring was the first thing that got dropped because well i sat there for about 2 hours looking at the probes crying "why u no do anything" thats when i realized i was to stoopid to understand it all or basically just needed a hell of alot longer than some to understand it, so i went ach bugger it, had a venture from one of the other tutorials so i planted my rear in it an flew to nearest asteroid belt an sat there an mined.
I mined that same spot for hours each day, i got bumped i got harassed ppl tried to scam me etc but i ignored it an continued on my way, 2nd day i had over 10 million, end of the week i had over 100 million, then i realized allow mining wasnt as bad as made out i wouldnt be able to do it constantly at the rate i was or i would just go blaaaaaaaah an leave, so i gave myself a 21 day trial an this pilot i made go combat, on him i ground missions for caldari navy, but tbh lvl 1 an 2 dont pay much an loots terrible so this account was basically keeping both going in ships and upgrades.
Long story short 2 month later im in a barge going for exhumer now, he flys a Hurricane, my other pilot flys a drake and my other pilot just yesterday sat in his newly bought Raven, every ship, every upgrade all them pilots got was bought and funded of this one account and all this one account has done is sit and mine scordite and pyrox.
Goals change, the guy sitting in the hurricane sits mostly in a miasmos all day hauling my ore, the raven pilot got the standing to do l4's but not the skills to fly the raven right so he still sits in the drake and with the other pilot does level 3's with me taking a break from mining and flying a noctis behind them salvaging/looting
If i never decided to get them other accounts i would 2 month later just by mining hi sec ore have pocket change in my wallet of excess of a billion isk, dont get me wrong i think im suffering from roid sickness or something but well i dont know how many times ive been told im doing it wrong, im gimping myself etc etc but well i've been in the game 2 month now an still cannae work out them damn probes so im no the brightest bulb.
Just pick something man an stick to it, im a slacker but doing level 3 combat missions an just salvaging/looting the wrecks can/could net me 50 mill isk a day if i didnt slack so much an sit have a laugh with corp m8's or mine like i did but in all honesty for that to work an the hours i put into that the biggest benefit to me while doing it was my corp an the ppl in it because they was active in the chat.
So aye, pick something stick with it get the relevant skill set up to make that something gooo faster an you will see the isk return get bigger |
Jered Hakaaros
Viziam Amarr Empire
22
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Posted - 2013.12.19 11:36:00 -
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I grinded missions in the beginning too, and thought the ISK results were pretty poor. Until I realised a good portion of profit came from trading in the Loyality points, which I had veeery plenty of by then. So OP, make sure to check and invest your LP right. Mission blitzing also improves your ISK ratio. |
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
170
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Posted - 2013.12.19 11:51:00 -
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Hook up with other players. It'll multiply your isk and your fun. There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |
Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
62
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Posted - 2013.12.19 12:05:00 -
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Mission grinding is, together with mining, the most boring way to make your ISK + the reason most beginners leave the game again. Just because this is an MMO, dont try to make your money here with the usual MMO grinding. Be clever, play the market, go out where its dangerous but more rewarding and be clever enough not to die in expensive ships.
Unless you like grinding for whatever reason. I cant understand how such a thing is possible, but there are such people out there. |
JackknifedII
The Congregation
48
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Posted - 2013.12.19 12:42:00 -
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I've been playing since 2006, with a 18 month break that ended around december 2012.
Until I took the break, I had lived in 0.0, wormholes, lowsec and highsec, and my wallet was always empty. I lived from ship to ship. When one exploded, I would hopefully have enough isk to buy another one. I paid no attention to actually making an income. I somehow managed to scrape a carrier together over 5 years of playing with spare isk, but never managed to fully fit it (I was in small corps with no need for a carrier other than as a cyno hauler). It all got a bit boring and i left the game.
When I came back to eve a year ago, I decided to organize myself a bit more. I joined a small corp that was growing quickly and because I was the only one with access to level 4 missions, I took people out on them. I was a ***** hauler on mining ops. I put together a set of ships that would be used to make money and nothing else. Then I took groups to run the epic arc missions and fitted my carrier properly.
After a few months, the corp joined an alliance and we moved to the drone regions. Since I now had ships set aside for ratting and probing, I could run anoms in the carrier, probe sites etc, and use a seperate stock for pvp. By the time June rolled around I was training an alt for a supercapital with real prospects of affording one by the time the alt was ready. And I always spent my isk on ships and modules or BPOs that would either make me money, or would act as equity so that I wouldn't waste isk on crap (I had developed a habit of buying faction frigates and pimping them out).
Well PL steamrolled through the drone regions but I managed to evacuate my stuff out, and now I am not in an alliance so still no need for a super. But because I have set aside specific ships for specific money making purposes, I am able to make money very quickly these days. Isk I make is invested back into my isk making ships, or set aside, and more recently building up a much bigger pvp ship hangar full of stuff I will happily whelp.
So in short, I came back to the game with less than 100 mil and a half fitted carrier. 12 months later of just being organised (not grinding for isk constantly) I have 1 bil in liquid isk, 600+mil in my sell orders, 12-14 bil in ships and another 3-4 bil in modules. I've never mined or done PI, or any margin trading market pvp. And I don't play for 8 hours a day or anything like that.
It's not about HOW you make isk, it's about what you do with it once you have it.
And if you want to pvp in FW, you can fit your ships for less than a million isk until you know what you are doing. Really cheap destroyers are incredibly effective, as most people who pvp are completely useless at it.
Minmatar....we are generally unpleasant to be around....
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Agent Luther Sloan
Starfleet Academy Red Squad
4
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Posted - 2013.12.19 12:50:00 -
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Tyrton wrote:Signal11th wrote: Run lvl 4's they are good for 15-30 mil an hour probably more (haven't run any for years but I imagine they are still around this mark)
fixed mission prices for you
If you're only making 15-30 mil an hour running lvl 4's you are doing them wrong. Adding isk rewards + bounties + LP I make at least 50 mil/hour, up to 75 or so if I get two really good ones in a row.
OP, hit me up in-game some time - I have standings to get decent lvl 4s from a couple corps and I'm always willing to help out someone new to missions. |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
195
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Posted - 2013.12.19 12:56:00 -
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Zol Interbottom wrote:I'm sort of limited to what i can do that i enjoy, running decent missions or joining the faction for FW i want is stuck behind large money and rep walls that would take months of grinding for me to overcome How about this roadmap:
Start a brand new character in one of your other character slots. play through all of the tutorials, the career agents included, to get a bunch of (actually useful) stuff while training up the skills this new character needs to fly a frigate in FW (Frigate skill, Prop jamming, guns...etc). Take your frigate of choice and sell everything you decide you don't need from the tutorials - don't worry about the prices you'll get, just liquidate the stuff for ISK. Go to Arnon and run the SoE Epic Arc "The Blood Stained Stars" most of which you can do in your frigate, get some help if you need to (this is where doing it on a new character is valuable) and pump the huge faction standing boost that gives you into your faction of choice for FW. Buy a bunch more frigates and fittings, move them or get them moved for you and join FW. You can probably reach this point within a couple of days if you really grind for it - a week or so at a more sedate pace where you can actually learn from the experience. Any time you have left on a reactivation, a trial or PLEX can then be spent pillaging the FW system for LPs and making bank. |
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER CODE.
488
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Posted - 2013.12.19 13:11:00 -
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Zol Interbottom wrote:Maye I should just go back to WoW, I hear there are pandas and its becoming more like the vanilla, at least in WoW, I don't spend all ******* week grinding for a 0.01 rep increase
\o/
I was about to suggest that. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
55
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Posted - 2013.12.19 13:34:00 -
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Agent Luther Sloan wrote:Tyrton wrote:Signal11th wrote: Run lvl 4's they are good for 15-30 mil an hour probably more (haven't run any for years but I imagine they are still around this mark)
fixed mission prices for you If you're only making 15-30 mil an hour running lvl 4's you are doing them wrong. Adding isk rewards + bounties + LP I make at least 50 mil/hour, up to 75 or so if I get two really good ones in a row. OP, hit me up in-game some time - I have standings to get decent lvl 4s from a couple corps and I'm always willing to help out someone new to missions.
+1
Also what a lot of newer missioners do not realise is: - LP gets higher the lower the security of the agents system - training security connections to V makes a huge difference - not all corps are equal in terms of ISK?LP ratio
Thesweet spot at the moment is 0.5 SOE security agents if you have Security Connections at V. You will regularly get 10,000 LP per mission with a 3:1 ISK ratio, meaning you pull in 30 mill on a good mission just from the LP. Just do not fly anything shiney or you will get ganked. |
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seth Hendar
I love you miners
264
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Posted - 2013.12.19 13:35:00 -
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Zol Interbottom wrote:In my entire time playing EVE I've made less than 100m ISK, I've run missions, done PI, mined rocks in space, I've ****** around shooting belt rats, shot up haulers in lowsec and diving into null to find decent sites.
I don't know what the **** I'm doing wrong, i know that the intense world of market PvP is always available for people who are willing to spend the time and effort running their 0.001's.
Aside from just going out and buying a PLEX.
I've been living on donations from other players after 10 ******* days of playing every time I've come back to the game and i'm rather sick of it. the way i started:
1- run lvl1 mission with a good frig, then switch to some lvl2
stick to those until you can afford a good cruiser (for me it was vexor)
you are now ready for some lvl 3 / roflstomp lvl2 easy, at this time, it could be good to also invest in a salvage destro
keep doing this until you can afford a good BC, myrm was it for me
from now on, work yourself on getting standing for doing lvl4, you will do a lot of lvl3 but you should roflstomp them easy. once you can access lvl4, you should be able to afford and fly a BS
this is for highsec, in low, exploration will do very very well, or even some easier things provided you know what to look for.
hint: we have a couple of guys +- your ingame age(10 to 20 days), they do +-100M in around 1-2h easy, this is solo, when they come with more experienced player in sigs / plex, they might do more, for exemple we ran a 6/10 DED last week, 2 experienced players + 2 "noobs", took +- 20-25m, drop was 1.2B -> that is 300M / each, and we let the new guys "fight" around the salvage, and they made correct money, they even wanted to share :)
while a 1.2B drop in a 6/10 is not often, 500m is regular, this should give you an idea. |
Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
63
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Posted - 2013.12.19 13:37:00 -
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Jacob Holland wrote:Zol Interbottom wrote:I'm sort of limited to what i can do that i enjoy, running decent missions or joining the faction for FW i want is stuck behind large money and rep walls that would take months of grinding for me to overcome How about this roadmap: Start a brand new character in one of your other character slots. play through all of the tutorials, the career agents included, to get a bunch of (actually useful) stuff while training up the skills this new character needs to fly a frigate in FW (Frigate skill, Prop jamming, guns...etc). Take your frigate of choice and sell everything you decide you don't need from the tutorials - don't worry about the prices you'll get, just liquidate the stuff for ISK. Go to Arnon and run the SoE Epic Arc "The Blood Stained Stars" most of which you can do in your frigate, get some help if you need to (this is where doing it on a new character is valuable) and pump the huge faction standing boost that gives you into your faction of choice for FW. Buy a bunch more frigates and fittings, move them or get them moved for you and join FW. You can probably reach this point within a couple of days if you really grind for it - a week or so at a more sedate pace where you can actually learn from the experience. Any time you have left on a reactivation, a trial or PLEX can then be spent pillaging the FW system for LPs and making bank.
Just quoting for truth |
Dirk Massive
D.O.O.M.
14
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Posted - 2013.12.19 13:44:00 -
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It's one thing to ask a question on these forums and get a bunch of suggestions, but in all honesty, you need to just find somebody in game to take you under their wing, and show you the ropes. For a long time I was like you, and was bleeding ISK, actually making very little. Somebody actually showing you what to do, and where to do it, and how it's done is about the only way when you're this frustrated. |
Ramona McCandless
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
1558
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Posted - 2013.12.19 13:51:00 -
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In a year and a half youve made 100m?
Really?
*** Vote MTU For CSM ***
Non omnis moriar |
Jack Mayhem
Kaer Industries
84
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Posted - 2013.12.19 13:52:00 -
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TLDR: OP sucks either at making money or conserving it. Both are related to not being very intelligent. |
Nick Starkey
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
10
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Posted - 2013.12.19 13:57:00 -
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SIgn up for fw, farm plexes... easy isk |
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
261
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Posted - 2013.12.19 14:03:00 -
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You ******* **** all you ******* gotta ******* do is ******* mine those ******* asteroids the **** harder. Moderate strength is shown in violence, supreme strength is shown in levity. |
Darth Mouse
30plus Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
1
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Posted - 2013.12.19 14:13:00 -
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Jack Mayhem wrote:TLDR: OP sucks either at making money or conserving it. Both are related to not being very intelligent.
Do the newbie missions - and Faction repair plan. Linked here.
This will get you into level 3's. If you're finding yourself spending more money than you are making on missions, consider a non-ammo based ship. Drones or Pew Pew Lasers.
Level 4 mission will net you about 50-60mil a pop in bounties, and more if you go back and salvage it. (Salvage book and T1 salvager cost about 2mil tops - So you've got the cash).
No one can really help you more than we have, giving you donations just feeds the whine machine. My Cyno alt makes money and is logged in about 30 minutes a day.
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Cyber SGB
Bionetic Creations
36
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Posted - 2013.12.19 14:19:00 -
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Zol Interbottom wrote:... their 0.001's
It's .01 Now you can be the supreme market trader. I write Kindle books. Visit my author page. http://amazon.com/author/sgbynum |
Kate stark
993
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Posted - 2013.12.19 14:21:00 -
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acquire more isk than you spend.
easy. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this. |
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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
4567
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Posted - 2013.12.19 14:24:00 -
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I didn't read the whole thread...so, I don't know if this has been mentioned. but you make money in eve, as in real life, by saving more than you spend. if you are losing ships and clones, you are losing money. if you are buying shiny things you don't really need and not having the income to support that habit, you are losing money. if you have a steak appetite on a bologna pocketbook...your "career" will always be in shambles.
edit: way to go, kate lol |
Ramona McCandless
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
1559
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Posted - 2013.12.19 14:27:00 -
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"Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen pounds nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds nought and six, result misery."
- the Micawber Principle *** Vote MTU For CSM ***
Non omnis moriar |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
675
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Posted - 2013.12.19 14:40:00 -
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dunno what you're talking about "0.01 rep increase," a single mission gives like 10x that, and it only takes like 10-15 missions to go from level 3's to level 4's, and level 3's are fast. Just get connections and social to level 3-4 and you're good to go.
Also FW is low barrier money, although you have to grind for a bit then cash out, and unless you've royally screwed up all your empire standings you can join it instantly with no problem.
If you have issues with security status you can go rat in lowsec with a destroyer and handle that with minimal risk as well.
Ratting in nullsec is also good because you can just undock and go, no messing around with loyalty points, mission areas, or things like that. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Kitanga
Lowsec Border Marshals
114
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Posted - 2013.12.19 14:48:00 -
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Zol Interbottom wrote:In my entire time playing EVE I've made less than 100m ISK, I've run missions, done PI, mined rocks in space, I've ****** around shooting belt rats, shot up haulers in lowsec and diving into null to find decent sites.
I don't know what the **** I'm doing wrong, i know that the intense world of market PvP is always available for people who are willing to spend the time and effort running their 0.001's.
Aside from just going out and buying a PLEX.
I've been living on donations from other players after 10 ******* days of playing every time I've come back to the game and i'm rather sick of it.
level 'connections' and 'social' skills so that you can get to level 4 agents faster.
if your sec needs fixing look for 'clone' rats in lowsec, they drop a tag you can turn in for quick sec fixing.
/thread |
Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
150
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Posted - 2013.12.19 14:56:00 -
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Zol Interbottom wrote:Stefanita Juarez wrote:PvP pays good if you win enough. PvP in eve these days is blob or gank. So fit a cat go to Jita and ruin some noobs day. Crime pays in eve. Until I'm on a negative sec status, permanently trapped out of highsec with no money and no way to actually do anything
No. Not at all. Bad sec status just means harder logistics. You can still gank in highsec for isk with a bad sec status, you will just need some help, like an orca alt to drop ships for you. But ofc all of eve becomes eaiser with alts and friends. BTW its relatively easy to repair sec status - go to low and grind for tags (which is decent isk in and of itself), or you can just by the tags with the isk you make from ganking.
Most isk I ever personally made was from ganking haulers. It worked real well, until the haulers stopped coming. Now, for the sake of variety, I'm trying out the pve aspects. For me, it hasn't been nearly as lucrative or fun. But then again, I'm probably doing it wrong. I don't play, I just fourm warrior. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2660
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Posted - 2013.12.19 15:25:00 -
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I know a super secret way to make 70-100+ mil ISK an hour, guaranteed, with no risk and very low skill requirements involved. Yes, even with a 10 day old character. ISK grinders hate me.
I'm not telling you about it though, because being a raging ass doesn't get you anything in Eve. Try again, and maybe ask nicely. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec pirate operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
2374
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Posted - 2013.12.19 15:29:00 -
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A typical level 4 mission earns at least 10 million ISK with the bounties included.
Old, but mostly still applicable: Beginner's guide to * MAKING ISK * in EVE-Online |
SKINE DMZ
Stay Frosty.
274
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Posted - 2013.12.19 15:38:00 -
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OP worst eve player? I disagree |
Jax Zaden
Prometheus Deep Core Mining
14
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Posted - 2013.12.19 15:47:00 -
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I made 120M yesterday - milking 3 Level 4 Enemies Abound (two part 3, one part 5). |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
508
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Posted - 2013.12.19 16:05:00 -
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There are four ways to make money in Eve:
(1) Run a corp and get other people to make money for you via tax (2) Be a highly skilled character and have a plan, i.e. trading, industry and so on (3) Be a low skilled character and mine, rat or run missions (4) Buy plex
Personally I've never done 4. I've done a lot of 3 and once you get to level 4 combat missions your wallet does tick over OK, though not spectacularly. I've done some ratting in null too, but like everything I do too often it gets kind of dull. Now with a highly skilled character I do science/industry and make a tidy profit.
Depending on your SP you might want to join a null corp, or even better if you're kind-of new, an academy for a null corp that starts you off in empire and then moves you to null when you're grown up.
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