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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.30 16:20:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:I am a little curious about the methods - no cache scraping aside I find that several of my alts, none of which have ever seen combat, some of whom have never chatted in any public channel ever, and sit in the same station all day long, appear on the list. Put an alt in every starter system, and you'll know every new character created. Simple as that. All that is left is to update data once in a while. Fair enough, although I suspect there has to be some automation involved at a client level for that to work. I know when I was trying to build up lists of people to do research on, I used 2 years of chat logs and parsed every unique name from them because I figured that macroing user lists into a spreadsheet would be frowned upon if ever found out. If you do have the data for the signups, any chance you could tell us how many new registrations per month? There doesn't need to be automation. As soon as you appear on the local list, your portrait gets cached. I'm pretty sure you can then use that to pull the character ID from the cache. So if you leave a char in a started system for 24 hours, then pull your cache, you'll have the IDs of anyone that passed through it (or spawned in it) in the past 24 hours.
EDIT: Oh and for new characters: http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
That one really is one of Chribbas, and AFAIK also uses API data. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
817
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Posted - 2013.12.30 17:48:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Zainawa Barviainen wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Are you serious?
Grow up Your a dev, act like one Grow up? I'm 29 years old, and 5'6" tall... I don't think there's much hope for me.  On a more serious note, the site is built by a third party, using information that comes from the API through other third parties. There's nothing wrong with the service at all, or the intelligence it provides to people who declare war. If you don't want to get your stuff blown up, either learn to fight back, or hire someone to defend your corporation. It really is that simple.
I admire your calm :)
Other than that, everything has been said. This is public information, "be careful what you wish for".
G££ <= Me |

Darkblad
Hilfe is like Free Entertainment
83
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Posted - 2013.12.30 18:46:00 -
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There's only a single reason why this website is bad:
It makes intelligence gathering quite boring. You only have to check validity of the information ingame as sometimes the data is a bit outdated. You OP should try to find a way to use that site's service to his own advantage ...
And once more: Chribba? MInd adjusting your initial post to a) give correct credit (or rather, from your point of view: tears) and b) fix the link ( http://evewho.com ) EvE Infolinks-áGÇô Umfangreiche Sammlung von Links mit informationen ++ber EvE, inklusive Guides und Infos von mir selbst |

Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied Kiki's Delivery Service.
71
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Posted - 2013.12.30 19:09:00 -
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Darkblad wrote:There's only a single reason why this website is bad: It makes intelligence gathering quite boring.
This is the best statement of the thread. |

Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1056
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Posted - 2013.12.30 19:10:00 -
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Darkblad wrote:There's only a single reason why this website is bad: It makes intelligence gathering quite boring.
Because intelligence gathering starts and stops with knowing who your enemies are. I've found Eve-who is a place to start your search for intel, not end it. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |

Alundil
The Unnamed. The NME Alliance
369
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Posted - 2013.12.30 19:46:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Darkblad wrote:There's only a single reason why this website is bad: It makes intelligence gathering quite boring. Because intelligence gathering starts and stops with knowing who your enemies are. I've found Eve-who is a place to start your search for intel, not end it.
Bolded for good measure Clone mechanics enchancements Deep Space Probe Revival |

Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
990
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Posted - 2013.12.30 22:16:00 -
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Zainawa Barviainen wrote:Hi Since the EvE site www.eve-who.com went live, griefer war decs have tripled due to a attacking corp able to look up an entire corp members roster and use locator agents to find targets Bottom line is A corps member roster is private and Chribba should not be allowed access to CCP servers to provide this information to the public of eve. Yes spys can be used, but people don't even bother with it. Look at our war with PIRAT, they know exactly where we all are at anytime. EvE who's access to corp members rosters need to be taken down CCP is making empire war a viable business You are destroying high sec for those of us have have lived in null n do not want to go back
We dont use eve who... we use somethign else...
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |

Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
990
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Posted - 2013.12.30 22:19:00 -
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Zainawa Barviainen wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Are you serious?
Grow up Your a dev, act like one
He is actign like oen. A dev from a game that was not made to support sissies. Therte is no safe place. Stop trying to make eve even more harmless and safe than it already is.
Falcon always personified the eve essense on every freackign response I saw from him in the forums. You on other hand... "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |

Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
485
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Posted - 2013.12.30 22:43:00 -
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Thank you for informing me of this valuable tool. I will now be declaring war on multiple carebear corps, salutations and happy hunting. |

Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
2663
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Posted - 2013.12.30 22:50:00 -
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I assume we're leaving the thread open to promote it?  I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
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Captain StringfellowHawk
The Riot Formation Fatal Ascension
76
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Posted - 2013.12.30 23:13:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Zainawa Barviainen wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Are you serious?
Grow up Your a dev, act like one Grow up? I'm 29 years old, and 5'6" tall... I don't think there's much hope for me.  On a more serious note, the site is built by a third party, using information that comes from the API through other third parties. There's nothing wrong with the service at all, or the intelligence it provides to people who declare war. If you don't want to get your stuff blown up, either learn to fight back, or hire someone to defend your corporation. It really is that simple.
oooh... Can we play Toss the Tiny person? :P I'm 6'8 and tired of banging my head into things when I forget to duck.. I'll give ya some of my height :D |

Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
2402
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Posted - 2013.12.30 23:42:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:It uses the API.
Here's how it works: To obtain character information, it hands the character name or id to the API server, which return the character info.
Now what you are asking is, how do they get the name or ID? It's not through API scraping (which is by going id by id though the API ignoring invalid ones). What they do is they sit characters in popular systems and channels, then they pull all of the names and ids they can out of chat logs, cached portraits, killboards, the forum, pretty much anywhere they can. Once a characters ID is in the list, it will be there forever and will simply update whenever that character changes corp, etc.
It's all standard stuff that anyone can do. They don't have access to the server, you are simply assuming incorrectly. Get over it.
It does not use the API. Really, read what the guy who build this thing has written.
Quote:Hi guys, thanks for checking out EveWho. I was asked to come here and clarify a couple of things.
1) I am NOT scraping the API. 2) All information I've retrieved is publicly available somewhere. 3) I am NOT scraping the API.
I am well aware of CCP's policies per using the API and I have no intention of abusing them. I built the initial database by getting a character dump from Eve-Kill, scraping some forums, scraping a few hundred other killboards, and from a couple of donations of character name lists.
I am NOT scraping the API.
I built this site by using resources available to everyone. That includes you. I saw another site similar to EveWho a few months ago and thought I could do a better job. I believe I did. If you think you can do a better job, you just might be able to do so :)
I am NOT scraping the API.
Once again let me restate that I am not scraping the API. I might cause an error or two every few minutes but no where near enough to get myself Scotty'ed or even banned. I like getting along with Scotty anyway.
I am NOT scraping the API.
Please continue to enjoy EveWho for good or bad, whichever you prefer.
Fly dangerous, Squizz
FFS Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what? |

Aleph Allieah
Never Ignorant Gettin' Goals Accomplished
6
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Posted - 2013.12.31 01:15:00 -
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Zainawa Barviainen wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Are you serious?
Grow up Your a dev, act like one
No, I'm pretty sure he's perfectly grown up and in his place to do so. Though I think he should've just posted this instead to be honest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7996
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Posted - 2013.12.31 01:34:00 -
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mynnna wrote:You know, if your corp lived up to its incredibly bombastic corp description (quoted below) I would think you wouldn't have problems with highsec wardecs at all, because you'd be kicking the **** out of them. Talk is cheap, I guess. Quote:Study Us, Get All Over Us, Look Closely, Look Real Close, Because The Closer You Look, The Less You Will See, We Will Always Be One Step, Three Steps, No, Ten Steps Ahead And When You Think Your Ahead, Bam, We Will be Right Behind You, You Will Never Be Anywhere Other Than Where We Want You To Be..... Enjoy the corp bounty. I'm sure your aggressors will.  But They Can't Possibly Fail If They Type Like This... Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |

teric melhaff
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
5
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Posted - 2013.12.31 03:10:00 -
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Zainawa Barviainen wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Are you serious?
Grow up Your a dev, act like one
why don't you grow up and stop bitching about a f***ing game. dont like it unsub and go play wow |

NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
773
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Posted - 2013.12.31 03:38:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:R U SERIOUS wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Are you serious?
You rang? omg  If you run a server query for chat speak you could enact a namshub ritual |

Hesod Adee
Kiwis In Space
224
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Posted - 2013.12.31 03:45:00 -
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Zainawa Barviainen wrote:mynnna wrote:You know, if your corp lived up to its incredibly bombastic corp description (quoted below) I would think you wouldn't have problems with highsec wardecs at all, because you'd be kicking the **** out of them. Talk is cheap, I guess. Quote:Study Us, Get All Over Us, Look Closely, Look Real Close, Because The Closer You Look, The Less You Will See, We Will Always Be One Step, Three Steps, No, Ten Steps Ahead And When You Think Your Ahead, Bam, We Will be Right Behind You, You Will Never Be Anywhere Other Than Where We Want You To Be..... Enjoy the corp bounty. I'm sure your aggressors will.  very mature a CSM member placing a 1billion isk bounty on a high sec corp because he disagrees with a forum post outstanding choice for CSM u where Putting a bounty on someone because you don't like their forum posts has been happening since day 1 of the current bounty system.
I'd add to the bounty, but I don't want my inbox to be flooded with kill notifications long after my bounty has been paid out. |

Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals Market and Contract PVP
261
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Posted - 2013.12.31 09:04:00 -
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posting in a not-so-stealth nerf Chribba thread I am the Zodiac, I am the stars, You are the sorceress, my priestess of Mars, Queen of the night, swathed in satin black, Your ivory flesh upon my torture rack. |

Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1311
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Posted - 2013.12.31 09:15:00 -
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Chribba is afk cloaking in ur systemz, collecting ur private infoz. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Hesod Adee
Kiwis In Space
224
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Posted - 2013.12.31 09:27:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Chribba is afk cloaking in ur systemz, collecting ur private infoz. He's only doing that so he can identify and protect us from the Bad Guys. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
10722
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Posted - 2013.12.31 11:14:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:I am a little curious about the methods - no cache scraping aside I find that several of my alts, none of which have ever seen combat, some of whom have never chatted in any public channel ever, and sit in the same station all day long, appear on the list. Your first mistake was to search for your own character hehe. At least that's what I do on eb:g, if you search for a name and it's not in my database already, I will do checks to see if said name is available - and poof - your previously unknown alt is now known to me.
/c
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Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
329
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Posted - 2013.12.31 11:51:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Zainawa Barviainen wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Are you serious?
Grow up Your a dev, act like one Grow up? I'm 29 years old, and 5'6" tall... I don't think there's much hope for me.  On a more serious note, the site is built by a third party, using information that comes from the API through other third parties. There's nothing wrong with the service at all, or the intelligence it provides to people who declare war. If you don't want to get your stuff blown up, either learn to fight back, or hire someone to defend your corporation. It really is that simple.
BOOM!! Headshot.
And stop feeding the trolls. Bad CCP Falcon. Bad, bold.
I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2332
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Posted - 2013.12.31 13:08:00 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:It uses the API.
Here's how it works: To obtain character information, it hands the character name or id to the API server, which return the character info.
Now what you are asking is, how do they get the name or ID? It's not through API scraping (which is by going id by id though the API ignoring invalid ones). What they do is they sit characters in popular systems and channels, then they pull all of the names and ids they can out of chat logs, cached portraits, killboards, the forum, pretty much anywhere they can. Once a characters ID is in the list, it will be there forever and will simply update whenever that character changes corp, etc.
It's all standard stuff that anyone can do. They don't have access to the server, you are simply assuming incorrectly. Get over it. It does not use the API. Really, read what the guy who built this thing has written. Quote:Hi guys, thanks for checking out EveWho. I was asked to come here and clarify a couple of things.
1) I am NOT scraping the API. 2) All information I've retrieved is publicly available somewhere. 3) I am NOT scraping the API.
I am well aware of CCP's policies per using the API and I have no intention of abusing them. I built the initial database by getting a character dump from Eve-Kill, scraping some forums, scraping a few hundred other killboards, and from a couple of donations of character name lists.
I am NOT scraping the API.
I built this site by using resources available to everyone. That includes you. I saw another site similar to EveWho a few months ago and thought I could do a better job. I believe I did. If you think you can do a better job, you just might be able to do so :)
I am NOT scraping the API.
Once again let me restate that I am not scraping the API. I might cause an error or two every few minutes but no where near enough to get myself Scotty'ed or even banned. I like getting along with Scotty anyway.
I am NOT scraping the API.
Please continue to enjoy EveWho for good or bad, whichever you prefer.
Fly dangerous, Squizz FFS He is not scraping the API. Of course he uses the API, you think he types in everyone's info manually? He's just not scraping it, which would be against the rules. He retrieves a list of character names from other sources, and he requests their ID and info from the API.
Seriously, learn some stuff about EVE bro. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Tenaris Zeratul
Killmail Crusaders
34
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Posted - 2013.12.31 22:32:00 -
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Zainawa Barviainen wrote:Hi
CCP is making empire war a viable business
Just as it should be. This isn't YOUR game, people can play how they want. HTFU. |

NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
774
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Posted - 2013.12.31 23:13:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:I am a little curious about the methods - no cache scraping aside I find that several of my alts, none of which have ever seen combat, some of whom have never chatted in any public channel ever, and sit in the same station all day long, appear on the list. Your first mistake was to search for your own character hehe. At least that's what I do on eb:g, if you search for a name and it's not in my database already, I will do checks to see if said name is available - and poof - your previously unknown alt is now known to me. /c I that wow Just wow That is truly a worthy and diabolical feat of programming My stack is off to you |

Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
181
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Posted - 2013.12.31 23:32:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Your first mistake was to search for your own character hehe. At least that's what I do on eb:g, if you search for a name and it's not in my database already, I will do checks to see if said name is available - and poof - your previously unknown alt is now known to me.
/c
Of course you can't really blame searching by an alt's name if you search by corporation and they still pop up. I just did that and saw my primary character's corporation listed with an alt that, AFAIK, has done nothing that would have made her publicly visible by any method of checking I'm aware of. No kill mails, no forum posting, no entering her name into search engines, no chatting in local, nada.
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I'm not particularly paranoid that someone's going to use that information to grief me, and if they do oh f***ing well; I can go about my business or even just quit playing altogether until they get bored and go away. It still creeps me out that there are ways of obtaining character information that I'm not aware of that make information I'd otherwise have expected to be private public.
Of course all things considered I'd be a hypocrite if I complained about anything that made EVE Online feel like the game it should be. I mean the story-based technology in the game is sufficiently advanced enough that a lot of the crap we have to deal with shouldn't even be there. Things like automatic tracking of and firing at incoming missiles with launchers loaded with defenders, fully automated mining craft because it's not like you couldn't create a program to mine asteroids on an Apple II in BASIC much less what is in use in EVE, and so on. Sites like this are simply doing things that "should be" (were EVE "real") available in-game. |

Ashley Kovacs
millennial dawn Touch Fiberoptic
0
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Posted - 2014.01.01 01:06:00 -
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Zainawa Barviainen wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Is it just an API based thing? (I don't actually know what the site is) EvE Who is linked to the ccps servers. it is not api related U can find the full roster of any corp, who they are, how many members and use locator agents to track every member of that corp Making out of the way alts pointless This has lead to a surge in empire griefer corps and alliances, all you have to do is watch the war list in game. it needs to stop. Chribba is human, we have no idea who, or what he is selling hsi personal conenction info to and neither do ccp its as simple as that You're an ignorant idiot.
Even if all your wildly misinformed, inaccurate ideas were even vaguely correct, a "surge" in highsec wardecs can only be a good thing. |

Lledrith
Ex Caminus
30
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Posted - 2014.01.01 04:44:00 -
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it is so nice to see how a person with a decent knowledge for creating a website that gather the information of characters created in game and link them to his site has created such a fuss over nothing but gathering intel i would be more amazed if more people with vast knowledge of jquery, javascript and evegate can make more damage of who's alt belong to who and just get over it of this conspiracy. |

Cannibal Kane
My Little Ponies of the Apocalypse Cannibal Empire
3058
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Posted - 2014.01.01 08:27:00 -
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So not only is the OP wrong by accuses Chribba of wrong doing but he seems to misunderstand how everything works.
All I will say is.
Why Hello there... "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. He flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. His hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. It was truly majestic. And while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off. Because I am like that." - NEONOVUS |

Mag's
the united SCUM.
16379
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Posted - 2014.01.01 10:44:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:So not only is the OP wrong by accuses Chribba of wrong doing but he seems to misunderstand how everything works.
All I will say is.
Why Hello there... And a happy new year. 
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
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