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Crumplecorn
Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.09 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari *sigh* I was having FUN.
No you weren't.
Yes I was.
Let's do it again!
You were not, and let's not.
I was so, and let's!
I think not!
I think so!
Oi! You! Noooooo!
Ah! You! Yesssss!
I think I've exhausted all ships-don't-have-crews arguments, so this discussion is over, move along.
This isn't over. This will never be over.
You are the only one who thinks so. ----------
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari Gilead's Bullet Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.11 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari *sigh* I was having FUN.
No you weren't.
Yes I was.
Let's do it again!
You were not, and let's not.
I was so, and let's!
I think not!
I think so!
Oi! You! Noooooo!
Ah! You! Yesssss!
I think I've exhausted all ships-don't-have-crews arguments, so this discussion is over, move along.
This isn't over. This will never be over.
You are the only one who thinks so.
And I'm demonstrably right. --------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans Nik = win. Period.
Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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Silver Night
Caldari Intergalactic Combined Technologies THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2006.08.11 04:41:00 -
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I have a feeling this thread might be headed for a clicky clicky. --------------
Director. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
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Def Antares
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Posted - 2006.08.13 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lillith Blackheart
Moving on from that, however: Let's say your guns suddenly stop firing because the loading mechanism jammed. Who's going to fix it? You? How? You're in the pod. Repair nanos just repair the hull/armor, they don't know how to unload, clean, and reload the firing mechanisms, they especially don't know how to do it quickly.
sure, in the distant future where we travel faster than the light and have nano robots that repair armor and hull of our space vesells, our guns JAM all the time, and wie need PPL in workin suits, smeared with oil, to fix it
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari Gilead's Bullet Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.14 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Def Antares
Originally by: Lillith Blackheart Moving on from that, however: Let's say your guns suddenly stop firing because the loading mechanism jammed. Who's going to fix it? You? How? You're in the pod. Repair nanos just repair the hull/armor, they don't know how to unload, clean, and reload the firing mechanisms, they especially don't know how to do it quickly.
sure, in the distant future where we travel faster than the light and have nano robots that repair armor and hull of our space vesells, our guns JAM all the time, and wie need PPL in workin suits, smeared with oil, to fix it
I might be able to even take your comment seriously if you could write using actual words like "people". --------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans Nik = win. Period.
Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.14 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Def Antares
Originally by: Lillith Blackheart
Moving on from that, however: Let's say your guns suddenly stop firing because the loading mechanism jammed. Who's going to fix it? You? How? You're in the pod. Repair nanos just repair the hull/armor, they don't know how to unload, clean, and reload the firing mechanisms, they especially don't know how to do it quickly.
sure, in the distant future where we travel faster than the light and have nano robots that repair armor and hull of our space vesells, our guns JAM all the time, and wie need PPL in workin suits, smeared with oil, to fix it
We don't? Prove it?
Besides, I like having the thought of having little minnions scurrying about doing my bidding.....and the thought of them getting fried in a fight.
...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative.
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Dak Hakin
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.08.17 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Twilight Moon
Originally by: Def Antares
Originally by: Lillith Blackheart
Moving on from that, however: Let's say your guns suddenly stop firing because the loading mechanism jammed. Who's going to fix it? You? How? You're in the pod. Repair nanos just repair the hull/armor, they don't know how to unload, clean, and reload the firing mechanisms, they especially don't know how to do it quickly.
sure, in the distant future where we travel faster than the light and have nano robots that repair armor and hull of our space vesells, our guns JAM all the time, and wie need PPL in workin suits, smeared with oil, to fix it
We don't? Prove it?
Besides, I like having the thought of having little minnions scurrying about doing my bidding.....and the thought of them getting fried in a fight.
Not to mention the fact that PF supports crews on ships. _______________________________________________ I am the devil, and I'm here to do the devils work.
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Mhaerdirne Solveig
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Posted - 2007.04.05 16:23:00 -
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this is pretty much the worst thread on these forums
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Gryphe Griffin
Grab Bag Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.07 10:45:00 -
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I came across the following URL a while ago, each ship having a blueprint which lists the amount of crew. Useful perhaps?
A Russian ship gallery page of some sorts.
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Mavrix Able
CALDARI NAVY 'Wolf Pack' 5th Squadron Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.17 19:14:00 -
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A reason for not using drones might be this: http://www.eve-online.com/itemdatabase/EN/drones/droneupgrades/24283.asp That drone controller sucks up 7500 CPU and allows you to control a drone so dumb it would make a hamster look like a nobel prize winner. Crewing a whole ship with drones smarter than that wouldn't be worth it. Even though the amount of CPU might be taken into consideration before you get the stats of the ship, the amount of CPU freed by using a human crew would allow you to fit the wildest tech gear onto something as primitive as an Osprey.
I know my theory has the flaw that you are always able to control a number of drones free of charge. Those drones have the same amount of functions as a LEGO-technic kit.
And a thing to remember; normal science and eve science can not be compared since it has evolved from scracth, only build upon what the lucky survivors could remember. I mean who knows, Graham Bell might have invented teleportation instead and the telephone and we wouldn't invent that untill 3298.
-NWS/Mav
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fullmetalpwn
The Imperial Assassins
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Posted - 2007.05.25 01:34:00 -
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Edited by: fullmetalpwn on 25/05/2007 01:33:39
Originally by: Alexis DeTocqueville Edited by: Alexis DeTocqueville on 20/03/2006 01:24:19
Originally by: Reiisha This is only one of the MANY flaws with the "We all have crews!!! More people die per day in the EVE universe from stupid pod captains than all the natural disasters, traffic accidents, and homicides combined!"
Fixed. ~-------------------------------------~
Originally by: "Alumion" Welcome to EVE, where many wars are started over forum posts.
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Orko Fireblade
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Posted - 2007.05.31 08:30:00 -
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An evidence: check item database! The "Fighters" are shown amongst the drones, but they are NOT real drones. "Single-pilot combat vessels, deployable from carriers and motherships."
So, there must be crew. At least on carriers, to fly the fighters. These pilots strictly follow the order of the carriers pod-pilot. They are dependant. Easy: if they don't follow the orders, the pod pilot simply unpowers the fighter (drones are all powered by the ship they are launched from) and they are dead. So, it's much more "profitable" for the pilot to undergo the will of the pod-pilot.
I think the same applies for other crew members. If someone deserts, he can be simply killed by the ship's internal security system. Why isn't there a riot against the pod pilot? Actually, there was: http://www.tml.hu/eon2/page56.jpg http://www.tml.hu/eon2/page57.jpg
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Lucjan
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Posted - 2007.06.11 06:06:00 -
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Edited by: Lucjan on 11/06/2007 06:04:52 Here's a question who pays for this crew!? 300 ppl on a cruiser!? What are they all Minimatar slaves?! Are they cyborg?! Why do they need windows then?!
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GrYeYeS
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Posted - 2007.06.19 02:31:00 -
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Fiction answers this all. Pod technology replaces conventional role of a ships crew. Where the captain gives an order that is relayed to the specific section of the ship. Where another human initiates that order. A pod pilot has DIRECT control of the ships systems. There is no relaying of the order. A ships crew then as i would assume would be for regular maintenance/repairs that the various repair modules dont account for (internal systems). Storing of cargo/fuel/armament. Possibly refueling etc etc.
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Neue Ziel
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:21:00 -
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EVE ships have crews. It's referenced numerous times in the fiction. The question is why aren't ships entirely run through capsules and drones? The technology certainly exists as evidenced by rogue drones. Even a dumbed down drone should be able to handle regular maintenance chores and so would a quantum (or whatever they're using now) computer.
You can't compare "UCAV" drones to little maintenance bots. The former require all that CPU because you have to broad cast telemetry to them constantly to make them do their job over the space of 50+ kilometers; that's some signal. We know this has to be at least partially correct because they deactivate when you warp away from them. That's a lot more CPU consumed then your basic worker bot that only has to have data relayed from internal sensors ride the elevator down to deck fifteen and pop out it's welding torch and get cutting.
Ships have free drones. There's no cost for camera drones after all; and it's worth noting in a couple of stories (The Vampire comes to mind) the pilot is stated as using basic robots to load the drone in the rack. So while ships have crews, it's likely possible for them not to as well.
So why do they? I think the answer is that capsules are new as a practical technology. They've been available for 78 years; but during that time wet graving made them dangerous at best. It's only in the past few decades that capsule tech has come far enough for significant numbers of pilots to use the technology. CCP has stated that PC capsule pilots are like celebrities; that means "we" are a rare breed of pilot.
Simply put; most ships in EVE are designed for normal humans; so they are designed for crews. Capsule piloted ships represent retro-fits of standard production model ships with capsules added as an after thought. Fitting the ship with the extensive 'slave' rigging necessary for total capsule control including all the drones and computers necessary may simply cost more then hiring a crew. In a small ship like a frigate or shuttle it's relatively easy. But a Battleship etc. would require an extensive refit that might make it cost twice as much as a regular retro-fitted ship with a crew.
Part of Tech 2 ships may *be* the removal of the crew and incorporation of these elements. They're modular or designed to be autonomous from the beginning. Removing all the crew quarters and associated life support would free up tons of space to incorporate the kinds of things that would represent all those tech 2 goodies like increased resistances and so forth. As the number of capsuleers grow; so to does the market for capsuleer-ready ships tech one ships being more regular EVE people ships jury rigged but not ideal for the needs of the PC pilot.
EVE ships have crews; but for a variety of reasons not the least of which is cutting overhead crews, are most likely being slowly phased out on Capsule equipped ships particularly as capsuleers become more common. There isn't a military or business out there that wouldn't like the idea of not having to pay 5000 people wages were the option available.
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Caios
Caldari Unified Refining Federation Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.19 19:27:00 -
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Christ why is this debate even up.
Everything CCP has put out in terms of background material points toward ship crews. There was an EON article a few thousand replies back on this thread that even tells a nice little story about a crew mutiny on a Thorax.
Plus it's got boobies. o.O
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