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Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 00:09:00 -
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Hello all,
I'd like to bring up this subject up. Because, IMHO how things are currently set, is plain dumb.
Why we can't access, scoop or hack POS objects which are not powered(obviously abandoned) but anchored?
Penny for your thoughts.
Regards, U |
Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Ragnarok.
114
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Posted - 2014.01.08 00:18:00 -
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PoS code is old, horrible,covoluted, messy and a headache and a half for CCP to even think about looking at let alone change something in it.
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
959
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Posted - 2014.01.08 00:31:00 -
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You can always shoot it... |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2853
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Posted - 2014.01.08 00:31:00 -
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We've been begging for an update to POS's for years. For years, CCP has promised us 'Soon.' For years, they have failed to take that promise seriously.
War-dec the corp, and nuke the tower. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
2608
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Posted - 2014.01.08 00:51:00 -
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You can access offline but anchored towers just fine. You can either put fuel in them and online them, or unanchor them if you take all the fuel out. If you can't access one of your towers, fill a petition because that's a bug.
Now if you happened to ask "why can't I access someone else's tower as if it was my own" instead, then that's intended game design. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
8929
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Posted - 2014.01.08 01:01:00 -
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Ode to Search Function. By Unsuccessfual at Everything.
Oh Search Function, Your unused link long forgotten by time. Lonely you are, so lonely. For only I know where you are.
I use you all the time, But my touch alone is not enough, For you lust after the touch of others, And I am only one.
The things you do Search Function! You find what it is I seek and more! From author to topic you see it all! I feel no need to repost.
Oh Search Function, One day they'll remember you, When they cant find what they seek, Until then, you will wait.
You see Search Function, That dirty girl New Topic just gives it away, She is too easy to use, And so we see the same topics....
Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
Again.
Fin.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2856
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Posted - 2014.01.08 01:06:00 -
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:: slow clap :: Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
KnowUsByTheDead
New Eden Federation Of Justice
906
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Posted - 2014.01.08 01:35:00 -
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I want to thank the OP for signing his/her post. I would have never known who made it otherwise.
Also, shoutout for that wonderful prose. It moved me. Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Ragnarok.
117
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Posted - 2014.01.08 01:37:00 -
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KnowUsByTheDead wrote:I want to thank the OP for signing his/her post. I would have never known who made it otherwise.
Also, shoutout for that wonderful prose. It moved me.
To be fair i still don't know whos post it is. i keep thinking of Ero's alt obungawhatever |
Alex Grison
Grison Industrial Group
846
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Posted - 2014.01.08 01:57:00 -
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Because I like looking at space sticks. yes |
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Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 07:57:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:You can always shoot it... As I understand shooting takes a lot of time. Especially in high sec. |
Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 07:58:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:We've been begging for an update to POS's for years. For years, CCP has promised us 'Soon.' For years, they have failed to take that promise seriously.
War-dec the corp, and nuke the tower. Can't really do that, and all profit goes to war... |
Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2068
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Posted - 2014.01.08 07:58:00 -
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Why can't I steal cars that are parked at the side of the road?
I mean, its clearly just abandoned
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 07:59:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:You can access offline but anchored towers just fine. You can either put fuel in them and online them, or unanchor them if you take all the fuel out. If you can't access one of your towers, fill a petition because that's a bug.
Now if you happened to ask "why can't I access someone else's tower as if it was my own" instead, then that's intended game design. I was referring to second part, yes. Else I'd post it as a bug. The design is not consistent with other aspects of EVE. Can you loot abandoned containers, yes. Can you loot abandoned POS, no. Fail. |
Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:01:00 -
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Jill Chastot wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:I want to thank the OP for signing his/her post. I would have never known who made it otherwise.
Also, shoutout for that wonderful prose. It moved me. To be fair i still don't know whos post it is. i keep thinking of Ero's alt obungawhatever
What are you two blabbering about? :)
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hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:21:00 -
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I don't think you should be aloud to just take it with no work or effort, to easy and the market would flood.
I do think you should be able to hack a POS with the incursion frig. But as soon as you start to hack it the owner should get a warning that thier property is about to be taken over. This would give them a chance to protect it. Pog mo thoin |
Mascha Tzash
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
143
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:21:00 -
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Jill Chastot wrote:PoS code is old, horrible,covoluted, messy and a headache and a half for CCP to even think about looking at let alone change something in it.
I'd bet that at least one dev who rencently looked at this code decided to let it be as it is now and do sveral things:
- ask him-/herself what the original dev was thinking/doing/drinking when he/she wrote these lines - ask him-/herself how this code could ever work - be happy that it works in some miracolous ways - leave it to someone else to cope with the POS code - create soemthing new from ground up because of "it's easier to start something new than to repair something more or less broken" |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
534
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:24:00 -
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I think the entire thing has/is being re-written and all the old crap will be retired. The new deployables are part of the new development as far as I know. |
Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2069
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:25:00 -
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I think that a POS left unloved for more than 6 months should become a Rogue Drone site. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:29:00 -
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hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:I don't think you should be aloud to just take it with no work or effort, to easy and the market would flood.
I do think you should be able to hack a POS with the incursion frig. But as soon as you start to hack it the owner should get a warning that thier property is about to be taken over. This would give them a chance to protect it.
Personally I'd prefer you have to hack in to station. If you fail you trigger station point defense systems which open fire soon as the hack is detected. If you succeed, you can access, scoop..etc. |
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Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:32:00 -
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Mascha Tzash wrote:Jill Chastot wrote:PoS code is old, horrible,covoluted, messy and a headache and a half for CCP to even think about looking at let alone change something in it.
I'd bet that at least one dev who rencently looked at this code decided to let it be as it is now and do sveral things: - ask him-/herself what the original dev was thinking/doing/drinking when he/she wrote these lines - ask him-/herself how this code could ever work - be happy that it works in some miracolous ways - leave it to someone else to cope with the POS code - create soemthing new from ground up because of "it's easier to start something new than to repair something more or less broken"
Just replace the whole chunk of code if it was that poorly written. Have system engineer map all integrations of POS code, do it from ground up. |
Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:33:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:I think the entire thing has/is being re-written and all the old crap will be retired. The new deployables are part of the new development as far as I know.
Is there a dev blog you can point me to?
If so, i am one happy puppy :) |
Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:34:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Why can't I steal cars that are parked at the side of the road?
I mean, its clearly just abandoned
Maybe you don't have right skills ;) |
Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:35:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:I think that a POS left unloved for more than 6 months should become a Rogue Drone site.
Excellent idea. Though 6 months is way too much :)
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Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2069
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:35:00 -
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Rewriting of code and fixing issues with POSes wont have any effect on your issue, friend.
It still wont make deployables anymore stealable, buddy.
Otherwise bubbles would be pointless, pal. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2071
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:36:00 -
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Ugljesa wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:I think that a POS left unloved for more than 6 months should become a Rogue Drone site. Excellent idea. Though 6 months is way too much :)
What, you want to be able to steal a POS... when? The instant it runs out of fuel? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:37:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Rewriting of code and fixing issues with POSes wont have any effect on your issue, friend.
It still wont make deployables anymore stealable, buddy.
Otherwise bubbles would be pointless, pal.
Not really sure I follow you, when POS is unpowered there is no shield. You can fly to station without any obstruction. |
Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:38:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Ugljesa wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:I think that a POS left unloved for more than 6 months should become a Rogue Drone site. Excellent idea. Though 6 months is way too much :) What, you want to be able to steal a POS... when? The instant it runs out of fuel?
Not just steal it, obviously that would be too easy. I'd like whole hack-the-station-game to play before I can actually can scoop POS objects. |
Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:42:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Why can't I steal cars that are parked at the side of the road?
I mean, its clearly just abandoned
I leave containers all the time, and they obviously get stolen. Why same logic isn't applied to POS. |
Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2071
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:43:00 -
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Ugljesa wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Rewriting of code and fixing issues with POSes wont have any effect on your issue, friend.
It still wont make deployables anymore stealable, buddy.
Otherwise bubbles would be pointless, pal. Not really sure I follow you, when POS is unpowered there is no shield. You can fly to station without any obstruction.
No shields on anchored cans, inactive bubbles or most other deployables, unless you want to make the destinction between shields and POS shields, in which case it still stands on cans and inactive bubs.
But I do kind of like the idea about hacking. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
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Ramona McCandless
Epic Boo Bees
2071
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:44:00 -
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Ugljesa wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Why can't I steal cars that are parked at the side of the road?
I mean, its clearly just abandoned
I leave containers all the time, and they obviously get stolen. Why same logic isn't applied to POS.
It is.
Anchored containers cant be stolen. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Mythrandier
Spacelane Salvage
299
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:46:00 -
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Ugljesa wrote:silens vesica wrote:We've been begging for an update to POS's for years. For years, CCP has promised us 'Soon.' For years, they have failed to take that promise seriously.
War-dec the corp, and nuke the tower. Can't really do that, and all profit goes to war...
Incorrect.
We made a couple of billion wardeccing dead corps, taking down the tower and stealing all the modules.
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." --á D. Adams. |
Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:55:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Ugljesa wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Rewriting of code and fixing issues with POSes wont have any effect on your issue, friend.
It still wont make deployables anymore stealable, buddy.
Otherwise bubbles would be pointless, pal. Not really sure I follow you, when POS is unpowered there is no shield. You can fly to station without any obstruction. No shields on anchored cans, inactive bubbles or most other deployables, unless you want to make the destinction between shields and POS shields, in which case it still stands on cans and inactive bubs. But I do kind of like the idea about hacking.
We need hack-into-station-game within EVE.
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Ugljesa
1
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:56:00 -
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Mythrandier wrote:Ugljesa wrote:silens vesica wrote:We've been begging for an update to POS's for years. For years, CCP has promised us 'Soon.' For years, they have failed to take that promise seriously.
War-dec the corp, and nuke the tower. Can't really do that, and all profit goes to war... Incorrect. We made a couple of billion wardeccing dead corps, taking down the tower and stealing all the modules.
If you like shooting at station for 6~8 hours, in high sec...that just ain't my game. |
Mythrandier
Spacelane Salvage
299
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Posted - 2014.01.08 08:58:00 -
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Ugljesa wrote:Mythrandier wrote:Ugljesa wrote:silens vesica wrote:We've been begging for an update to POS's for years. For years, CCP has promised us 'Soon.' For years, they have failed to take that promise seriously.
War-dec the corp, and nuke the tower. Can't really do that, and all profit goes to war... Incorrect. We made a couple of billion wardeccing dead corps, taking down the tower and stealing all the modules. If you like shooting at station for 6~8 hours, in high sec...that just ain't my game.
This is true, it does take a while. But, its highsec... Only the most ardent of gankers will try to suicide gank a BS fleet, Netflix is your friend.
Its like AFK mining, only with explosions and space lasers. "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." --á D. Adams. |
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
108
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Posted - 2014.01.08 10:52:00 -
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6-8 hours? wtf
just bring 50 dudes in oracles and be done in under 30 mins |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1962
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Posted - 2014.01.08 14:20:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:We've been begging for an update to POS's for years. For years, CCP has promised us 'Soon.' For years, they have failed to take that promise seriously.
War-dec the corp, and nuke the tower.
To be correct we got a ''soon'' on pos revamp in 2008 .
But patience my friend , it's only been 6 years .....
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 14:23:00 -
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Ka'Narlist wrote:6-8 hours? wtf
just bring 50 dudes in oracles and be done in under 30 mins
that is a work-around the problem, and not a very good one to be honest.
Splitting loot between 50 dudes may turn this venture not to be so profitable, not to mention organization needed for that.
Idea is to introduce hack-the-station-game with in EVE.
Brains or rather skill over muscle. |
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
390
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Posted - 2014.01.08 14:41:00 -
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Ugljesa wrote:Ka'Narlist wrote:6-8 hours? wtf
just bring 50 dudes in oracles and be done in under 30 mins that is a work-around the problem, and not a very good one to be honest. Splitting loot between 50 dudes may turn this venture not to be so profitable, not to mention organization needed for that. Idea is to introduce hack-the-station-game with in EVE. Brains or rather skill over muscle.
Except to remove TZ issues the first hack would have to give the owners a 24 hour + reinforcement timer warning. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2869
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:39:00 -
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Mythrandier wrote:Ugljesa wrote:silens vesica wrote:We've been begging for an update to POS's for years. For years, CCP has promised us 'Soon.' For years, they have failed to take that promise seriously.
War-dec the corp, and nuke the tower. Can't really do that, and all profit goes to war... Incorrect. We made a couple of billion wardeccing dead corps, taking down the tower and stealing all the modules. ^^ This.
Spent a week clearing out all the abandoned towers in our home WH. Of course, didn't need to wardec them - not out there. There have grown a new crop of abandoned towers, and I suppose some day we'll go about and blap those, too.
In HiSec, bring an Oracle gang, blap the tower, clear up the leftovers, and be done in time for beers at the pub.
Edit: I don't consider the Oracle gang to be a work-around. It's the way things are designed to be done, as the POS code is written. I get that you want to be able to steal other folks' towers with no real work (other than playing 'games'), but it isn't going to happen any time soon.
Of course, if 'steal teh tower' ever becomes possible, I'll happily join in on that action, but I don't expect to ever see it. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1343
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:51:00 -
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Ugljesa wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:You can always shoot it... As I understand shooting takes a lot of time. Especially in high sec.
Neh, 6-8 hours and mine was down by 6-8 guys in 0.5. Stupid RL. |
Ugljesa
1
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Posted - 2014.01.08 17:50:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Mythrandier wrote:Ugljesa wrote:silens vesica wrote:We've been begging for an update to POS's for years. For years, CCP has promised us 'Soon.' For years, they have failed to take that promise seriously.
War-dec the corp, and nuke the tower. Can't really do that, and all profit goes to war... Incorrect. We made a couple of billion wardeccing dead corps, taking down the tower and stealing all the modules. ^^ This. Spent a week clearing out all the abandoned towers in our home WH. Of course, didn't need to wardec them - not out there. There have grown a new crop of abandoned towers, and I suppose some day we'll go about and blap those, too. In HiSec, bring an Oracle gang, blap the tower, clear up the leftovers, and be done in time for beers at the pub. Edit: I don't consider the Oracle gang to be a work-around. It's the way things are designed to be done, as the POS code is written. I get that you want to be able to steal other folks' towers with no real work (other than playing 'games'), but it isn't going to happen any time soon. Of course, if 'steal teh tower' ever becomes possible, I'll happily join in on that action, but I don't expect to ever see it.
I really don't see how that is "real" work. It's boring and repetitive. Requires much organization, and amounts of people needed to drop POS tower in high sec is huge, and seems to me as a waist.
It's obsolete code from ancient time.
What I am proposing is spicing things up. Hack the tower is not supposed to be easy, you get to be fired upon by station if your hack is detected. If you manage to hack it it's yours. |
Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.08 17:53:00 -
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Ruskarn Andedare wrote:Ugljesa wrote:Ka'Narlist wrote:6-8 hours? wtf
just bring 50 dudes in oracles and be done in under 30 mins that is a work-around the problem, and not a very good one to be honest. Splitting loot between 50 dudes may turn this venture not to be so profitable, not to mention organization needed for that. Idea is to introduce hack-the-station-game with in EVE. Brains or rather skill over muscle. Except to remove TZ issues the first hack would have to give the owners a 24 hour + reinforcement timer warning.
Another good suggestion, keep them rolling folks :)
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Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Ragnarok.
125
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Posted - 2014.01.08 18:20:00 -
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Mascha Tzash wrote:Jill Chastot wrote:PoS code is old, horrible,covoluted, messy and a headache and a half for CCP to even think about looking at let alone change something in it.
I'd bet that at least one dev who rencently looked at this code decided to let it be as it is now and do sveral things: - ask him-/herself what the original dev was thinking/doing/drinking when he/she wrote these lines - ask him-/herself how this code could ever work - be happy that it works in some miracolous ways - leave it to someone else to cope with the POS code - create soemthing new from ground up because of "it's easier to start something new than to repair something more or less broken"
Except creating brand new code is 99.999% worse. Code doesn't magically break over time and many original problems have been fixed. New code may not even work at all, so removeing something working (albeit averagely) to replace it with new and untested PoS code and workings has no guarantee of being an improvement or even working. Imagine PoS being completely unusable for months on months, that would be a bloody kicker to ever WH corp, most research corps and 80% of null corps. |
Ugljesa
1
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Posted - 2014.01.08 18:31:00 -
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Jill Chastot wrote:Mascha Tzash wrote:Jill Chastot wrote:PoS code is old, horrible,covoluted, messy and a headache and a half for CCP to even think about looking at let alone change something in it.
I'd bet that at least one dev who rencently looked at this code decided to let it be as it is now and do sveral things: - ask him-/herself what the original dev was thinking/doing/drinking when he/she wrote these lines - ask him-/herself how this code could ever work - be happy that it works in some miracolous ways - leave it to someone else to cope with the POS code - create soemthing new from ground up because of "it's easier to start something new than to repair something more or less broken" Except creating brand new code is 99.999% worse. Code doesn't magically break over time and many original problems have been fixed. New code may not even work at all, so removeing something working (albeit averagely) to replace it with new and untested PoS code and workings has no guarantee of being an improvement or even working. Imagine PoS being completely unusable for months on months, that would be a bloody kicker to ever WH corp, most research corps and 80% of null corps.
With every change, risks there are. Can't argue with that. But, why would one release defect code? In software development there are certain steps which help reduce production issues.
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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
630
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Posted - 2014.01.08 23:17:00 -
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Ugljesa wrote:
I really don't see how that is "real" work. It's boring and repetitive. Requires much organization, and amounts of people needed to drop POS tower in high sec is huge, and seems to me as a waist.
Dude that sounds EXACTLY like real work to me. It's the sort of stuff I do in the real world pretty much every day. Well, not shooting tower, but the rest of it is pretty apt. And raelly, it doesn't take all that many people. Twenty Oracles can do the job in a short time. I see fleets - Hell, I *participate* in fleets - that size in Hi-Sec all the time. Just hire some mercs to help you out.
Quote:What I am proposing is spicing things up. Hack the tower is not supposed to be easy, you get to be fired upon by station if your hack is detected. If you manage to hack it it's yours. Nope. What you're asking for is a shortcut. Unpowered towers gunna shoot at you..? Uh... No. They're going to sit there like the enormous lumps of cold alloy they are.
Get off your backside, hire a few mercs, war-dec the owner corp, smoke the tower, and split the rewards (if any) and/or put up your own tower. Hell, I know for a fact that there's a group advertising *exactly* the kind of help you need, right now, over in C&P. You don't even need to show up in person - just write the check. Hows *that* for a shortcut for ya?
CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace! -á~ Me |
Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.09 00:23:00 -
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Plastic Psycho wrote:Ugljesa wrote:
I really don't see how that is "real" work. It's boring and repetitive. Requires much organization, and amounts of people needed to drop POS tower in high sec is huge, and seems to me as a waist.
Dude that sounds EXACTLY like real work to me. It's the sort of stuff I do in the real world pretty much every day. Well, not shooting tower, but the rest of it is pretty apt. And raelly, it doesn't take all that many people. Twenty Oracles can do the job in a short time. I see fleets - Hell, I *participate* in fleets - that size in Hi-Sec all the time. Just hire some mercs to help you out. Quote:What I am proposing is spicing things up. Hack the tower is not supposed to be easy, you get to be fired upon by station if your hack is detected. If you manage to hack it it's yours. Nope. What you're asking for is a shortcut. Unpowered towers gunna shoot at you..? Uh... No. They're going to sit there like the enormous lumps of cold alloy they are. Get off your backside, hire a few mercs, war-dec the owner corp, smoke the tower, and split the rewards (if any) and/or put up your own tower. Hell, I know for a fact that there's a group advertising *exactly* the kind of help you need, right now, over in C&P. You don't even need to show up in person - just write the check. Hows *that* for a shortcut for ya?
Sorry for trying to spice up the life of EVE with something new besides mass gank fleets.
Surely POS tower could be programmed to have auxiliary power supply in case of hack's. I don't see what's wrong with that idea.
What I mind is having to finish everything with mass fleets. |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
631
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Posted - 2014.01.09 01:31:00 -
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Ugljesa wrote:Plastic Psycho wrote:Ugljesa wrote:
I really don't see how that is "real" work. It's boring and repetitive. Requires much organization, and amounts of people needed to drop POS tower in high sec is huge, and seems to me as a waist.
Dude that sounds EXACTLY like real work to me. It's the sort of stuff I do in the real world pretty much every day. Well, not shooting tower, but the rest of it is pretty apt. And raelly, it doesn't take all that many people. Twenty Oracles can do the job in a short time. I see fleets - Hell, I *participate* in fleets - that size in Hi-Sec all the time. Just hire some mercs to help you out. Quote:What I am proposing is spicing things up. Hack the tower is not supposed to be easy, you get to be fired upon by station if your hack is detected. If you manage to hack it it's yours. Nope. What you're asking for is a shortcut. Unpowered towers gunna shoot at you..? Uh... No. They're going to sit there like the enormous lumps of cold alloy they are. Get off your backside, hire a few mercs, war-dec the owner corp, smoke the tower, and split the rewards (if any) and/or put up your own tower. Hell, I know for a fact that there's a group advertising *exactly* the kind of help you need, right now, over in C&P. You don't even need to show up in person - just write the check. Hows *that* for a shortcut for ya? Sorry for trying to spice up the life of EVE with something new besides mass gank fleets. Surely POS tower could be programmed to have auxiliary power supply in case of hack's. I don't see what's wrong with that idea. What I mind is having to finish everything with mass fleets. I know spice. What you propose is not spice. You should feel bad for even claiming that it is spice.
CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace! -á~ Me |
Ugljesa
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Posted - 2014.01.09 01:33:00 -
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Plastic Psycho wrote:Ugljesa wrote:Plastic Psycho wrote:Ugljesa wrote:
I really don't see how that is "real" work. It's boring and repetitive. Requires much organization, and amounts of people needed to drop POS tower in high sec is huge, and seems to me as a waist.
Dude that sounds EXACTLY like real work to me. It's the sort of stuff I do in the real world pretty much every day. Well, not shooting tower, but the rest of it is pretty apt. And raelly, it doesn't take all that many people. Twenty Oracles can do the job in a short time. I see fleets - Hell, I *participate* in fleets - that size in Hi-Sec all the time. Just hire some mercs to help you out. Quote:What I am proposing is spicing things up. Hack the tower is not supposed to be easy, you get to be fired upon by station if your hack is detected. If you manage to hack it it's yours. Nope. What you're asking for is a shortcut. Unpowered towers gunna shoot at you..? Uh... No. They're going to sit there like the enormous lumps of cold alloy they are. Get off your backside, hire a few mercs, war-dec the owner corp, smoke the tower, and split the rewards (if any) and/or put up your own tower. Hell, I know for a fact that there's a group advertising *exactly* the kind of help you need, right now, over in C&P. You don't even need to show up in person - just write the check. Hows *that* for a shortcut for ya? Sorry for trying to spice up the life of EVE with something new besides mass gank fleets. Surely POS tower could be programmed to have auxiliary power supply in case of hack's. I don't see what's wrong with that idea. What I mind is having to finish everything with mass fleets. I know spice. What you propose is not spice. You should feel bad for even claiming that it is spice.
Oh, wait, what, we don't agree? I am shocked. |
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
467
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Posted - 2014.01.09 01:38:00 -
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Plastic Psycho wrote:Dude that sounds EXACTLY like real work to me. It's the sort of stuff I do in the real world pretty much every day. Well, not shooting tower, but the rest of it is pretty apt.
I think my days at work would be much better if after working with an utter dipshit all day I could just shoot at a tower (or shoot him from a tower...)
Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has. |
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Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
550
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Posted - 2014.01.09 03:09:00 -
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Ugljesa wrote:Jill Chastot wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:I want to thank the OP for signing his/her post. I would have never known who made it otherwise.
Also, shoutout for that wonderful prose. It moved me. To be fair i still don't know whos post it is. i keep thinking of Ero's alt obungawhatever What are you two blabbering about? :)
everyone is ignoring you because this is the 9000th topic on this issue and everything got said a long time ago. someone even wrote you a song about it. In a sandbox game you options are. 1. cry on the forums and get either trolled or war decced or ganked depending on peoples mood. (pro tip CCP designed it this way and cares nothing for your sadness). 2. war dec someone and kill their stuff. 3. Find an empty moon. 4. Give up. 5. pay someone else to effort for you. so far you have picked the option least helpful to everyone and the one most likely to result in harm to your in game persona. Please pick another option and refrain from making new topics until you actually have a new topic to make. TIA. here is a list of all the fiat currencies that didn't end up at zero value.....and here is a list of the places where a currency pegged to a real commodity has successfully co-existed with compound interest....-á Here is a physics professor explaining why sustainable growth isn't a thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY |
Bobby Frutt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2014.01.09 04:38:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Ode to Search Function. By Unsuccessfual at Everything.
Oh Search Function, Your unused link long forgotten by time. Lonely you are, so lonely. For only I know where you are.
I use you all the time, But my touch alone is not enough, For you lust after the touch of others, And I am only one.
The things you do Search Function! You find what it is I seek and more! From author to topic you see it all! I feel no need to repost.
Oh Search Function, One day they'll remember you, When they cant find what they seek, Until then, you will wait.
You see Search Function, That dirty girl New Topic just gives it away, She is too easy to use, And so we see the same topics....
Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
Again.
Fin.
EVE's search function is so bad.
I fully support repetitive threads at the very least as a means of protesting more awful UI on their part. :D
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Ugljesa
3
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:18:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote:Ugljesa wrote:Jill Chastot wrote:KnowUsByTheDead wrote:I want to thank the OP for signing his/her post. I would have never known who made it otherwise.
Also, shoutout for that wonderful prose. It moved me. To be fair i still don't know whos post it is. i keep thinking of Ero's alt obungawhatever What are you two blabbering about? :) everyone is ignoring you because this is the 9000th topic on this issue and everything got said a long time ago. someone even wrote you a song about it. In a sandbox game you options are. 1. cry on the forums and get either trolled or war decced or ganked depending on peoples mood. (pro tip CCP designed it this way and cares nothing for your sadness). 2. war dec someone and kill their stuff. 3. Find an empty moon. 4. Give up. 5. pay someone else to effort for you. so far you have picked the option least helpful to everyone and the one most likely to result in harm to your in game persona. Please pick another option and refrain from making new topics until you actually have a new topic to make. TIA.
This just plain poor attitude to change. |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
634
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:24:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:Plastic Psycho wrote:Dude that sounds EXACTLY like real work to me. It's the sort of stuff I do in the real world pretty much every day. Well, not shooting tower, but the rest of it is pretty apt. I think my days at work would be much better if after working with an utter dipshit all day I could just shoot at a tower (or shoot him from a tower...) ^^^ Yes.
I haz power of permissions. Can modify. Better than rifle, enny day: Never miss. Victim scream longer. CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace! -á~ Me |
Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken Ragnarok.
155
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:25:00 -
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Ugljesa wrote:Jill Chastot wrote:Mascha Tzash wrote:Jill Chastot wrote:PoS code is old, horrible,covoluted, messy and a headache and a half for CCP to even think about looking at let alone change something in it.
I'd bet that at least one dev who rencently looked at this code decided to let it be as it is now and do sveral things: - ask him-/herself what the original dev was thinking/doing/drinking when he/she wrote these lines - ask him-/herself how this code could ever work - be happy that it works in some miracolous ways - leave it to someone else to cope with the POS code - create soemthing new from ground up because of "it's easier to start something new than to repair something more or less broken" Except creating brand new code is 99.999% worse. Code doesn't magically break over time and many original problems have been fixed. New code may not even work at all, so removeing something working (albeit averagely) to replace it with new and untested PoS code and workings has no guarantee of being an improvement or even working. Imagine PoS being completely unusable for months on months, that would be a bloody kicker to ever WH corp, most research corps and 80% of null corps. With every change, risks there are. Can't argue with that. But, why would one release defect code? In software development there are certain steps which help reduce production issues.
Because CCP https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unreadOATHS wants you. Come to the WH |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3019
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:46:00 -
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I like the OPs idea. I think POSs being anchored indefinitely is stupid too... they and related structures should unanchor on their own after x amount of time sans fuel.
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Ugljesa
4
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:59:00 -
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Gogela wrote:I like the OPs idea. I think POSs being anchored indefinitely is stupid too... they and related structures should unanchor on their own after x amount of time sans fuel.
If you don't mind Ill add this to main body of message. |
Ugljesa
4
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Posted - 2014.01.09 22:05:00 -
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I bet, all people who are against this change stand to lose a lot of POS towers. |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
635
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Posted - 2014.01.09 22:08:00 -
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Ugljesa wrote:I bet, all people who are against this change stand to lose a lot of POS towers. What did I just win? Is it a Fedo? It is, isn't it? CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace! -á~ Me |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
962
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Posted - 2014.01.13 02:08:00 -
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POS bash fleet, keeping a bit of "MM" into "MMO". |
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