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Kalel Nimrott
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2014.01.02 04:59:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:I am reading a lot of ideas that seem to stem from an abundance of laziness. Get off your ass and drive some conflict by shooting people in the face. Speaking of lazy, WHY HAS MY APP NOT BEEN ACCEPTED YET BANE!!???
WhatisthisIdonteven/another aussie? |
Winthorp
Sky Fighters
558
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Posted - 2014.01.02 05:02:00 -
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Kalel Nimrott wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:I am reading a lot of ideas that seem to stem from an abundance of laziness. Get off your ass and drive some conflict by shooting people in the face. Speaking of lazy, WHY HAS MY APP NOT BEEN ACCEPTED YET BANE!!??? WhatisthisIdonteven/another aussie?
AU TZ BEST TZ. |
Tasiv Deka
End-of-Line
183
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Posted - 2014.01.02 06:17:00 -
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Winthorp wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:I am reading a lot of ideas that seem to stem from an abundance of laziness. Get off your ass and drive some conflict by shooting people in the face. Speaking of lazy, WHY HAS MY APP NOT BEEN ACCEPTED YET BANE!!??? WhatisthisIdonteven/another aussie? AU TZ BEST TZ. SHH dont let my Aussies read this... they'll get even bigger egos than they already have... Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts...-á
The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth. |
Tasiv Deka
End-of-Line
183
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Posted - 2014.01.02 06:22:00 -
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Anyways to post on topic... its simple if you want conflict drive it yourself... Stay cloaky in a target system till you can gank someone... tick off the residents... make them get rid of you if they want to do anything... if they dont want to stop you be a prick and ping their pocos constantly... burn them out.
Its simple enough... just think "what would **** me off enough to want to go shoot that F*ckass in the face?"
BE THE ANNOYING HOUSE GUEST THAT THEY HAVE TO THROW OUT!!! Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts...-á
The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth. |
Borsek
A.A.A Ragnarok.
135
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Posted - 2014.01.02 08:00:00 -
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no |
Sith1s Spectre
Sky Fighters
488
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Posted - 2014.01.02 10:01:00 -
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Well, if half of WH space unblued one another they'd have stuff to shoot at.
Sky Fighters is now recruiting a few more US/AU players https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4033197#post4033197 |
Duke Wendo
Probe Patrol Polarized.
0
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Posted - 2014.01.02 11:02:00 -
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Well, what can I say? You guys think w-space is all fine and dandy? Well good for you I guess.
Your suggestions of camping people's space and being an annoyance to them- that's your only idea?
I give up! :) |
Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
253
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Posted - 2014.01.02 11:23:00 -
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Duke Wendo wrote:that's your only idea? I give up! :) - more connections, both random and static - make holes harder to crash by more mass randomization, maybe using some new deployable to mess up countercrashing with caps
Sith1s Spectre wrote:Well, if half of WH space unblued one another they'd have stuff to shoot at. Just curious: what half is that? W-Space Realtor |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Polarized.
1243
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Posted - 2014.01.02 12:18:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:The only conflict driver you need is the desire to shoot someone in the face. WH space doesnt need more 'conflict drivers' as you put it. what is a conflict driver anyway?
It's quite simple. Conflict drivers provide a reason to fight; they normally reward the victor and have a negative effect on the looser.
Don't confuse desire with reason.
+1 |
Kalel Nimrott
Sky Fighters
749
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Posted - 2014.01.02 12:45:00 -
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Ok, lets do some conflict drive! Lets see..., damn I'm lazy, I pick Rek.
Rek Seven, I heard you preffer people from you own sex to engage in loving relationships. |
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Polarized.
1243
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Posted - 2014.01.02 13:19:00 -
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Jokes aside, name calling or being called max leadfoot seems to be the only conflict drivers in wormhole space. +1 |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
654
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Posted - 2014.01.02 13:20:00 -
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Oh look. More Conflict.
Thread tl;dr -
"hai guys, let's add null/low PVE mechanics (low to medium profit) to wormholes (high profit) and imagine how that will drive people to fight each other."
"That won't fix it, people drive conflict."
"Ya-huh, It will fix it."
"How is that a valid argument."
"I'm just saying that PVE changes will drive people to fight."
"You're not making any sense."
"It will fix it, I've lived in wormholes for years." Wormhole Minister of High Society @autoritare | The Diogenes Club |
tgl3
Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms
453
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Posted - 2014.01.02 15:18:00 -
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The only driver you need is that bastard in that Myrmidon is sat on that wormhole and that's *my* goddamn wormhole to sit on and I'll be damned if I'm just gonna let him sit there.
Cue explosions. Member of the EVE Blog Pack - Through Newb Eyes
Twitter - TG_3 |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
675
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Posted - 2014.01.02 15:20:00 -
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Sephie is a fantastic conflict driver No trolling please |
Borsek
A.A.A Ragnarok.
135
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Posted - 2014.01.02 18:42:00 -
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You want a legitimate reason to shoot the other guy? Go to nullsec.
The possible reasons for fighting people in WHs include:
Because you like explosions and pvp gives you a thrill. Because the other party is doing PvE and you want to do PvP. Because you don't like their corp name/ticker/logo/description. Because the idea of having their POSes littering a certain system is too much to bear. For Bob. Because the other party called your mother nasty things. Previous corp theft/awoxing/being a massive ******/random disruptive behaviour. Because you can. Because they show up on your overview. For the preservation of the sleeper wildlife.
In any case, you don't NEED a valid reason, a PvE/PvS mechanic to shoot someone in W-space, you do it for whatever reason you want to, mostly because it's more fun than shooting red crosses. In the end, all of nullsec could become one big blue donut and they could all carebear togetherGäó and no one would shoot anyone etc. but that would make eve hella boring. So, we shoot each other, because we can.
Sure, more pve content wouldn't hurt in wormholes, but it would change jack **** in the form of PvP mechanics. Having WHs become nullsec #2 would float my boat not. In any case, what you're proposing is a moon-goo equivalent in w-space, which is just not needed.
If you want to move every month because your hole runs completely dry, be my guest... you can still do it if you for some reason like disassembling and assembling POSes, I for one, do not.
As for having fun in WHs, I got a major thrill (and 750 Arkonor) as I baited a gnosis with a procurer today. The moment he warped on the field, ready to tackle my obvious bait in his gnosis I felt a surge of bliss-inducing endorphins being released in various regions of my brain (especially the regions controlling the gonads). I can't understand why you need a reason to do such a thing, when doing it is fun regardless of the reasons. *proof* http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21196677 Also that gnosis was terrible, I felt like I could solo it with the shitfit mining ship I found in my corp hangar (double passive tank, don't ask). |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
464
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Posted - 2014.01.02 19:17:00 -
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*Why do you shoot me?* - *Cause you're lockable and not in my corp* All the reason needed.
If you want to create a real good conflict driver, create a deployable module called a *cloning facility* that can easily be attacked and reinforced (like must be anchored 350k from a CT, has barely any tank, but leaves reinforce after 24-36 hours and can be repped up to be made usable again) and is avaiable to local POS-dwellers of any affiliation only, with the assumption you'd have to create a clone in there personally. When under siege and number of pilots inside matter, it will do jack **** for you. When you're roaming out into null, you can get podded out there and then jump back into your system, continuing the roam without the need to roll for a highsec/lowsec first.
That'd be my fav. approach. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
Moving pictures: The Enyo |
Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2866
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Posted - 2014.01.03 01:18:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Jack Miton wrote:The only conflict driver you need is the desire to shoot someone in the face. WH space doesn't need more 'conflict drivers' as you put it. what is a conflict driver anyway? It's quite simple. Conflict drivers provide a reason to fight; they normally reward the victor and have a negative effect on the looser. (POCO, moon goo, sov, etc.) Don't confuse desire with reason. yeah, that's what I dont get. why do you need a reason to shoot someone other that the simple enjoyment of doing so? i mean, do you not like PVP in itself?
PVP rewards the victor with loot and a KM and has the negative effect of isk/asset loss on the loser. EVE is one of the very few games that actually has real consequences, loss and gain for PVP and youre still complaining that it isnt enough? I honestly do not understand how you can even remotely come up with this point of view but hey, each to their own i guess.
you claim to have desire to PVP so go PVP. EVE is REALLY not a game where PVP is hard to come by.
im not confusing desire to PVP with reason to PVP. my desire to PVP IS the reason that I PVP. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
662
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Posted - 2014.01.03 01:36:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:im not confusing desire to PVP with reason to PVP. my desire to PVP IS the reason that I PVP.
/thread Wormhole Minister of High Society @autoritare | The Diogenes Club |
Caius Beriat
Blackstar Privateers Disavowed.
120
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Posted - 2014.01.03 10:02:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Jokes aside, name calling or going by the name max leadfoot seems to be the only conflict drivers in wormhole space.
Everyone loves to hate on Max. He's like the Justin Beiber of J-Space.
The mails sent to him are pretty lulz though, some real butthurt over things that happened ages ago. I read somewhere that the player base of eve was mostly adults with the average age of like 25+ yet we are the biggest bunch of twats. Going to wars over things that wouldn't even provoke a fight in the school playground.
I love it, never change. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Polarized.
1245
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Posted - 2014.01.03 11:19:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Jack Miton wrote:The only conflict driver you need is the desire to shoot someone in the face. WH space doesn't need more 'conflict drivers' as you put it. what is a conflict driver anyway? It's quite simple. Conflict drivers provide a reason to fight; they normally reward the victor and have a negative effect on the looser. (POCO, moon goo, sov, etc.) Don't confuse desire with reason. yeah, that's what I dont get. why do you need a reason to shoot someone other that the simple enjoyment of doing so? i mean, do you not like PVP in itself? PVP rewards the victor with loot and a KM and has the negative effect of isk/asset loss on the loser. EVE is one of the very few games that actually has real consequences, loss and gain for PVP and youre still complaining that it isnt enough? I honestly do not understand how you can even remotely come up with this point of view but hey, each to their own i guess. you claim to have desire to PVP so go PVP. EVE is REALLY not a game where PVP is hard to come by. im not confusing desire to PVP with reason to PVP. my desire to PVP IS the reason that I PVP.
It can't be that hard to comprehend that different people have different motivations and satisfaction levels, can it?
For me, killing PVE ships and padding my killboard does not motivate me. I need close and unpredictable fights every day and i feel that wormhole space is boring these days because people don't have any reason to fight if they don't have the desire to.
I'm not saying the idea in this thread is what i'm looking for but i do feel that wormhole space has so much more room for improvements/expansion, and it annoys me to know that my chosen playground hasn't seen any new content for years. (don't eve mention those ghost sites) +1 |
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NoobMan
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
5
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Posted - 2014.01.03 12:14:00 -
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Hard K(n)ocks tends to find most of its PVP hopping into null sec.
Most of the time we roll or scan into these so called large "relevant" PVP WH corps they roll us out OR we form up they see our fleet is bigger than theirs and call us "blobbers" OR they have like 3-5 online we scout and wait around to see if they can get more people online, we get bored and roll.
For the people that complain about "WH's are a big blue donuts" the reason we don't have SSC or VoC or any other Alliance we've worked with in the past on our killboard is because we simply never see them in our chains. In the half a year I've been in WH's I've had SSC or VoC in our chain maybe once or twice each tops.
There's 2489 WH systems, of that 512 are C5's and 113 are C6's. and there are what, 20ish PVP WH Alliances that are willing to have these dream fights you all want? It would be Blasphemy to say that there should be less WH's, this is the land of Bob we live in and are blessed with every WH he has created for us.
I like the idea of C4's having two Statics, we too are bored of scanning anything past C4's. More connections more traffic.
I would suggest ya'll recruiting more people to fill up this huge space. Get better TZ coverage. HRDKX needs more people to shoot at and our recruitment is currently F**King Selective.
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Peter Moonlight
Direwolf-Rayet skylian Verge
47
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Posted - 2014.01.03 17:37:00 -
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NoobMan wrote:Hard K(n)ocks tends to find most of its PVP hopping into null sec.
Most of the time we roll or scan into these so called large "relevant" PVP WH corps they roll us out OR we form up they see our fleet is bigger than theirs and call us "blobbers" OR they have like 3-5 online we scout and wait around to see if they can get more people online, we get bored and roll.
For the people that complain about "WH's are a big blue donuts" the reason we don't have SSC or VoC or any other Alliance we've worked with in the past on our killboard is because we simply never see them in our chains. In the half a year I've been in WH's I've had SSC or VoC in our chain maybe once or twice each tops.
There's 2489 WH systems, of that 512 are C5's and 113 are C6's. and there are what, 20ish PVP WH Alliances that are willing to have these dream fights you all want? It would be Blasphemy to say that there should be less WH's, this is the land of Bob we live in and are blessed with every WH he has created for us.
I like the idea of C4's having two Statics, we too are bored of scanning anything past C4's. More connections more traffic.
I would suggest ya'll recruiting more people to fill up this huge space. Get better TZ coverage. HRDKX needs more people to shoot at and our recruitment is currently F**King Selective.
Tbh, 6 months in Wormholes? You sound like you are in there 6 days. VoC in wormholes now, really? Also I was watching(live) the HRDKX vs SSC fight like 2 months ago, so you do fight actually. No one said there should be less wormholes, but much more connections.. And if you try to say that we for example are just another group that hides and things like that, ask your mates, we always had a fight with you when you rolled in, but when i say that i mean really every time. Just, you sound like a raged null sec player.. |
dilly nay
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.04 05:47:00 -
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Duke Wendo wrote: What other ideas do you guys have to create more conflict between groups of players?
i tend to go around calling corp leaders giant poopheads. that really steams their noodle |
Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2873
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Posted - 2014.01.04 07:15:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Jack Miton wrote:The only conflict driver you need is the desire to shoot someone in the face. WH space doesn't need more 'conflict drivers' as you put it. what is a conflict driver anyway? It's quite simple. Conflict drivers provide a reason to fight; they normally reward the victor and have a negative effect on the looser. (POCO, moon goo, sov, etc.) Don't confuse desire with reason. yeah, that's what I dont get. why do you need a reason to shoot someone other that the simple enjoyment of doing so? i mean, do you not like PVP in itself? PVP rewards the victor with loot and a KM and has the negative effect of isk/asset loss on the loser. EVE is one of the very few games that actually has real consequences, loss and gain for PVP and youre still complaining that it isnt enough? I honestly do not understand how you can even remotely come up with this point of view but hey, each to their own i guess. you claim to have desire to PVP so go PVP. EVE is REALLY not a game where PVP is hard to come by. im not confusing desire to PVP with reason to PVP. my desire to PVP IS the reason that I PVP. It can't be that hard to comprehend that different people have different motivations and satisfaction levels, can it? For me, killing PVE ships and padding my killboard does not motivate me. I need close and unpredictable fights every day and i feel that wormhole space is boring these days because people don't have any reason to fight if they don't have the desire to. I'm not saying the idea in this thread is what i'm looking for but i do feel that wormhole space has so much more room for improvements/expansion, and it annoys me to know that my chosen playground hasn't seen any new content for years. (don't eve mention those ghost sites) ganking PVE ships doesnt count as PVP for the purposes of this discussion and I never said it did.
Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |
Dyscordia
Super Elite Friendship Club
10
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Posted - 2014.01.04 08:37:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:The only conflict driver you need is the desire to shoot someone in the face. WH space doesnt need more 'conflict drivers' as you put it. what is a conflict driver anyway? to me it's just a term that's been thrown around lately by the few large WH groups who are looking for a justification to keep using their 30+ man T3 blobs while the rest of WH space has moved on. Quote:I seek challenging fights to learn to be a better pilot. this is your problem, not a problem with WH space. the best way to learn to be a better pilot is to fly solo and in small gangs and this can be done easily by anyone who cares to. The rest of your post talks about PVE and nullsec. who cares about either? What do they have to do with WH PVP? nothing. Changing how profitable WHs are will have zero impact on anything to do with PVP in WHs and saying it will is missing the point. WH space has all to reasons to PVP anyone can possibly need. What is lacking for some, apparently yourself included, is the correct attitude towards PVP.
Spot on. |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
676
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Posted - 2014.01.04 08:58:00 -
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Well, I think a lot of people in wh space need to come to the realization that wh space is mostly ganks. Sorry if that isn't what you are looking for, but that is the result of having cloakies, no local, random wormhole connections, etc.. It makes me laugh that I hear people ***** about ganking, but I know none of you little bastards have ever gone "nah. it's just a gank. I'll pass." I personally enjoy ganks AND good fights, so for me it isn't an issue at all. I
I also think that the fact these "good fights" don't happen very often makes them even more enjoyable. No trolling please |
TurboX3
V0LTA Triumvirate.
42
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Posted - 2014.01.04 09:24:00 -
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Why is everyone against Max Leadfoot, I bet damn sure half of you don't actually know him and jump on the bandwagon cos hey your sister stole your barbie doll and you are still hurt.... No Trolling Please |
Bane Nucleus
Sky Fighters
676
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Posted - 2014.01.04 10:11:00 -
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Dear Turbo,
I hate you.
Love Always,
Bane "Ain't no sunshine" Nucleus No trolling please |
Sith1s Spectre
Sky Fighters
490
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Posted - 2014.01.04 11:35:00 -
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NoobMan wrote:Hard K(n)ocks tends to find most of its PVP hopping into null sec. Most of the time we roll or scan into these so called large "relevant" PVP WH corps they roll us out OR we form up they see our fleet is bigger than theirs and call us "blobbers" OR they have like 3-5 online we scout and wait around to see if they can get more people online, we get bored and roll.
That card is getting old. Every time we have run into you guys (Kill as a whole) we don't get a fight.
I personally don't have a problem with it, because half the time most big groups are busy or out on operations (us included) but really, some days are better than others for getting pews. Sky Fighters is now recruiting a few more US/AU players https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4033197#post4033197 |
Hidden Fremen
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
286
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Posted - 2014.01.04 12:37:00 -
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Sith1s Spectre wrote:NoobMan wrote:Hard K(n)ocks tends to find most of its PVP hopping into null sec. Most of the time we roll or scan into these so called large "relevant" PVP WH corps they roll us out OR we form up they see our fleet is bigger than theirs and call us "blobbers" OR they have like 3-5 online we scout and wait around to see if they can get more people online, we get bored and roll.
That card is getting old. Every time we have run into you guys (Kill as a whole) we don't get a fight. I personally don't have a problem with it, because half the time most big groups are busy or out on operations (us included) but really, some days are better than others for getting pews.
Yea, like the time we rolled into you, asked for a fight, but you guys were busy elsewhere. Sometimes it can't be helped. I don't always post in >Wormholes>, but when I do, I immediately regret it because the thread is so sh*t... |
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