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HUGO DRAX
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:33:00 -
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With all the new influx of WoW players, and EQ players who are used to risk free gaming they will eventually outnumber the folks who enjoyed EvE for its realistic PvP risks. These folks will have the power to make EvE into an NPC hunt game where PvP is only available in 0.0 with restrictions. I have noticed more folks whining regarding things being "Unfair" etc.. than ever. What do you think, will the carebears win and the gamecontent change to make them happy as they begin to outnumber the folks initially attracted to EvE? Dont just complain, do something. Channel macrointel meet with likeminded folks, spottings,intel |
Saeris Tal'Urduar
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:35:00 -
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Not a chance, as quoted from more than one Dev.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:36:00 -
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Enough with the "OMG TEH SKY IS FALLING!!1!elevendy!11!" threads.
They can ***** and cry all they want, CCP isn't going to change their game just to keep big numbers, or they'd have dumbed it down to be more appealing to the retard gamers.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve... This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran |
Gonada
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:37:00 -
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carebearss is whats wrong with the world today. kill em all.
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
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Luigi Thirty
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:38:00 -
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Without carebears, who would manufacture your T2 railguns? :)
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Mikkal Inx
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:38:00 -
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Wining is just whining. Tune it out. Eve will never stoop to other "lesser" standards of gaming. Period.
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Dust Angel
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: Luigi Thirty Without carebears, who would manufacture your T2 railguns? :)
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Nimie
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:43:00 -
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many players don't acutally want risk free gaming. they just want it in empire at best. the fight is more or less like pvpers wanting both empire and 0.0 space as warzones and carebears wanting just 0.0 as warzones. is 0.0 so tough or unsatifying in some way that you guys have to take it against weak haulers in empire or somethng?
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: HUGO DRAX With all the new influx of WoW players, and EQ players who are used to risk free gaming they will eventually outnumber the folks who enjoyed EvE for its realistic PvP risks. These folks will have the power to make EvE into an NPC hunt game where PvP is only available in 0.0 with restrictions. I have noticed more folks whining regarding things being "Unfair" etc.. than ever. What do you think, will the carebears win and the gamecontent change to make them happy as they begin to outnumber the folks initially attracted to EvE?
After listening to the dev discussion this afternoon I wouldn't worry about that too much... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
HUGO DRAX
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:49:00 -
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MY definition of a carebear is someone who wants riskfree gaming it does not include folks who are industrialists etc..
I know plenty of folks who are in small corps and never had problems with being wardeced in empire and if you are that afraid of a wardec dont join a corp. There are plenty of folks in NPC corps. Dont just complain, do something. Channel macrointel meet with likeminded folks, spottings,intel |
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Vertical Aim
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Posted - 2006.03.17 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: HUGO DRAX With all the new influx of WoW players, and EQ players who are used to risk free gaming they will eventually outnumber the folks who enjoyed EvE for its realistic PvP risks. These folks will have the power to make EvE into an NPC hunt game where PvP is only available in 0.0 with restrictions. I have noticed more folks whining regarding things being "Unfair" etc.. than ever. What do you think, will the carebears win and the gamecontent change to make them happy as they begin to outnumber the folks initially attracted to EvE?
There are some statements in this post that make no sense to me.
1.) Current system any corp (guild) can declare war on any other no matter size of corps, ok fine but why is a corp with BILLIONS in its pocket paying the same as one with 20 million in its pocket? THIS IS RISK FREE GAMING at its best.
2.) It seems to me that new players are welcomed by CCP as this is the only way they will continue to make a profit, So do you really expect the game to stay EXACTLY the same as when it had 1,000 subscribers and now its pushing 101k?
3.) Wars in empire space is fine but it should depend on each sovereignty to allow you to come into their space with 100 ships and start blowing @#%@! up. Otherwise get rid of sovereignties altogether as they are only set up for cute little fictional storylines.
4.) I've never played EQ I have played wow for like 2 seconds, and I was a long time lineage2 player, NOW that game has RISK as the moment you step out of any town you are free game, its numbers have totally dropped because total anarchy doesnt work in the real or gaming world. To many idiots that will destroy the game for pve and pvpers alike.
5.) I venture to say that most of the new subscribers ccp is ALWAYS boosting about are looking for a good mix of pvp and pve, you need to stop this "carebear" crap because if everyone from WoW and EQ that are carebears starting playing this game the "carebears" would outnumber you 100:1, and beleive it or not money talks much louder than any whiney anticarebear post you or anyone else want to put up.
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Silver Night
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Posted - 2006.03.17 04:08:00 -
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Well, Anyone who doesn't like eve can leave. I've been playing since near the begining as a 'carebear' and everything is fine for me. If you can't deal with the chance of a war dec, stay in the noob corp. This game is at its very basis about PvP. It's not about making it fair so you don't feel threatened, its about people being able to hire a merc corp to put you out of business if youa re thier competiton, ar a pirate corp being able to try and extort money from a fat mining corp in empire with a war.
On the whole 100 man PvP corp declaring on innocent industrialists in empire, or on small corps, its unusual. Why bother? Msot have better things to do. Plus a war between a large corpa nd a small corp almost invariably gives the advantage to the small corp if they don't ahve thier heads in their collective ass. It is actually almost always a small corp declaring on a larger in my experience. I've had 15 man corps dclare on ICT (120-170 members) repeatedly trying to extort money. And thats a facet of the game I value, thier ability ot try, even if we crush them(or at least resist paying them off) for trying it.
As far as I'm concerned, there is nothing wrong with the current mechanics of the corp/war dec/etc system. Feel free and raise points as to whats wrong though, always interested to hear what others might ahve to say. -------------- Director. Caldari Patriot. Murderer of (his own) Frigates. |
Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2006.03.17 04:10:00 -
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I think eve is doing fine, its walking the middle path.
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Vertical Aim
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Posted - 2006.03.17 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: Silver Night Well, Anyone who doesn't like eve can leave. I've been playing since near the begining as a 'carebear' and everything is fine for me. If you can't deal with the chance of a war dec, stay in the noob corp. This game is at its very basis about PvP. It's not about making it fair so you don't feel threatened, its about people being able to hire a merc corp to put you out of business if youa re thier competiton, ar a pirate corp being able to try and extort money from a fat mining corp in empire with a war.
On the whole 100 man PvP corp declaring on innocent industrialists in empire, or on small corps, its unusual. Why bother? Msot have better things to do. Plus a war between a large corpa nd a small corp almost invariably gives the advantage to the small corp if they don't ahve thier heads in their collective ass. It is actually almost always a small corp declaring on a larger in my experience. I've had 15 man corps dclare on ICT (120-170 members) repeatedly trying to extort money. And thats a facet of the game I value, thier ability ot try, even if we crush them(or at least resist paying them off) for trying it.
As far as I'm concerned, there is nothing wrong with the current mechanics of the corp/war dec/etc system. Feel free and raise points as to whats wrong though, always interested to hear what others might ahve to say.
Easy for you to say "just leave" your not the one that will be losing money, CCP will. And eventually it will get so costly that things will be looked at the investors will be sure of that
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2006.03.17 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dust Angel
Originally by: Luigi Thirty Without carebears, who would manufacture your T2 railguns? :)
NAGA
NAGA is there to cater to the carebear PvPer.
Remind me about The Maze.
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Silver Night
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Posted - 2006.03.17 04:20:00 -
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Edited by: Silver Night on 17/03/2006 04:25:16 Edited by: Silver Night on 17/03/2006 04:24:12 Edited by: Silver Night on 17/03/2006 04:22:56 They ahve paid off thier investors already. And are a privately held company. Also they already have surpassed thier projected profits etc. And like I said (Though in my edit, im afraid) you can carebear if you want. PvP doesn't need changing. If youa re afraid of war decs, call ina merc corp. You know, I don't actually see all that many people leaving eh? Its a niche sort of game. Like I said, I'm not a PvPer. I've only shot at a few players in my entire tenure in game. But i manage jsut fine. Its not WOW, its not EQ, and its not L2. Its Eve, and the system you attack is the basis of what it is. Its what the game is about. So yes, if you dont' like it, leave.
And anothe Edit: If they wanted to cater to the "Elf n the woods crying abotu how everyone's sword is bigger than thiers" crowd. They would have. Eve is different. The Dev's actually care about the game. And there are plenty of games for that crowd already, they don't need another one. On the other hand, those of us who enjoy Eve don't ahve any other options. Cause, you know, if there was enough extra awesome int eh world for another Eve-like game, the planet might well explode.
Edit2: and that would be a drag. Edit3: Cause I wouldn't be abel to play Eve anymore. And yes, I know my typing is horrible. Yet another hardship you ahve to endure in connection wiht this game. I weep for you. Really. -------------- Director. Caldari Patriot. Murderer of (his own) Frigates. |
Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.03.17 05:21:00 -
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Originally by: Vertical Aim
Originally by: Silver Night Well, Anyone who doesn't like eve can leave. I've been playing since near the begining as a 'carebear' and everything is fine for me. If you can't deal with the chance of a war dec, stay in the noob corp. This game is at its very basis about PvP. It's not about making it fair so you don't feel threatened, its about people being able to hire a merc corp to put you out of business if youa re thier competiton, ar a pirate corp being able to try and extort money from a fat mining corp in empire with a war.
On the whole 100 man PvP corp declaring on innocent industrialists in empire, or on small corps, its unusual. Why bother? Msot have better things to do. Plus a war between a large corpa nd a small corp almost invariably gives the advantage to the small corp if they don't ahve thier heads in their collective ass. It is actually almost always a small corp declaring on a larger in my experience. I've had 15 man corps dclare on ICT (120-170 members) repeatedly trying to extort money. And thats a facet of the game I value, thier ability ot try, even if we crush them(or at least resist paying them off) for trying it.
As far as I'm concerned, there is nothing wrong with the current mechanics of the corp/war dec/etc system. Feel free and raise points as to whats wrong though, always interested to hear what others might ahve to say.
Easy for you to say "just leave" your not the one that will be losing money, CCP will. And eventually it will get so costly that things will be looked at the investors will be sure of that
I know plenty of guys in Eve who never set foot in low sec and have never been war decced. They are quite happy doing what they are doing and accept there are things like Dreads they will never get to fly unless they move to low sec. They have adapted to Eve and accepted it for what it is.
There are also a few who refused to adapt and they have left Eve, despite this Eve grows and continues to break records.
Adapt or leave, Eve will not stop being PvP centric just because you don't like it no matter how much you whine. Read up on some dev responses in other threads.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2006.03.17 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Vertical Aim 1.) Current system any corp (guild) can declare war on any other no matter size of corps, ok fine but why is a corp with BILLIONS in its pocket paying the same as one with 20 million in its pocket?
Aye.
This situation is completely ridiculous. I mean, imagine for example that at McDonalds they charged me exactly the same amount for a Big Mac as they would charge, say, Bill Gates; that would be totally....
eh... wait, never mind...
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.03.17 05:38:00 -
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hey it's pvpers who keep whining all the time .. remove instas, boost pirates, nerf freighters, whaa whaa whaa
carebers are just counter-whining here :)
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.03.17 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: HUGO DRAX These folks will have the power to make EvE into an NPC hunt game where PvP is only available in 0.0 with restrictions.
This. I challenge this initial assumption. Although it's true of some MMOs, Eve does not bend to the will of the players or lean power, in the name of balance, in the favour of the people who complain the most.
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Precusor
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Posted - 2006.03.17 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: Vertical Aim
Originally by: Silver Night Well, Anyone who doesn't like eve can leave. I've been playing since near the begining as a 'carebear' and everything is fine for me. If you can't deal with the chance of a war dec, stay in the noob corp. This game is at its very basis about PvP. It's not about making it fair so you don't feel threatened, its about people being able to hire a merc corp to put you out of business if youa re thier competiton, ar a pirate corp being able to try and extort money from a fat mining corp in empire with a war.
On the whole 100 man PvP corp declaring on innocent industrialists in empire, or on small corps, its unusual. Why bother? Msot have better things to do. Plus a war between a large corpa nd a small corp almost invariably gives the advantage to the small corp if they don't ahve thier heads in their collective ass. It is actually almost always a small corp declaring on a larger in my experience. I've had 15 man corps dclare on ICT (120-170 members) repeatedly trying to extort money. And thats a facet of the game I value, thier ability ot try, even if we crush them(or at least resist paying them off) for trying it.
As far as I'm concerned, there is nothing wrong with the current mechanics of the corp/war dec/etc system. Feel free and raise points as to whats wrong though, always interested to hear what others might ahve to say.
Easy for you to say "just leave" your not the one that will be losing money, CCP will. And eventually it will get so costly that things will be looked at the investors will be sure of that
Doubt that would be the case.. seeing as CCP has allready paid there investors off.. plus
CCP has a very strong and loyal fan base
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Nimie
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Posted - 2006.03.17 06:24:00 -
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Edited by: Nimie on 17/03/2006 06:25:36
Originally by: Herko Kerghans
Originally by: Vertical Aim 1.) Current system any corp (guild) can declare war on any other no matter size of corps, ok fine but why is a corp with BILLIONS in its pocket paying the same as one with 20 million in its pocket?
Aye.
This situation is completely ridiculous. I mean, imagine for example that at McDonalds they charged me exactly the same amount for a Big Mac as they would charge, say, Bill Gates; that would be totally....
eh... wait, never mind...
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a little off. mcdonalds sells big macs for money. npcs war fees are suppose to be an entry barrier to war since they have no need for money. that barrier mostly dissapears as corps gets bigger.
anyhows, i think ccps choice, should those things happens, is a happier(?) playerbase or shiny expensive cars. i wonder what they'll do.
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Topodo
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Posted - 2006.03.17 06:25:00 -
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If previous experience holds true, the only way we have to worry about EVE getting ruined by player majority is if some bigwig publishing company comes in, takes ownership of EVE, walks into a board meeting, rubs their hands together and says, "Ok, let's figure out how to make this game REALLY successful..."
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Hesed
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Posted - 2006.03.17 06:29:00 -
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The can nerf us all they wish.
We will still find a way to make you cry.
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Da Death
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Posted - 2006.03.17 06:31:00 -
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RUSH is what we need PvP gives us RUSH. RUSH won't die! RUSH 4tw!
Selling: Absolution - Curse - Gleam S - BPC's - check my bio
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Jaddor
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Posted - 2006.03.17 06:35:00 -
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There is a reason people are leaving games like WoW for EvE and its not the missions.
Nerfing PvP in eve would destroy its one true nitch.
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Nimie
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Posted - 2006.03.17 07:00:00 -
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i belive eve's charm point is that it let's you do almost everything. pvp isn't all there is to this game and i belive it will truly be ruined when it forces everyone to pvp.
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Emmerich Steiner
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Posted - 2006.03.17 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Vertical Aim
Easy for you to say "just leave" your not the one that will be losing money, CCP will. And eventually it will get so costly that things will be looked at the investors will be sure of that
You are free to leave if you don't like the game.. Just make sure you tell me first and give me another excuse to pick up another account... Wee need to make sure Ovuer is well supplied with Booze and Blow up dolls :D
Eve-Online hold a niche market, the people who play this game like the way it is "in a general sense". And from the beat of the drum from the dev's it's going to keep this pace. They are not going to dumb it down into space-WOW so they can make extra revenue.
And I severaly doubt carebears will ever outnumber us "non-carebears"... As most people feel the need to use force to solve problems at some point in time. Real carebears are the whiney people who complain about how the game doesn't protect them from risk... and if you look at it there are not too many (they are just extremely vocal).
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Emmerich Steiner
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Posted - 2006.03.17 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: Murukan you ever stop to realize that many of the WoW players (well atleast for me) came here cause we didn't want such a linear game and considering pvp in WoW might be one of the most retarded systems every (considering it is just another form of farming)
Yeah, I stopped playing eve for a bit (kept triang skills though :D) for wow... And as soon as I realized that the rush from PvP in WOW was almost non-existant I dumped it and came back.
When there is no RISK, there is no POINT!
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.17 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: HUGO DRAX With all the new influx of WoW players, and EQ players who are used to risk free gaming they will eventually outnumber the folks who enjoyed EvE for its realistic PvP risks. These folks will have the power to make EvE into an NPC hunt game where PvP is only available in 0.0 with restrictions. I have noticed more folks whining regarding things being "Unfair" etc.. than ever. What do you think, will the carebears win and the gamecontent change to make them happy as they begin to outnumber the folks initially attracted to EvE?
I and many came from SWG lovin eve's pvp heck if this game wasnt this pvp driven I wouldnt be here. Also know of ppl from EQ2 etc that came to this game for the pvp and "risky" gameplay. Bottomline if they cant take it they would have left ppl still staying in the game and hating it (general game mechanics) are few and a bunch of nubs...
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Jack Rippster
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Posted - 2006.03.17 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: HUGO DRAX With all the new influx of WoW players, and EQ players who are used to risk free gaming they will eventually outnumber the folks who enjoyed EvE for its realistic PvP risks. These folks will have the power to make EvE into an NPC hunt game where PvP is only available in 0.0 with restrictions. I have noticed more folks whining regarding things being "Unfair" etc.. than ever. What do you think, will the carebears win and the gamecontent change to make them happy as they begin to outnumber the folks initially attracted to EvE?
Ans you think these folks are carebears such as your self?
haha keep dreaming pal
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Sirilonwe
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Posted - 2006.03.17 08:36:00 -
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CCP will never remove PVP from EVE. If they'd wanted a game for the masses they would have do so in the beginning. Not now, that they have a solid basis of players which feeds them. Remember, they do this game because it was a dream, not to make a shyt load of money. If they really wanted to do only money, they would have done "World of Everquest" or something like this. ____________________________________ Free ISP users, read this if you have connections problems [b]I'm on Eris side! |
Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.17 08:38:00 -
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hehhe phantasy star online perhaps?
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Hohenheim OfLight
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Posted - 2006.03.17 08:55:00 -
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just one thing to all the people who say that cpp wount get $$ in their eye's and change, we are talking about the company here who are going to back up their homes and move to another country to pay less tax.
If their willing to leave their home land and friends to pay less tax their willing to do any thing for $$. ----------------------------------------------
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.17 08:59:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Juri on 17/03/2006 08:59:51
Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight just one thing to all the people who say that cpp wount get $$ in their eye's and change, we are talking about the company here who are going to back up their homes and move to another country to pay less tax.
If their willing to leave their home land and friends to pay less tax their willing to do any thing for $$.
wow your askin for a flame you prolly couldnt be more wrong and comparin' the 2 and saying "leave there homeland" ouch your comments hurt me and other ppl on so many lvl's, its the 21st century m8 get updated
announcementflying aircrafts exists they will allow you to fly from iceland to england and everywhere in a matter of 1-2hours
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Sharcy
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Posted - 2006.03.17 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: HUGO DRAX I have noticed more folks whining regarding things being "Unfair" etc.. than ever.
That's funny, I find that the most whining comes from PvP-ers...
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Kryss Darkdust
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Posted - 2006.03.17 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: HUGO DRAX With all the new influx of WoW players, and EQ players who are used to risk free gaming they will eventually outnumber the folks who enjoyed EvE for its realistic PvP risks. These folks will have the power to make EvE into an NPC hunt game where PvP is only available in 0.0 with restrictions. I have noticed more folks whining regarding things being "Unfair" etc.. than ever. What do you think, will the carebears win and the gamecontent change to make them happy as they begin to outnumber the folks initially attracted to EvE?
I can assure you with 100% certainty that not only will this never happen its more likely that pirating and PvP will get even greater support and being a carebear is going to get tougher and tougher. The Devs and Designers are all a bunch of drunk icelanders that designed this game so they themselves could gank carebears.
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franny
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Posted - 2006.03.17 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: HUGO DRAX and EQ players who are used to risk free gaming
I resent that comment Rallos Zek(the lootable PVP server there) for about 5yrs as a chanter my choices were die, run away screaming, or die(not quite, but close) (I actually had a DAOC player try to get me to switch a long time ago because it had realm PVP, when I asked why drop to realm he asked me which server I played, I responded Rallos, he said nevermind)
I might be to nice to be a pirate but without pvp I get bored quick I just wish I found EVE about 2 yrs earlier ----------- /wtb Eris in a cage Sorry, she's not for sale. You can get Imaran for free though - Wrangler can I at least get someone decent? Sure, I'll let you know when I find one - Wrangler |
Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.03.17 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Luigi Thirty Without carebears, who would manufacture your T2 railguns? :)
Me. And I'm no carebear
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.03.17 09:47:00 -
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Its unbelieveable how many people who call "balancing threads" for whinning...
Its simply pathetic.. all you do is saying "OMGGETOVERITROFLLAMERS!!111", how about you spend some time telling the "OmgIWantaPVEServerOnly!111"-people to shut up, instead of telling the people who are discussing balancing issues to shut up.
Non of youre usual crap is at any use and are not constructive at all.
And no, EvE will not change because of the massive amount of mmorpg players from WoW are comming to EvE.. Im 101% sure of that.. No Dev would want that.
/Mav
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.17 09:48:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Juri on 17/03/2006 09:49:23 well for defence on that is ppl crying "balance, balance!" most of em dont realise that it is allready balanced atleast on what they claim is unbalanced!
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Hans Otto
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Posted - 2006.03.17 09:50:00 -
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Why do people think CCP would make more money if they would change what has made EVE so popular in the first place?
There is absolutely no guarantee they would be successful if they decided to drastically change EVE. Just because there are very successful "care bear" MMOs out there doesn't mean EVE would be one of them if CCP decided to take that route. It could very well backfire and lead to ruin for them.
They have got something great going here. They are making a game the way they want it to be and it is steadily growing and is more popular than ever. Why would they change what they are doing?
I could see them changing the direction of EVE if they had been losing subscribers, but now? It would make no sense.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.17 09:54:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Juri on 17/03/2006 09:54:50
Originally by: Hans Otto Why do people think CCP would make more money if they would change what has made EVE so popular in the first place?
There is absolutely no guarantee they would be successful if they decided to drastically change EVE. Just because there are very successful "care bear" MMOs out there doesn't mean EVE would be one of them if CCP decided to take that route. It could very well backfire and lead to ruin for them.
They have got something great going here. They are making a game the way they want it to be and it is steadily growing and is more popular than ever. Why would they change what they are doing?
I could see them changing the direction of EVE if they had been losing subscribers, but now? It would make no sense.
look at SOE when they changed Star Wars Galaxies to what all forum crying nerf wanting anti pvp ppl wanted! everyone left all those anti pvp ppl never stayed nooone liked the game. Conclusion ppl get ganked come here cry (if game changes to what they want) they realise it sux and they have nothing to get excited about and all leave...
thats what happens when you let new ppl and ppl thgat sux cry about balancing/nerfing and let ppl that dont even have the game comment on what would make em buy it!
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.03.17 09:57:00 -
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HUGO, can you try being less of a nub sometimes
Population pressure won't change CCP's ideas much. It'll make them wonder why they're attracting all the wrong people to their game.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.17 09:59:00 -
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yeah ppl just dont read the cover before buying the game I read all forums watched video's read faq's guides and features on this site etc. Now that I got the game I love it I know what I got into, I knew what I paid for ppl need to "read the cover"
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Hohenheim OfLight
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Posted - 2006.03.17 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Juri Edited by: Sir Juri on 17/03/2006 snip
I know their are plains but to claim tax befits they seek where every they move to depending on the country, some of them will requir them to live there for 8 months of the year, if not longer.
Your argoument that they will be poping home every day is not a vald one.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.17 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight
Originally by: Sir Juri Edited by: Sir Juri on 17/03/2006 snip
I know their are plains but to claim tax befits they seek where every they move to depending on the country, some of them will requir them to live there for 8 months of the year, if not longer.
Your argoument that they will be poping home every day is not a vald one.
rofl what? first of you need to learn the laws/regulations for "traveling" lol in EU! and eurupoe if your not from here this is not USA to Mexico m8! so valid or not WHAT!? jesus if they do it or not who knows but saying theyll leave abondon there family/friends and homeland is WAY WRONG! thats an attack on the dev's character and doesnt belong on the forums in the first place and I bet the statement is WRONG!!! and that you argue this makes no sense whatsoever m8 AT ALL!
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2006.03.17 10:13:00 -
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As long guns/missiles/smartbombs/drones do hurt another players ship there will be PVP in EVE. The question is only: will it be a good PVP-game?
I want to add my opinion: PVP players are faithfull players. They might stay in EVE for years. A standard industrial player that is only interested in PVE will love EVE when he starts gaming. Then after he "worked" for months or maybe even years he will fe fed with the PVE content. HeŚll have tons of stuff, is extremly rich ingame and now will get boredoomed.
The only way to get faithfull players in a MMOG is PVP. Hate for example makes people stay very long. So does friendship. PVPers develop strong friendships in this game when they fight hard battles together - comparable to the spirit of soldiers. Challange is the strongest reason to stay in EVE - the challange of real human enemys that think and trick you.
If CCP wants my advice to this: dont care about all the PVE folks. They suscribe, play a while and then byebye. You can make it easy for them or hard, theyŚll leave anyway. CCPs PVPers are the persons that feed CCP for years and they are the people that write the real EVE story. They create real events like the Yulai incident or alliance wars. They create perfect marketing for CCP when they release their player made fraps videos. They keep EVE alive.
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Stig Caldar
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Posted - 2006.03.17 10:22:00 -
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More players = more targets
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Drazys
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Posted - 2006.03.17 11:15:00 -
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Feh, cut the hypocritical "PvPers/Carebears"- dualism already. Some of the worst whining about CCP to change things "for sake of balance" and some of the worst PvP-risk-avoiding comes from ganker-types themselves.
Eve is a PvP game and I wouldn't keep playing if it was something else, yet PvP at Eve comes in many more forms than just the blatant frag-fest that some people seem to think is the only form of PvP. Ganking X defenseless targets while avoiding anything that could be even remotely dangerous at PvP does not make one a "cool scary elite pirate" but just another form of "carebear" and nothing else.
Same standards apply to all pilots equally, avoiding risks is avoiding risks no matter who the pilot is or what he/she has done.
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O Thief
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Posted - 2006.03.17 11:31:00 -
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I'm very confident that the Devs will stay true to their beliefs in terms of keeping this game raw and PvP focused (not just in combat terms, but all aspects of player driven competition).
However, when CCP has grown and the prospect of a stock floatation causes the $$ signs to flash in their eyes... well thats a different matter altogether.
The lure of $$$$$ can corrupt even the most noble of intentions.
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Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2006.03.17 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: HUGO DRAX With all the new influx of WoW players, and EQ players who are used to risk free gaming they will eventually outnumber the folks who enjoyed EvE for its realistic PvP risks. These folks will have the power to make EvE into an NPC hunt game where PvP is only available in 0.0 with restrictions. I have noticed more folks whining regarding things being "Unfair" etc.. than ever. What do you think, will the carebears win and the gamecontent change to make them happy as they begin to outnumber the folks initially attracted to EvE?
Hugo, where have you been? You PvP players have been outnumbered from the get go.
Where are all the players at? Thousands are in "safe" space not wanting to... A. Engage in combative PVP B. Get ganked by a gate camp C. Are really watching t.v. while their ships are busy minning away.
PVE players already outnumber PVP players 10-1.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.03.17 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 17/03/2006 11:46:06
Originally by: Roshan longshot PVE players already outnumber PVP players 10-1.
No no.
Non-cambat preferring pvp players outnumber combat-preferring pvp players 10:1 maybe. True pve players are alot rarer, and tbh it's discutable that there are any at all.
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Ilmonstre
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Posted - 2006.03.17 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Da Death RUSH is what we need PvP gives us RUSH. RUSH won't die! RUSH 4tw!
so you are a big supporter of this corp and are saying hte russians will always be here
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2006.03.17 11:51:00 -
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There has always been more carebears than PvP'ers in EVE...
Nothing will ever change that...
Either these new players will find a place in the game, or move on. In the process EVE may change many of these players to accept the harshness in PVP and they will be better gamers for it.
The ones who leave will always find MMO's out there to suit their needs as pure PVE or consentual PVP players... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.17 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Usul Faust on 17/03/2006 11:57:06
Originally by: Jaddor There is a reason people are leaving games like WoW for EvE and its not the missions.
Nerfing PvP in eve would destroy its one true nitch.
Actually, Its because you eventually run out of stuff to do in WoW.
After 7 months of playing WoW (6 of those at 60) i'd done everything it was possible to do in the game - except get Warlord pvp rank, but i just dodn't have enough time to go pro. When there's nothing left to do, you find somethign else to do.
In Eve there's no mission structure or anything (agent missions just don't count, frankly) so you can keep finding new stuff to do forever. that's the difference.
EDIT: and the pvp in WoW is great. have you even played it?
no skills, just luck.
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Argyll MacLeod
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Posted - 2006.03.17 12:04:00 -
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OMG!!! I won't be able to gate-camp frigates on my BC!!!
Cry me a river!!!! Most of you "hardcores" only PVP when the chips are stacked in your favor. Even though the game mechanics are not gonna change, you whine even worse than carebears.
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Arduinne
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Posted - 2006.03.17 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: Arduinne on 17/03/2006 12:16:46 Maybe a PVP free region, but i doubt it
Good way to root out the macro miners
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.17 12:15:00 -
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.... /yawns* *give's up on nubblets!
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Niccolado Starwalker
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Posted - 2006.03.17 12:17:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 17/03/2006 12:19:10
Originally by: Gonada carebearss is whats wrong with the world today. kill em all.
Gonada, in some ways you can call me a Carebear since I prefer PvE. But that does not mean I will scream about having EVE nerfed! TBH. I really really love EVE and the way it works. And maybe, one day, I will learn to love PvP too.
When it comes to the game. I doubt that EVE Dev Team will be so stupid to hit on the "oh nerf the game" wagon, from the new players. Theres many reasons for it, and the most weighty one is this: This game have exsisted for 3 years now, and the game still grews in size every day, while the other games, who have listened to thsese people, Like SOE, Now looses more and more players!
If someone dont like this game, which I do respect ofcource, then they should find a game you like, instead of wasting their energy crying for nerfs.
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Chrysos
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Posted - 2006.03.17 12:26:00 -
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Fair enough you have to listen to your customers, that doesn't mean you have to cave in to every little demand. Too many games are trying to be attractive to too wide a spectrum of players. The 'we have to attract the casual gamer at all costs' mentality has probably resulted in a lot of average gameplay designed to appeal to everybody and not satisfying anybody. We need dev's to pick a concept, create the game and stay true to their concept. I'm new to Eve but it looks like they have a good concept, changing it because new players complain will not a better game make.
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Asenathi
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Posted - 2006.03.17 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: HUGO DRAX With all the new influx of WoW players, and EQ players who are used to risk free gaming they will eventually outnumber the folks who enjoyed EvE for its realistic PvP risks. These folks will have the power to make EvE into an NPC hunt game where PvP is only available in 0.0 with restrictions. I have noticed more folks whining regarding things being "Unfair" etc.. than ever. What do you think, will the carebears win and the gamecontent change to make them happy as they begin to outnumber the folks initially attracted to EvE?
Here is my solution, and ohhhhh, how many of you will hate it! :) CCP...change only 1 thing.
THE ONE CHANGE TO BRING EVE INTO PERFECTION:
As it is, there is very little consequence for being a criminal (neg sec rating) in Eve. All a pirate player has to do is make an alt character and they have access to empire space to get equipement and ferry it back out to their criminal character.
FIX: Only allow 1 character per account!!! This way, when someone gets that massive negative security rating, they will truely have to live with the consequences versus just logging in with an alt and ferrying equipment around for their secret demon.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.17 12:29:00 -
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hehhe hmm I cant afford a second account... making sure others cant dont know if I like that or agree theres no penalty even with an alt!
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Constantine Arcanum
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Posted - 2006.03.17 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Argyll MacLeod
Cry me a river!!!! Most of you "hardcores" only PVP when the chips are stacked in your favor. Even though the game mechanics are not gonna change, you whine even worse than carebears.
Of course I only PvP when I think I can win. That's part of the point of piracy. Doy! ...And I don't consider myself a whiner. ----------------------------------------------- Guys, we win some and we lose some, but please, can we win this one? THIS SIG R UNHACKABLE
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Da Death
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Posted - 2006.03.17 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jaddor There is a reason people are leaving games like WoW for EvE and its not the missions.
Nerfing PvP in eve would destroy its one true nitch.
people who like to hit 1000 times a npc to lvl up and are happy with that, well, we cant help them, there is no medicine against monotony.
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Berak FalCheran
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Posted - 2006.03.17 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Nimie many players don't acutally want risk free gaming. they just want it in empire at best. the fight is more or less like pvpers wanting both empire and 0.0 space as warzones and carebears wanting just 0.0 as warzones. is 0.0 so tough or unsatifying in some way that you guys have to take it against weak haulers in empire or somethng?
please don't forget about low-sec. it's way more exciting then 0.0 and empire combined.
In short: Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.
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Berak FalCheran
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Posted - 2006.03.17 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Asenathi
Originally by: HUGO DRAX With all the new influx of WoW players, and EQ players who are used to risk free gaming they will eventually outnumber the folks who enjoyed EvE for its realistic PvP risks. These folks will have the power to make EvE into an NPC hunt game where PvP is only available in 0.0 with restrictions. I have noticed more folks whining regarding things being "Unfair" etc.. than ever. What do you think, will the carebears win and the gamecontent change to make them happy as they begin to outnumber the folks initially attracted to EvE?
Here is my solution, and ohhhhh, how many of you will hate it! :) CCP...change only 1 thing.
THE ONE CHANGE TO BRING EVE INTO PERFECTION:
As it is, there is very little consequence for being a criminal (neg sec rating) in Eve. All a pirate player has to do is make an alt character and they have access to empire space to get equipement and ferry it back out to their criminal character.
FIX: Only allow 1 character per account!!! This way, when someone gets that massive negative security rating, they will truely have to live with the consequences versus just logging in with an alt and ferrying equipment around for their secret demon.
my alt is on another account.
and you, are an idiot.
In short: Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.
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Clan MacGregor
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Posted - 2006.03.17 19:26:00 -
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There is a reason that people leave WoW and EQ, and it is not because of the heart pounding game play. They come to EVE to fight and win.
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Rutoo
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Posted - 2006.03.17 19:26:00 -
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my alt also is on another accout, well couple accounts
i think when i get my sec up i am going to wardec people who mine in jita ________________________________ Club Seals Not Sandwichs |
Clan Chief
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Posted - 2006.03.17 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Rutoo my alt also is on another accout, well couple accounts
i think when i get my sec up i am going to wardec people who mine in jita
Why Wait?
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Jimmy Phelan
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Posted - 2006.03.17 20:05:00 -
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Don't know and have no opinion on the matter.
I'm jumping ship this weekend anyway.
At least I lasted in Eve longer than I did in SWG. I wish I could've figured out I didn't like EQ2 before funding them.
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Mrmuttley
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Posted - 2006.03.17 20:07:00 -
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Remember that horrible sinking feeling the first time you realised your ship wasn't going to make it out?
Probably got that with the first time you lost a Frigate and the first Cruiser / BS / Factrion BS if your that rich. Lets you know your still alive and that the loss actually meant something. There is a handful of corps / pilots who loisng a fully kitted Fleet Tempest with all the gear on it would not be a significant loss. The rest of us have to tread carefully so as to minimize our losses.
Now lets take the opposite end of the spectrun. Counterstrike. No risk other than personal stats every weapon is within reach in the space of 15 mins and if you get killed dont worry the game resets in 5 minutes anyway. Fun for a bit but would i play it for two years almost every day? Err no i would not.
Eve appeals to different types of player I have a few RL freinds who play and enjoy the game. I also have several RL freinds who have tried it and said Eve was not for them. Each to their own.
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Acheron Cyc
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Posted - 2006.03.17 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: HUGO DRAX MY definition of a carebear is someone who wants riskfree gaming it does not include folks who are industrialists etc..
I know plenty of folks who are in small corps and never had problems with being wardeced in empire and if you are that afraid of a wardec dont join a corp. There are plenty of folks in NPC corps.
The problem with that then is that you are going to see people whinning about how "people shouldn't be allowed to stay more than a month in an NPC corp".
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000Hunter000
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Posted - 2006.03.17 21:25:00 -
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always treading on dangerous ground here, but wth, i've done it before.
my ideas... nerf pvp as it is now untill were are all happy little carebears??? ugh!! the idea alone sends cold shivvers up my spine!! NO WAY!!! But that doesn't mean i'm happy with ALL the features of the current pvp structure, i'm still upset about things like big corps wardec'ing small noob corps just cuz they can and stuff like that, allthough i realize it might be hard to actually change stuff like that and in that case, no change is better then the wrong change (aka stuff like no more corpwar in empire at all, that would suck just as bad!)
No, if eve would turn into a complete carebear game it would die real quick, but on the other hand, if it would turn into a complete pvp game that woulds suck just as bad imo, so atm, i'd say keep it as it is, if u can't change it for the better, don't change it at all.
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Demangel
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Posted - 2006.03.18 01:03:00 -
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So... Lets see here...
CCP more PVE friendly?
I think CCP remembers what happened to another space game that was like that, a game that had all the major bucks, had all the better publicity... And to those who liked it, could arguably be called a good game also... But i think what they remember most of all, beyond the competition it brought, was the huge influx in new players came surging into EVE, creating one of the first population explosion situations CCP had to deal with...
The game I refer to is Earth and Beyond, a game that for various reasons (admitedly not all of which having to do with the games features or customer complaints), never got off the ground. I know a lot of folks who have stayed in EVE following thier migration here, and I know a lot of folks who migrated here from the others...
CCP has something these other wannabee "Me too" grind sims will always lack, a true niche to exploit...
The comment about the ferari company suddenly making economy shoeboxes IMHO is by far the best example of why CCP will NOT change EVE to suit the vocal arrogent, and every bit as imature and selfish carebear whiners, any time in the near future. Sure who knows, five year down the road, but as for the imediate future? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
To be honest and fair, I play with all kinds of people, from peaceful industrialists, to hardcore PVP'ers, and find I like everyone about the same, and everyone likes me.
I am not the type to arbitrarily judge whole swaths of the player base just because they prefer to look at the factory tab, while I prefer to look at my ship splatting some one elses...
I have no greater (EVE bound) respect than i have for those industrialists who, for no other reason than because it's the "right" or "Nice" thing to do for the corp or thier friends, put down thier blueprints, and thier minerals, fit out a noobishly fitted ship of choice, and cheerfully risk it all with humility and wit. I would only hope that should I try the same (Ie put down my TII guns, and pick up a BPO and start industrialing), that I can be so noble as they.
I have no respect whatsoever for those hypocrits who would dare judge me, and the wonderful, mature adult minded people who I play with in my alliance out in 0.0, even though the occasional little bratty griefer can be found in our ranks, IMHO the number of truly amazing people you meet at this mature level of the game, is what really makes it worth playing.
So to all you carebears (not peaceful industrialists, because most of you get it, and you know who you are, and your not carebears IMHO), who think you somehow have any say in anything CCP does with thier game, can suck my mini trouser thorax, and know that you are the truly offensive and childish worms of the gaming industry. I would rather suffer the witless indecency of a hundred PVP griefers exploiting a thousand broken game mechanics, than ever have any of you shower me with a million false kindnesses... You make me sick, and you probably make yourself sick as well, but have nerfed your own sense of self awareness to be able to tell...
You HAVE your games, and you HAD a game set in space more like you wanted, yet you came here... here to EVE, a game built for the niche market that has brought it such success... I don't care if there are more of you playing EVE than us so called hardcore PVP'ers, because the simple fact of the matter is, not all of you people in empire really have a problem with us, or PVP, or that PVP is a main element of EVE. Only a handful of whiny vocal misfit holier than thou judgemental hypocrits really have a problem with PVP... and guess what? YOU are the minority here... Not the PVP'ers, because not all industrialists are carebear fanatics like you... Get over yourself and your propaganda... and go somewhere else where people like you belong. Like your moms basement... and stop trying to **** in everyone elses pool.
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Torze
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Posted - 2006.03.18 02:01:00 -
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The only 'nerf' that I would like to see is for people not to be allowed to use NPC corps as a shield. CCP needs to develop some way of fixing that exploit. Empire NPC corps would not tolerate certain behavior. Either have them kick out players that hit below a certain security tab and have concord come at them for even opening someone else's containers (preventing the suicide attacks) I am all for PvP and I'm all for allowing people to choose to be carebears. But, I am not up for the exploitation of rules that some people use to justify PvP without any chance of retaliation.
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