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Azlana
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Posted - 2006.03.15 14:21:00 -
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The Tech II chain
Tech 2 ships and modules - blueprints obtained from the blueprint lottery.
Tech 2 components - blueprints obtainable from NPC corps
Complex materials - Large control tower only
Simple materials - Medium control tower minimum
Raw materials - Small control tower minimum
This little guide covers the foundation of this chain, the production of raw materials. To become involved you will need a functioning POS, setup on a viable moon. This guide will tell you how profitable that can be.
Scanning Costs
Before setting up a POS, it is in your interests to scan as many moons as possible. Scanning costs are considerable, you need to buy one probe for every moon you want to scan. There are three types of moon probe, and the cost of each probe relates only to how long it takes for the result to come back to you. You can have as many different probes in action as you like, so the only advantage of the expensive probes is that you can leave the system more quickly after you have fired your last probe. I recommend using the cheapest probes for most scanning activities.
Quest Survey Probe (40 minute delay) - 89,000 isk Discovery Survey Probe (10 minute delay) - 193,000 isk Gaze Survey Probe (5 minute delay) - 279,000 isk
Remember - logging off, docking or leaving the system will waste any probes you havenĘt had results for yet.
The minerals
Mining a moon is futile unless you are going to be able to make money from what you mine. Below are my estimated prices per unit for the moon minerals, I have grouped them according to how easily they sell. In brackets is the weekly amount of isk you will make receive if you can sell that mineral.
Unsellable
Evaporite Deposits - 80 isk p/u (1.3 million isk per week) Hydrocarbons - 100 isk p/u (1.7 m) Atmospheric Gases - 160 isk p/u (2.6 m) Silicates - 220 isk p/u (4 m) Tungsten - 300 isk p/u (5 m) Cobalt - 700 isk p/u (12 m)
Hard to sell
Scandium - 1100 isk p/u (18 m) Titanium - 1400 isk p/u (24 m) Chromium - 1500 isk p/u (25 m) Platinum - 1800 isk p/u (30 m)
Sellable
Vanadium - 1400 isk p/u (24 m) Cadmium - 1600 isk p/u (27 m) Caesium - 1800 isk p/u (30 m) Thulium - 2500 isk p/u4 (42 m) Neodynium - 2700 isk p/u (45 m)
Jackpot!!!
Hafnium - 2500 isk p/u (42 m) Mercury - 3000 isk p/u (50 m) Technetium - 3500 isk p/u (59 m) Promethium - 4000 isk p/u (67 m) Dysprosium - 5000 isk p/u (84 m)
Now you need to deduct your weekly POS running costs from any income you make from the minerals....
POS Costs
Both small and medium POS are ideal for moon mining. Which to choose depends on the level of defences needed, the number of minerals you wish to simultaneously mine from the moon, and any other uses you need the POS for (eg ratting or storage).
Small Towers
Can harvest one mineral at a time.
Setup cost: approx 130 million Weekly fuel: approx 10-15 million
Medium Towers
Can harvest three minerals at a time, Amarr tower can only harvest two at a time.
Setup cost: approx 240 million Weekly fuel: approx 20-25 million
Note: It is possible to mine an extra moon on caldari small and medium towers by exchanging silos for coupling arrays. The downside of this is that you would have to empty them every 15 hours.
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KempoKenshi
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Posted - 2006.03.15 20:56:00 -
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Edited by: KempoKenshi on 15/03/2006 20:56:31 Mercury and Hafnium are worth more than Neodynium and Thulium?
In my region that is common dirt (more common than Pt or Cr)...
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Azlana
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Posted - 2006.03.15 22:38:00 -
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Well neodynium and thulium are technically worth (slightly) more than Hafnium, but hafnium sells easily. Nedynium isn't the easiest of minerals to get rid of. Neodynium and thulium may be rare, but trust me they are not particulary profitable, I unanchored a POS from a neodynium moon only last week.
There is always a good demand for mercury, in fact mercury moons in empire systems sell on the forums for decent amounts of isk i believe. If you find mercury close to empire space then you should put a POS up on it.
Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'noob' at will to old ladies. There is a pestilence upon this land. Nothing is sacred. |
KempoKenshi
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Posted - 2006.03.16 11:11:00 -
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Cheers for the comments.
I actually wanted to set up a 1-to-1 trade of neodynium for thulium, but I might as well could go for mercury What would be my chances for trading Hafnium+Mercury for Caesium+Technetium on a 1-to-1 basis?
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Kaladr
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Posted - 2006.03.16 11:12:00 -
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Its really somewhat regional. Mercury is abundant down south at least. Gotta haul it north for good prices. ---- EVE-Central.com | Obsidian Technologies - Manufacturing, Defense and Logistics. We're hiring! Mail me |
Azlana
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Posted - 2006.03.16 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kaladr Its really somewhat regional. Mercury is abundant down south at least. Gotta haul it north for good prices.
Yeah I should add that the prices I came up for reflect what I believe to be average contract prices availiable if you haul to Jita. My little guide is less helpful for non-empire people.
Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'noob' at will to old ladies. There is a pestilence upon this land. Nothing is sacred. |
Azlana
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Posted - 2006.03.16 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: KempoKenshi What would be my chances for trading Hafnium+Mercury for Caesium+Technetium on a 1-to-1 basis?
Fairly high I would have thought. Join "Pos funtime" channel and spam away.
Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'noob' at will to old ladies. There is a pestilence upon this land. Nothing is sacred. |
Anniken Groltoff
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Posted - 2006.03.25 06:13:00 -
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All raw minerals mined at POS's can be worth a fortune if you turn them into an advanced material. By themselves, it's really not worth it to even mine them.
You have cobalt listed amongst the likes of raw gases value-wise. I could take that cobalt moon and pair it with a cadmium moon and turn that into huge profits.
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Skipsta
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Posted - 2006.03.26 19:07:00 -
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Yeah, but Cobalt is only worth 12 million for a weeks worth. A small POS costs at least 10 million per week to run, therefore you are better off buying the cobalt on the market rather than using a POS to extract it. Of course you could have a POS up on a moon mining something more valuable, and mine the cobalt as a by product. If you are really lucky you could find cobalt and cadmium together on the same moon.
I have caesarium and cadmium on the same moon, which produces caesarium cadmide x 33600 p/w. I doubt I would have bothered to put up seperate POS to make this reaction, but having the two together is great.
This http://eve.stop-clan.de/tools/lookup.php is for the win IMO :)
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pix0r
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Posted - 2006.03.27 12:42:00 -
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u checked my signature Skipsta ? :) Simple & Complex reaction chart - PDF |
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Jevnikar
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Posted - 2006.04.11 20:53:00 -
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those are lovely prices.. if there would be some offer of them now that would probably be too good.. and that's why thay arent
all towers make good profit but thay are all time sinks.
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spyismename
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Posted - 2006.04.12 08:32:00 -
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Quote:
Medium Towers
Can harvest three minerals at a time, Amarr tower can only harvest two at a time.
?? I have Minmatar tower and can only run 2.
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Haas Tabris
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Posted - 2006.04.13 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: KempoKenshi Cheers for the comments.
I actually wanted to set up a 1-to-1 trade of neodynium for thulium, but I might as well could go for mercury What would be my chances for trading Hafnium+Mercury for Caesium+Technetium on a 1-to-1 basis?
I have a small pos mining ceasium right now, if you want to work out a deal, evemail me in game. Looking to unload it for the right price and or other moon material.
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Paari Cuman
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Posted - 2006.04.20 02:06:00 -
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What are the rules for running a POS in empire space? (0.4 and above?)
I know a charter is required. What else? Corp rating?
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Nicodei
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Posted - 2006.04.22 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: Paari Cuman What are the rules for running a POS in empire space? (0.4 and above?)
I know a charter is required. What else? Corp rating?
On top of all of the other costs for running a POS, you also have to supply one charter per hour of operations and have a standing with the faction of 1 per .1 of space. Thus, having a station in 0.5 space requires a standing of at least 5.0 with the faction in question (Amarr, Gallente, Minmatar, Crapdari).
- Nicodei
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Vendrin
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Posted - 2006.04.23 05:53:00 -
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Are the above harvestable moon minerals you listed all directly harvestable or does the list include Reactions? _____________________________________
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Nexus1972
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Posted - 2006.05.31 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Paari Cuman What are the rules for running a POS in empire space? (0.4 and above?)
I know a charter is required. What else? Corp rating?
Also remember in empire you cannot moon-mine
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Xartarous
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Posted - 2006.07.11 22:18:00 -
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Thanks for this guide, it's been a great help to me while in finding a great moon for my next POS. Now to decide whether to get a small or medium tower
God bless ya in the name of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
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Aeaea
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Posted - 2006.07.12 07:33:00 -
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Those prices are quite off unfortunately. Otherwise not a bad guide.
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franny
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Posted - 2006.07.12 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Aeaea Those prices are quite off unfortunately. Otherwise not a bad guide.
note the date on the orginal post the prices are only 3 mths old
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voidvim
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.17 15:20:00 -
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nice guide
but you need to state that large tower can harvest + medium + advanced all at the same time if setup right.
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Technosites
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.07.19 17:32:00 -
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Hi, Is it possible for someone to update the prices a bit for me and others. Its VERY useful information to have if its correct :)
many thanks, Technosites ------------------------------------- "We would change the world, but God wouldn't give us the source code."
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2006.07.19 19:33:00 -
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Dysprosium 10,000 Promethium 5,500 Technetium 5,000 Neodymium 2,500 Mercury 2,000 Caesium 1,800 Hafnium 1,600 Thulium 1,600
And no, I have no idea WTF is up with these prices. Thulium is a rare metal, and Technetium is only a semi-rare, yet worth 3 times as much when it should be worth a quarter as much. Basically Technetium is selling for 12 times what it should (or all the others 1/12 of what they should). Maybe the people with Technetium moons just dont mine it, or dont sell it, even though it is everywhere.
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2006.07.19 21:21:00 -
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Same with Caesium, Hafnium, and Mercury. I guess just no one mines it, even though it is everywhere. And the reverse of Thulium. It's a rare metal but isn't worth crap, no idea whats up with that one though, even if every moon of Thulium was mined it should still be worth more than 2k/u. It's a rare metal.
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Technosites
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.07.20 16:28:00 -
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One question, if i have a moon harvestor I on a SMALL POS, will it give me 100 of what ever mineral i am mining an hour?
Cheers, Technosites ------------------------------------- "We would change the world, but God wouldn't give us the source code."
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Drukhi
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Posted - 2006.07.20 18:48:00 -
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Unfortunately you can't just look at the abundance of a mineral to determine its value. Because the tech 2 chain consists of simple reactions -> complex reactions -> tech 2 components, the demand for a product at each of those steps factors into the equation. My guess with Thulium is that even though it is rare, the demand for the products further up the chain are low, thus no one is willing to pay a high price for the starting material. The opposite probably holds true for Caesium, Mercury, and Halfnium.
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Aldir Rundal
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.21 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Technosites One question, if i have a moon harvestor I on a SMALL POS, will it give me 100 of what ever mineral i am mining an hour?
Cheers, Technosites
Yes. 100 units per hour per moon harvester. This is stated in the beginers guide.
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IronFeather
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:31:00 -
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Ok small ?
If I place 2 moon miners on a POS, can they both mine the same type of mineral, or do they have to be different? |
Technosites
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.07.23 09:40:00 -
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as i belive it they can't mine the same mineral - no matter what abunance.
Technosites ------------------------------------- "We would change the world, but God wouldn't give us the source code."
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Statics
A.W.M
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Posted - 2006.07.23 14:56:00 -
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You can't mine 2 of the same material at a moon until Tech2 Harvesters are made available.
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