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BlackDragonShadow
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Posted - 2006.03.18 21:07:00 -
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This is kind of a simple theory really. The more tech 2 gear you have on your ship BASICLY (like if your not an idiot) you ship gets better and better. Thus making it harder to destory. However with the more tech 2 gear you have on your ship the more expensive it becomes when you lose it. Correct? So if that's the case is it better in the long run to lose a bunch of ships with tech one gear or one ship with a bunch of tech 2 gear?
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.03.18 21:14:00 -
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Theory?
Sighs...
T2 doesnt make you a God. T2 only gives you that +% over T1 equivalents. A full T2 Eagle is like having 2 Moas controlled by 1 person. Likewise, 2 Moas can kill 1 Eagle. Only advantage of having 2 Moas is you have more versatilty comparing to the solo Eagle.
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Cvuos
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Posted - 2006.03.18 21:18:00 -
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Tech 2 Theory, Rule #17: It is better to destroy your opponents tech-2 fitted ship, then to lose your own.
Quote for truth please.
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BlackDragonShadow
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Posted - 2006.03.18 21:19:00 -
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Edited by: BlackDragonShadow on 18/03/2006 21:21:10 Edited by: BlackDragonShadow on 18/03/2006 21:19:20
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Theory?
Sighs...
T2 doesnt make you a God. T2 only gives you that +% over T1 equivalents. A full T2 Eagle is like having 2 Moas controlled by 1 person. Likewise, 2 Moas can kill 1 Eagle. Only advantage of having 2 Moas is you have more versatilty comparing to the solo Eagle.
HTH.
Well see that's the theory. As T2 parts in the ship go up so does your survivabilty but so does the cost to replace a lost ship. And the alternate is true. With less quality parts your survivabilty goes down BUT it doesn't cost as much to replace a downed ship.
So which is better? Lose a ship that cost 8 billion isk every now and again or loose cruddy ships that cost 8isk every day?
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Vertical Aim
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Posted - 2006.03.18 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: BlackDragonShadow Edited by: BlackDragonShadow on 18/03/2006 21:21:10 Edited by: BlackDragonShadow on 18/03/2006 21:19:20
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Theory?
Sighs...
T2 doesnt make you a God. T2 only gives you that +% over T1 equivalents. A full T2 Eagle is like having 2 Moas controlled by 1 person. Likewise, 2 Moas can kill 1 Eagle. Only advantage of having 2 Moas is you have more versatilty comparing to the solo Eagle.
HTH.
Well see that's the theory. As T2 parts in the ship go up so does your survivabilty but so does the cost to replace a lost ship. And the alternate is true. With less quality parts your survivabilty goes down BUT it doesn't cost as much to replace a downed ship.
So which is better? Lose a ship that cost 8 billion isk every now and again or loose cruddy ships that cost 8isk every day?
Well "in theory" if you lose 8billion isk worth of 8isk ships in the same amount of time it takes you to lose that 8billion isk ship.... its the same.
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BlackDragonShadow
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Posted - 2006.03.18 21:31:00 -
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ugh never mind! Obvously I need to do some research on the topic.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.03.18 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: BlackDragonShadow Edited by: BlackDragonShadow on 18/03/2006 21:21:10 Edited by: BlackDragonShadow on 18/03/2006 21:19:20
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Theory?
Sighs...
T2 doesnt make you a God. T2 only gives you that +% over T1 equivalents. A full T2 Eagle is like having 2 Moas controlled by 1 person. Likewise, 2 Moas can kill 1 Eagle. Only advantage of having 2 Moas is you have more versatilty comparing to the solo Eagle.
HTH.
Well see that's the theory. As T2 parts in the ship go up so does your survivabilty but so does the cost to replace a lost ship. And the alternate is true. With less quality parts your survivabilty goes down BUT it doesn't cost as much to replace a downed ship.
So which is better? Lose a ship that cost 8 billion isk every now and again or loose cruddy ships that cost 8isk every day?
The point is, quantity >> quality. 'nuff said.
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Panshin Bolo
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Posted - 2006.03.18 21:44:00 -
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If you have a good setup on your T1 ship, it can take out a T2 ship... My CEO calls me a n00b though.
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Clementina
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Posted - 2006.03.18 22:10:00 -
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I think people fly with a percentage of their income. Some part of the money they make goes into PvP ships. If they make money like Scrooge McDuck, they might be found in battleships fully loaded with tech II or HACS. if they make very little money, they might be found in tech I frigates. Both of these pilots will lose ships at the same rate, so Scrooge McDuck will lose more money then our broke pilot, however they both feel the same amount of pain since pain is the percentage loss, and the richer pilot can do more damage.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.18 22:13:00 -
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Full T1 setup cruiser = lose 2-3m when you die.
Full T2 setup cruiser = lose 20-30m when you die.
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Tea Spoon
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Posted - 2006.03.18 22:19:00 -
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fleet of t2 ships and battleships fitted with t2 stuff >>> fleet of t1 ships fitted with t1 stuff
c'mon ppl, do you all fly solo or what ?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.03.18 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tea Spoon fleet of t2 ships and battleships fitted with t2 stuff >>> fleet of t1 ships fitted with t1 stuff
c'mon ppl, do you all fly solo or what ?
But, on the other hand if you have a fleet of T1 ships with T1 stuff versus of a fleet of T2 ships and T2 stuff, even if you lose 3 or 4 ships to every one of the enemy, you've still come out on top
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Tea Spoon
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Posted - 2006.03.18 22:35:00 -
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quite often its not about the isk quite often its about territory/pos/reputation and quite often that means a lot
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oDDiTy V2
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Posted - 2006.03.18 22:36:00 -
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Fly what you can afford, simple.
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Tea Spoon
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Posted - 2006.03.18 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: oDDiTy V2 Fly what you can afford, simple.
rofl =] simple yet veeeery accurate
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.03.18 22:42:00 -
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More accurately, just play for fun? ----------------
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Tea Spoon
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Posted - 2006.03.18 23:18:00 -
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define 'fun', then get 20 other ppl to define it =] wow, 20 different answers =]
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.03.18 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tea Spoon define 'fun', then get 20 other ppl to define it =] wow, 20 different answers =]
OK, starting with me.
Fun is when you have killed them knowing that they feel upset because they have lost something significant.
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Bagdh Dearg
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Posted - 2006.03.19 00:10:00 -
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Edited by: Bagdh Dearg on 19/03/2006 00:10:24
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Tea Spoon define 'fun', then get 20 other ppl to define it =] wow, 20 different answers =]
OK, starting with me.
Fun is when you have killed them knowing that they feel upset because they have lost something significant.
Ahh but the counter to that is, While I know if I lost me cerb with its half a billion isk total I'd be ****ed off(Mission ship btw,Not that wealthy) but also what'd be the point in having the ship if all I did was look at it in the station. Tis the way I feel about it cause at the end of the day its just again and every loss is recoverable from. Plus I find with every loss you bounce back faster and better. _______________________________________________ An tT nach bhfuil lßidir nf folßir d= bheith glic -He who is not strong must be crafty |
Grimster
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Posted - 2006.03.19 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: oDDiTy V2 Fly what you can afford, simple.
Or more like what you can afford to lose - simple :P
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Kahn Moquil
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Posted - 2006.03.19 01:09:00 -
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Fly whatever you think is fun to fly, assuming you can afford to lose it. And with afford, I mean either isk-wise, or not caring if you lose your shiny new hac.
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.03.19 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tea Spoon define 'fun', then get 20 other ppl to define it =] wow, 20 different answers =]
Fun is knowing that your ship is the best of it's class. ---- I <3 Taranis
Cake > Pie - Imaran
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Franky B
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Posted - 2006.03.19 01:34:00 -
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with T2 ammo, T2 guns are no longer just a "percentage" above T1 guns... spike ammo gives the same damage output as thormium ammo but at 100% range bonus rather tha -12%... thats fairly drastic right there.
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portriat
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Posted - 2006.03.19 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: BlackDragonShadow ugh never mind! Obvously I need to do some research on the topic.
/signed
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.19 03:17:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 19/03/2006 03:18:04 Murphy's Law of Tech II
The more techII/faction mods you have fitted on your ship, the more likely you are to be called primary.
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Jezala
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Posted - 2006.03.19 03:26:00 -
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Edited by: Jezala on 19/03/2006 03:26:38 In general, in PvE the tech 2 equipment is usually well worth the risk for the performance increase. This is especially true if you are using tech 2 equipment to help you increase your income rate.
PvP is another story. I'm going to assume that you can't afford to lose tech 2 like you can with tech 1. Fielding tech 2 gear is very dependent upon the situation you are involved in. There are definitly situations where tech 2 outperforms tech 1. We're talking about orders of magnitude here not some percentage. It's when you're in those situations that you want to employ the tech 2 stuff.
There are some tech 2 gear that you should equip no matter what the circumstance. They include sensor boosters, all the EWs, hardeners, med and small reps/boosters, damage mods (except for BCUs), small turrets, and small/med drones.
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skilz
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Posted - 2006.03.19 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Full T1 setup cruiser = lose 2-3m when you die.
Full T2 setup cruiser = lose 20-30m when you die.
For the tech 2 setup it's more like 200-300mil+ --
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Montague Zooma
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Posted - 2006.03.19 04:38:00 -
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All I know is, whatever my setup, it always seems like the wrong one. D'oh!
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Mishima
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Posted - 2006.03.19 04:58:00 -
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stupid stupid stupid
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Dr Smacktalk
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Posted - 2006.03.19 05:32:00 -
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Rule #44 The T2 stuff always gets destroyed leaving the T1 junk in the cargo container.
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