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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.03.19 13:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Remedial
What is that, the sixth or seventh person who has said "THERE IS A COUNTER BUT YOU ARE TOO LAZY TO FIGURE IT OUT AND I AM TOO LAZY TO POST IT NOOB LOL!!!"
Do these people pop up in every thread about ship/module changes?
Why do you continue to ignore the perfectly valid and numerous suggestions you have been offered then?
You look more and more desperate every post you make.
Take the advice thats been given and get out there and deal with the issue.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.03.19 13:27:00 -
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look mom, i'm in a flamewar!
on topic (well, maybe), everything in eve should have a counter. a counter to sniping BSs is hard to pull off, but it can be done. you just have to put some effort in.
i guess the snipers do have it easier than the targets, but life isn't fair 
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Remedial
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Posted - 2006.03.19 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
Why do you continue to ignore the perfectly valid and numerous suggestions you have been offered then?
And what suggestions would those be that I haven't addressed?
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Professor McFly
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Posted - 2006.03.19 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Remedial
My argument is that sniping BS don't have a counter that is on the same level as their ease of use post-training.
Neither does a Titan using a Doomsday Device to vaporize your frig fleet. Is there gonna be a post about that someday? 
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Calenth
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Posted - 2006.03.19 13:55:00 -
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How about this then: Even positing equal skill levels and access to ships like carriers, interdictors, etc., it takes far more work, organization, and effort to counter and kill a sniping bs than it does for the t2-ammo sniping bs to get kills and get away.
Can everyone agree on that at least? Remedial's argument doesn't appear to be "sniping BS is uncounterable," just "sniping BS is disproportionately hard to counter."
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Remedial
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Posted - 2006.03.19 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Professor McFly
Neither does a Titan using a Doomsday Device to vaporize your frig fleet. Is there gonna be a post about that someday?
Yes comparing a ship that costs a hundred billion isk and requires months to years for which to train is comparable to an argument about battleships which cost 150M isk to buy and outfit and insure to 90M.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2006.03.19 14:07:00 -
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Folks, i offered to sell 2 perfect tactics to nail snipers absolutly efficient. But people prefer to have the DEVs changing the game...what is there more to say? However - i will not give away efficient tactics for free. Get a clue yourself.
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Remedial
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Posted - 2006.03.19 14:08:00 -
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"Hello from Nigeria! Would you like to make free money using only a credit card and bank account?!"
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Professor McFly
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Posted - 2006.03.19 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Remedial
Originally by: Professor McFly
Neither does a Titan using a Doomsday Device to vaporize your frig fleet. Is there gonna be a post about that someday?
Yes comparing a ship that costs a hundred billion isk and requires months to years for which to train is comparable to an argument about battleships which cost 150M isk to buy and outfit and insure to 90M.
Certainly is. The Titan pilot put the skillpoints and money in to gain that advantage and ability. The sniping BS's did the same.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.03.19 14:18:00 -
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"Folks, i offered to sell 2 perfect tactics to nail snipers absolutly efficient. But people prefer to have the DEVs changing the game...what is there more to say? However - i will not give away efficient tactics for free. Get a clue yourself."
Lifewire, not everyone is aware of your credentials and all, so i guess people would be more inclined to treat this seriously if it came with some sort of good proof the tactics you offer are indeed good... a killmail of sniping Ginger Magician, for example -.^
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Remedial
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Posted - 2006.03.19 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Professor McFly
Certainly is. The Titan pilot put the skillpoints and money in to gain that advantage and ability. The sniping BS's did the same.
No it isn't. A Titan requires the collective efforts of hundreds, if not thousands of people to build, and one person gets to fly it who has spent years training for it. They are also huge, immobile juggernauts of destruction that will take literally minutes to warp, and confer all sorts of special advantages on the battlefield.
Comparing the titan to the sniping BS, which is not only flown by thousands of people, is dramatically easier to train for and maneuver, and has a totally different purpose and manner of execution, is silly.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2006.03.19 14:24:00 -
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remove range of all ammo. :D
more tactical fleet battle 4tw, now you actully have to move and position yourself right instead of just changing ammo to hit whatever..
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HW Icarus
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Posted - 2006.03.19 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lifewire
Folks, i offered to sell 2 perfect tactics to nail snipers absolutly efficient. But people prefer to have the DEVs changing the game...what is there more to say? However - i will not give away efficient tactics for free. Get a clue yourself.
WTS: Titan headshot.
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Auman
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Posted - 2006.03.19 14:32:00 -
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I'm a little confused why you would try and engage sniping BS on their terms? Sitting at a gate knowing they are going to come in at ~200km range doesn't seem clever.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.03.19 14:42:00 -
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"Soloution is to use the same medicin as they do, T2 sniping battleships.
Og wait, you guys only fly T1 frigs. Well donŠt complain over T2 ammo. Your guys are underskilled and thus canŠt counter these kind of tatics."
I'd rather the "well he's lvl.60 and you're only lvl.30 so you can only bend down and take it until you're lvl.60 yourself" concept of gameplay to remain where it firmly belongs.
that is, out of EVE.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2006.03.19 14:43:00 -
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Lifewire, not everyone is aware of your credentials and all, so i guess people would be more inclined to treat this seriously if it came with some sort of good proof the tactics you offer are indeed good... a killmail of sniping Ginger Magician, for example -.^
I swear there are at least 2 ways to get a nearly 100% sniperkill. But since sniping is my income, i wonŠt give these tactics for free. If you are intersted iŠll sell it t you for 100 mil. You get ISK back if my tactic is not successfull. Big TDG word on this!!! I swear by my mother, my Ibis and my true sancha disruptor.
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Calenth
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Posted - 2006.03.19 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Auman
I'm a little confused why you would try and engage sniping BS on their terms? Sitting at a gate knowing they are going to come in at ~200km range doesn't seem clever.
I'm not sure why people got that meme going in their heads. We deal with sniping BS every day in a wild variety of situations.
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Calenth
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Posted - 2006.03.19 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Lifewire
I swear there are at least 2 ways to get a nearly 100% sniperkill. But since sniping is my income, i wonŠt give these tactics for free. If you are intersted iŠll sell it t you for 100 mil. You get ISK back if my tactic is not successfull. Big TDG word on this!!! I swear by my mother, my Ibis and my true sancha disruptor.
Let me guess. . one is "twice as many sniping battleships yourself."
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2006.03.19 14:56:00 -
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Let me guess. . one is "twice as many sniping battleships yourself."
Good! You are close to find about 1 of the ways to kill a sniper! The best way to counter snipers...are snipers. But to be successfuff you need a little more than only "twice as many sniping battleships...". Keep thinking about your idea...you might find out without paying me 100 mil.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2006.03.19 14:57:00 -
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use bubbles, if they warp in, they die...
"We brake for nobody"
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.03.19 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: LWMaverick on 19/03/2006 15:00:24
Originally by: Remedial
What is that, the sixth or seventh person who has said "THERE IS A COUNTER BUT YOU ARE TOO LAZY TO FIGURE IT OUT AND I AM TOO LAZY TO POST IT NOOB LOL!!!"
Do these people pop up in every thread about ship/module changes?
Yep.
But as already told, there are counters against snipping bs's...
Personally i would suggest cloacker + interdictor or something like that... get up close, and warp the entire gang in on top of them, with the interditcor(s) dropping bubbles right away..
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Calenth
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Posted - 2006.03.19 15:01:00 -
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Edited by: Calenth on 19/03/2006 15:02:45
Originally by: Lifewire
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Let me guess. . one is "twice as many sniping battleships yourself."
Good! You are close to find about 1 of the ways to kill a sniper! The best way to counter snipers...are snipers. But to be successfuff you need a little more than only "twice as many sniping battleships...". Keep thinking about your idea...you might find out without paying me 100 mil.
You're missing thee point of remedial's argument.
We all know that counters exist to sniping battleships. That's not the argument. We all agree on that.
The argument is that it takes a wildly disproportionate degree of organization, skill point totals, and numbers to counter the sniping BS. Whether you disagree with that statement or not, please address that argument, rather than "lol couonters exist lolz."
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Rasta Rocketman
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Posted - 2006.03.19 15:01:00 -
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NO! It is a good solution to complain about any tactic you cannot defeat.
If you want to make EVE a blobbers paradise, then sure nerf anything that gives smaller fleets a remote chance of inflicting damage. Eve then becomes a game of numbers and to a smaller extent tactics. It is bad enough as it is now with the uber-blobs...for the love of God, don't make it worse. You will end up with large blobs of mindless, skill-less herd fighters and nothing more.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2006.03.19 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 19/03/2006 15:03:45
Originally by: Calenth
You're missing thee point of remedial's argument.
We all know that counters exist to sniping battleships. That's not the argument. We all agree on that.
The argument is that it takes a wildly disproportionate degree of organization, skill point totals, and numbers to counter the sniping BS.
You mean much like it takes about 15 billion worth of Dreadnaughts and a 25mill + SP player in each of them to take down a POS worth maybe 600mill?
Yours,
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Calenth
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Posted - 2006.03.19 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 19/03/2006 15:03:45
You mean much like it takes about 15 billion worth of Dreadnaughts and a 25mill + SP player in each of them to take down a POS worth maybe 600mill?
See, at least that argument is on-point -- he's addressing the argument that's actually being made. Good work.
I think there is a counterargument, though, which is that POS's are defensive, rather than offensive. You can't go harass miners or whatever with a POS -- tactically speaking it's very limited, and a sniping battleship doesn't share those limitations.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.03.19 15:14:00 -
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Go and plant 100 giant secure containers in space 150km to 200km away from the gate (we are ralking about you camping mhc and 6-cz here aren't we???)
When snipers warp in, warp to the cloest one and approach.
It prolly wont work but it'll give you something to do
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Professor McFly
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Posted - 2006.03.19 15:15:00 -
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So how do you counter an enemy watching your fleet's movements with a Covert Ops?
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.03.19 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 19/03/2006 15:17:06
Call GoonFleet and GoonWaffe. 
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Calenth
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Posted - 2006.03.19 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: Calenth on 19/03/2006 15:20:11
Edited by: Calenth on 19/03/2006 15:19:04
Originally by: Professor McFly
So how do you counter an enemy watching your fleet's movements with a Covert Ops?
I could play the "you can't think of that yourself?" game everyone else is, but c'mon. Three safespots, you warp around to them . .you know the answer to that.
That isn't a "counter" in the sense that Remedial is asking, since you don't kill the covert ops that way, but then again, covops by themselves don't actually kill anyone either, so there's no balance problem with their strong survivability. Sniping battleships, on the other hand, have strong survivability AND strong offense, both.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2006.03.19 15:25:00 -
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The argument is that it takes a wildly disproportionate degree of organization, skill point totals, and numbers to counter the sniping BS. Whether you disagree with that statement or not, please address that argument, rather than "lol couonters exist lolz."
Not true - still you ask the DEVs for a change without using your brain before. There is a simple way to kill a sniper with less than 10 mil equipment and less than 2 mil skillpoints. Pay 100 mil and iŠll tell you. Sorry, but i wont give these tactics for free, i prefer forum tolling 
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