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Tripoli
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Posted - 2006.03.18 07:22:00 -
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Rather than reading and replying constantly to that other thread, I decided to make my own. I'm feeling like being a little controversial, and I'm so bored I finally decided to type this all out.
OK, so there are a million and one reasons why CCP never should have made learning skills and especially advanced learning skills. Old news. WhatÆs done is done. Suggestions have been made as to what to do about it. None of them (that I've read, anyways) are good suggestions.
Here is the solution. Most of you will absolutely hate it and think IÆm nuts. YouÆre only half right. 
Add more learning skills.
ôWTF?!?!ö you so kindly ask. Well, have you not read this? Yes, thatÆs over 5 + years to pay off training all 5 currently non-existent ôEliteö learning skills to their top levels. ThatÆs over a year of payoff time for each attribute!
Can you make that sound any more ridiculous?? Heck, if anyone can, I can. By the time youÆre done training those skills, youÆd have 11,776,000 skill points invested in Learning skills (assuming the Elite skills are Rank 5). But you would have spent something on the order of 7 months training those skills! 7 months!!! You know what you can do with seven months of additional training? Well, Battleship level 5 rings a bellààFOUR TIMES. Or how about Battleship 5, large turret 5, surgical strike 5, large turret specialization 5 and maybe a few other goodies to boot? Guns not your thing? RPM 5, and 6 different R&D skills to level 5. Or how about a Hulkà.FULLY outfitted. You get the idea.
Okay, okay, so Deileon would be quick to remind me that the training time for that last level of the 5 Elite learning skills is only around 2 + months. DonÆt play that game with me!  Wanna raise the stakes even more???
Add even more learning skills.
Yes, you heard me right. MORE learning skills, beyond even the Elite skills weÆve dreamed of (whether they were good dreams or bad dreams). I hereby declare these skills shall henceforth be called the Uber Learning Skills, which shall be Rank 8. The Rank 12 Omega Learning Skills are something best saved for later discussion.
So who here can resist the opportunity to see just what exactly the payoff time would be for the uber learning skills? Fear not. IÆve done the math (obviously). ItÆs more than 9 + years!!!
Yet, some people would actually take the time to train this. I, uh, couldnÆt name anyone off the top of my head, but for some reason the CEO of a certain corporation named XenTech might just be crazy enough to do it. Can you even imagine how far behind in training heÆd be by then? LOL. 
Okay, okay, so whatÆs my point? This is it: The more learning skills there are, the less obligated players will feel to train them. WhatÆs done is done. The advanced learning skills are here to stay. I offer my solution to your problem. Thank you. Have a nice day.
This ought to be interesting.....
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.03.18 07:35:00 -
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I know you know your stuff when it comes to skills so I'll be short.
Attribute boosters.
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.03.18 07:45:00 -
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Tripoli strikes again ^^
 Originally by: Oveur
****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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Tripoli
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Posted - 2006.03.18 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
I know you know your stuff when it comes to skills so I'll be short.
Attribute boosters.
God, can you imagine the math people will make me do then? 
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.03.18 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tripoli
Originally by: Nyphur
I know you know your stuff when it comes to skills so I'll be short.
Attribute boosters.
God, can you imagine the math people will make me do then?
admit it, you cant wait to do the maths for it
Originally by: Oveur
****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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Going commando
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Posted - 2006.03.18 10:55:00 -
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EVE WOULD BE BETTER IF YOU WENT OUTSIDE ONCE THEN A WHILE. NO LIFE!
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Going commando
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Posted - 2006.03.18 10:55:00 -
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EVE WOULD BE BETTER IF YOU WENT OUTSIDE ONCE THEN A WHILE. NO LIFE!
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Going commando
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Posted - 2006.03.18 10:56:00 -
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HOW THE HELL IS GOING TO READ THAT SHNIT? IM NOT.
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Ralitge boyter
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Posted - 2006.03.18 11:10:00 -
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Tripoli is at it again... First asking for the Elite skill now for the next step Uber and Omega skills...
Then again, why not? It would mean that people who are willing to spend the training time on them will there after be able to learn skills a little quicker then now and it would mean that the noobs would know that choosing to push past the initial learning skills is only smart if you are sure you will be around for a fair few years.
As it is now by the end of next month I'll be looking for new learning skills as well. Anything and everything that could help me train that 5 year list I have planed a little faster. Even if it shaves off only a year I think a few months invested to gain double that time (over time) is certainly worth it.
More learning skills would not hurt the EVE players who are going to stick around for a long long time, and it certainly would not discurage new players as they would simply be able to see that learning all of those is just for insane freaks and not for them.
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tamox
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Posted - 2006.03.18 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Going commando
HOW THE HELL IS GOING TO READ THAT SHNIT? IM NOT.
Can you say oligophrenic?
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Nilia Cortiliari
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Posted - 2006.03.18 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: tamox
Originally by: Going commando
HOW THE HELL IS GOING TO READ THAT SHNIT? IM NOT.
Can you say oligophrenic?
^that would be a pretty cool putdown if the damn word was in any of the dictionaries and encyclopedias on the default Firefox search bar
closest i get is, oligophrenia is that what you were looking for?
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Alhambra Rainwalker
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tripoli
Okay, okay, so whatÆs my point? This is it: The more learning skills there are, the less obligated players will feel to train them. WhatÆs done is done. The advanced learning skills are here to stay. I offer my solution to your problem. Thank you. Have a nice day.
This ought to be interesting.....
People would just calculate where the pay-out for training certain level 4 of uberpwnlearning would benefit them most and that would become new "de-facto" training standard. Last level would obviously be left only for skill collectors with nothing better to train (although I have no idea how many SP one person needs before all training becomes redundant). Maybe you could post where the break-off points of these new skills would be, not just on fully trained 5's but level 3's and 4's as well?
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Mike Yagon
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Alhambra Rainwalker
Originally by: Tripoli
Okay, okay, so whatÆs my point? This is it: The more learning skills there are, the less obligated players will feel to train them. WhatÆs done is done. The advanced learning skills are here to stay. I offer my solution to your problem. Thank you. Have a nice day.
This ought to be interesting.....
People would just calculate where the pay-out for training certain level 4 of uberpwnlearning would benefit them most and that would become new "de-facto" training standard. Last level would obviously be left only for skill collectors with nothing better to train (although I have no idea how many SP one person needs before all training becomes redundant). Maybe you could post where the break-off points of these new skills would be, not just on fully trained 5's but level 3's and 4's as well?
I'll bet you Tripoli is already doing that math, as well as those attribute boosters mentioned earlier. I think he's a bit masochistic. ;)
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Stephen HB
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:40:00 -
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9.5 years? Sweeeeeeeeet. 
-- Originally by: Drayce
Between the learning skills and the tutorial, Eve is like a firewall against the attention deficit kids.
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digitalwanderer
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Posted - 2006.03.18 13:52:00 -
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Not sure if it would be a good idea,as i'm sure quite a few veterans that started the game when it was first released actually have that many more skills to train in the first place...
I know i don't actually have much more to train,since at now 42+ million SP and primarily focusing just on ship related skills(no corp,science,trade and minimal production skills for this char),I will have frig 5 for all races,cruiser 5 for all races as well as BS 5 for all of them,all by the end of the year(i should have between 57~58 million sp by then),with the capability of using T2 guns and/or missile launchers for all of them(up to large spec 4 for all)...
So unless T3 ships start making an apearance and have a massively long skill requirement list that has several high ranking skills that haven't been released yet,i don't see the point in even more learning skills,wich in the short term,would only devaluate atribute implants....
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.03.18 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Going commando
EVE WOULD BE BETTER IF YOU WENT OUTSIDE ONCE THEN A WHILE. NO LIFE!
Eve would be better if people like you, would stop using capslock like a retarded 10 year old and double click "post reply" 3 times in a row..
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AceOfSpace
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Posted - 2006.03.18 17:08:00 -
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I'm in full support of more learning skills  just because.. it's another opportunity to get a long-term advantage over people
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gron alt
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Posted - 2006.03.18 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: AceOfSpace
I'm in full support of more learning skills just because.. it's another opportunity to get a long-term advantage over people
i disagree
if you add a 3rd set of learning skills what it means is that everyone will train them, but that the vets have gone 3 yrs without them while the nubs trained them asap
1: that would totally suck for the nubs because well you got to spend what 5 months training learnings to 5, then advanced to 5 then the advanced-advanced to lvl 4.
but it means that 2 years from now, the SP difference will not be as bad.
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Tripoli
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Posted - 2006.03.18 19:05:00 -
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To kinda simplify my point...
Let's just say today they released both the Elite and the Uber learning skills. It'd take a year to train them. A year.
The difference in training speed would take a decade to pay off, and in the mean time, everyone who didn't train them would be at a distinct advantage because they had an extra year to train "useful" skills.
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Cincinatus
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Posted - 2006.03.18 19:15:00 -
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Personally, I think this idea wtfpwns. I rolled my char not knowing anything about attributes, so I have a base preception of 3 (and a base charisma of 8  ). I don't really feel the need to train all of my advanced learning skills to rank 5, but preception is one that I've seriously been considering. I will do anything short of shelling out 100m for a +4 implant to get my preception up (there's no word but "masochistic" for when I try and train gunnery/ship/drone skills). Adding more learning skills would make me a very very happy camper (ungimping preception ftw!)
To add even further diminishing returns, the new learning skills could offer less than a full point of attribute boni per level. Thus, the "need" to train the elite/uber/omega is even further reduced. Personally, as I've said before, I'd do anything to get my preception up. If I only get an additional 2.5 points out of training a rank 8 skill to lvl5, I'll do it for precep. For memory, which currently sits over 24 for me, no way am I going to put in the time.
The idea is a good one though, add even more learning skills with even greater diminishing returns, and soon people will start to stratify and figure out what's good enough for them. Congrats Tripoli on once again being "da man."
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Mike Yagon
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Posted - 2006.03.18 20:56:00 -
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But, Tripoli, apart from making it blatantly obvious that it would be foolishness to go all out on learning skills right from the get-go, also keep in mind the other skills. And how fast they would train if you get another +10 to your attributes, +11 if you count the 10% from Learning 5.
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Dr Caymus
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Posted - 2006.03.18 21:03:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Caymus on 18/03/2006 21:05:06
Hmmmm....
My intelligence and memory attributes would grow to be 45.1 and 47.3, respectively (taking into account the inevitable Omega learning skills, of course...)
I would then be gaining 100,000 skill points per day.
Mwuhahaha!
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Tripoli
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Posted - 2006.03.18 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mike Yagon
But, Tripoli, apart from making it blatantly obvious that it would be foolishness to go all out on learning skills right from the get-go, also keep in mind the other skills. And how fast they would train if you get another +10 to your attributes, +11 if you count the 10% from Learning 5.
When it's all said and done, if you've added 10 base poins to your attributes, you will see a 44% increase in your average training speed, but again that's going to take a very, very long time to prove worthwhile.
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digitalwanderer
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Posted - 2006.03.18 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tripoli
Originally by: Mike Yagon
But, Tripoli, apart from making it blatantly obvious that it would be foolishness to go all out on learning skills right from the get-go, also keep in mind the other skills. And how fast they would train if you get another +10 to your attributes, +11 if you count the 10% from Learning 5.
When it's all said and done, if you've added 10 base poins to your attributes, you will see a 44% increase in your average training speed, but again that's going to take a very, very long time to prove worthwhile.
And with that,i'd would only be worth it if you actually tried to learn every single skill that's currently in game,and even then,if you maxed those out,you'd still not break even.... 
It's pretty certain that even more learning skills will be released sooner or later,perhaps once Tech 3 is completely released sometime in the far future,so that new players don't have to wait 2 years to get the fly/use T3 ships/modules,but not before then though...
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Lina Morgai
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Posted - 2006.03.19 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Nilia Cortiliari
Originally by: tamox
Originally by: Going commando
HOW THE HELL IS GOING TO READ THAT SHNIT? IM NOT.
Can you say oligophrenic?
^that would be a pretty cool putdown if the damn word was in any of the dictionaries and encyclopedias on the default Firefox search bar
closest i get is, oligophrenia is that what you were looking for?
oligophrenic = adjective
oligophrenia = noun
The same beast, different application.
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Dimitry
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Posted - 2006.03.20 08:21:00 -
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Edited by: Dimitry on 20/03/2006 08:22:47
Agree with Tripoli
I would like to suggest put price for this learning skills like 100 mill for Elite and 500 mill for Uber and let say few bill for Omega ones.
So benefit will be very questionable for people who do not want to invest into learning, will be tough for those who go this route, You can justify and crosscheck with +4/+5 imps vs Uber/Omega learning skills price - maybe it will be cheaper to get those, yeah? So people again will get the choice and maniacs like Tripoli or me nice new toy named Elite/Uber/Omega learning skill.
Ofc more whine from new people but hey, everyone want to fly titan.....first of all skill cost 4.5 bil; second of all skill requirements are big as well and 3rd of all price for titan rather limiting... so what? People keep dreaming...
The same logic can be used here - Advanced learning as prereq, high price, big time to learn, etc.
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2006.03.20 08:30:00 -
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If those skills existed, well I'd do em - to level 4.
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Turaya
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Posted - 2006.03.20 09:40:00 -
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very good Ideea!
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Auren I'del
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Posted - 2006.03.20 10:52:00 -
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Personally I think we have more than enough learning skills. We dont need more of them. What I relly would like is the chance of moving some attributes around. Either with skills, implants or whatever.
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Teles666
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Posted - 2006.03.20 11:02:00 -
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Learning skills and strip mining veldspar - it's like online valium :)
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