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Messoroz
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
471
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Posted - 2013.12.28 06:12:00 -
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05:24:52 Combat -11136 from WTFBBQ PWN[-REP](Thanatos) - Wasp II - Glances Off
Turns out if you glitch your drones right, you do negative damage, if you do negative damage, the target instapops like a dread.
GG CCP. Failing to do overflow checks on calculations just like the old magnetar exploit.
http://pastebin.com/wGu3Kas5 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21117441 |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
439
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Posted - 2013.12.28 06:16:00 -
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YEAH MESS, DEFEND OUR EHONOURE!!!!!
CCP, i seed it with my own two eyes!! the wasps had the red murder eye! Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour.
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Jess Tanner
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
75
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Posted - 2013.12.28 06:17:00 -
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Ayeson wrote:YEAH MESS, DEFEND OUR EHONOURE!!!!!
+1 for Mess defending our EHONOURE!! Go with Bob, keep Him always in your heart. He is your Sword, Shield, and the Knife in your back. |
Daniel zorg
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
2
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Posted - 2013.12.28 06:18:00 -
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Posting in a Mess thread? |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2797
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Posted - 2013.12.28 06:24:00 -
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You boys better clean up your mess. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Jak'at
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
44
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Posted - 2013.12.28 06:25:00 -
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Dude, where's my dread?
Where's your dread, dude?
Dude... where's my dread?
Where's your dread, dude..
Dude... where's my dread..
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7652
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Posted - 2013.12.28 06:38:00 -
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Not the first time I've seen this either. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7652
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Posted - 2013.12.28 06:40:00 -
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Although, seriously, don't call it an exploit. It's not an exploit unless they're doing it intentionally, which I seriously doubt. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9584
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Posted - 2013.12.28 06:41:00 -
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Didn't they fix this some time ago? Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7652
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Posted - 2013.12.28 06:42:00 -
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ACTUALLY:
The one thing in common with this and the other incident is that both victims were refitting at the time. It's possible that the drone hit you at the exact moment that the server recalculated your ship's resistances, etc. and as a result it did way more damage than it was supposed to. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2995
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Posted - 2013.12.28 06:44:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:Turns out if you glitch your drones right, How do you glitch drones? Are they using a mod?
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
8442
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Posted - 2013.12.28 06:51:00 -
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Everyone worse than you is a noob or a pleb, everyone better than you uses hacks and cheats like a mother ******.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
473
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Posted - 2013.12.28 06:52:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:ACTUALLY:
The one thing in common with this and the other incident is that both victims were refitting at the time. It's possible that the drone hit you at the exact moment that the server recalculated your ship's resistances, etc. and as a result it did way more damage than it was supposed to.
There was no way the dread could refit. It was hostile and neutral to every carrier on field. In fact it was in the process of murdering said carriers.
Also if you noticed, it was a WASP that did 20k damage. A single wasp can never ever do 20k damage, regardless if the ship has 0% resistances or not. |
Luxotor
Interwebs Cooter Explosion
31
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Posted - 2013.12.28 06:53:00 -
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Uh oh :( THE NIGHT IS DARK AND FULL OF TERRORS! |
Vito Tattaglia
Shinigami Miners WHY so DERP'D
214
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Posted - 2013.12.28 06:57:00 -
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Sorry guys, the logs show nothing! |
Troll Bridgington
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
55
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Posted - 2013.12.28 06:59:00 -
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I love CCP. |
Akeenah
Imperial Praxeum
2
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Posted - 2013.12.28 07:07:00 -
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odds are he hit you with them first then switched to fighters. ive seen my points do damage before like that on KMs. Like capsules doing damage too.
take the tinfoil hats off. you got owned by carriers |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
473
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Posted - 2013.12.28 07:12:00 -
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Akeenah wrote:odds are he hit you with them first then switched to fighters. ive seen my points do damage before like that on KMs. Like capsules doing damage too.
take the tinfoil hats off. you got owned by carriers
Dear person who doesn't read.
The logs show the actual drone inflicting damage is Wasps NOT FIGHTERS. The killmail was only linked for reference.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7677
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Posted - 2013.12.28 07:14:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:ACTUALLY:
The one thing in common with this and the other incident is that both victims were refitting at the time. It's possible that the drone hit you at the exact moment that the server recalculated your ship's resistances, etc. and as a result it did way more damage than it was supposed to. There was no way the dread could refit. It was hostile and neutral to every carrier on field. In fact it was in the process of murdering said carriers. Are you aware of this thing called a mobile depot? He had one in cargo, which indicates that he was aware of them. If he had more than one and had deployed it, he could have been refitting. It was said in the eve-kill comments that he was refitting.
Messoroz wrote:Also if you noticed, it was a WASP that did 20k damage. A single wasp can never ever do 20k damage, regardless if the ship has 0% resistances or not. I realize that. That doesn't mean, for whatever reason, that the game could glitch on refitting and give the ship negative or >100% resists briefly, or something. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Vembuvend
State War Academy Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2013.12.28 07:16:00 -
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This is a SERIOUS problem! Rabble rabble! |
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Gerald Sphinx
The Scope Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2013.12.28 07:17:00 -
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Is this the mess hall? |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
473
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Posted - 2013.12.28 07:20:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Messoroz wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:ACTUALLY:
The one thing in common with this and the other incident is that both victims were refitting at the time. It's possible that the drone hit you at the exact moment that the server recalculated your ship's resistances, etc. and as a result it did way more damage than it was supposed to. There was no way the dread could refit. It was hostile and neutral to every carrier on field. In fact it was in the process of murdering said carriers. Are you aware of this thing called a mobile depot? He had one in cargo, which indicates that he was aware of them. If he had more than one and had deployed it, he could have been refitting. It was said in the eve-kill comments that he was refitting. Messoroz wrote:Also if you noticed, it was a WASP that did 20k damage. A single wasp can never ever do 20k damage, regardless if the ship has 0% resistances or not. I realize that. That doesn't mean, for whatever reason, that the game could glitch on refitting and give the ship negative or >100% resists briefly, or something.
Wasps != 20k damage each regardless of refit. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7702
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Posted - 2013.12.28 07:22:00 -
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Did you not see where I said "I realize that"? Christ, it's like talking to a brick wall. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
EaTCarbS
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.12.28 07:25:00 -
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Obviously a ruse - Goons are too scared to undock their caps, this could never happen anyway! |
Daniel zorg
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
2
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Posted - 2013.12.28 07:35:00 -
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I have erebus paint marks on my Tornado that say different.
Silly harpy fleet spoiled our fun |
Magna Mortem
The Scope Gallente Federation
118
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Posted - 2013.12.28 07:45:00 -
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I believe you. People are don't even get that they don't get you. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7732
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Posted - 2013.12.28 07:58:00 -
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Magna Mortem wrote:I believe you. People are don't even get that they don't get you. I wouldn't be inclined to believe him except for two things. First of all, this isn't the first person to complain about this exact bug. Second of all, the previous person who complained about this had a video showing their ship (I believe it was an Archon) from a third-person perspective losing structure at a slow but steady pace, but then instantly exploding at about 50%. No titans were on field or on that killmail.
I'll have to find that thread. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7732
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Posted - 2013.12.28 08:02:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Magna Mortem wrote:I believe you. People are don't even get that they don't get you. I wouldn't be inclined to believe him except for two things. First of all, this isn't the first person to complain about this exact bug. Second of all, the previous person who complained about this had a video showing their ship (I believe it was an Archon) from a third-person perspective losing structure at a slow but steady pace, but then instantly exploding at about 50%. No titans were on field or on that killmail. I'll have to find that thread. So it was even worse than that, actually. He was alpha'd by this bug through 10% armor and all of his structure while he was refitting to reinforced bulkheads. Here's the thread. Pay close attention to the video and the logs. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4060
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Posted - 2013.12.28 08:19:00 -
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I joined the army to avoid the draft. |
Paul Tsukaya
Dirt 'n' Glitter I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
64
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Posted - 2013.12.28 08:27:00 -
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Daniel zorg wrote:I have erebus paint marks on my Tornado that say different.
Silly harpy fleet spoiled our fun Sorry, the fun police detected unauthorized fun in the area, so we had to delay our BNI fight to apprehend those having unauthorized fun.
Also if anyone knows how to reproduce this exploit (because one does not simply "glitch" drones) they should privately report it to CCP via ticket. Do NOT post how to "glitch" drones in this manner in the thread. |
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Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Ragnarok.
86
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Posted - 2013.12.28 08:28:00 -
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Methinks server ticked, mods were refitted, drones shot, stars aligned and magic resulted in wtfpwndcap |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1839
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Posted - 2013.12.28 08:32:00 -
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I want some 'glitch' drones.
In fact, I want a lot of them, This is not a signature. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1808
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Posted - 2013.12.28 08:39:00 -
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https://community.eveonline.com/support/submit-bug-report/ npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1808
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Posted - 2013.12.28 08:41:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:In fact it was in the process of murdering said carriers.
now let's not post fan-fiction npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
Jess Tanner
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
75
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Posted - 2013.12.28 08:49:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Messoroz wrote:In fact it was in the process of murdering said carriers. now let's not post fan-fiction
I don't think those words mean what you think it means.
But I could be wrong, I'm no word smith.
Just someone who likes to link things. Go with Bob, keep Him always in your heart. He is your Sword, Shield, and the Knife in your back. |
Powers Sa
802
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Posted - 2013.12.28 08:55:00 -
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Man I can't believe you guys lost a dread to a goon multiboxing 7 carriers.
Daniel zorg wrote:I have erebus paint marks on my Tornado that say different.
Silly harpy fleet spoiled our fun I also can't believe that like 12 t2 frigates ruined your T2 cruiser/ t3 battlecruiser operation.
Quote: (11:16:32 PM) J4LP - DUDE: it's 12 jumps for us (11:16:35 PM) J4LP - DUDE: will he hold that long? (11:16:39 PM) J4LP - DUDE: i only have like 12 harpies and 3 bursts
lol |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7775
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Posted - 2013.12.28 09:21:00 -
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He obviously would have died anyways, so I don't think he should be reimbursed. But CCP does need to fix this bug. They're aware of it apparently, but they seem to have shrugged it off as a "can't fix". Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1897
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Posted - 2013.12.28 09:21:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Did you not see where I said "I realize that"? Christ, it's like talking to a brick wall.
You mean it's like talking to your wife right ?
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7780
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Posted - 2013.12.28 09:27:00 -
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flakeys wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Did you not see where I said "I realize that"? Christ, it's like talking to a brick wall. You mean it's like talking to your wife right ? I wouldn't know, man. Even if I did know someone willing I'm certainly not ready for that. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1900
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Posted - 2013.12.28 09:34:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:flakeys wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Did you not see where I said "I realize that"? Christ, it's like talking to a brick wall. You mean it's like talking to your wife right ? I wouldn't know, man. Even if I did know someone willing I'm certainly not ready for that.
Takes too much time away from the full time forum job eh , i understand .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Dietrich III
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
28
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Posted - 2013.12.28 09:37:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Magna Mortem wrote:I believe you. People are don't even get that they don't get you. I wouldn't be inclined to believe him except for two things. First of all, this isn't the first person to complain about this exact bug. Second of all, the previous person who complained about this had a video showing their ship (I believe it was an Archon) from a third-person perspective losing structure at a slow but steady pace, but then instantly exploding at about 50%. No titans were on field or on that killmail. I'll have to find that thread. So it was even worse than that, actually. He was alpha'd by this bug through 10% armor and all of his structure while he was refitting to reinforced bulkheads. Here's the thread.Pay close attention to the video and the logs.
I missed this fight (that's what I get for going to work...) but I'm with James on this one. From what I heard the dread was in fact refitting off a depot. It was likely a goner anyways (as is the spirit of a YOLOSwagRev) but that doesn't change the fact that it would have lasted on the field longer, and that this is a pretty serious bug. Combat-refit with care until CCP address this.
In the other situations where this happened, did drones seem to be the culprit too or was it any form of damage that could trigger instant-death? I'm also curious as to why this seems to be happening now all of a sudden, when people have been combat-refitting off of each other with carriers and supers/titans for years now. Is it just the depots that are breaking things? "Two Nights Before Christmas:" The epic Christmas poem in which Kill it With Fire & Friends engaged in two hours worth of shenangians culminating in 6 bil worth of blown up nullbears! https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yfZ_x0s1pX_x-658hN1bwA4xuUHzcWG6zwhAz0mk2lk/pub |
Silver Rane
Running with Knives Nexus Fleet
0
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Posted - 2013.12.28 09:49:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:But CCP does need to fix this bug. They're aware of it apparently, but they seem to have shrugged it off as a "can't fix".
eh, maybe not. It may just not be worth it to fix. You can't do everything, and resources would be better spent elsewhere.
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Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
645
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Posted - 2013.12.28 10:10:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Although, seriously, don't call it an exploit. It's not an exploit unless they're doing it intentionally, which I seriously doubt.
But I heard they can hack the Gibson in under 12 parsecs. |
Saltire
Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists
0
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Posted - 2013.12.28 10:58:00 -
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Novice coder here.
Do you think the negative damage values are allowed because whoever wrote the code that controls drones/damage calculator used a regular integer instead of an unsigned int?
I can only hack the Gibson in 13 parsecs |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1242
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Posted - 2013.12.28 11:15:00 -
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Saltire wrote:Novice coder here. Do you think the negative damage values are allowed because whoever wrote the code that controls drones/damage calculator used a regular integer instead of an unsigned int? I can only hack the Gibson in 13 parsecs Could be anything really. Probably not something that simple. It would be affecting all damage where that variable was being used to apply damage probably.
If it's to do with refitting and not super common it's very likely a logic error that occurs if something is happening at a certain time something else does damage, possibly drones only, possibly one type of drone only, or one type of module (bulkhead, DCU, hardner removed, switched off) that gives a shite value and then bang, headshot.
Personally, I think it should stay, refitting in combat with a depot is now balanced given there's a chance of instadeath :). I think CCP should add a fatality animation once this feature is identified. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7858
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Posted - 2013.12.28 11:21:00 -
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Saltire wrote:Novice coder here. Do you think the negative damage values are allowed because whoever wrote the code that controls drones/damage calculator used a regular integer instead of an unsigned int? I can only hack the Gibson in 13 parsecs No, because a long int (same data type they use for Dscan distance) allows values from -2147483648 to 2147483647. The issue here isn't integer overflow. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative
924
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Posted - 2013.12.28 11:53:00 -
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Am i to understand this was a DREAD that was alpha'd?
then who gives a ****, your average high sec player could afford a dredd, its like replacing a clone.
also, why do people even still own dreads? |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1243
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Posted - 2013.12.28 11:57:00 -
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It could possibly be this.
If I have 300 ehp and I get hit by 1000 wrecking hit I get my damage hit as 300 ehp I think.
So if I'm refitting with a mobile depot, and I have a damage control, I have to turn it off to refit, damage control on a dread gives 300k ehp on structure. So 200k goes to 500k, perhaps 500k goes to -300k from 200k + hull damage already taken. Could it be that somehow turning off the DCU gives a negative structure amount, like -21000 and the next hit wether its 1 dps or 1000 dps kills you and the calculation is then -21000 similiar to how the 1000 dps coverts to the remaining hp required to hit zero?
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Jack bubu
GK inc. Pandemic Legion
505
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Posted - 2013.12.28 12:12:00 -
[49] - Quote
this bug happened to us aswell ~6 months ago where we instapopped a carrier with ishtars on an lowsec undock.
its a random bug |
Sid Crash
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.12.28 12:29:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:It could possibly be this.
If I have 300 ehp and I get hit by 1000 wrecking hit I get my damage hit as 300 ehp I think.
So if I'm refitting with a mobile depot, and I have a damage control, I have to turn it off to refit, damage control on a dread gives 300k ehp on structure. So 200k goes to 500k, perhaps 500k goes to -300k from 200k + hull damage already taken. Could it be that somehow turning off the DCU gives a negative structure amount, like -21000 and the next hit wether its 1 dps or 1000 dps kills you and the calculation is then -21000 similiar to how the 1000 dps coverts to the remaining hp required to hit zero?
Damage is shown as hp, not EHP, so no it has nothing to do with it.
It's also funny how many morons are trolling this thread. OP shows a damage log, it's confirmed to have happened before and there's obviously something weird going on. Not necessarily an exploit but most certainly a "feature".
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Garnoo
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
87
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Posted - 2013.12.28 13:03:00 -
[51] - Quote
13:02:15Combat44450 from Pith Usurper - Scourge Torpedo - Hits 13:02:17Combat45200 from Pith Usurper - Scourge Torpedo - Hits
NERF GURISTA!!! People are going to try to ruin your day. Get together with others, ruin their day back - this is EvE |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1243
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Posted - 2013.12.28 13:14:00 -
[52] - Quote
Sid Crash wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:It could possibly be this.
If I have 300 ehp and I get hit by 1000 wrecking hit I get my damage hit as 300 ehp I think.
So if I'm refitting with a mobile depot, and I have a damage control, I have to turn it off to refit, damage control on a dread gives 300k ehp on structure. So 200k goes to 500k, perhaps 500k goes to -300k from 200k + hull damage already taken. Could it be that somehow turning off the DCU gives a negative structure amount, like -21000 and the next hit wether its 1 dps or 1000 dps kills you and the calculation is then -21000 similiar to how the 1000 dps coverts to the remaining hp required to hit zero?
Damage is shown as hp, not EHP, so no it has nothing to do with it. It's also funny how many morons are trolling this thread. OP shows a damage log, it's confirmed to have happened before and there's obviously something weird going on. Not necessarily an exploit but most certainly a "feature". DCU gives identical resists to all structure so EHP and HP are the same. |
ure'biatch
The Catholic Church
0
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Posted - 2013.12.28 13:16:00 -
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Not like you can't use tracking disruptors on drones... |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1243
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Posted - 2013.12.28 13:20:00 -
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ure'biatch wrote:Not like you can't use tracking disruptors on drones... this is true... each ship should have 4 or 5 dedicated eas to tracking disrupt enemy drones during refits. sandbox game, sandbox solutions! |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7892
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Posted - 2013.12.28 13:26:00 -
[55] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: DCU gives identical resists to all structure so EHP and HP are the same.
Uh, no. That's not how it works.
Total EHP is the average of the EHP for each resist (alternatively the EHP of the average of the resistances). So let's say my structure HP is 10,000. DC2 brings resists to 60%. So the structure EHP is 10000 * 1/(1 - 0.6) = 25000 with the DC2 on.
EHP and HP are only equal when all resistances are zero. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy The Obsidian Front
233
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Posted - 2013.12.28 13:32:00 -
[56] - Quote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaphylaxis
Obviously allergic to wasp stings, nothing to see here. |
ElQuirko
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
3124
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Posted - 2013.12.28 13:32:00 -
[57] - Quote
Trolls aside, this seems like a pretty problematic issue. Dodixie > Hek |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1243
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Posted - 2013.12.28 13:35:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: DCU gives identical resists to all structure so EHP and HP are the same.
Uh, no. That's not how it works. Total EHP is the average of the EHP for each resist (alternatively the EHP of the average of the resistances). So let's say my structure HP is 10,000. DC2 brings resists to 60%. So the structure EHP is 10000 * 1/(1 - 0.6) = 25000 with the DC2 on. EHP and HP are only equal when all resistances are zero. Oh fair enough. |
ElQuirko
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
3125
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Posted - 2013.12.28 13:58:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: DCU gives identical resists to all structure so EHP and HP are the same.
Uh, no. That's not how it works. Total EHP is the average of the EHP for each resist (alternatively the EHP of the average of the resistances). So let's say my structure HP is 10,000. DC2 brings resists to 60%. So the structure EHP is 10000 * 1/(1 - 0.6) = 25000 with the DC2 on. EHP and HP are only equal when all resistances are zero. Oh fair enough. ...wha-what? A dispute on the EVEO forums was settled with relatively good humour? Dodixie > Hek |
Katie Lazair
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.12.28 14:01:00 -
[60] - Quote
You fail to realize this is not the same universe.
Standard physics does not apply.
This is ccp math. |
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Logan Revelore
Minimal Solutions Aurora Irae
16
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Posted - 2013.12.28 14:02:00 -
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Saltire wrote:Novice coder here. Do you think the negative damage values are allowed because whoever wrote the code that controls drones/damage calculator used a regular integer instead of an unsigned int? I can only hack the Gibson in 13 parsecs
It seems they forgot to add a sanity check in some of the damage code. Sanity checks can cover and patch a lot of bad code, but in ideal circumstances you shouldn't need them, but in this case it would be pretty simple to just add a sanity check, and if it's detected that a "Wasp II" shouldn't do -11000 damage or 20000 damage for that matter, then recalculate the damage.
But yes, not using unsigned in this part of the code would, imo, be bad coding. But that's not necessarily what's going on here.
It could also be a memory bug, simply fetching the damage from the wrong memAddress, again, a sanity check would solve such a problem.
Trolls aside, as others have said, this is an important bug that needs to be addressed. I'd say it's a rank B bug. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4067
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Posted - 2013.12.28 14:33:00 -
[62] - Quote
Logan Revelore wrote:Saltire wrote:Novice coder here. Do you think the negative damage values are allowed because whoever wrote the code that controls drones/damage calculator used a regular integer instead of an unsigned int? I can only hack the Gibson in 13 parsecs It seems they forgot to add a sanity check in some of the damage code. Sanity checks can cover and patch a lot of bad code, but in ideal circumstances you shouldn't need them, but in this case it would be pretty simple to just add a sanity check, and if it's detected that a "Wasp II" shouldn't do -11000 damage or 20000 damage for that matter, then recalculate the damage. But yes, not using unsigned in this part of the code would, imo, be bad coding. But that's not necessarily what's going on here. It could also be a memory bug, simply fetching the damage from the wrong memAddress, again, a sanity check would solve such a problem. Trolls aside, as others have said, this is an important bug that needs to be addressed. I'd say it's a rank B bug.
Let's not rule out that a pointer to a variable got nuked and when assigned out of the tail end came up long int by default.
Raise your hands if you ever got impaled on your own pointer math in a program. o/ |
Phoenix Jones
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
392
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Posted - 2013.12.28 14:56:00 -
[63] - Quote
Found the other post regarding an archon pilot that got alpha'd. Someone said it had to do with refittings.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3836646#post3836646 Stabbers are totally broken
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15116553
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SPUNKMUNKY
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.12.28 15:39:00 -
[64] - Quote
I was there he was refitting.
Do not reimburse. This clown is trying to exploit CCP into giving him back his dread. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1039
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Posted - 2013.12.28 15:45:00 -
[65] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Saltire wrote:Novice coder here. Do you think the negative damage values are allowed because whoever wrote the code that controls drones/damage calculator used a regular integer instead of an unsigned int? I can only hack the Gibson in 13 parsecs No, because a long int (same data type they use for Dscan distance) allows values from -2147483648 to 2147483647. The issue here isn't integer overflow.
I don't think we can reasonably rule this out as the cause based on the size of the hit. It could very well be an overflow that happens earlier in the calculation.
Infinity Ziona wrote:It could possibly be this.
If I have 300 ehp and I get hit by 1000 wrecking hit I get my damage hit as 300 ehp I think.
So if I'm refitting with a mobile depot, and I have a damage control, I have to turn it off to refit, damage control on a dread gives 300k ehp on structure. So 200k goes to 500k, perhaps 500k goes to -300k from 200k + hull damage already taken. Could it be that somehow turning off the DCU gives a negative structure amount, like -21000 and the next hit wether its 1 dps or 1000 dps kills you and the calculation is then -21000 similiar to how the 1000 dps coverts to the remaining hp required to hit zero?
I doubt very much the game's coding relies on "EHP" which is an artificial player construct used for comparison purposes. In practice it would be much more straightforward to just consider a hit, apply damage reduction based on resistances, and subtract hitpoints. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
SPUNKMUNKY
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.12.28 16:03:00 -
[66] - Quote
Messoroz wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:ACTUALLY:
The one thing in common with this and the other incident is that both victims were refitting at the time. It's possible that the drone hit you at the exact moment that the server recalculated your ship's resistances, etc. and as a result it did way more damage than it was supposed to. There was no way the dread could refit. It was hostile and neutral to every carrier on field. In fact it was in the process of murdering said carriers. Also if you noticed, it was a WASP that did 20k damage. A single wasp can never ever do 20k damage, regardless if the ship has 0% resistances or not.
DO NOT REIMBURSE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPRKhWX8d_c&feature=youtu.be 12:11 You can clearly see that there are mobile depots on the field, he even scrolls over one.
This guy is lying thus he is trying to exploit ccp for a new dread. Ban his account.
http://imgur.com/ZC2Daf0
Added a screen shot incase his buddies try to take down the video. |
Magna Mortem
the noise a cow makes while mating
120
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Posted - 2013.12.28 17:12:00 -
[67] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Magna Mortem wrote:I believe you. People are don't even get that they don't get you. I wouldn't be inclined to believe him except for two things. First of all, this isn't the first person to complain about this exact bug. Second of all, the previous person who complained about this had a video showing their ship (I believe it was an Archon) from a third-person perspective losing structure at a slow but steady pace, but then instantly exploding at about 50%. No titans were on field or on that killmail. I'll have to find that thread. I just reread my post and I have no idea what I was typing... |
Zungen
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.12.28 17:15:00 -
[68] - Quote
You were going to die to my doomsday anyways :P |
Magna Mortem
the noise a cow makes while mating
120
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Posted - 2013.12.28 17:18:00 -
[69] - Quote
I love how I'm not the only sane poster in this thread, besides that "are" that somehow sneaked in. Thanks mates! |
Tisisan
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
190
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Posted - 2013.12.28 17:24:00 -
[70] - Quote
SPUNKMUNKY wrote:Messoroz wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:ACTUALLY:
The one thing in common with this and the other incident is that both victims were refitting at the time. It's possible that the drone hit you at the exact moment that the server recalculated your ship's resistances, etc. and as a result it did way more damage than it was supposed to. There was no way the dread could refit. It was hostile and neutral to every carrier on field. In fact it was in the process of murdering said carriers. Also if you noticed, it was a WASP that did 20k damage. A single wasp can never ever do 20k damage, regardless if the ship has 0% resistances or not. DO NOT REIMBURSE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPRKhWX8d_c&feature=youtu.be 12:11 You can clearly see that there are mobile depots on the field, he even scrolls over one. This guy is lying thus he is trying to exploit ccp for a new dread. Ban his account. http://imgur.com/ZC2Daf0Added a screen shot incase his buddies try to take down the video.
Jesus dude, calm down. You guys lost 4 of your carriers, get over it. First, I think it's established that the rev was refitting. OP was mistaken. Given that OP is not the rev pilot, that's forgivable. It also means that the guy posting has no rev to get back. And given that the rev pilot, even more than most WHers, is rich as ****, this really is not about getting a dread back for free. Not that I would expect rational thought to have any kind of impact on a on someone apparently calling for a person to be banned for reporting a bug/exploit?
The issue here, and it is a reasonable one, is that a handful of Wasps should not, mathematically, be able to alpha a dread through 10-15% armor and all his structure. Whether this had something to do with refitting or not matters only in so far as it helps to identify where the bug occurred. It does not de-legitimize the complaint. There is clearly something wonky going on, and it needs to be addressed by CCP. And it needs to be done publicly, because CCP (as much as I love their hard work) have a bad habit of taking private reports of things that are not every day events and going "Meh, too hard, back to designing new eye candy..." and ignoring it until a titan gets killed or a R&K video gets made and everyone learns about it.
It was probably not done intentionally, that doesn't mean it doesn't need to be fixed. That said, they very likely could have been your Wasps, so maybe the level of shouting you are doing indicates it was intentional? Because if it was, if you in some way intentionally exploited a bug you knew about, then that would be a ban worthy offense. But a goon would never intentionally exploit a bug for personal gain would they?
CCP gave us mobile depots, expecting them to be used in exactly this way. There is no indication that they intentionally came with an intentional insta-self-destruct button.
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Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
455
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Posted - 2013.12.28 17:28:00 -
[71] - Quote
SPUNKMUNKY wrote:I was there he was refitting.
Do not reimburse. This clown is trying to exploit CCP into giving him back his dread.
No, we just want a fifth Goon Thanatos killmail, if goons are happy to provide we will retract the petition.
Zungen wrote:You were going to die to my doomsday anyways :P
BUT we would've had a fifth thanny KM!
The rev was going to die eventually, duh, anyone with half a brain can see that...but that sweet sweet fifth thanatos kill slipped from our grasp because someone at ccp went all :CCP: Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour.
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Jess Tanner
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
86
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Posted - 2013.12.28 17:34:00 -
[72] - Quote
Tisisan wrote:SPUNKMUNKY wrote:Messoroz wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:ACTUALLY:
The one thing in common with this and the other incident is that both victims were refitting at the time. It's possible that the drone hit you at the exact moment that the server recalculated your ship's resistances, etc. and as a result it did way more damage than it was supposed to. There was no way the dread could refit. It was hostile and neutral to every carrier on field. In fact it was in the process of murdering said carriers. Also if you noticed, it was a WASP that did 20k damage. A single wasp can never ever do 20k damage, regardless if the ship has 0% resistances or not. DO NOT REIMBURSE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPRKhWX8d_c&feature=youtu.be 12:11 You can clearly see that there are mobile depots on the field, he even scrolls over one. This guy is lying thus he is trying to exploit ccp for a new dread. Ban his account. http://imgur.com/ZC2Daf0Added a screen shot incase his buddies try to take down the video. Jesus dude, calm down. You guys lost 4 of your carriers, get over it. First, I think it's established that the rev was refitting. OP was mistaken. Given that OP is not the rev pilot, that's forgivable. It also means that the guy posting has no rev to get back. And given that the rev pilot, even more than most WHers, is rich as ****, this really is not about getting a dread back for free. Not that I would expect rational thought to have any kind of impact on a on someone apparently calling for a person to be banned for reporting a bug/exploit? The issue here, and it is a reasonable one, is that a handful of Wasps should not, mathematically, be able to alpha a dread through 10-15% armor and all his structure. Whether this had something to do with refitting or not matters only in so far as it helps to identify where the bug occurred. It does not de-legitimize the complaint. There is clearly something wonky going on, and it needs to be addressed by CCP. And it needs to be done publicly, because CCP (as much as I love their hard work) have a bad habit of taking private reports of things that are not every day events and going "Meh, too hard, back to designing new eye candy..." and ignoring it until a titan gets killed or a R&K video gets made and everyone learns about it. It was probably not done intentionally, that doesn't mean it doesn't need to be fixed. That said, they very likely could have been your Wasps, so maybe the level of shouting you are doing indicates it was intentional? Because if it was, if you in some way intentionally exploited a bug you knew about, then that would be a ban worthy offense. But a goon would never intentionally exploit a bug for personal gain would they? CCP gave us mobile depots, expecting them to be used in exactly this way. There is no indication that they intentionally came with an insta-random-self-destruct button.
Also if memory serves, which it usually never does but I digress, the Rev pilot was dropping heat sinks for addition tank. The whole 40 structure HP shouldn't have mattered since he was still in armor when he 'xploded. Go with Bob, keep Him always in your heart. He is your Sword, Shield, and the Knife in your back. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
1013
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Posted - 2013.12.28 17:41:00 -
[73] - Quote
Tisisan wrote:
***SNIP***
CCP gave us mobile depots, expecting them to be used in exactly this way. There is no indication that they intentionally came with an insta-random-self-destruct button.
You are correct that CCP gave us mobile depots for exactly that reason, however assuming that CCP actually knows what's happening in the underlying code seems ...questionable.
CCP, trading shiny pictures for playability since 2003.. EvE, a cutting edge game. The only game to provide Matrix style gameplay for the masses! (trouble is, most people don't have 9 hours to waste on a one hour fight.) |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
476
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Posted - 2013.12.28 17:53:00 -
[74] - Quote
SPUNKMUNKY wrote:I was there he was refitting.
Do not reimburse. This clown is trying to exploit CCP into giving him back his dread.
A wasp cannot do 20k damage on a refitting dread. A wasp cannot do 20k damage to anything. |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1167
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Posted - 2013.12.28 18:00:00 -
[75] - Quote
Logan Revelore wrote:Saltire wrote:Novice coder here. Do you think the negative damage values are allowed because whoever wrote the code that controls drones/damage calculator used a regular integer instead of an unsigned int? I can only hack the Gibson in 13 parsecs It seems they forgot to add a sanity check in some of the damage code. Sanity checks can cover and patch a lot of bad code, but in ideal circumstances you shouldn't need them, but in this case it would be pretty simple to just add a sanity check, and if it's detected that a "Wasp II" shouldn't do -11000 damage or 20000 damage for that matter, then recalculate the damage. But yes, not using unsigned in this part of the code would, imo, be bad coding. But that's not necessarily what's going on here. It could also be a memory bug, simply fetching the damage from the wrong memAddress, again, a sanity check would solve such a problem. Trolls aside, as others have said, this is an important bug that needs to be addressed. I'd say it's a rank B bug.
yes please, sanity checks in the eve code. i mean, load is not an issue here, right ? We are recruiting german-speaking PVP players, contact me :)
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Qweasdy
Absolute Massive Destruction Cult of War
52
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Posted - 2013.12.28 18:17:00 -
[76] - Quote
Ok so I've put a bit of thought into this one and have came up with the possible reason for it.
So everyone knows big fights are generally speaking too much for the server to handle and over the years CCP has been trying to reduce the server load through various things such as tidi. If I recall correctly in a presentation at fanfest or a devblog a few years ago they mentioned that one of the things they'd been doing is slicing non essential processes off of the main server thread to lighten the load.
This I believe is the cause of the bug, from what I can tell refitting was one of the processes that was sliced off the main thread onto a concurrent thread. This makes sense as 99% of the time refitting is unlikely to interfere with anything going on in space, however when you start trying to refit in space with either mobile depots or carriers you run the possibility of some of the calculations interfering with variables that are being used by other systems and causing some crazy **** to happen... such as wasp II's blapping a dreadnought...
Issues like this are fairly common in concurrent processing, when variables will essentially overwrite each other and one will be forgotten about entirely, this is why it's so hard to just make TQ multi threaded, crazy **** like this can start to happen if things don't happen in sequential order. |
SPUNKMUNKY
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.12.28 18:55:00 -
[77] - Quote
Ayeson wrote:SPUNKMUNKY wrote:I was there he was refitting.
Do not reimburse. This clown is trying to exploit CCP into giving him back his dread. No, we just want a fifth Goon Thanatos killmail, if goons are happy to provide we will retract the petition. Zungen wrote:You were going to die to my doomsday anyways :P BUT we would've had a fifth thanny KM! The rev was going to die eventually, duh, anyone with half a brain can see that...but that sweet sweet fifth thanatos kill slipped from our grasp because someone at ccp went all :CCP:
Lawl, 5th thanny kill mail. Nice troll. Watch the video and witness your FC stating that reps are holding.
Dead2RattingCarriers |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
457
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Posted - 2013.12.28 19:01:00 -
[78] - Quote
SPUNKMUNKY wrote: Lawl, 5th thanny kill mail. Nice troll. Watch the video and witness your FC stating that reps are holding.
Dead2RattingCarriers
getting reps =/= reps are holding
Critical listening skills, you don't have them. Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour.
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Tisisan
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
192
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Posted - 2013.12.28 19:03:00 -
[79] - Quote
SPUNKMUNKY wrote:Ayeson wrote:SPUNKMUNKY wrote:I was there he was refitting.
Do not reimburse. This clown is trying to exploit CCP into giving him back his dread. No, we just want a fifth Goon Thanatos killmail, if goons are happy to provide we will retract the petition. Zungen wrote:You were going to die to my doomsday anyways :P BUT we would've had a fifth thanny KM! The rev was going to die eventually, duh, anyone with half a brain can see that...but that sweet sweet fifth thanatos kill slipped from our grasp because someone at ccp went all :CCP: Lawl, 5th thanny kill mail. Nice troll. Watch the video and witness your FC stating that reps are holding. Dead2RattingCarriers
Yes, Ayeson, damnit. Go listen to the FC you scrub.... |
SPUNKMUNKY
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.12.28 19:04:00 -
[80] - Quote
Ayeson wrote:SPUNKMUNKY wrote: Lawl, 5th thanny kill mail. Nice troll. Watch the video and witness your FC stating that reps are holding.
Dead2RattingCarriers
getting reps =/= reps are holding Critical listening skills, you don't have them.
Did you even watch the video?
Here let me link it again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPRKhWX8d_c&feature=youtu.be
and one more time just incase.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPRKhWX8d_c&feature=youtu.be |
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Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
457
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Posted - 2013.12.28 19:05:00 -
[81] - Quote
You seem really upset about this, probably because you lost 4 ratting carriers and it took you an hour to mobilize a :really poor: fleet Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour.
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SPUNKMUNKY
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.12.28 19:11:00 -
[82] - Quote
Ayeson wrote:You seem really upset about this, probably because you lost 4 ratting carriers and it took you an hour to mobilize a :really poor: fleet
LOL I'm quite pleased actually. I got a dread kill and a complimentary threadnaught. I give no ***** for ratting carriers.
Also did you watch the video yet? I'm worried you might have missed the link. Here you go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPRKhWX8d_c&feature=youtu.be |
Witchway
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
99
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Posted - 2013.12.28 19:12:00 -
[83] - Quote
posting in a goons tear thread. |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
457
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Posted - 2013.12.28 19:16:00 -
[84] - Quote
SPUNKMUNKY wrote:Ayeson wrote:You seem really upset about this, probably because you lost 4 ratting carriers and it took you an hour to mobilize a :really poor: fleet LOL I'm quite pleased actually. I got a dread kill and a complimentary threadnaught. I give no ***** for ratting carriers. Also did you watch the video yet? I'm worried you might have missed the link. Here you go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPRKhWX8d_c&feature=youtu.be
I think its cute you think you know who the FC is, and I also find it funny that you're basing your entire argument off of an unidentified person saying one sentence in a video. Your investigative skills know no bounds! Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour.
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SPUNKMUNKY
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.12.28 19:28:00 -
[85] - Quote
Sorry what? I couldn't hear you over the sound of my kill mail.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21117441
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Witchway
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
99
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Posted - 2013.12.28 19:32:00 -
[86] - Quote
we can't hear you over the sounds of ours....
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=21117441 |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
457
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Posted - 2013.12.28 19:34:00 -
[87] - Quote
Clearly you have no valid argument to make, maybe if you would've showed up earlier your thanabros would still be alive, have you seen their KM's?
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21117549 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21117887 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21117888 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21117239
Seems like you still lost, continue with you butthurt shitposting. Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour.
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SPUNKMUNKY
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.12.28 19:40:00 -
[88] - Quote
Lets stay on topic on how this is a tears thread on how you guys lost your dread. |
Amitious Turkey
The Red Circle Inc.
132
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Posted - 2013.12.28 19:45:00 -
[89] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:ACTUALLY:
The one thing in common with this and the other incident is that both victims were refitting at the time. It's possible that the drone hit you at the exact moment that the server recalculated your ship's resistances, etc. and as a result it did way more damage than it was supposed to.
I knew I should have covered that thermal exhaust vent on my battlestation. I like to lick things.
Haunting the forums since 03. |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
457
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Posted - 2013.12.28 20:02:00 -
[90] - Quote
SPUNKMUNKY wrote:Lets stay on topic on how this is a tears thread on how you guys lost your dread.
"You guys" can you define you guys? Dread was replaced within minutes, this is a mathematical debate thread. Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour.
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Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
1101
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Posted - 2013.12.28 20:23:00 -
[91] - Quote
I hope you all get insta-popped by spider drones. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. Captain Tardbar: The official grumpy cat of General Discussion. |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
480
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Posted - 2013.12.28 20:50:00 -
[92] - Quote
SPUNKMUNKY wrote:Lets stay on topic on how this is a tears thread on how you guys lost your dread.
If it wasn't for the dread magically popping to scare us. We had multiple cynos and interdictors in bound. Needless to say goons could have been down a titan easily.
CCP ruins another super kill. |
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Itinerant Empire
220
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Posted - 2013.12.28 21:00:00 -
[93] - Quote
NERF WHATEVER THIS IS!
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TurboX3
V0LTA Triumvirate.
42
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Posted - 2013.12.28 21:10:00 -
[94] - Quote
So many Goon tears, you out blobbed and still lost! Lolz = fail Goons |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7900
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Posted - 2013.12.28 21:14:00 -
[95] - Quote
SPUNKMUNKY wrote:Lets stay on topic on how this is a tears thread on how you guys lost your dread. So what made you decide to come into this thread and start posting this drivel? Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
773
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Posted - 2013.12.28 21:38:00 -
[96] - Quote
So let me get this straight, someone shows direct evidence of a situation more nutty than squirrel **** in peanutbutter icecream and the lot of you are busy whining about how it shouldnt be reimbursed because reasons and Goons
Right.
I do agree this is now worth looking into as once could be a screwball read memory address as damage, twice means something in code.
And it better not be a dont refit in combat answer. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7901
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Posted - 2013.12.28 21:42:00 -
[97] - Quote
The last time it was a "don't refit in combat" answer.
Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
zerquse
Aliastra Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2013.12.28 21:58:00 -
[98] - Quote
Its the new Flavor of the month. Wasps are op now. |
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Itinerant Empire
221
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Posted - 2013.12.28 22:00:00 -
[99] - Quote
NEONOVUS wrote:So let me get this straight, someone shows direct evidence of a situation more nutty than squirrel **** in peanutbutter icecream and the lot of you are busy whining about how it shouldnt be reimbursed because reasons and Goons
Right.
Confirming that when someone whines constantly about a mechanic that works against them it is entirely without precedent for the good people of EVE Online Internet Spaceship game to troll them to keep the tears coming.
This has never happened before, YOU PEOPLE SHOULF BE ASHAMED. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7901
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Posted - 2013.12.28 22:04:00 -
[100] - Quote
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:NEONOVUS wrote:So let me get this straight, someone shows direct evidence of a situation more nutty than squirrel **** in peanutbutter icecream and the lot of you are busy whining about how it shouldnt be reimbursed because reasons and Goons
Right. Confirming that when someone whines constantly about a mechanic that works against them This thread is about a bug. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
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Tetsuo Tsukaya
Itinerant Empire
221
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Posted - 2013.12.28 22:07:00 -
[101] - Quote
Grrr |
Bel Tika
Dirty Rotten Scoundrel's Not.Safe.For.Work.
189
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Posted - 2013.12.28 22:19:00 -
[102] - Quote
so should i train for wasp 2? |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
139
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Posted - 2013.12.28 22:31:00 -
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Another creative use of game mechanics. There is a counter for everything in this game. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.28 22:31:00 -
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Bel Tika wrote:so should i train for wasp 2? In the last thread it was Curator IIs. It doesn't seem to be specific to any drone.
Nerf Burger wrote:Another creative use of game mechanics. There is a counter for everything in this game. You obviously didn't read the thread. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
458
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Posted - 2013.12.28 22:47:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:Another creative use of game mechanics. There is a counter for everything in this game. You obviously didn't read the thread.
Have to agree with James, Did you even bother to read before you just vomited that up with your keyboard? Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour.
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Tisisan
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
192
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Posted - 2013.12.29 00:29:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:SPUNKMUNKY wrote:Lets stay on topic on how this is a tears thread on how you guys lost your dread. So what made you decide to come into this thread and start posting this drivel?
You know, it kind of surprised me that a 4S guy was acting like he has been. I've been aware of the corp for a long time, and have some minor ties going waaaay back, (like MM, even Xanadu back) and always kind of respected the group. But I guess when you join goons, you can't be too surprised when some off the goon wears off on you. Shame.
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Azbogah
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
7
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Posted - 2013.12.29 03:20:00 -
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Batelle wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Saltire wrote:Novice coder here. Do you think the negative damage values are allowed because whoever wrote the code that controls drones/damage calculator used a regular integer instead of an unsigned int? I can only hack the Gibson in 13 parsecs No, because a long int (same data type they use for Dscan distance) allows values from -2147483648 to 2147483647. The issue here isn't integer overflow. I don't think we can reasonably rule this out as the cause based on the size of the hit. It could very well be an overflow that happens earlier in the calculation.
More than likely they used a 16-bit short/word not a integer. A signed word would overflow above 32,768. This could mean CCP at some point changed some code that made it never expect more than 32.7k in volley damage from a drone. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7913
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Posted - 2013.12.29 03:33:00 -
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No offense but this discussion is nothing more than speculation. We really have no idea what data types they use for damage, and the problem could have absolutely nothing to do with overflow. Even if it did, there's no telling here what actually caused the overflow to begin with.
And even if they use short ints, some of the damage displayed is less than the maximum value allowed by this data type yet is still way more than is possible for a drone. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Logan Revelore
Minimal Solutions Aurora Irae
16
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Posted - 2013.12.29 04:03:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Logan Revelore wrote:Saltire wrote:Novice coder here. Do you think the negative damage values are allowed because whoever wrote the code that controls drones/damage calculator used a regular integer instead of an unsigned int? I can only hack the Gibson in 13 parsecs It seems they forgot to add a sanity check in some of the damage code. Sanity checks can cover and patch a lot of bad code, but in ideal circumstances you shouldn't need them, but in this case it would be pretty simple to just add a sanity check, and if it's detected that a "Wasp II" shouldn't do -11000 damage or 20000 damage for that matter, then recalculate the damage. But yes, not using unsigned in this part of the code would, imo, be bad coding. But that's not necessarily what's going on here. It could also be a memory bug, simply fetching the damage from the wrong memAddress, again, a sanity check would solve such a problem. Trolls aside, as others have said, this is an important bug that needs to be addressed. I'd say it's a rank B bug. Let's not rule out that a pointer to a variable got nuked and when assigned out of the tail end came up long int by default. Raise your hands if you ever got impaled on your own pointer math in a program. o/
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Logan Revelore
Minimal Solutions Aurora Irae
16
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Posted - 2013.12.29 04:05:00 -
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Magna Mortem wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Magna Mortem wrote:I believe you. People are don't even get that they don't get you. I wouldn't be inclined to believe him except for two things. First of all, this isn't the first person to complain about this exact bug. Second of all, the previous person who complained about this had a video showing their ship (I believe it was an Archon) from a third-person perspective losing structure at a slow but steady pace, but then instantly exploding at about 50%. No titans were on field or on that killmail. I'll have to find that thread. I just reread my post and I have no idea what I was typing...
It's ok, you just had a few spare words you decided to get rid of. |
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ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
322
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Posted - 2013.12.29 04:08:00 -
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Thread locked.
OP, if you really feel it is an exploit, please file a petition or a bug report. If you post about it here in the forums that is not going to get you anything other than grief, which is the opposite of what you want, for other forum critters will merely point and laugh, and if it is truly an exploit/hack/etc then you are in violation of forum rules. ISD Cura Ursus Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.03 23:42:00 -
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This appears to be some sort of bug. It will be investigated properly. EVE Online/DUST 514 Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
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