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Glyphe Temare
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.31 06:32:00 -
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What the subject said, the dated DC/emergency warp mechanics are ill equipped to deal with such issues. And DC still happens way too often, I don't even talk about ISP issues.
There's a simple fix tho, instead of having a speed penalty of -100%, make it -99.99% or something.
Same effect in pvp, since the guy would most likely be pointed anyway AND fixed the DC/emergency warp nonsense since you can still snail crawl to warp speed in the event of a DC, everyone's happy. |
Paranoid Loyd
University of Caille Gallente Federation
196
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Posted - 2013.12.31 07:20:00 -
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Don't fly what you can't afford to lose also applies to DCs |
Kery Nysell
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Posted - 2013.12.31 08:09:00 -
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I haven't had a DC in the whole 2013 year ... are you sure it's not your own internet connection ? ... |
Battle BV Master
Executor BV Sovereign Infinity
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Posted - 2013.12.31 09:23:00 -
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Havent DC'd in atleast a year as well... |
Ice Eagle
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Posted - 2013.12.31 12:11:00 -
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Glyphe Temare wrote:What the subject said, the dated DC/emergency warp mechanics are ill equipped to deal with such issues. And DC still happens way too often, I don't even talk about ISP issues.
There's a simple fix tho, instead of having a speed penalty of -100%, make it -99.99% or something.
Same effect in pvp, since the guy would most likely be pointed anyway AND fixed the DC/emergency warp nonsense since you can still snail crawl to warp speed in the event of a DC, everyone's happy.
That is a great idea, could be applied to all forms of siege perhaps. Dreads, Carriers ect. allowing a bastion or seiged ship the ability to emergency warp off as long as it doesn't have a pvp timer
for those of you who don't experience the lag - tidi - cluster melt downs - system crashes - socket closed and connection lost.. u might need to undock occasionally though i admit the stability has gotten better since tidi was introduced imo. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
991
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Posted - 2013.12.31 12:41:00 -
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Kery Nysell wrote:I haven't had a DC in the whole 2013 year ... are you sure it's not your own internet connection ?
last week about 2/3rd of server were dropped and lost connection. TWICE. That type of amssive disconnect happened at least 5 times this year alone! "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Kery Nysell
138
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Posted - 2013.12.31 13:27:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Kery Nysell wrote:I haven't had a DC in the whole 2013 year ... are you sure it's not your own internet connection ? last week about 2/3rd of server were dropped and lost connection. TWICE. That type of amssive disconnect happened at least 5 times this year alone!
Must be my playing hours then, I usually am online (and in space, doing missions/incursions, TYVM) in the afternoons and early evenings, eve-time ... and I can honestly say that I haven't had a single DC this year.
And yes, I was online last week ... didn't even see such a massive DC, and I even had my second account's alt trading in Jita, the population there was a steady 1800+ for the whole day ... ... |
Zenith Gravit
LionGate Enterprises Care Factor
37
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Posted - 2013.12.31 15:17:00 -
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Why not just set your Bastion module not to auto repeat? If it's really an issue for you at least then you have a chance to e-warp. |
Sentenced 1989
Quantum Anomaly Corporation
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Posted - 2013.12.31 19:56:00 -
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Zenith Gravit wrote:Why not just set your Bastion module not to auto repeat? If it's really an issue for you at least then you have a chance to e-warp.
Because the way it works...
You disconnect Is the bastion running? If yes, you don't warp If no, you warp
Your ship only gets e-warp trigger once, at the time game realizes your connection broke, it will not wait for you bastion to turn off and then try to warp. Same goes with tackle, you tackle somebody, he pulls the connection cable out, game figures he disconnected and triggers e-warp, you have him tackled, his ship stays there because he can't warp, and at that point you can turn off your tackle because he isn't going anywhere.
Now, about the bastion + missions = timebomb... well... what can you do, reconnect fast, have enough tank to survive, perma 400-500 tank without bastion should be cheap enough and will keep you alive in 90% of the time so even less chance of you losing your ship. Same could be told scramming frigates in level 4's are timebomb, if you get scrammed by it and DC you are ****** anyhow, lost one very expensive T3 due to that reason years before bastion was even on drawing board.
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Bruce Kemp
Bored.com
80
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Posted - 2013.12.31 20:38:00 -
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Well, it looks like everyone in EVE just got socket closed. |
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Glyphe Temare
Viziam Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.12.31 21:03:00 -
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Well, I'm glad you guys have a rock solid connection to the server, I don't. I DC multiple times everyday while playing only a few hours long. Mostly socket closed, sometimes it's my 4g modem reinitializing it's connection to the cell tower.
Either way, my proposed fix wouldn't break the "working as intended" vision the devs had and would alleviate a lot of grief.
And of course I can replace it, but I ain't gonna make a single penny in the end at this rate of DC, I'll barely be able to replace them as I lose them to a broken game mechanic.
So my only solution for now, is not to use them, which you can agree, isn't a real solution, just a WORKAROUND. |
Sid Crash
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Posted - 2013.12.31 22:50:00 -
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There's nothing to fix because it's not EVE or CCP being the problem, it's you/your connection. Might as well "fix" siege mode then because ppl might disconnect and all that. Also using ASB in pve is dumb as hell, even more so if you're known to have a terrible connection. Stop being a special snowflake, stop stealing internet from your neighbours and stop trying to make your specific problem some one else's.
Solution is simple; Don't have Bastion on auto repeat and stop using silly ASB. Even better would be to get a proper internet connection. |
Praxis Ginimic
Vessels of the Line Bask of Fail
734
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Posted - 2013.12.31 23:10:00 -
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Tell that to Australia |
Sid Crash
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Posted - 2013.12.31 23:22:00 -
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Praxis Ginimic wrote:Tell that to Australia
Australia is full of spiders, it can burn in hell. |
Praxis Ginimic
Vessels of the Line Bask of Fail
734
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Posted - 2013.12.31 23:51:00 -
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Ha |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
991
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Posted - 2014.01.01 00:54:00 -
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Sid Crash wrote:There's nothing to fix because it's not EVE or CCP being the problem, it's you/your connection. Might as well "fix" siege mode then because ppl might disconnect and all that. Also using ASB in pve is dumb as hell, even more so if you're known to have a terrible connection. Stop being a special snowflake, stop stealing internet from your neighbours and stop trying to make your specific problem some one else's.
Solution is simple; Don't have Bastion on auto repeat and stop using silly ASB. Even better would be to get a proper internet connection.
And what about what happened TODAY? When aboudn 20 THOUSAND players lsot connection during the DDOS?
THat is COMMON in eve ( like 3-4 time sper year).. stop beign arrogant. THere is an issue.
And it shoudl be extended to other modules, as soon as bastion or siege ends the ship should try again to e-warp. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Sid Crash
35
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Posted - 2014.01.01 00:57:00 -
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Yes that happens really often. Stop trying to create drama, no one is falling for it. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
577
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Posted - 2014.01.01 01:04:00 -
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Simple solution... If you're on a poor internet connection don't use bastion.
I too sometimes run missions while I'm away from home on a poor internet connection and I use a cap stable CNR. It still does around 900 DPS and has no issues tanking with multiple DC's from a poor internet connection.
If you're main internet connection is so bad you're getting DC'd perhaps you should shop around for another ISP. |
Dato Koppla
PillowFighters Inc Stealth Wear Inc.
467
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Posted - 2014.01.01 02:06:00 -
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IIshira has got the right idea, it's simple really, rather than asking CCP to change the mechanics, run a cap-stable tank or don't use Bastion if you experience frequent DCs. |
Glyphe Temare
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.01 03:57:00 -
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Well, no. As it would have many more obvious advantages, less petitions for one.
As for looking for another ISP, well, I'm stuck here. And it's not like everybody's got first class connections, so I don't think anyone should be penalized for having no other choices when a simple enough fix with no side-effects can be applied. Arguing otherwise is either elite mentality, "not my case so don't care and STFU" or something along those lines. This social darwinism bullshit is so outdated and busted it ain't even funny.
Nvm, I rest my case, CCP'll decide.
Glyphe out. |
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Nuetral Alt
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.01 04:15:00 -
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the TL/DR This guy is pissed because he DC'd in a site while he was in Bastien mode and is upset that him DCing didn't save his ship. He wants CCP to fix this so when a carrier or super per say gets tackled all they do is disappear in space like they used to vs aggro timers and what not...
So...let me ask you...Where did the rats touch you after you dc'd? |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
577
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Posted - 2014.01.01 04:39:00 -
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Glyphe Temare wrote:Well, no. As it would have many more obvious advantages, less petitions for one.
As for looking for another ISP, well, I'm stuck here. And it's not like everybody's got first class connections, so I don't think anyone should be penalized for having no other choices when a simple enough fix with no side-effects can be applied. Arguing otherwise is either elite mentality, "not my case so don't care and STFU" or something along those lines. This social darwinism bullshit is so outdated and busted it ain't even funny.
Nvm, I rest my case, CCP'll decide.
Glyphe out.
A bit of anger here. Asking CCP to change the game because something on your end is broken isn't a reasonable expectation. You do have a choice if you're on a poor internet connection although it might not be the one you want.
I'm sorry but I've been deployed in RL to some desert halfway around the world and I was LUCKY to have internet. It was so bad that when I would attempt to PVP I would be podded by the time I realized I was being attacked. Any PVE setups had to be cap stable.
Did I cry on the forums about how it was so unfair?... No! If you're stuck in some third world country and can't get decent internet I might feel a bit sorry for you because you have to change your play style but if it's because you can't get your mom to upgrade then well suck it up. I'm sorry if you think that's "social darwinism" |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
577
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Posted - 2014.01.01 04:48:00 -
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Nuetral Alt wrote: So...let me ask you...Where did the rats touch you after you dc'd?
This is where model ships are very important. It's a lot less traumatizing to point out the bad place than to talk about it. Sansha have done some unspeakable acts to me. They took a part of me that I'll never get back. |
Victoria Thorne
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.01.01 04:53:00 -
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I have a bit of sympathy for this issue. I have an extremely good internet connection, but every few months I'll get a rash of socket errors.
It's only EVE. I keep my connection to the internet, and haven't had a problem with anything else, ever. I don't consider it a major issue, but I'd think twice before using a Bastion module.
I have heard that setting up a VPN can stop a lot of those issues. (From reading up on it the first time it happened, it looks like certain areas have this problem more than others.)
Edit - In the interest of full disclosure, I was actually considering getting a Pali, but since I happen to be going through the aforementioned rash of socket errors today, I'll probably give it a miss. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
577
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Posted - 2014.01.01 06:44:00 -
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Victoria Thorne wrote:I have a bit of sympathy for this issue. I have an extremely good internet connection, but every few months I'll get a rash of socket errors. It's only EVE. I keep my connection to the internet, and haven't had a problem with anything else, ever. I don't consider it a major issue, but I'd think twice before using a Bastion module. I have heard that setting up a VPN can stop a lot of those issues. (From reading up on it the first time it happened, it looks like certain areas have this problem more than others.) Edit - In the interest of full disclosure, I was actually considering getting a Pali, but since I happen to be going through the aforementioned rash of socket errors today, I'll probably give it a miss.
I've gotten a random DC now and then but I was able to get back on within 30 seconds so no danger to my tank
I was on when the server crashed recently flying a CNR in missions. I don't know if it was a complete server crash but everyone in my corp DC'd so it was either the server or the systems nearby. By the time I was able to get back on and warp away I was half into hull. My ship didn't warp off, hardeners and shield booster turned off. I didn't lose the ship but it was close. Of course this was not bastion because it was a CNR. |
Zrogh Qerhurcouruo
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.01.01 06:54:00 -
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Glyphe Temare wrote:What the subject said, the dated DC/emergency warp mechanics are ill equipped to deal with such issues. And DC still happens way too often, I don't even talk about ISP issues.
There's a simple fix tho, instead of having a speed penalty of -100%, make it -99.99% or something.
Same effect in pvp, since the guy would most likely be pointed anyway AND fixed the DC/emergency warp nonsense since you can still snail crawl to warp speed in the event of a DC, everyone's happy. I use my Note 2 4G with LTE connection, not a single DC with EVE since I started this game few months ago. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
991
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Posted - 2014.01.01 09:49:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Simple solution... If you're on a poor internet connection don't use bastion.
I too sometimes run missions while I'm away from home on a poor internet connection and I use a cap stable CNR. It still does around 900 DPS and has no issues tanking with multiple DC's from a poor internet connection.
If you're main internet connection is so bad you're getting DC'd perhaps you should shop around for another ISP.
Ude, just shut up! Its not the person internet connection. Some people here have disconnection while at work in an ISP company! Fact is the connectivity from the rest to the world to london is NOT the same everywhere!
Even with 2 Gbps connections on a dedicated link You do get disconnectiosn to eve servers a few times per year!
Work is not only your ugly backyard ! "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
991
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Posted - 2014.01.01 09:51:00 -
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Zrogh Qerhurcouruo wrote:Glyphe Temare wrote:What the subject said, the dated DC/emergency warp mechanics are ill equipped to deal with such issues. And DC still happens way too often, I don't even talk about ISP issues.
There's a simple fix tho, instead of having a speed penalty of -100%, make it -99.99% or something.
Same effect in pvp, since the guy would most likely be pointed anyway AND fixed the DC/emergency warp nonsense since you can still snail crawl to warp speed in the event of a DC, everyone's happy. I use my Note 2 4G with LTE connection, not a single DC with EVE since I started this game few months ago.
BEcauser the issue is NOT in the damm computer! THe issue is with connectivity of several countries towards London! If you are not in one of those coutnrie syou will NEVER loose connection even if you are playign on a toaster. IF you live on any of them You will loose connection from time to time, no matetr how awesome you think your ocmputer and connection is. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Akemi star
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.01.01 11:06:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Glyphe Temare wrote:Well, no. As it would have many more obvious advantages, less petitions for one.
As for looking for another ISP, well, I'm stuck here. And it's not like everybody's got first class connections, so I don't think anyone should be penalized for having no other choices when a simple enough fix with no side-effects can be applied. Arguing otherwise is either elite mentality, "not my case so don't care and STFU" or something along those lines. This social darwinism bullshit is so outdated and busted it ain't even funny.
Nvm, I rest my case, CCP'll decide.
Glyphe out. A bit of anger here. Asking CCP to change the game because something on your end is broken isn't a reasonable expectation. You do have a choice if you're on a poor internet connection although it might not be the one you want. I'm sorry but I've been deployed in RL to some desert halfway around the world and I was LUCKY to have internet. It was so bad that when I would attempt to PVP I would be podded by the time I realized I was being attacked. Any PVE setups had to be cap stable. Did I cry on the forums about how it was so unfair?... No! If you're stuck in some third world country and can't get decent internet I might feel a bit sorry for you because you have to change your play style but if it's because you can't get your mom to upgrade then well suck it up. I'm sorry if you think that's "social darwinism"
I thought eve was played by smart people. but you are committed to prove its not. That... or you are trolling Glyphe. CCP is a company and if fixing this issue will get them more money, they should and they will. Stop talking on behalf of CCP as if you are a GM or the Ceo of the company. You are just another 14euro per month. Now that said. The CCP apologists so far have said.
"Don't fly what you can't afford to lose also applies to DCs Lol"
I don't know anyone who can casually lose 1.5 bill battleships on DCs I m sure they are out there. But i m also sure if they can casually lose 1.5 bill ships they will most likely fly 4.5 billion Battleships.
"Havent DC'd in atleast a year"
Again not everyone lives in wonderland of perfect internet connection. And most of the people playing eve, live on the other side of the fence. So DCs are common. And guess what... they pay the same 14 euro you pay for the game.
"it's simple really, rather than asking CCP to change the mechanics, run a cap-stable tank or don't use Bastion if you experience frequent DCs."
Yea not using the thing that makes Marauders special, or one of the main features of the latest expansion for mission runners, is a poor excuse.
"This guy is pissed because he DC'd in a site while he was in Bastien mode and is upset that him DCing didn't save his ship. He wants CCP to fix this so when a carrier or super per say gets tackled all they do is disappear in space like they used to vs aggro timers and what not..."
PVP is another thing entirely you cant really compare it with mission running. To stupid to actually answer... A mission Runner is Fighting like 80% of the time and his ship can blow up in a minute if left unattended. In pvp you are in danger like 5% of the time. And i don't think supercarriers and carriers can die by the time you log back. If they do. You were already dead to begin with. How can you compare random PVP disconnects with pve..
And for those that think that people use Simulated Disconnect to save their ship. Pulling the modem plug and such.. The last ship i lost in a level 4 mission was back in 2008 i started eve around that time. Only a few missions have warp scramble, and you can kill those ships at the start of the fight. I don't think people Fly around in marauders that have no clue on how to do L4 missions.
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
462
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Posted - 2014.01.01 11:23:00 -
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Even though that whole mechanic is annoying, what should they do that isn't interfering with pvp? Your ship disappearing from space against timers obviously is inacceptable.
I'm mostly pvp'ing, and I got serious issues with DCs, kiting in a Talos -- screen freezes. Taking a 60AU warp to seperate a gang -- land on grid, client stuck nothing happens, log back in to jita and so on. It is happening, there is no doubt. Given that Eve crashes on a regular basis while I'm still bantering in TS, would say it's slightly angering.
So if you find yourself in the same situation and want to use a marauder, just use a small/med SB for L4s or something similiar, they keep on tanking for you until you made it back. You don't even need cap stability, you just need 3-4 minutes.
Strongly advertising player-side workarounds instead of complaints. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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