I think that there needs to be a game mechanism shift, not so much in suicide ganking, but the ability to retaliate against them.

So far two posts that missed the point. I want an opportunity to hunt suicide gankers and their benefactors. I am bored with mining anyway and am glad that some risk has been added to hisec mining. I just believe that characters used to suicide gank are not equal targets. They are the henchmen of an alternate character that have no risk to themselves. Lets have risk for all involved, with no character spared.

As often happens in this game, you are looking at things through too narrow a focus.

If you believe that you can sit out in the asteroid belt in your efficient rock-melting machine, ignoring everyone else until someone "messes with the wrong guy!" and ganks you and THEN go all Liam Neesom on them, you will continue to be as disappointed as you are impotent (in the general meaning of the word.)

Ganks can be avoided. Ganks can be disrupted. Ganks can be discouraged. But ganks cannot, in most cases, be avenged on the ganker himself.

The reason for this is in both the nature and the detail of the event. The actual arrival of the ganker on top of you has been preceeded by a long chain of events, each of which has to be performed fairly competently, and then the gank itself has to be carried out in an extremely tight time window before the 100% certainty of the arrival of CONCORD brings things to a close.

Avoid the gank by not being there when it arrives (watch local for one thing). Disrupt the gank by mining with a Griffin pilot on grid. Discourage the gank by putting some tank in those lows. But don't expect you can ignore this good advice and then start yelling "I pity the fool!" in local as you pod away from your asploded wreck.

Not everything in Eve can be settled by throwing down the gloves. Miners win when they get their ore safely to station. (Obligatory advice to buy a permit and follow the Code).

I can assure you that the gankers are not afraid of the miners coming after them. In fact, they welcome it.

So far two posts that missed the point. I want an opportunity to hunt suicide gankers and their benefactors. I am bored with mining anyway and am glad that some risk has been added to hisec mining. I just believe that characters used to suicide gank are not equal targets. They are the henchmen of an alternate character that have no risk to themselves. Lets have risk for all involved, with no character spared.

Mate, you cant tell anything about a persons stance on ganking from their SEC status. My -8 comes from pvp in lowsec, not from killing miners. (I have on occasion, to pass the time, but only a few.)

Many true gankers rep their SEC status often as to be able to gatecamp or such in hisec.

The characters that I have been seeing have had -10 sec status pretty much constant around my staging area. Been wondering how they even get through gate/station guns.

The characters that I have been seeing have had -10 sec status pretty much constant around my staging area. Been wondering how they even get through gate/station guns.

The only thing you can do is interdict the gank itself. Kind of a pointless pursuit, although perhaps fun. I would suggest an arty nado or cane and just camp -10 characters in station. I don't expect it to be effective if they're competent however.

So far two posts that missed the point. I want an opportunity to hunt suicide gankers and their benefactors. I am bored with mining anyway and am glad that some risk has been added to hisec mining. I just believe that characters used to suicide gank are not equal targets. They are the henchmen of an alternate character that have no risk to themselves. Lets have risk for all involved, with no character spared.

Any ganker worth his salt will have an instaundock at almost every station in the sector. You wont be camping them with much effectiveness.

So far two posts that missed the point. I want an opportunity to hunt suicide gankers and their benefactors. I am bored with mining anyway and am glad that some risk has been added to hisec mining. I just believe that characters used to suicide gank are not equal targets. They are the henchmen of an alternate character that have no risk to themselves. Lets have risk for all involved, with no character spared.

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TL;DR

I think that there needs to be a game mechanism shift, not so much in suicide ganking, but the ability to retaliate against them.

summon concord in advance to your asteroid belt or mission area or whatever by your alts shooting up each other in noob ships/rifters.

concord will hover in your belt for what, an hour? giving you free security.

technically illigal? yes. Do i care if you do it, if it frustrates gankers? no. In fact, tears from gankers for a change, crying how carebears exploiting concord to protect themselves, boo hoo, wouyd be sweet to hear.

summon concord in advance to your asteroid belt or mission area or whatever by your alts shooting up each other in noob ships/rifters.

Hilariously, pulling CONCORD to your own belt in such a fashion is considered an exploit and is a bannable offence.

CCP's reasoning is that CONCORD exist to offer retribution for unprovoked aggression, not as a personal protection fleet.

Hilariously, pulling CONCORD to your own belt in such a fashion is considered an exploit and is a bannable offence.

CCP's reasoning is that CONCORD exist to offer retribution for unprovoked aggression, not as a personal protection fleet.

Listen, it's hard enough for new guys to catch up on everything without some dickhead making **** up and giving them the wrong idea. When discussing the mechanics of the game, please only state actual facts as facts.

What the **** are you on? It's not an exploit. It's perfectly legal. Stop spreading bullshit, sucker!

You're saying the RL equivalent of "I parked my new car in the ghetto and took a nap since it seemed like a great place with the low lighting and all. Of course I left the doors unlocked, keys in the ignition and put my wallet with money sticking out on the dash. The next thing I knew is someone robbed me at gunpoint, taking my money and car! I really think there needs to be a better way to stop these nasty criminals that took advantage of poor helpless me me at no risk to themselves. Please make it where I can get back at the mean people that hurt me"

I really like this comparison. If I may add, there are also many "innocent" by-standers who were awoken by the screams in local. They too have new cars in that lot and are all now watching as you get robbed. You continue your calls for help, but these "innocents" look away - not wanting to get involved or draw attention to themselves.

They are like live stock, each knowing that one day it will be their turn to visit the slaughter house, but until then, they graze peacefully on the green fields.

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I gank with my main, you can come after me anytime.

I have recently come back to the game to find that hisec space is being regulated by suicide gankers. I know suicide ganking is part of the game, but I do have an issue with the way this is implemented.

The issue I have is that career suicide gankers (those with terrible standings) have so little to lose when ganking a ship in hisec. They obviously do not care about standings and only fly ships they do not miss. However, they are able to dispatch ships 10 times their value before getting a slap on the hand from concord. Finding them and retaliating outs them a couple mil, but you are only going to catch them when they are en route to a gank as these characters are used for nothing else. Wardecs are impossible due to these people existing in NPC corps or single man corps. Kill Rights are useless because of the value of ships these alts usually employ.

I do admit that I have spent a fair share of my time a couple years ago being a hisec carebear, but please do not mistake this for carebear tears. I just want a similar opportunity to return the favor as I am developing an interest in pvp, and who better to kill than those who have killed you .

I do not know what the fix would be, as I do think that being an outlaw should be a viable play style. Maybe a witness list in killmail, people on grid that were in sensor range during the crime, so that I could place bounties on their "scouts". Or if there was someway to link the scout with the crime (this probably cannot be done without creating big issues). Kill Rights that continued until you have "killed back" the cost of your ship at market.

If you have read, thanks for your time, and fly safe. Or not, I don't really care. Have fun.

TL;DR

I think that there needs to be a game mechanism shift, not so much in suicide ganking, but the ability to retaliate against them.

If anyone came after you, you would die. You are like 60% of the other career suicide gankers. The only reason you gank is because you are absolutely fail at everything else that you do. The only reason you gank is because it makes you feel good, and its about all you can do. Have fun with your uber awesome eve successes.....

So far two posts that missed the point. I want an opportunity to hunt suicide gankers and their benefactors. I am bored with mining anyway and am glad that some risk has been added to hisec mining. I just believe that characters used to suicide gank are not equal targets. They are the henchmen of an alternate character that have no risk to themselves. Lets have risk for all involved, with no character spared.

If anyone came after you, you would die. You are like 60% of the other career suicide gankers. The only reason you gank is because you are absolutely fail at everything else that you do. The only reason you gank is because it makes you feel good, and its about all you can do. Have fun with your uber awesome eve successes.....

If anyone came after you, you would die. You are like 60% of the other career suicide gankers. The only reason you gank is because you are absolutely fail at everything else that you do. The only reason you gank is because it makes you feel good, and its about all you can do. Have fun with your uber awesome eve successes.....

OP mentioned going after the gankers benefactors.. I've been a deep cover spy in the New Order for 9 months, you know learning their schedules and such. Just recently I've found their secret donor list. These guys give the order billions in isk to purchase gank catalysts. Its really sickening. If you interrupt the flow of isk, the ganking will stop, or at least decline greatly. Any way, here is the donor list:

http://www.minerbumping.com/p/shareholders.html

I recommend wardecing their corps. Starting with mynnna's alliance and of course Chribba.

You spent 9 months infiltrating the New Order and you just recently found their public list of share holders? The same list that is prominently featured on every page of minerbumping.com I'm not sure what to say to about that...

The resistance is **** poor it would seem.

There really isn't a resistance, if you consider what they do. Which is mostly tagging Concord KM's of gankers when the ganker dies to Concord. They don't actually prevent anything. And if by chance they add more work for the gankers, the resistance proclaims victory as they pat themselves on the back.. as the next Barge/Exhumer/mission runner dies. Got to give them props for trying though.

I do ocassionally gank pods of gankers but this has nothing to do with "resistance". I just love making pods go boom

There really isn't a resistance, if you consider what they do. Which is mostly tagging Concord KM's of gankers when the ganker dies to Concord. They don't actually prevent anything. And if by chance they add more work for the gankers, the resistance proclaims victory as they pat themselves on the back.. as the next Barge/Exhumer/mission runner dies. Got to give them props for trying though.

The best 'resistance' is flying tanked procurers and skiffs. I've been ganking in the same system for a few months, linking gevlon goblin's tanking guide and while my sole presence did not strike enough fear (and gank) into the locals, the added pressure of the New Order seems to have done the trick: the vast majority of groups now mine in packs of procurers and skiffs. It's the ignorant solo miner who still flies a hulk, covetor or untanked mack/ret.

Simply not being an easy target goes an incredibly long way, even the New Order hardly touches procurers/skiffs, too much effort and using 10 cata's on a single proc is not very cost effective too.

If anyone came after you, you would die

This is the problem with high sec "pirates", they operate with zero risk and their costs are virtually nothing. It is a double standard to the "harsh environment" so many morons claim high sec miners and mission runners should have to operate in. There are no real consequences for being a d-bag in this game, only for playing a game infested with them.

This is the problem with high sec "pirates", they operate with zero risk and their costs are virtually nothing. It is a double standard to the "harsh environment" so many morons claim high sec miners and mission runners should have to operate in. There are no real consequences for being a d-bag in this game, only for playing a game infested with them.

The last guy that came after me lost a ship. The thing that makes it really funny is I was AFK.

This is the problem with high sec "pirates", they operate with zero risk and their costs are virtually nothing. It is a double standard to the "harsh environment" so many morons claim high sec miners and mission runners should have to operate in. There are no real consequences for being a d-bag in this game, only for playing a game infested with them.

Could you share that story with us? I'm betting it's hilarious :D

The best 'resistance' is flying tanked procurers and skiffs. I've been ganking in the same system for a few months, linking gevlon goblin's tanking guide and while my sole presence did not strike enough fear (and gank) into the locals, the added pressure of the New Order seems to have done the trick: the vast majority of groups now mine in packs of procurers and skiffs. It's the ignorant solo miner who still flies a hulk, covetor or untanked mack/ret.

Simply not being an easy target goes an incredibly long way, even the New Order hardly touches procurers/skiffs, too much effort and using 10 cata's on a single proc is not very cost effective too.

Loved reading this thread so much I told my corp to take a break from real pvp and go out and gank orca's for fun!

Got two back to back!
https://zkillboard.com/detail/35737755/
https://zkillboard.com/detail/35738467/

I was only there for the third one =(
https://zkillboard.com/detail/35740568/

Sec status? Who needs that anyway? You still can gank in high sec with a -10 sec status.

ISK? Catalysts that cost 2mil ISK? And you talk about risk?

Getting killed in PvP combat? lol... the target is dead in less than 10 seconds. There's literally no time to react or to kill a ganking catalyst.

high sec ganking has less risk than high sec carebear'ing

less risk

maybe not less skill, but less risk.

Sec status? Who needs that anyway? You still can gank in high sec with a -10 sec status.
ISK? Catalysts that cost 2mil ISK? And you talk about risk?

Getting killed in PvP combat? lol... the target is dead in less than 10 seconds. There's literally no time to react or to kill a ganking catalyst.



high sec "PvP" is the stupidest excuse for PvP that I've ever seen in a game.

there needs to be a change.

Remove local
Remove cloaking devices
Remove Concord
Remove Bubble immunity.

high sec ganking has less risk than high sec carebear'ing

less risk

maybe not less skill, but less risk.

Sec status? Who needs that anyway? You still can gank in high sec with a -10 sec status.
ISK? Catalysts that cost 2mil ISK? And you talk about risk?

Getting killed in PvP combat? lol... the target is dead in less than 10 seconds. There's literally no time to react or to kill a ganking catalyst.



high sec "PvP" is the stupidest excuse for PvP that I've ever seen in a game.