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IcedBach Jr
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Posted - 2006.03.15 13:55:00 -
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plz mr BOBsmak,
If SA went and defended the POS, or stayed there ASCN would attack us and thats not smth SA wants, especially since they have been true to their word till now, unlike the roid monkeys down south.
SA is not a 2600 ppl alliance so it cant possible be all around can its.
Shame that the POS went, shame that ASCN let TS attack us but kill us if we respond, but hey thats the situation and we live with it and go on with the war against ebil bob's and their lackies. Plz remember SA is fighting BOB/FIX/SE/TRIAD/TS at the same time and with very strange neighbours all around.
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pshepherd
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Posted - 2006.03.15 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: IcedBach Jr unlike the roid monkeys down south.
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.03.15 14:26:00 -
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A war with anyone living in NPC 0.0 stations is a long grueling process. While i do congratulate you on taking down the POS, I also have to wonder why you felt this needed to be an official announcment?
FYI the community does not need to know every time a POS goes down. If it did this thread would be nothin but dead POS posts. Congrats but next time keep your official announcments for things a bit more spectacular.
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Kantar
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Posted - 2006.03.15 15:33:00 -
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Edited by: Kantar on 15/03/2006 15:37:17 IS not about how much the POS cost and how much the Freighter cost,
is about info, military intelligenze and organazation.
Every one can put a fleet of 30 BS and kill a POS we all done it but take more to prepare a trap,to find out what your foe doing,where they doing it and execute it with min or no loss.
As Image is concern look worst losing 6 Freighter then a POS costs a part.
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.03.15 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Xanta not anywhere near as funny as losing 6 freighters at once tbh
QFT!
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End Yourself
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Posted - 2006.03.15 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: End Yourself on 15/03/2006 15:56:34
Originally by: Kantar Edited by: Kantar on 15/03/2006 15:37:17 IS not about how much the POS cost and how much the Freighter cost,
is about info, military intelligenze and organazation.
Every one can put a fleet of 30 BS and kill a POS we all done it but take more to prepare a trap,to find out what your foe doing,where they doing it and execute it with min or no loss.
As Image is concern look worst losing 6 Freighter then a POS costs a part.
and?
losing 6 freighters or 10+ dreads or something similar in a single engagement is a big ****up
not defending a POS (that has been used for carebearing alot during the past weeks) at all with THREE days time to organise it looks MUCH worse to me than one ****up and a load of capital ships going down the drain
the RA dreads for example cost ALOT more than this POS for sure, still they send them in and didn't decide to hang around in npc stations and npc during the same time.
also the freighter thingie was VC's "info, military intel and organisation", SA just jumped onto the "bandwaggon" <- gotto use that word more often
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Netto
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Posted - 2006.03.15 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: thebold I think tribal is adding up the price of the pos with its guns and so oną
Anyway look at where the POS was (Estoria)... ASCN has been bugging us about it when G left and Oberon have been bugging us about it as well lots of issues over that POS and system in question.
The issues was with ASCN and Oberon they assumed that we was shutting of the system to the NPCers but the issues were basically a NPCer from normally ASCN would jump in local and trash all the spawns blabla and mine rocks or whatever without even asking.. It was a politeness issueą anyway IGS held that system for over 2 years, but the issue with ASCN and Oberon was sorted out along time ago as we made it clear we wasnĘt limiting a section of space or had our own ęlittle kingdomĘ thing going on as Cyvok quite neatly put it :)
This is a minor point but it bugs me anyway (It's a he said/she said issue).
Speaking as one of the people chased out of the system in question a number of times, I was there when they logged on, and I was chased out at the threat of hostilities. Them saying "THIS IS OUR SYSTEM LEAVE OR YOU WILL BE FIRED ON." And this story is echoed by more then a few people. There was never anyone there to "ask", and it was supposidly a free zone. That's where all the bugging came from.
Again, completely moot point but the way you characterized the issue wasn't accurate.
Netto
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2006.03.15 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Xanta not anywhere near as funny as losing 6 freighters at once tbh
best post in this thread
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.03.15 16:08:00 -
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My guess is that this war will end soon with the bandwagon riders hopping off the wagon 1 by 1 (exuro already did /o/) and eventually BoB will post one last arrogant statement about not bothering to fight SA because they're "unworthy" (can't beat them).
Flame all you like but you know this is roughly how it'll go --------------------------------------
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.03.15 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: thebold I also crashed when you lot jumped in.. i keep crashing when enemy fleet jumps in or warp in for a fight like friday night.. must be my client going if user == thebold crash :(, ow my stabs would of saved me but caladri bs are just to slow for alignment, i loged on to chaos :)
Yeah, I saw that happening, is a b*tch aswell, my sympathies on that one, was a nice short range frag fest.
And your stabs wouldn't save you in Delve btw, we've got more stilettos than you can shake a stick at in NOL
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.03.15 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Masta Killa My guess is that this war will end soon with the bandwagon riders hopping off the wagon 1 by 1 (exuro already did /o/) and eventually BoB will post one last arrogant statement about not bothering to fight SA because they're "unworthy" (can't beat them).
Flame all you like but you know this is roughly how it'll go
Roughly how it will go, is we'll get people who have no involvement in the current fight poking their ignorant noses in and making assumptions that, down the line, will just make them look like asses.
No wait...
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
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Fi T'Zeh
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Posted - 2006.03.15 16:19:00 -
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So lemme get this straight, all you homos caught the band wagon in to Stain and I had to fly ? Jeez. ....
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Trakh Shardan
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Posted - 2006.03.15 17:19:00 -
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TRIBEL 4TW TRIBEL 4TW TRIBEL 4TW !!!!!!!
\o/ o// \\o o// \\o \o/
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Joan Smith
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Posted - 2006.03.15 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Trakh Shardan TRIBEL 4TW TRIBEL 4TW TRIBEL 4TW !!!!!!!
\o/ o// \\o o// \\o \o/
tribal theeee new superpower!! they will kill ur pos and make a statment on it yarrrr they soo uber
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Kamikaze1
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Posted - 2006.03.15 17:49:00 -
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lmao another joke thread yay
Originally by: SirMolle
Stain will be wiped out. Goodbye.
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Rutoo
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Posted - 2006.03.15 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Raid A war with anyone living in NPC 0.0 stations is a long grueling process. While i do congratulate you on taking down the POS, I also have to wonder why you felt this needed to be an official announcment?
FYI the community does not need to know every time a POS goes down. If it did this thread would be nothin but dead POS posts. Congrats but next time keep your official announcments for things a bit more spectacular.
I'll tell you why Raid, Smoke Needed a Ego Boost and let people know that they are still the backstabbers of eve.
Also to put a big flashing Target on thier head once the BoB-SA thing blows over. ________________________________ Club Seals Not Sandwichs |
dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.03.15 18:07:00 -
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Quote: Also to put a big flashing Target on thier head once the BoB-SA thing blows over.
personaly no matter what happens, i dont think any one in stain will forget or forgive tribal for their betrayal, no matter the outcome of this war..it will not be forgoten..bobs/fix/rest of bandwagon actions were expected (well except for the strong venom from the slobs forum brigade...but thats doing us more favors than they can relise)...getting stabed in the back from the original stains dead weight was not _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist |
Ab Initio
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Posted - 2006.03.15 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: dantes inferno getting stabed in the back from the original stains dead weight was not
Well, firstly.. Who wouldn't treasure a relationship with friends that consider you "stains dead weight" >.<
You can call us nubs, miners, carebears or anything else you feel is warranted. Tribe have no delusions of grandeur (despite how it may seem), and like any good alliance should be, we're painfully aware of both our strengths and weaknesses (the later which we are actively working on).
We've had some good fights SA, some where we have held the field, others where you (or SE) have come out on top. Neither alliance is really obliterating the other. Fighting you and SE are giving us the experience you constantly remind us we don't have, and we're enjoying it.
We dont underestimate anyone we fight, it would serve you well to do the same.
Ab Initio (SDW) Stains Dead Weight Alliance.
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Pradege D'Hallur
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Posted - 2006.03.15 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: thebold I think tribal is adding up the price of the pos with its guns and so oną
Anyway look at where the POS was (Estoria)... ASCN has been bugging us about it when G left and Oberon have been bugging us about it as well lots of issues over that POS and system in question.
The issues was with ASCN and Oberon they assumed that we was shutting of the system to the NPCers but the issues were basically a NPCer from normally ASCN would jump in local and trash all the spawns blabla and mine rocks or whatever without even asking.. It was a politeness issueą anyway IGS held that system for over 2 years, but the issue with ASCN and Oberon was sorted out along time ago as we made it clear we wasnĘt limiting a section of space or had our own ęlittle kingdomĘ thing going on as Cyvok quite neatly put it :)
Ever since the move by ASCN to Close its borders of Estoria Feythabolis Impass.. SA again has been put into a potential position of go to full war with ASCN by moving a fleet through its new Estoria space breaching Cyvoks border closing to defend a pos that was mutual agreed on that it would be maintained by a few alts and left alone..
Tribal has achieved a harsh blow to IGS as that system means allot to them but there future resolve to Tribal will be a reflection of there anger and by that time IGS will not stand alone I can assure you.
It boiled down to war with ASCN or let a POS that was full of Trit go.. (It seriously was full of trit). SA based on that equation chose the option not to defend it.
Estoria is run by Oberon and ASCN now Since SA wanted to loose its regions... We know ASCN will hold them VS any Northern Entity that wanted to invade and support Oberon if they became threatened again.
Actually it was full of trit. 2 weekends ago me and a few of the guys got four hauler spawns in that system with well over 180mil of trit, pyr, and mex. Since we could not haul it we gave it to the IGS guys. Eh any ways i think IGS is the wrong group to **** over but i am sure Tribal Souls understand their maybe be some consequences....
When we die God's job is to judge us..........My job is to arrange that meeting
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pshepherd
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Posted - 2006.03.15 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Rutoo
I'll tell you why Raid, Smoke Needed a Ego Boost and let people know that they are still the backstabbers of eve.
we jumped ship, we didn't backstab
Originally by: Rutoo
Also to put a big flashing Target on thier head once the BoB-SA thing blows over.
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.03.15 20:24:00 -
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Quote: Well, firstly.. Who wouldn't treasure a relationship with friends that consider you "stains dead weight" >.<
well considering you jump ships every time you are threatened..what do you expect people to think? i remember the old days pre and during the g/iron invasion where we would have 200 in alliance and strugle to get 20/30 in gangs..i came close to quitting eve in disgust over it..but when you lot formed tribal, the new sa a alliance with 100-110 online at once could form multiple gangs with ease..i was overjoyed.
now i dont overunderestimate tribla..but i do hold them in contempt, their actions have showed them to be oppurtunists who will stab anyone in the back as long as it is in their own intrests, you left se for sa when you felt it was in your own intrests, you formed tribal to get g/iron of your backs, you now attack SA to stay in bobs good books....dont expect any peace for a very very long time...were in stain to stay, and im sure that tribal souls will now be our favorite targets.
but i wont bother posting again as i expect bob to pop into this thread with their "four legs good, two legs bad" bleating as they usualy do (for those who dont get the reference read animal farm) _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist |
Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.03.15 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: dantes inferno but i wont bother posting again as i expect bob to pop into this thread with their "four legs good, two legs bad" bleating as they usualy do (for those who dont get the reference read animal farm)
Four legs bad, they run faster than two legs good :(
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
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Ab Initio
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Posted - 2006.03.15 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: dantes inferno
well considering you jump ships every time you are threatened..what do you expect people to think? i remember the old days pre and during the g/iron invasion where we would have 200 in alliance and strugle to get 20/30 in gangs..i came close to quitting eve in disgust over it..but when you lot formed tribal, the new sa a alliance with 100-110 online at once could form multiple gangs with ease..i was overjoyed.
now i dont overunderestimate tribla..but i do hold them in contempt, their actions have showed them to be oppurtunists who will stab anyone in the back as long as it is in their own intrests, you left se for sa when you felt it was in your own intrests, you formed tribal to get g/iron of your backs, you now attack SA to stay in bobs good books....dont expect any peace for a very very long time...were in stain to stay, and im sure that tribal souls will now be our favorite targets.
but i wont bother posting again as i expect bob to pop into this thread with their "four legs good, two legs bad" bleating as they usualy do (for those who dont get the reference read animal farm)
Not having your level headed responses in this thread, would be its loss. More interested in posts such as yours than the majority of other posts we see.
First thing I would like to point out, is that Tribe isn't just X-SA corps, a large number of the corps have had nothing to do with SA prior to joining Tribe. As such, we are not as intimately aware of the history between SA / SE / Some Tribe.
That said, high ranking members of SA have posted timelines for different events regarding the G invasion, and the corps that are now in tribe leaving SA. The timelines (and those SA members own words) debunk alot of the accusations of backstabbing and jumping ship by those corps. Alot of people however just ignore those facts, and continue (as you have) to say the complete opposite (I see a long session of trying to find tha damn post on eve-search ahead of me).
As for hiding from G/IRON, we see more of them in our space than we see SA (this is not smack, its fact backed up by our killboards). We regularly have G gangs showing up in PS, and have since the day Tribe was founded. They're alot of fun to fight though.
Opportunistic? We fought SE when it was in the Souths best interest (and still do), we fought G when it was in the Souths best interest (and still do), now we fight you, because we believe its in the best interest of the South.
Most of tribe respect your alliance, just not some of your diplomatic decisions.
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Kamikaze1
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Posted - 2006.03.15 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Kamikaze1 on 15/03/2006 21:35:46
mmm u guys play eve in da forums or what? propaganda 4tw
to mr smoke au your time will come very soon ....
SA has nothin to lose and that makes us strong when i look at tribal i see a ****load free stations in da future... and bob i think they made already a movie about blobing da 9rq station for 4 hours without any movement i think your only option is to keep posting on da forums to show everybody how badass u guys are or maybee u ask ccp to make da npc stations in stain conquerable
Originally by: SirMolle
Stain will be wiped out. Goodbye.
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Rutoo
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Posted - 2006.03.15 21:40:00 -
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Well the Fact that you don't know first hand what happened. First of all Stains strenght was that we where split, some in south some in north, and there was that 1 route. G came in and took that when SA moral was kinda at a low, and we had a hard time forming gangs or finding anyone willing to fight. At this time there was few corps living in Paragon, STC, Freelancers, SFHI and maybe some Fatex. GQ2 was praticaly always empty also, which is a change from now. I'll go even more back in time if you like,
I was part of SA for the almost a year, during the Smash wars when SA almost lost paragon soul (then smash kinda got screwed) but there was always a gang of at least 40 down there protecting it, my first such gang was about 200 people. Where we not only took gq2 back but also went for period basis, (Which Aperently ****ed off FA) and caused that war.
yadda yadda, Anyways Northern SA was also down to help, until G came, and we had a hardtime to bring up gangs and protect the assists. no one seemed willing to help and abs did the best thing he could for paragon soul, created the new allinece, in which was left on friendly terms and wished to remain friendly. As Abs Playing time decreased due to rl, other people took up the ranks, making choices which would lead to the quiting, and leaving of some players who where in paragon since the start. (from what i know most of STC's pvpers left,(which would be the reason TRIBE doesn't have much people expereiced in pvp))
Anyways i said to much
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Kazim
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Posted - 2006.03.15 21:48:00 -
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This thread is gonna be great
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2006.03.15 21:52:00 -
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Quote: now we fight you, because we believe its in the best interest of the South.
but here is where you confuse me....
was it not fix who began this war by seting SA KOS and attacking us in corridor when we were aiding ASCN against G/Iron? was it not BOB with their heavy handed "diplomacy" who made SA feel that they had two choices accept BOB's standings or die (BOB claim that this was not their intention...so ill grant them that..but thats how they came across) turing a long standing dispute between 2 alliances into something so much more..chances are fix and sa would of been resolved by now...disregaring the propeganda put across by the sheep brigade fix were on the ropes..and there would be peace in the south.,,instead we have what will be months if not longer of warefare...yes i see how this move by the sheep brigade is good for the south. if you are so interested in southern interests why have you not interefered in the lv/v/chimp/kos vs RA war...thats disturbing the peace in the south is it not? if you are so interested in southern interest why did you not attempt to help ascn when G had invaded them? if you are so interested in southern interests..why did u not help KOS when SE had omist?
so throughout your history you have steped into one conflict out of many in the interest of the south...it just so happens its a conflict that will benefit you..as TS now have full access to delve, and are in bobs good books
and just to clarify one point the reason there wernt to much of the stain proper portion of the SA in paragon during the G invasion was quite simple...the majority of the threat was in estoira(remember the outpost g took?)...and that where the majority of the defence was. _____ This is a Stain Alliance Fighter. It is protecting the assets of Stain Alliance, and may attack anyone it perceives as a threat, Threat Level: Trigglarist Fundermentalist |
Ab Initio
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Posted - 2006.03.15 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rutoo
(from what i know most of STC's pvpers left,(which would be the reason TRIBE doesn't have much people expereiced in pvp))
Anyways i said to much
Thankyou for taking the time to write that Rutoo. Great thing about EVE is its history :)
Only one point that I would comment on. Although loosing the STC guys was a hit (as is anyone leaving that you have fought beside), the idea that all PVP experience in the alliance was centralised in a small group of STC players is not accurate. Apart from the strong PVP contingents within most of the corps as a whole, we also have a number of pvp only corps as well.
But again, thanks for the history Rutoo, It was very interesting.
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Ab Initio
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Posted - 2006.03.15 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: dantes inferno
but here is where you confuse me....
was it not fix who began this war by seting SA KOS and attacking us in corridor when we were aiding ASCN against G/Iron? was it not BOB with their heavy handed "diplomacy" who made SA feel that they had two choices accept BOB's standings or die (BOB claim that this was not their intention...so ill grant them that..but thats how they came across) turing a long standing dispute between 2 alliances into something so much more..chances are fix and sa would of been resolved by now...disregaring the propeganda put across by the sheep brigade fix were on the ropes..and there would be peace in the south.,,instead we have what will be months if not longer of warefare...yes i see how this move by the sheep brigade is good for the south. if you are so interested in southern interests why have you not interefered in the lv/v/chimp/kos vs RA war...thats disturbing the peace in the south is it not? if you are so interested in southern interest why did you not attempt to help ascn when G had invaded them? if you are so interested in southern interests..why did u not help KOS when SE had omist?
so throughout your history you have steped into one conflict out of many in the interest of the south...it just so happens its a conflict that will benefit you..as TS now have full access to delve, and are in bobs good books
and just to clarify one point the reason there wernt to much of the stain proper portion of the SA in paragon during the G invasion was quite simple...the majority of the threat was in estoira(remember the outpost g took?)...and that where the majority of the defence was.
Well.. Couple of points here:
* We have engaged RA, but at the moment we have higher priorities (SA/SE for the most part). * We only ever had one request for support from ASCN (and it was more because of our timezone coverage for a particular op). There was an Tribe bs gang shooting at G pos in AZN the night that the cease fire was brought into play. There was also tribe raiding parties around the area fairly consistantly. * We did assist SE with KOS when asked as well. Tribe took one of the stations back that was under SE control in Omist.
We have actually been active in assisting our neighbours when its requested, but we dont generally have much of a forum presence, or a interest in letting everyone know about what we're doing.
For the record, I don't think this thread should ever have existed. The fact that Tribe is humble in most regards and just gets on with the job is why I'm part of it.
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Rutoo
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Posted - 2006.03.15 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ab Initio
Originally by: Rutoo
(from what i know most of STC's pvpers left,(which would be the reason TRIBE doesn't have much people expereiced in pvp))
Anyways i said to much
Thankyou for taking the time to write that Rutoo. Great thing about EVE is its history :)
Only one point that I would comment on. Although loosing the STC guys was a hit (as is anyone leaving that you have fought beside), the idea that all PVP experience in the alliance was centralised in a small group of STC players is not accurate. Apart from the strong PVP contingents within most of the corps as a whole, we also have a number of pvp only corps as well.
But again, thanks for the history Rutoo, It was very interesting.
I recall me leaving with a post about how newer players will step up and take the ranks? that that the new players will be based on tribe living or not, it's not the members i don't like, it's the 'some' of the leaders. ________________________________ Club Seals Not Sandwichs |
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