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Tryaz
Improvised Tactics
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Posted - 2013.12.27 15:44:00 -
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I'm just doing the SOE epic arc for the first time ever lol and love that the final rat of the arc is now flying a Gnosis, presumably a new change. It occurs to me that it would be a cool idea to have the rat drop a 1 run BPC for a Gnosis as a reward. it would be a pretty perfect time to give new players the option of flying a Gnosis
Thoughts? Narrator of Chronicles of New Eden, the EVE audiobook series. Listen at www.soundcloud.com/chroniclesofneweden |
Verity Sovereign
Sovereign Fleet Tax Shelter
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Posted - 2013.12.27 16:25:00 -
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Actually, the final rat has always been flying that.
The model was there first, and then used for the Gnosis.
I do agree that in principle, there should be some way to replenish the supply of Gnosii (maybe yearly gifts?).
I'm not sure if the reward is appropriate for a lvl 1 epic arc though |
Tryaz
Improvised Tactics
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Posted - 2013.12.27 16:27:00 -
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Verity Sovereign wrote:Actually, the final rat has always been flying that.
The model was there first, and then used for the Gnosis.
I do agree that in principle, there should be some way to replenish the supply of Gnosii (maybe yearly gifts?).
I'm not sure if the reward is appropriate for a lvl 1 epic arc though
I would argue that it is an appropriate reward, the gnosis is really only useful for newer players and niche PvP. As soon as you have any racial BC skills you're almost always better off in a standard t1 BC
Narrator of Chronicles of New Eden, the EVE audiobook series. Listen at www.soundcloud.com/chroniclesofneweden |
Seranova Farreach
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Posted - 2013.12.27 16:40:00 -
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Verity Sovereign wrote:Actually, the final rat has always been flying that.
The model was there first, and then used for the Gnosis.
I do agree that in principle, there should be some way to replenish the supply of Gnosii (maybe yearly gifts?).
I'm not sure if the reward is appropriate for a lvl 1 epic arc though
confermed gnosis was final ship on the arc back in 2008.
also arcs are only repeatable once every 3 months arnt they? seems fair. _______________________ http://i.imgur.com/d9Ee2ik.jpg
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Motorbit
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.12.27 17:32:00 -
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that would be 4 gnosis per character per year, with little efford. i think, the arc pays well enough as it is, and the gnosis is cheap enough as it is.
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Daenika
MMO-Mechanics.com
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Posted - 2013.12.27 18:43:00 -
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Motorbit wrote:that would be 4 gnosis per character per year, with little efford. i think, the arc pays well enough as it is, and the gnosis is cheap enough as it is.
So don't make it a guaranteed drop, problem solved.
Hell, why not just make it like a ~10% drop for a 5 run BPC. That gives you an expected outcome of 2 per character per year, which isn't much of an influx into the system (since it's highly unlikely that even close to half of the characters in EVE would run that arc every 3 months). Would at least give some influx of the hull. Right now, with a limited and systematically declining number in existence and no source for them, they will eventually fall into the same category as Harvester Drones. A neat collectable item, but completely impractical to ever actually fly.
Frankly, the Gnosis is too useful of a ship for newer players to experience BC-level warfare (particularly now that they've split the BC skill) to let die in obscurity like that. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.12.27 19:04:00 -
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But Gnosis is a SOCT ship, not SOE one. |
Jane Shapperd
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.27 19:27:00 -
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No , Gnosis should be a rare ship .
some people bought the collector's edition , just to be able to build the Gnosis when they become rare . and then sell it for high prices .
After all it's a special edition ship . Players should not be able to build it so easily . |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
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Posted - 2013.12.27 23:32:00 -
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Jane Shapperd wrote:No , Gnosis should be a rare ship .
some people bought the collector's edition , just to be able to build the Gnosis when they become rare . and then sell it for high prices .
After all it's a special edition ship . Players should not be able to build it so easily .
And that, Ladies and Gentlemen is why people today are catching, killing and canning tuna so that they can sell the frozen meat for more when they finally become extinct.
In other words the OP would rather hang on to limited supply of increasingly rare ships in order to make a quick buck at some unknown time in the future when there's only 2 Gnosis left and they are on the market for 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 isk each.
Let the noobs have them, it would be an excellent reward for completing the SOE arc and a fine introduction to Eve for newer chracters given that the Gnosis is a versatile ship with low skill requirements that can fit and optimise for any racial weapon system, not to mention exploration. As others have said before me it's perfect for this and CCP should adopt this suggestion immediately. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
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Posted - 2013.12.28 00:01:00 -
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The Gnosis has nothing to do with the Sisters. It's a Society of Conscious Thought ship, like the apotheosis and the unpublished SoCT frigate.
If anything, they'd have to open up the SoCT LP store to get more of the ship out. "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2013.12.28 00:02:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:But Gnosis is a SOCT ship, not SOE one. Which is why it would be a loot drop from Dagan's ship. Not a reward from SOE. |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Umbrarum Paradisi
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Posted - 2013.12.28 01:29:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:But Gnosis is a SOCT ship, not SOE one. Which is why it would be a loot drop from Dagan's ship. Not a reward from SOE. But why would a ship be carrying a blueprint of itself into a fight? And if it dropped that, it's a free battlecruiser- the BP has no mat requirements. "A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams....is built in heaven."
-Jovian Proverb-á |
Tryaz
Improvised Tactics
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Posted - 2013.12.28 03:28:00 -
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I am fond of the lore of this game and therefore keen not to suggest anything that breaches it. What if you were encouraged by Sister Allitura to use an analyzer module on the wreck and thereby obtain the BPC? Surely the SoE would have a vested interest in obtaining information on SoCT ship capabilities? (especially as Dagan's Gnosis has such powerful shield regen for a L1 rat). Thoughts?
"Keep the Gnosis rare" is a ridiculous argument and runs totally counter to the spirit of the hull and the spirit in which I made this suggestion. Anyone who harbours that opinion, thank you for the free bumps to this thread because you are absurd. Narrator of Chronicles of New Eden, the EVE audiobook series. Listen at www.soundcloud.com/chroniclesofneweden |
Dehval
Risk Breakers Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2013.12.28 06:14:00 -
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:But Gnosis is a SOCT ship, not SOE one. Which is why it would be a loot drop from Dagan's ship. Not a reward from SOE. But why would a ship be carrying a blueprint of itself into a fight? And if it dropped that, it's a free battlecruiser- the BP has no mat requirements. Why do Overseers drop blueprints of their ships?
Although the BP having no mat requirements would be a problem.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2013.12.28 09:19:00 -
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Tryaz wrote: I am fond of the lore of this game and therefore keen not to suggest anything that breaches it. What if you were encouraged by Sister Allitura to use an analyzer module on the wreck and thereby obtain the BPC? Surely the SoE would have a vested interest in obtaining information on SoCT ship capabilities? (especially as Dagan's Gnosis has such powerful shield regen for a L1 rat). Thoughts?
"Keep the Gnosis rare" is a ridiculous argument and runs totally counter to the spirit of the hull and the spirit in which I made this suggestion. Anyone who harbours that opinion, thank you for the free bumps to this thread because you are absurd. This is a great idea for all potential ship BPC sources. Not just the Gnosis, but carry this onto every pirate ship BPC. Analyse the hull instead of salvaging it and chance of a BPC. Which matters more to you, salvage or potential BPC..... |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2013.12.28 10:18:00 -
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Isn't the Gnosis a ship of the Society of Conscious Thought? If at all, the ship should be given out by them. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
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Posted - 2013.12.28 10:22:00 -
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CCP gave out the Apotheosis on the 5th Anniversary. Is there some way of resupplying those? No.
CCP gave out the Gnosis on the 10th Anniversary. They're not just some random silly ship that was added for the lulz, they're to commemorate the 10th Anniversary of EVE Online.
Don't you dare try to cheapen the significance of that.
-10 to the idea of "resupplying the quantity of Gnosii". Before you attempt it, let me just dispel your notions that I intend to profit from the price going up; I rarely undock mine at all and the BPC is archived safely inside an Audit Log can in the station I use as a vault for all my collectibles and rare things. |
Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals Market and Contract PVP
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Posted - 2013.12.28 13:20:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:CCP gave out the Apotheosis on the 5th Anniversary. Is there some way of resupplying those? No.
CCP gave out the Gnosis on the 10th Anniversary. They're not just some random silly ship that was added for the lulz, they're to commemorate the 10th Anniversary of EVE Online.
Don't you dare try to cheapen the significance of that.
-10 to the idea of "resupplying the quantity of Gnosii". Before you attempt it, let me just dispel your notions that I intend to profit from the price going up; I rarely undock mine at all and the BPC is archived safely inside an Audit Log can in the station I use as a vault for all my collectibles and rare things.
I'll be harvesting your tears when CCP gives out more Gnosis/BP's the next years. They didnt try to make them rare or hard to get, they just gave them away. See the Genolution implants. And lol @ thinking something that every active subscriber + everyone that bought the CE (times 5) has gotten will ever significantly raise in price to make it worth investing in.
That said I'm all for making all non-AT ships available through Epic Arcs, 1% drops from faction/officer spawns, etc. This incluses the Opux, Tribal, Ishukone scorp and whatnot rare ships that have gone into extinction because CCP likes to generate rare limited content for no reason. I am the Zodiac, I am the stars, You are the sorceress, my priestess of Mars, Queen of the night, swathed in satin black, Your ivory flesh upon my torture rack. |
Tabris Katz
The Ecstatic Cult of Dionysus Trifectas Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.12.28 14:09:00 -
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Ok I don't think the Gnosis should be a reward for completing the Sisters story arc on the account that is not a SOE ship. However, I'm not apposed to adding something as a reward to the end of that arc besides the ISK and faction standing. I'm thinking an asteros or an asteros 1 run bpc. All the other epic story arcs give something tangable out so why not this one? Lets just keep to Sisters tech. |
Tryaz
Improvised Tactics
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Posted - 2013.12.28 14:12:00 -
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Tabris Katz wrote:Ok I don't think the Gnosis should be a reward for completing the Sisters story arc on the account that is not a SOE ship. However, I'm not apposed to adding something as a reward to the end of that arc besides the ISK and faction standing. I'm thinking an asteros or an asteros 1 run bpc. All the other epic story arcs give something tangable out so why not this one? Lets just keep to Sisters tech. Yes but Tabris the Gnosis is flown by the final rat, why couldn't he drop or make available the BPC somehow? My problem with the arc is not one of reward, I think it would be entirely inappropriate to give out an Astero. I was suggesting the Gnosis as a reward because it would be, in my opinion, the perfect time to furnish a new player with that ship.
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Tabris Katz
The Ecstatic Cult of Dionysus Trifectas Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.12.28 14:28:00 -
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Tryaz wrote:Tabris Katz wrote:Ok I don't think the Gnosis should be a reward for completing the Sisters story arc on the account that is not a SOE ship. However, I'm not apposed to adding something as a reward to the end of that arc besides the ISK and faction standing. I'm thinking an asteros or an asteros 1 run bpc. All the other epic story arcs give something tangable out so why not this one? Lets just keep to Sisters tech. Yes but Tabris the Gnosis is flown by the final rat, why couldn't he drop or make available the BPC somehow? My problem with the arc is not one of reward, I think it would be entirely inappropriate to give out an Astero. I was suggesting the Gnosis as a reward because it would be, in my opinion, the perfect time to furnish a new player with that ship.
In Blood Raider missions, I kill rats flying bhaalgorns models all the time but they never drop bhaalgorn bpcs. It's not till I go out to null sec and complete a high end DED site or unrated exploration site do I even get a remote chance of this faction bs droping as a bpc.
My point is that ships like the Gnosis or other pirate faction ships (excluding SOE) ships are only handed out for special events and the SOE epic arc just isn't rare or special enough to warrent such a drop, like missions. If CCP decideds to award more Gnosis for New Years or some other celebration that would appropriate.
Know I have always thought you should get some SOE LP for doing the SOE epic arc but since they introduced SOE ships it seems more appropriate for one of those to be a reward. In reality the only reason ships like the astero cost so much is because so few people are willing to grind the lp to buy the ship or bpc. By making an astero the reward would provide new players with a strong ship that would not cheapen the meaning of limited ships like the Gnosis. |
Tryaz
Improvised Tactics
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Posted - 2013.12.28 15:05:00 -
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Tabris Katz wrote:By making an astero the reward would provide new players with a strong ship that would not cheapen the meaning of limited ships like the Gnosis. You see that's where we differ completely. For me you cheapen the Gnosis by consigning it to history as a limited edition. Its value is in its use. NB, there were at least a dozen other rewards associated with the 10th anniversary. I find your and others focus on the Gnosis as a big shiny to be immature.
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Silivar Karkun
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.28 15:19:00 -
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im up for anything that means i can get an special edition ship without having to spend large quantities of isk, if we cannot get the gnosis BPC via killing Dagan, at least we could get it from other means, like ghost sites or i dont know, adding them to the loot tables of data/relic sites...
i'd like to see the Echelon, the Primae and the Zephyr avaliable too..... |
Eko'mo
Eko Research Institute
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Posted - 2013.12.28 20:46:00 -
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What about a drop of the Gnosis hull with different stats, slightly reduced, re-skin it slightly to signify its a pirate captured one or something.
Current Gnosis stay rare.
New ones for newbs. http://ekolikecrayons.wordpress.com/about/ |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2013.12.28 23:34:00 -
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The Gnosis is not currently rare. There are about 600,000 in existence. It also is NOT a pirate ship. It is a zero skill newbie BC with fixed stats that do not benefit from BC skills & once you have skills is worse than the actual BC's. I.E. It already is a weaker ship, ideally suited for newbies getting out into the big wide world, and avoids the terrible 'grind to afford a cruiser' they have to go through, which is not a great New Player Experience. Sure we can argue we all went through it, but the oldest of us went through it when a cruiser was a great achievement. Now days most of us regard a T1 cruiser as pocket money, not even expensive enough to count as chump change. |
Tabris Katz
The Ecstatic Cult of Dionysus Trifectas Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.12.29 09:14:00 -
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Tryaz wrote:Tabris Katz wrote:By making an astero the reward would provide new players with a strong ship that would not cheapen the meaning of limited ships like the Gnosis. You see that's where we differ completely. For me you cheapen the Gnosis by consigning it to history as a limited edition. Its value is in its use. NB, there were at least a dozen other rewards associated with the 10th anniversary. I find your and others focus on the Gnosis as a big shiny to be immature.
Let me be frank, this opinion of mine has nothing to do with expected appreciation of value for the Gnosis. I full expect to see more of these ships given out by CCP in the future. When I say "cheapen" I'm refering to the gesture of giving, not monitary value.
My reason for suggestion an astero as a reward for completing the arc is because I feel it is a much more effective ship. As it stands I feel the Gnosis is flying slab of fool's gold. It looks shinny because it's rare but in the end it lacks focus and there for can be easily out preformed by more focused ships. If a ship is to be given out for/during the SOE epic arc then make it something that is actually useful. |
Tryaz
Improvised Tactics
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Posted - 2013.12.29 14:25:00 -
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Tabris Katz wrote:Tryaz wrote:Tabris Katz wrote:By making an astero the reward would provide new players with a strong ship that would not cheapen the meaning of limited ships like the Gnosis. You see that's where we differ completely. For me you cheapen the Gnosis by consigning it to history as a limited edition. Its value is in its use. NB, there were at least a dozen other rewards associated with the 10th anniversary. I find your and others focus on the Gnosis as a big shiny to be immature. Let me be frank, this opinion of mine has nothing to do with expected appreciation of value for the Gnosis. I full expect to see more of these ships given out by CCP in the future. When I say "cheapen" I'm refering to the gesture of giving, not monitary value. My reason for suggestion an astero as a reward for completing the arc is because I feel it is a much more effective ship. As it stands I feel the Gnosis is flying slab of fool's gold. It looks shinny because it's rare but in the end it lacks focus and there for can be easily out preformed by more focused ships. If a ship is to be given out for/during the SOE epic arc then make it something that is actually useful. You're wilfully ignoring the primary strength of the Gnosis which is that it has VERY low skill requirements and is enormously flexible: two attributes which could be extremely valuable to new players. The Astero is an entirely different ship and I'd rather not even consider it as it has NOTHING to do with my original suggestion Narrator of Chronicles of New Eden, the EVE audiobook series. Listen at www.soundcloud.com/chroniclesofneweden |
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
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Posted - 2013.12.29 17:27:00 -
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On which ship to give at the end of the SOE epic arc:- HAS to be gnosis - it's designed to help you access different playstyles, it's a crutch for a newb CANNOT be an ship that has 'per level' skill bonuses (such as SOE cruiser)
On how many:- not too many - a single character should acquire maybe 1 every 2 years not too often - if you get one - you shouldn't get one for AT LEAST another year, preferably 2
How and where:- chance CP in can drop from dagan upon destruction? chance BP upon analyzing the wreck rather than salvaging? chance BP in the loot of the wreck? BP or ship from sister alitura herself? - NO of these I prefer the first 2, and FFS it's a SOCT ship - the SOE agent cannot give it out!
anything I forgot to cover
oh yes - 'rare ship' bet you CCP offers more of these later and people who bought collector's edition 'shiny ship' maybe make the gnosis BP you discover have a different skin so people keep their shiney's - call it a different thing, but to all intents and purposes - they're still gnosi |
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