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Ashurmija
IA Construction Co
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Posted - 2013.12.24 11:11:00 -
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In makes sense to me, that having capital ships in C3s if made ourselves is not an entirely absurd idea. Most people will probably read that and flame me, for the rest of you I have the following inquiry. Dread or Carrier? I know carrier is likely to be the better choice, keep in mind we have plenty of tengu pilots and I wouldn't be alone in doing this. With a carrier, I could solo sites as long as our tengu pilots are on to back me up if things go south, I would be aligned to the POS and we would have eyes on all exits before I would leave POS, and I would probably only do it if there are 3 or less exits. That said, I can fly a revelation in 17 days with all the capital mods, and I have an alt that can fly a tengu, I was thinking if I bring the two, and have the tengu web and paint the battle ships and let the dread take battle ships and maybe cruisers, that it could work. The carrier will take almost 75 days before I can fly it and fit all the capital mods, this is why I am even questioning it. If it were 17 day vs 17 day I would probably pick the carrier. We can afford to lose the dread if it comes to that, but I honestly think it would be fairly safe to do.
Why? mostly because it's fun and would make the game more fun for me. But I think it would speed up sites, and I could handle the hardest C3 sites no problem between the two ships. some of the harder sites are hard to do with only 2 tengus. maybe possible, but definately harder.
Opinions please. The real question is, Dread is 17 days? or just wait out the 75 days for the carrier. I am choosing one, even if you think just use 2 tengus is a better option, you will be ignored if you suggest that. |
Icarus Able
Revenant Tactical
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Posted - 2013.12.24 12:20:00 -
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Yes you should deffo do this. The main question is why not both? Just make sure you fit it properly your flying a 1 bill isk hull make sure you fit deadspace EANMS etc. |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
437
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Posted - 2013.12.24 14:47:00 -
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And then you will have cleaned out your home hole in one night and your expensive cap will sit in the POS doing nothing for days at a time, if not weeks waiting for new sites to spawn.
Looking for a use for your expensive toy, you will take greater risks, such as shooting the POCOs. Then this will happen and you will be :sadpanda:. Free Ripley Weaver! |
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
62
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Posted - 2013.12.24 15:20:00 -
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PvE Dread in C3 wont work because you are limited by siege timer. C5 sites (fully cap escallated (28+ sleeper BS) of course) can be done in single cicle with two dreads.
PvP application is fairly different. It can nicely blap even webbed and painted cruisers. Triage carrier can make your fleet on the other hand practically immortal. But it is substantial investment which cannot be retrieved form fairly bad hole when tou decide to move up. It can hlep in deffense or intruder eviction alot.
If you can have capital why not move to some better hole like C4/C3 or C5. C5-6 is the place where capitals really shine. |
Borsek
A.A.A Ragnarok.
71
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Posted - 2013.12.24 16:50:00 -
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get a c4 and a carrier, carrier can rep POS shields and mods if you're sieged and a dread can probably solo an enemy tower
for PvE in holes lower than c5, get a carrier, no point in a dread at all
with the siege timer and the webbing requirement, a carrier will work much faster with sentries (and webs)
you can also use the carrier in pvp, dread in usual c3 pvp is completely useless |
Ashurmija
IA Construction Co
2
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Posted - 2013.12.24 21:16:00 -
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Thank you all for your input. I was thinking maybe train the carrier on my main and train the dread on my alt, they'll both finish around the same time, but maybe when the time comes that I can fly them, we can move to a C4 first. Not including myself we have 4 or 5 tengu pilots, both of mine fly tengus. But our numbers as a corp are fairly small and not always on at the same time, I don't know if my corp is big enough to live in a c4. definately not a c5 |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
403
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Posted - 2013.12.24 22:32:00 -
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Only reason to build a dread in lower class WH is for system defence, knocking down hostile POSes if they put one up and blapping sub-caps if they bring a BS fleet to bash your POS. For PVE its a waste of time and you'd need a good support fleet to complement it for that one time you might get to use it. |
bubble trout
Sky Fighters
120
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Posted - 2013.12.25 02:21:00 -
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I would troll and suggest you to get caps in whatever hole you live in but it is christmas eve. Don't get a cap. It makes no sense to have a cap with as low of numbers as you suggest. You won't ever really make the isk back compared to what you make now running sites, and you'd more than likely lose it if you brought it out against someone who knows what they are doing. |
Tasiv Deka
End-of-Line
117
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Posted - 2013.12.25 03:31:00 -
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Caps "totally" make your WH unsiegeable no one will ever camp your hole for weeks just to get at your caps i mean seriously Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts...-á
The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth. |
GreenSeed
800
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Posted - 2013.12.25 06:19:00 -
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a bill isk ship is a disposable ship unless you are a space hobo.
the problem is the logistics of building it, they are hardly worth the effort on a low C hole. anyway, you can still get basic insurance if you blow it up, so i guess its all about how much use you can get out of it. triaged carriers on a C3 are a good way of making a standard 20 - 30 man invading fleet **** off, there's no way they can kill a T3 ship while under triaged reps they will just leave bored, but they will come back with lolgeddons.
specially because there's still people in this game who think a carrier kill means anything. |
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Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
355
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Posted - 2013.12.25 08:54:00 -
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If you build it, HK will come.... To blow it up...
People don't kill capitals because they actually mean something (though that's a point for debate in wormholes)
People like, and strive to kill capitals, because they're big, humans enjoy destroying things larger than themselves. It gives them a sense of control in the utter chaos that is life.
It translates to eve well, especially because of killmails, seriously the only thing better than a fishing story is a website that tells the story for you. Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour.
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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
124
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Posted - 2013.12.25 09:36:00 -
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Capitals in low class wormholes are a huge honeypot. Don't do it, unless you are setting a trap for people like us.
Trust me, I have sieged many a pos in attempts to get to one. |
Tasiv Deka
End-of-Line
141
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Posted - 2013.12.25 18:54:00 -
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Hey OP what's your J-Sig i dont ask for any particular reason... Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts...-á
The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth. |
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Anomalous Existence Surely You're Joking
159
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Posted - 2013.12.25 20:12:00 -
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Hint: we devour idiot capital pilots in low-class space, ship, pod, and 'support fleet'. |
Kristalll
Valkyrie Professional Resources I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
8
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Posted - 2013.12.27 06:25:00 -
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I once saw a Chimera in a C2 Wolf Rayet....
I nearly cried for the caged beast. |
Klarion Sythis
End-of-Line
213
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Posted - 2013.12.27 15:55:00 -
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Kristalll wrote:I once saw a Chimera in a C2 Wolf Rayet....
I nearly cried for the caged beast. Why? The extra armor resists mean you can armor tank it and use the mids for ECM. Jam Chimmy OP. |
Tasiv Deka
End-of-Line
178
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Posted - 2013.12.27 17:59:00 -
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Klarion Sythis wrote:Kristalll wrote:I once saw a Chimera in a C2 Wolf Rayet....
I nearly cried for the caged beast. Why? The extra armor resists mean you can armor tank it and use the mids for ECM. Jam Chimmy OP.
Jamming Chimeras... Hit Triage and start spreading the pain... also pfft you dont have to worry about getting counter jammed.
I actually like this idea a little more than is healthy... Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts...-á
The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth. |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
486
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Posted - 2013.12.27 19:35:00 -
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Tasiv Deka wrote:Klarion Sythis wrote:Kristalll wrote:I once saw a Chimera in a C2 Wolf Rayet....
I nearly cried for the caged beast. Why? The extra armor resists mean you can armor tank it and use the mids for ECM. Jam Chimmy OP. Jamming Chimeras... Hit Triage and start spreading the pain... also pfft you dont have to worry about getting counter jammed. I actually like this idea a little more than is healthy...
If you can somehow buff the capacitor upto the 5,000,000 odd cap activation cost ewar modules get in triage. I guess its the one thing the Phoenix is "useful" for. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
831
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Posted - 2013.12.29 10:36:00 -
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I'd argue that a carrier in a C3 is a statement of defence and ownership. You have the capital advantage, and are willing to invest to protect your hole. Using it to run sites would be risky, might as well paint a nice big bullseye on the side of it. Having two would probably make you less vulnerable, but complete overkill for the sites you'd find in a C3. Best kept for fighter assignment, and POS defence imo.
The only advantage of Dreads that i can see would be to use against anyone that manages to sneak a POS in. Big investment for something that may never happen.
Then there is the obligatory arguement about if captials make you more or less likely to be attacked. Because everyone wants a carrier kill. Everyone. Personally, i think the added hassle a carrier creates would make you less desirable to the random attacker. You'd still not be safe from people with a specific aim tho, such as people who want your hole, or any who's mum you've insulted. Post with your main, like a BOSS! |
Winthorp
Sky Fighters
541
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Posted - 2013.12.29 10:44:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote:I'd argue that a carrier in a C3 is a statement of defence and ownership. You have the capital advantage, and are willing to invest to protect your hole. Using it to run sites would be risky, might as well paint a nice big bullseye on the side of it. Having two would probably make you less vulnerable, but complete overkill for the sites you'd find in a C3. Best kept for fighter assignment, and POS defence imo. The only advantage of Dreads that i can see would be to use against anyone that manages to sneak a POS in. Big investment for something that may never happen. Then there is the obligatory arguement about if captials make you more or less likely to be attacked. Because everyone wants a carrier kill. Everyone. Personally, i think the added hassle a carrier creates would make you less desirable to the random attacker. You'd still not be safe from people with a specific aim tho, such as people who want your hole, or any who's mum you've insulted.
That cap ship is only of any use if you can bring a small fleet with it as support in a home defense fleet.
Since your corp is set red to me and note is set as logoffski's then i think you must have yours for the wrong reason. |
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Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
832
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Posted - 2013.12.29 13:43:00 -
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Winthorp wrote:
That cap ship is only of any use if you can bring a small fleet with it as support in a home defense fleet.
Since your corp is set red to me and note is set as logoffski's then i think you must have yours for the wrong reason.
Ours was created for a very specific reason, which it has done so greatly!
Ooooh what did we do to get all red? We're all such nice people!
Post with your main, like a BOSS! |
Winthorp
Sky Fighters
541
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Posted - 2013.12.29 21:20:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote:Ooooh what did we do to get all red? We're all such nice people!
Logging off at the first sign of trouble. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
832
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Posted - 2013.12.30 01:59:00 -
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Winthorp wrote:Xen Solarus wrote:Ooooh what did we do to get all red? We're all such nice people! Logging off at the first sign of trouble.
Smack talking in local doesn't count as trouble, you realise? Post with your main, like a BOSS! |
Krops Vont
Crystal Transcencia
16
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Posted - 2013.12.30 02:09:00 -
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Other than pos defense, capitals in C4 and below provide nothing more than giant fluffy loving ships for your C5/C6 buddies! Just use the carrier for ratting and keep it at the pos shield edge. Dread for blapping poco's and dead sticks. (Any invasion force will kill it as soon as it shows itself) |
Cipio Hakoke
Tactical Manufacturing Group
36
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Posted - 2013.12.30 17:53:00 -
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Icarus Able wrote:Yes you should deffo do this. The main question is why not both? Just make sure you fit it properly your flying a 1 bill isk hull make sure you fit deadspace EANMS etc. This guy is correct. Make sure you fit it up nice and good, that way you can get the most out of your ship. |
Tasiv Deka
End-of-Line
182
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Posted - 2013.12.31 06:36:00 -
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Rroff wrote:Tasiv Deka wrote:Klarion Sythis wrote:Kristalll wrote:I once saw a Chimera in a C2 Wolf Rayet....
I nearly cried for the caged beast. Why? The extra armor resists mean you can armor tank it and use the mids for ECM. Jam Chimmy OP. Jamming Chimeras... Hit Triage and start spreading the pain... also pfft you dont have to worry about getting counter jammed. I actually like this idea a little more than is healthy... If you can somehow buff the capacitor upto the 5,000,000 odd cap activation cost ewar modules get in triage. I guess its the one thing the Phoenix is "useful" for.
Yea... i keep forgetting that and Pyfa doesnt like to factor that in... Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts...-á
The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth. |
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