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Curious Bear
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.21 01:43:00 -
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Would it be ok if I impersonate a GM outside eve to scam people?
ex: http://i.imgur.com/s1mAlXh.png
Y/N
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17843
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Posted - 2013.12.21 01:45:00 -
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GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5338
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Posted - 2013.12.21 01:46:00 -
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Let us ask an expert on discussing ccp's gm policies:
General Discussion There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over.
Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
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Posted - 2013.12.21 01:48:00 -
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Nope. CCP can't control anything that happens off their servers.
The day I get banned for something said outside of CCP's direct control (forums, game, servers, etc) is the day I suddenly fell victim to a hacking attempt.
"Obviously, CCP, my twitter account was hacked, someone set me up. Prove otherwise." The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Curious Bear
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.21 01:53:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Nope. CCP can't control anything "
So its ok to do?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5338
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Posted - 2013.12.21 01:54:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Nope. CCP can't control anything that happens off their servers.
The day I get banned for something said outside of CCP's direct control (forums, game, servers, etc) is the day I suddenly fell victim to a hacking attempt.
"Obviously, CCP, my twitter account was hacked, someone set me up. Prove otherwise." There are some fleet chat logs.
:colbert: There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over.
Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Eyelight ZeCyno
Confederation of Ninja Miners
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Posted - 2013.12.21 02:10:00 -
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you sure are mad about this, maybe you should concentrate on actually fighting, instead of crying to ccp to save your space. however, this is expected from the f1 buttan mashers that are PL/Pets.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.12.21 02:12:00 -
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Curious Bear wrote:So its ok to do? Why wouldn't it be?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5338
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Posted - 2013.12.21 02:16:00 -
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Eyelight ZeCyno wrote:you sure are mad about this, maybe you should concentrate on actually fighting, instead of crying to ccp to save your space. however, this is expected from the f1 buttan mashers that are PL/Pets. Hey, hey HEY
They assign drones, it's much more skill-based There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over.
Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Xavier Higdon
Wolfbane Hauler Inc
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Posted - 2013.12.21 02:21:00 -
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Goon button mashers calling out N3 button mashers.... Best thread ever. Wolfbane Hauler Inc Looking For Combat And Industrial Pilots |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7062
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Posted - 2013.12.21 02:27:00 -
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This is not in any way GM impersonation. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Leigh Akiga
Trickle Down Economics
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Posted - 2013.12.21 02:29:00 -
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Curious Bear wrote:So its ok to do?
I think this will answer all your questions
http://i.imgur.com/9AlALX1.jpg |
Curious Bear
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.21 02:34:00 -
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Eyelight ZeCyno wrote: you sure are mad about this
My dear boy you are mistaken, im verry happy about this, though i suppose the fault is mine for not being more clear.
Work got slow towards the end of the day today so i was browsing the forums and stumbled upon the latest DBRB saga. The fact that so many bears bought into the false GM response has given me renewed interest in scamming. I inted to use it to my favor in the future and was just wondering if im going to get sqaushed by the ban hammer. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17843
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Posted - 2013.12.21 02:39:00 -
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Curious Bear wrote:The fact that so many bears bought into the false GM response has given me renewed interest in scamming. I inted to use it to my favor in the future and was just wondering if im going to get sqaushed by the ban hammer. You will be if you're thinking about using it that wayGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
967
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Posted - 2013.12.21 02:40:00 -
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Curious Bear wrote:Eyelight ZeCyno wrote: you sure are mad about this
My dear boy you are mistaken, im verry happy about this, though i suppose the fault is mine for not being more clear. Work got slow towards the end of the day today so i was browsing the forums and stumbled upon the latest DBRB saga. The fact that so many bears bought into the false GM response has given me renewed interest in scamming. I inted to use it to my favor in the future and was just wondering if im going to get sqaushed by the ban hammer.
I expect the second you bring it into eve will be the second you get nailed for GM impersonation. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Curious Bear
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.21 02:47:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote: I expect the second you bring it into eve will be the second you get nailed for GM impersonation.
100% agreed. All i have to do is get them to look at a source outside eve (twitter for example, but not what im going to use) with an ingame name tied to it to make it seem legit and i should be in the clear? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17843
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Posted - 2013.12.21 02:50:00 -
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Curious Bear wrote:100% agreed. All i have to do is get them to look at a source outside eve (twitter for example, but not what im going to use) with an ingame name tied to it to make it seem legit and i should be in the clear? Only if what you do has nothing to do with the game, so unless you're going to pull a real-life confidence scam on them, you're not going to get anything. Of course, if you do that, you'll have real-world laws and sentencing to worry about. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Grimm Liberty
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.21 02:53:00 -
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Curious Bear wrote:Eyelight ZeCyno wrote: you sure are mad about this
My dear boy you are mistaken, im verry happy about this, though i suppose the fault is mine for not being more clear. Work got slow towards the end of the day today so i was browsing the forums and stumbled upon the latest DBRB saga. The fact that so many bears bought into the false GM response has given me renewed interest in scamming. I inted to use it to my favor in the future and was just wondering if im going to get sqaushed by the ban hammer.
um, I am new here, but isn't what you JUST SAID against the rules HERE? You talk about "INTENDING to impersonate a GM" while on their Forums? LOL
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Curious Bear
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.21 02:58:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Only if what you do has nothing to do with the game, so unless you're going to pull a real-life confidence scam on them, you're not going to get anything. Of course, if you do that, you'll have real-world laws and sentencing to worry about.
This is where i disagree.
The Goonswarm and various Goon figureheads have often stated that they rely on the 'meta-gaming' aspect of eve as much as any tangible mechanic and it is a gameplay element that even CCP recognizes.
So provided DBRB has been cleared of any wrongdoing on this sort of 'meta-gaming' scamming surely i can manipulate his method to affect other areas of gameplay and not be found at fault? |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
967
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Posted - 2013.12.21 03:00:00 -
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Curious Bear wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote: I expect the second you bring it into eve will be the second you get nailed for GM impersonation.
100% agreed. All i have to do is get them to look at a source outside eve (twitter for example, but not what im going to use) with an ingame name tied to it to make it seem legit and i should be in the clear?
No. The second you bring it in-game is the second you get nailed.
Since there seems to be some confusion, Boat didn't bring anything into EVE. He didn't use anything for any sort of in-game advantage. He never claimed to be a GM.
Your proposal brings the deception into EVE for gain, in some way. Hence why it fails.
Also, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but DBRB never really directly says "I am banned here's the note". Lots of implication and such, but never direct lines. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
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Curious Bear
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.21 03:04:00 -
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Grimm Liberty wrote:Curious Bear wrote:Eyelight ZeCyno wrote: you sure are mad about this
My dear boy you are mistaken, im verry happy about this, though i suppose the fault is mine for not being more clear. Work got slow towards the end of the day today so i was browsing the forums and stumbled upon the latest DBRB saga. The fact that so many bears bought into the false GM response has given me renewed interest in scamming. I inted to use it to my favor in the future and was just wondering if im going to get sqaushed by the ban hammer. um, I am new here, but isn't what you JUST SAID against the rules HERE? You talk about "INTENDING to impersonate a GM" while on their Forums? LOL
TOS issues have been unclear in the past. Hence why im posting on the forums for feedback. Thanks for being helpful friend. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
967
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Posted - 2013.12.21 03:05:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Curious Bear wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote: I expect the second you bring it into eve will be the second you get nailed for GM impersonation.
100% agreed. All i have to do is get them to look at a source outside eve (twitter for example, but not what im going to use) with an ingame name tied to it to make it seem legit and i should be in the clear? No. The second you bring it in-game is the second you get nailed. Since there seems to be some confusion, Boat didn't bring anything into EVE. He didn't use anything for any sort of in-game advantage. He never claimed to be a GM. Your proposal brings the deception into EVE for gain, in some way. Hence why it fails. In fact, here's a little analogy. I can sit back and say "I'm the President of the USA" all day long, with no impact. If I say "I'm the President, give me your money", I can be arrested (and locked in the loony bin). Also, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but DBRB never really directly says "I am banned here's the note". Lots of implication and such, but never direct lines.
And why that quoted instead of editing is beyond me. I'm having a DBRB moment. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
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Posted - 2013.12.21 03:08:00 -
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Curious Bear wrote:Eyelight ZeCyno wrote: you sure are mad about this
My dear boy you are mistaken, im verry happy about this, though i suppose the fault is mine for not being more clear. Work got slow towards the end of the day today so i was browsing the forums and stumbled upon the latest DBRB saga. The fact that so many bears bought into the false GM response has given me renewed interest in scamming. I inted to use it to my favor in the future and was just wondering if im going to get sqaushed by the ban hammer.
There is a very big difference between impersonating a GM, and writing a fake mail from one. What you have linked is not GM impersonation because no one is claiming to be a GM when they actually are not one. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Curious Bear
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.21 03:14:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Curious Bear wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote: I expect the second you bring it into eve will be the second you get nailed for GM impersonation.
100% agreed. All i have to do is get them to look at a source outside eve (twitter for example, but not what im going to use) with an ingame name tied to it to make it seem legit and i should be in the clear? No. The second you bring it in-game is the second you get nailed. Since there seems to be some confusion, Boat didn't bring anything into EVE. He didn't use anything for any sort of in-game advantage. He never claimed to be a GM. Your proposal brings the deception into EVE for gain, in some way. Hence why it fails. Also, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but DBRB never really directly says "I am banned here's the note". Lots of implication and such, but never direct lines.
Yes the point is to keep it 100% out of game with the exception being the end result-ISK/ships/mods whatever being traded/contracted to a scamming character of mine.
Think typical awoxing (joing the corp or whatever though in-game means, then once your on coms regularly enough to gain their trust point em to a website (non-ccp affiliated) thats has some sort of GM fabrication to get them to do what i want, like transfering me isk/ships/roles whatever.
That way nothing pointing to the fabricated GM info touched eve and all CCP sees is a transfer of goods/isk/ships whatever with no way to verify anything else.
Seems like kinda standard meta-gaming to me. Influence peoples thoughts through a forum not associated with eve and get them to do what you want. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17843
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Posted - 2013.12.21 03:16:00 -
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Curious Bear wrote: This is where i disagree.
No, this is where you get nailed for being really silly and obtuse and not understanding the difference between in-game and out-of-game.
Quote: The Goonswarm and various Goon figureheads have often stated that they rely on the 'meta-gaming' aspect of eve as much as any tangible mechanic and it is a gameplay element that even CCP recognizes.
So provided DBRB has been cleared of any wrongdoing on this sort of 'meta-gaming' scamming surely i can manipulate his method to affect other areas of gameplay and not be found at fault? GǪexcept that meta-gaming still has to abide by the EULA since it has in-game consequences. See that "game" part in "meta-game"? If you try to get an advantage by breaking e game rules, CCP will slap you.
What DBRB did had nothing with the in-game GÇö he just trolled reddit and twitter. Reddit and twitter not subject to CCP's rule or EULA and have no connection with the game; what you're thinking of is and does.
Quote: Yes the point is to keep it 100% out of game with the exception being the end result-ISK/ships/mods whatever being traded/contracted to a scamming character of mine. That means it's in-game, so you're not allowed to imspersonateGǪ well, anyone, really, but least of all any kind of game functionary such as a GM. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2013.12.21 03:22:00 -
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If your out-of-game antics cause trouble for CCP, then CCP will make an in-game decision about you. Also, never underestimate the (sadistic) creativity of a bored legal department.
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Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
967
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Posted - 2013.12.21 03:22:00 -
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Curious Bear wrote:
Yes the point is to keep it 100% out of game with the exception being the end result-ISK/ships/mods whatever being traded/contracted to a scamming character of mine.
Think typical awoxing (joing the corp or whatever though in-game means, then once your on coms regularly enough to gain their trust point em to a website (non-ccp affiliated) thats has some sort of GM fabrication to get them to do what i want, like transfering me isk/ships/roles whatever.
That way nothing pointing to the fabricated GM info touched eve and all CCP sees is a transfer of goods/isk/ships whatever with no way to verify anything else.
Seems like kinda standard meta-gaming to me. Influence peoples thoughts through a forum not associated with eve and get them to do what you want.
The failure in your devious plot is bolded. You've used "pretending to be a GM" to acquire stuff in-game.
Plus, there's a pretty huge diff between saying "I am a GM" and "Look at this ban E-mail, which I have manipulated you into thinking regards me".
Again, I may be wrong, but didn't DBRB say the actual ban email was a real one? If so, there's no "impersonating a GM", you just got fooled.
Don't feel bad man, DBRB is a pro. One time, he fooled me into thinking a titan was an IHUB. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7064
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Posted - 2013.12.21 03:37:00 -
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What video is that from? I remember seeing it once a while ago. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5338
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Posted - 2013.12.21 03:38:00 -
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Wow, some people are really... er...
I will link this thread in bomber fleet when boat next FCs us (and the dominixes and the dreads) There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over.
Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Ashlar Maidstone
Multiplex Gaming Li3 Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.21 03:39:00 -
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If you think by impersonating a GM outside of Eve is ok, let me say this was brought up not long ago about using alts as well. That anytime you impersonate somebody real or virtual, depending on the laws of where you are, you CAN be found and brought before the courts with charges out the wazoo.
My advice to you is don't do it unless you want to rot away in prison for doing something like this. like this |
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