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Khio Toran
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Posted - 2006.03.12 18:56:00 -
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Achura have the best attributes for fighters
Caldari ships are pure 'isk-makers'
With a Raven you can solo anything (with a good setup you can SOLO 10/10Complex)
In other words: if you can use a raven... you are rich.
Hey, they are great pvp ships too.
So: don't the other races need a little bit of love?
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Bazman
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Posted - 2006.03.12 19:00:00 -
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Gallente ships are cooler
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Hi TomB! All out Do or Die Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. |
Shibby DoWa
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Posted - 2006.03.12 19:02:00 -
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lmao try soloing the sansha 10/10 boss in a raven
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Cyrus Gideon
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Posted - 2006.03.12 19:17:00 -
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Na thanks, I rather stick with my Minmatar ships, even though the Caldari have their share of uber ships (Raven, Manticore etc).
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Liranis
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Posted - 2006.03.12 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Liranis on 12/03/2006 19:20:24
Edited by: Liranis on 12/03/2006 19:19:46
Edited by: Liranis on 12/03/2006 19:18:45
The only REAL reason why everybody goes Caldari is because it's the first Race when you make the choice.... the second ones are Gallente cause the chick on the pic is "sexy"(for whoever can find a pic "sexy":/).
And Achura are great for research and for polyvalents people, but the new amarr bloodline is better for pure fighters.
The amarr and Gallente ships are overall much better in pvp too.
There is a simple solution to the mass Caldari players :
- implement a random for the order of the race when you choose them, so the 80% of new players that pick the first one without any knowledge of the game won't be Caldaris only
- put more agents in Amarr/Minmatar rTgions
with that you won't have 40% Caldari, 30% Gallente, 20% Amarr and 10% Minmatar players repartition but something much more equilibrated.
Players who CHOOSE Caldaris because they wanted Missiles/Hybdrids or for RP reasons are fare away from the majority.
And, btw, you can fly ANY ships you want.
You can make an Amarr fly Caldari with nearly no lost of sp.
At the moment i'm flying nearly all the t1 ships for exemple(yes i KNOW that it's not the better way, that specializing is THE way of Eve, but i need to experimentate to know what i want to do, and even if i prefer Missiles and Long Range Rails, i do like Amarr(and want to be able to fly certains faction ships).
So stop whinning about Caldaris and Caldaris ships(i don't see much raven in Gatecamps, only Megathron and Apoc most of the time....), and train them if they are so Uber!:D
Edit>> oh and i want to see any BS(even a CNR full t2 and officer mods) soloing any 10/10 non Serpentis Complex.... :D:D
If somebody can do this, makle a Fraps of it, i WANT to see this impossible thing! :p
Edit3>> Sorry to have used my alt i always forgot the forum don't remember to use my main!:(:(
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.03.12 19:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Khio Toran
(with a good setup you can SOLO 10/10Complex)
AhaHhahA...
Good Luck.
- Gob
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.03.12 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Khio Toran
Caldari ships are pure 'isk-makers'
Net profit after ammos/missiles is about 50% of your gross profit. 
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Cmdr Patrick
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Posted - 2006.03.12 19:46:00 -
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maybe, MAYBE with a full giisti and foficer tank on the raven u could do the first few levels, but you won;t break any of the voerseers tanks or tank the harder levels.
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Khio Toran
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Posted - 2006.03.12 19:59:00 -
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Not maybe.
I wrote it 'cause i know a man who do it (but i admit: if i didn't see it with my eyes i didn't believe it)
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Khio Toran
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Posted - 2006.03.12 20:00:00 -
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Edited by: Khio Toran on 12/03/2006 20:01:04
Edited by: Khio Toran on 12/03/2006 20:00:14
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Khio Toran
Caldari ships are pure 'isk-makers'
Net profit after ammos/missiles is about 50% of your gross profit.
I've never meet a caldari ship user who is poor.......
More noob people then me are already more rich then me.
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2006.03.12 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Khio Toran
Achura have the best attributes for fighters
Caldari ships are pure 'isk-makers'
With a Raven you can solo anything (with a good setup you can SOLO 10/10Complex)
In other words: if you can use a raven... you are rich.
Hey, they are great pvp ships too.
So: don't the other races need a little bit of love?
You can't mine ark with a raven? true you dont need much money or skill to fly one since everything hits you dont need to worry about optimal or falloff, but they are seldom used in fleet battles because of their rubbish alpha strike value
Personally i dont think the other races need love, more that ceartain ships need tweeking.
The dominix is also an "I-win" ship at the moment simply because the heavy nos is difficult to counter and works at all ranges like missiles.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.03.12 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Khio Toran
I've never meet a caldari ship user who is poor.......
More noob people then me are already more rich then me.
You havent seen me begging. 
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Leandro Salazar
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Posted - 2006.03.12 20:13:00 -
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Another reason for too many Caldaris is the pretty spaceship officer uniform my own Avatar is wearing too. That was the one and only reason I picked a Caldari as starting character, none of the other races have anything similar.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.03.12 20:15:00 -
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Actually with stupidly high skills, and a very expensive ship its possible to almost solo a 8/10. You run out of ammo before you finish it though, or so I've been told.
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KillmAll187
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Posted - 2006.03.12 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Steele
Originally by: Khio Toran
Achura
The dominix is also an "I-win" ship at the moment simply because the heavy nos is difficult to counter and works at all ranges like missiles.
only if you mean 21km by all ranges
not like torps that actually do dmg at 0- bout 60k
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Mazad
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Posted - 2006.03.12 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Khio Toran
Achura have the best attributes for fighters
Caldari ships are pure 'isk-makers'
With a Raven you can solo anything (with a good setup you can SOLO 10/10Complex)
In other words: if you can use a raven... you are rich.
Hey, they are great pvp ships too.
So: don't the other races need a little bit of love?
What happened? Everyone knows Caldari are CCP's least favourite race. Every time TomB waves his nerf bat, some unlucky Caldari gets in the way...
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.03.12 21:02:00 -
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"I've never meet a caldari ship user who is poor......."
How many people did you actually ask about how much isk they have, and how do you know if they told you the truth, instead of making stuff up to impress you..?
To be honest this sounds like justification entirely made up basing on the very expectation it's supposed to prove ("I could never meet a poor Caldari ship user because they are all rich, hence they are all rich")
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Matt Emery
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Posted - 2006.03.12 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Khio Toran
Caldari ships are pure 'isk-makers'
if they were pure isk makers i woude have a ferox and my grandmar woude be ***,
i berly have enoth to keep my amo up.....
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Odda
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Posted - 2006.03.12 21:23:00 -
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So cant somwone nerf the damn raven? Not a ship in the game shuld be able to solo a 10/10 complex! you can with luck solo a 5/10 in a megatrhon.
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Odda
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Posted - 2006.03.12 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Odda
So cant somwone nerf the damn raven? Not a ship in the game shuld be able to solo a 10/10 complex! you can with luck solo a 5/10 in a megatrhon.
And a raven can do dmg from 200k to 0k with the same settup.
A domenix can only do dmg to max 30k range.
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Khio Toran
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Posted - 2006.03.12 21:30:00 -
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Edited by: Khio Toran on 12/03/2006 21:33:54
Originally by: Jim Steele
the heavy nos is difficult to counter and works at all ranges like missiles.
MAX 21km for heavy nos (26 for heavy nos II)
anyway... hey hey i'm not whining about caldari, seriously, just asked for your opinion, 'cause based on my experience they were so... uhm... better? 
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Cpt Placeholder
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Posted - 2006.03.12 21:32:00 -
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never been to a 10/10 but i heard the highest possible to solo is 6/10
this is just my scouting alt
my main is minmatar tho i fly mainly cal ships because of the missile boni |
Nafri
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Posted - 2006.03.12 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Originally by: Khio Toran
(with a good setup you can SOLO 10/10Complex)
AhaHhahA...
Good Luck.
your angel 10/10 of course not
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Tar Ecthelion
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Posted - 2006.03.12 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Another reason for too many Caldaris is the pretty spaceship officer uniform my own Avatar is wearing too. That was the one and only reason I picked a Caldari as starting character, none of the other races have anything similar.
Same here, picked Caldari cause I wanted to go a military type of character, and the uniform looked good. Had no idea about what ships they had or anything, but it was only a few months after EVE launch so dont think there was an "I-win" race back then. We were all just fumbling around aimlessley trying to gather enough isk to buy a cruiser.
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Krulla
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Posted - 2006.03.12 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Odda
So cant somwone nerf the damn raven? Not a ship in the game shuld be able to solo a 10/10 complex! you can with luck solo a 5/10 in a megatrhon.
Bull****.
I solo 6/10 complexes in my megathron.
Also, soling a 10/10 in ANY BS is utterly impossible.
Respect the Domi. Or else.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.03.12 21:35:00 -
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"And a raven can do dmg from 200k to 0k with the same settup.
A domenix can only do dmg to max 30k range."
Yes, if the target sits there patiently then eventually missiles can make it to them across 200 km, and hit them.
In similar way, if the target sits just as patiently the Dominix can fly necessary 170 km and shoot them in the face... and it will be with the same setup, h4x :o!
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Mike Yagon
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Posted - 2006.03.12 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Mazad
What happened? Everyone knows Caldari are CCP's least favourite race. Every time TomB waves his nerf bat, some unlucky Caldari gets in the way...
That's because there are so many Caldari it's hard not to hit one when he waves that bat around. 
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Espen
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Posted - 2006.03.12 22:00:00 -
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You nubbers, I solo 10/10 in my rax.
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Jeanpierre Duvall
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Posted - 2006.03.12 22:56:00 -
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Well. I must say that I'm one of those UBER rich Caldari. My wallet just hit 300 million which I think is the topscore in the game so far. I can mainly thank this impressive wallet to the fact that I just collected the insurance from my Oh so Uber Raven that was killed by a oh so inferior Ishtar. / Sarcasm off. (Was a fun fight tho Andromedda)
A Raven is a good ship for PvE yes. But it's only decent for PvP. And seriously have you fought a Domi in a raven, 1v1 and killed the domi? Cause the raven will have to stay outside the nos range (Nosrange > Warpdisruptorrange) of the Domi and the domi is faster. There are setups that is very good against Domis but then they aren't that good against others.
And Also. Khanid have the best stats for fighters.
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smallgreenblur
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Posted - 2006.03.12 23:33:00 -
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I agree that Ravens are pretty good. Still kill a lot of them tho. Phoon could use a bit of lovin, and maybe the mega, apart from that things look pretty good to me.
Starting attributes make no difference at all since a good fighter needs all 4 main ones, with a bit of charisma thrown in.
sgb
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