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Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 00:09:00 -
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Hello all,
I'd like to bring up this subject up. Because, IMHO how things are currently set, is plain dumb.
Why we can't access, scoop or hack POS objects which are not powered(obviously abandoned) but anchored?
Penny for your thoughts.
Regards, U |
Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Ragnarok.
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Posted - 2014.01.08 00:18:00 -
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PoS code is old, horrible,covoluted, messy and a headache and a half for CCP to even think about looking at let alone change something in it.
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
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Posted - 2014.01.08 00:31:00 -
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You can always shoot it... |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
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Posted - 2014.01.08 00:31:00 -
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We've been begging for an update to POS's for years. For years, CCP has promised us 'Soon.' For years, they have failed to take that promise seriously.
War-dec the corp, and nuke the tower. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.01.08 00:51:00 -
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You can access offline but anchored towers just fine. You can either put fuel in them and online them, or unanchor them if you take all the fuel out. If you can't access one of your towers, fill a petition because that's a bug.
Now if you happened to ask "why can't I access someone else's tower as if it was my own" instead, then that's intended game design. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.01.08 01:01:00 -
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Ode to Search Function. By Unsuccessfual at Everything.
Oh Search Function, Your unused link long forgotten by time. Lonely you are, so lonely. For only I know where you are.
I use you all the time, But my touch alone is not enough, For you lust after the touch of others, And I am only one.
The things you do Search Function! You find what it is I seek and more! From author to topic you see it all! I feel no need to repost.
Oh Search Function, One day they'll remember you, When they cant find what they seek, Until then, you will wait.
You see Search Function, That dirty girl New Topic just gives it away, She is too easy to use, And so we see the same topics....
Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
Again.
Fin.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
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Posted - 2014.01.08 01:06:00 -
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:: slow clap :: Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
KnowUsByTheDead
New Eden Federation Of Justice
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Posted - 2014.01.08 01:35:00 -
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I want to thank the OP for signing his/her post. I would have never known who made it otherwise.
Also, shoutout for that wonderful prose. It moved me. Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Ragnarok.
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Posted - 2014.01.08 01:37:00 -
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KnowUsByTheDead wrote:I want to thank the OP for signing his/her post. I would have never known who made it otherwise.
Also, shoutout for that wonderful prose. It moved me.
To be fair i still don't know whos post it is. i keep thinking of Ero's alt obungawhatever |
Alex Grison
Grison Industrial Group
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Posted - 2014.01.08 01:57:00 -
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Because I like looking at space sticks. yes |
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Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 07:57:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:You can always shoot it... As I understand shooting takes a lot of time. Especially in high sec. |
Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 07:58:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:We've been begging for an update to POS's for years. For years, CCP has promised us 'Soon.' For years, they have failed to take that promise seriously.
War-dec the corp, and nuke the tower. Can't really do that, and all profit goes to war... |
Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2068
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Posted - 2014.01.08 07:58:00 -
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Why can't I steal cars that are parked at the side of the road?
I mean, its clearly just abandoned
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 07:59:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:You can access offline but anchored towers just fine. You can either put fuel in them and online them, or unanchor them if you take all the fuel out. If you can't access one of your towers, fill a petition because that's a bug.
Now if you happened to ask "why can't I access someone else's tower as if it was my own" instead, then that's intended game design. I was referring to second part, yes. Else I'd post it as a bug. The design is not consistent with other aspects of EVE. Can you loot abandoned containers, yes. Can you loot abandoned POS, no. Fail. |
Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:01:00 -
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Jill Chastot wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:I want to thank the OP for signing his/her post. I would have never known who made it otherwise.
Also, shoutout for that wonderful prose. It moved me. To be fair i still don't know whos post it is. i keep thinking of Ero's alt obungawhatever
What are you two blabbering about? :)
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hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:21:00 -
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I don't think you should be aloud to just take it with no work or effort, to easy and the market would flood.
I do think you should be able to hack a POS with the incursion frig. But as soon as you start to hack it the owner should get a warning that thier property is about to be taken over. This would give them a chance to protect it. Pog mo thoin |
Mascha Tzash
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:21:00 -
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Jill Chastot wrote:PoS code is old, horrible,covoluted, messy and a headache and a half for CCP to even think about looking at let alone change something in it.
I'd bet that at least one dev who rencently looked at this code decided to let it be as it is now and do sveral things:
- ask him-/herself what the original dev was thinking/doing/drinking when he/she wrote these lines - ask him-/herself how this code could ever work - be happy that it works in some miracolous ways - leave it to someone else to cope with the POS code - create soemthing new from ground up because of "it's easier to start something new than to repair something more or less broken" |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:24:00 -
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I think the entire thing has/is being re-written and all the old crap will be retired. The new deployables are part of the new development as far as I know. |
Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2069
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:25:00 -
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I think that a POS left unloved for more than 6 months should become a Rogue Drone site. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:29:00 -
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hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:I don't think you should be aloud to just take it with no work or effort, to easy and the market would flood.
I do think you should be able to hack a POS with the incursion frig. But as soon as you start to hack it the owner should get a warning that thier property is about to be taken over. This would give them a chance to protect it.
Personally I'd prefer you have to hack in to station. If you fail you trigger station point defense systems which open fire soon as the hack is detected. If you succeed, you can access, scoop..etc. |
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Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:32:00 -
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Mascha Tzash wrote:Jill Chastot wrote:PoS code is old, horrible,covoluted, messy and a headache and a half for CCP to even think about looking at let alone change something in it.
I'd bet that at least one dev who rencently looked at this code decided to let it be as it is now and do sveral things: - ask him-/herself what the original dev was thinking/doing/drinking when he/she wrote these lines - ask him-/herself how this code could ever work - be happy that it works in some miracolous ways - leave it to someone else to cope with the POS code - create soemthing new from ground up because of "it's easier to start something new than to repair something more or less broken"
Just replace the whole chunk of code if it was that poorly written. Have system engineer map all integrations of POS code, do it from ground up. |
Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:33:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:I think the entire thing has/is being re-written and all the old crap will be retired. The new deployables are part of the new development as far as I know.
Is there a dev blog you can point me to?
If so, i am one happy puppy :) |
Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:34:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Why can't I steal cars that are parked at the side of the road?
I mean, its clearly just abandoned
Maybe you don't have right skills ;) |
Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:35:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:I think that a POS left unloved for more than 6 months should become a Rogue Drone site.
Excellent idea. Though 6 months is way too much :)
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Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2069
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:35:00 -
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Rewriting of code and fixing issues with POSes wont have any effect on your issue, friend.
It still wont make deployables anymore stealable, buddy.
Otherwise bubbles would be pointless, pal. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2071
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:36:00 -
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Ugljesa wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:I think that a POS left unloved for more than 6 months should become a Rogue Drone site. Excellent idea. Though 6 months is way too much :)
What, you want to be able to steal a POS... when? The instant it runs out of fuel? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:37:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Rewriting of code and fixing issues with POSes wont have any effect on your issue, friend.
It still wont make deployables anymore stealable, buddy.
Otherwise bubbles would be pointless, pal.
Not really sure I follow you, when POS is unpowered there is no shield. You can fly to station without any obstruction. |
Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:38:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Ugljesa wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:I think that a POS left unloved for more than 6 months should become a Rogue Drone site. Excellent idea. Though 6 months is way too much :) What, you want to be able to steal a POS... when? The instant it runs out of fuel?
Not just steal it, obviously that would be too easy. I'd like whole hack-the-station-game to play before I can actually can scoop POS objects. |
Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:42:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Why can't I steal cars that are parked at the side of the road?
I mean, its clearly just abandoned
I leave containers all the time, and they obviously get stolen. Why same logic isn't applied to POS. |
Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2071
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:43:00 -
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Ugljesa wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Rewriting of code and fixing issues with POSes wont have any effect on your issue, friend.
It still wont make deployables anymore stealable, buddy.
Otherwise bubbles would be pointless, pal. Not really sure I follow you, when POS is unpowered there is no shield. You can fly to station without any obstruction.
No shields on anchored cans, inactive bubbles or most other deployables, unless you want to make the destinction between shields and POS shields, in which case it still stands on cans and inactive bubs.
But I do kind of like the idea about hacking. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
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