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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:29:00 -
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Logan Revelore wrote:If you want your game to last 20 years there comes a point where you have to do an engine optimization. I know this can cost some years of development, but I believe it's necessary, especially if we want to bring EVE closer together with Dust and Valkyrie in the future.
I'm 80% sure that it has to be done eventually. They're already doing it. Just not in the boneheaded way the OP is suggesting. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
933
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:34:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Logan Revelore wrote:If you want your game to last 20 years there comes a point where you have to do an engine optimization. I know this can cost some years of development, but I believe it's necessary, especially if we want to bring EVE closer together with Dust and Valkyrie in the future.
I'm 80% sure that it has to be done eventually. They're already doing it. Just not in the boneheaded way the OP is suggesting.
And, just to be clear, they've been actively doing it since the development of the Incursion expansion. It's neither a new nor a small effort.
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
906
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:37:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Making "EVE 2.0" is too hard and requires too much time and resources. CCP cannot stray from their "5 year roadmap" that gives us personal Stargates and wormhole space 2.0.
This is nothing more then a rumor...
True, If they weren't developing dust, wod and valkyrie you might stand a chance of getting an eve 2.0 Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8227
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:46:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Making "EVE 2.0" is too hard and requires too much time and resources. CCP cannot stray from their "5 year roadmap" that gives us personal Stargates and wormhole space 2.0.
This is nothing more then a rumor... True, If they weren't developing dust, wod and valkyrie working with a 10 year old program they can't afford to stop supporting in lieu of writing an entirely new one from scratch you might stand a chance of getting an eve 2.0 FTFY My EVE Videos |
Lucretia DeWinter
Star Frontiers Test Alliance Please Ignore
83
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Posted - 2014.01.08 23:27:00 -
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I don't give a crap how many threads you run, dropping 10,000 people into a system will still lag.
Seeing as we're living in fantasy la-la land here, I long for the day when we can have nanodriven quantum flux state computers that can dynamically respond to demands and reconfigure themselves on the fly instantaneously providing an instant response to any requirement and limitless scalability.
In short, TiDi is as good as it gets (until the Singularity anyway) so as long as they keep improving and iterating it, EVE will keep improving.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.01.08 23:32:00 -
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Lucretia DeWinter wrote:Seeing as we're living in fantasy la-la land here, I long for the day when we can have nanodriven quantum flux state computers that can dynamically respond to demands and reconfigure themselves on the fly instantaneously providing an instant response to any requirement and limitless scalability. The GÇ£I can't be played on Record Player XGÇ¥ record comes to mindGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Initiative
4330
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Posted - 2014.01.09 00:42:00 -
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brutalbutneutral wrote:Rumors have it that new space is going to open up in comming expansions. My guess with all the TIDI that is happening in big fights CCP wants to use new technology (multithreaded EVE) for this space (or at least i hope so :)
So what do you think?
I think that massively distributed parallel systems are massively complicated, and that Eve Online is a game that draws its value from player created content. CCP would literally be better off introducing a bunch of unasked for new mechanics in an attempt to drive away subs than in rewriting and rereleasing Eve Online without the currently existing player created content.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Vageena Clatoris
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.01.09 00:58:00 -
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Ssoraszh Tzarszh wrote:Eve Online version information:
'AHUWAHUWAHIE I GOTS XP FROM KILLING BOAR'
Mooommmmmm bathrooommmmm .........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cuQ9mhvQCs
You got to be a big boy to play eve ;)
Don't forget the hot pockets :P |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1549
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Posted - 2014.01.09 02:34:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Making "EVE 2.0" is too hard and requires too much time and resources. CCP cannot stray from their "5 year roadmap" that gives us personal Stargates and wormhole space 2.0.
This is nothing more then a rumor... True, If they weren't developing dust, wod and valkyrie you might stand a chance of getting an eve 2.0 I have to give them credit for trying!
Dust 514 was awesome..................................................on paper and presentations, I find UT 2K4 more fun then Dust!
WOD is dead in the water. It's something that CCP wanted to branch out into, but bit off more then it can chew and is forced by contract (as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong here.) to finish it, too bad there isn't a "due date" for the project, and is currently on a skeleton crew.
Valkyre has some potential, it's lacking the mulitplatform support though. I highly doubt the mainstream playerbase will buy the Rift, let alone Valkrye. So, sales will be very limited! And, from the Collectors Edition Mystery Code, it's a known fact that people who hold those numbers are entitled to a special fighter. Which alone suggests that it will have Microtransactions up the ass!
Fix Dust and "port" it to PS4, ditch the constant ******* "patches" around microtransactions (Having EA guys leading this project, I'm not expecting anything but microtransactions!) and give us more game mode for **** sakes!
Sell WOD already, it's a ******* waste of time and money at this point. EA or Blizzard would prolly pick it up, at least break even on that!
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Seeing as I'm not a stockholder nor on the CSM, I might as well be yelling at the wall... ... |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
397
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Posted - 2014.01.09 04:51:00 -
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brutalbutneutral wrote:Rumors have it that new space is going to open up in comming expansions. My guess with all the TIDI that is happening in big fights CCP wants to use new technology (multithreaded EVE) for this space (or at least i hope so :)
So what do you think?
The biggest issue a server side bottle neck caused by its single thread access to the processor. |
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1085
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Posted - 2014.01.09 05:31:00 -
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brutalbutneutral wrote:Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:Make more systems =/= Make a new engine Not neccaseraly no, but they will never fix lag/tidi with the current software because of single threading. So building new (multithreading) technologie for new space seems pretty likely to me.
They will never fix lag period, because so many people connect at once.
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Prince Kobol
1328
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Posted - 2014.01.09 07:49:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Making "EVE 2.0" is too hard and requires too much time and resources. CCP cannot stray from their "5 year roadmap" that gives us personal Stargates and wormhole space 2.0.
This is nothing more then a rumor... hahahaha 5 year road map.. hahahaha Yeah, is this is same company that had the vision of WIS? I would hope you would have the ounce of intelligence necessary to discern how these two situations are more than a little different. Seriously what the ****, ccp? If it 404s when I try to post why must I wait out your stupid timer? lol... bad isn't it when you try and defend CCP and their forums have a fit. I thought I was defending CCP. I was pointing out how the situations are different. Their vision for WiS was scrapped because of player outrage and overwhelmingly negative feedback, particularly since it was so closely tied to the Aurum/NEX Store scandal. By contrast their latest plan has been received rather positively.
NO, the WIS was scrapped because after years of Hype and money being spent the only thing we got was a room with a closed door and burnt out graphic cards.
You honestly think that if CCP delivered a rich full WIS environment as envisaged that players would of wanted it to be scrapped? |
brutalbutneutral
Prepare To Meet Thy Doom
13
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Posted - 2014.01.09 07:58:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:Tippia wrote:brutalbutneutral wrote:You know that thingy when youre docked and you can walk in station? That is an entirely different engine on the same shard. GǪexcept that WiS is handled separately from space, so it's not the same as having new systems. brutalbutneutral wrote:If it works on the new space then they would use it for normal space indeed. They need something to massive test it so this would be ideal. No, it would be utterly stupid. If it can't be used for normal space, it can't be used, period. For massive tests, there is Singularity. beyond being handled separately from space, isnt WiS STILL the CARBON Engine? just using different assets and mechanics, which is why characters still "float" on an XYZ axis instead of actually walking with any weight? Also WiS is handled client-side as i recall (just a clarification of what Tippia said)
Ok, did not know this. Thanks for the clarification! So then no. EVE (2.0) wont happen. Post can be closed. |
BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
391
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Posted - 2014.01.09 16:29:00 -
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As much as I LOVE the idea of new spaces... it would be nice if I saw more than 1 person every 15 jumps in nullsec before that happened. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
Bael Malefic
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.01.09 16:42:00 -
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brutalbutneutral wrote:Rumors have it that new space is going to open up in comming expansions. My guess with all the TIDI that is happening in big fights CCP wants to use new technology (multithreaded EVE) for this space (or at least i hope so :)
So what do you think?
I think you like starting rumors.
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Bellanea Rajanir
Poseidaon
10
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:08:00 -
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I have seen new engine, here. Unfortunately, it's not about New Eden. :( |
Red Teufel
Mafia Redux Phobia.
330
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:24:00 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:As much as I LOVE the idea of new spaces... it would be nice if I saw more than 1 person every 15 jumps in nullsec before that happened.
incentives need to be created for people to go to those systems. if only a few out of a few hunded systems are any good don't expect to find tons of people in each system. Organizations in eve have grown so large that there really isn't enough space. or random breaks in space to create power vacumes ect. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
1022
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:26:00 -
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brutalbutneutral wrote:Rumors have it that new space is going to open up in comming expansions. My guess with all the TIDI that is happening in big fights CCP wants to use new technology (multithreaded EVE) for this space (or at least i hope so :)
So what do you think?
Terrible troll.
We are talking about people who add "extra materials" to blueprints because they can't be bothered to go back and change the base blueprint numbers. People who sell lag as a "fix" for poor coding. People who's five year plan is five years behind.
Sadly, I don't think we'll ever see EvE 2.0, unless a new company builds it.
CCP, trading shiny pictures for playability since 2003.. EvE, a cutting edge game. The only game to provide Matrix style gameplay for the masses! (trouble is, most people don't have 9 hours to waste on a one hour fight.) |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18808
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:33:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:We are talking about people who add "extra materials" to blueprints because they can't be bothered to go back and change the base blueprint numbers. People who sell lag as a "fix" for poor coding. EhGǪ you do understand why Gǣextra materialsGǥ were added, right? It has nothing to do with not being bothered to change stuff, but with actually bothering to do it rightGǪ
And never once have they sold lag as a fix for anything.
Quote:People who's five year plan is five years behind. Which plan are you talking about here? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
392
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Posted - 2014.01.10 16:22:00 -
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Red Teufel wrote:BoBoZoBo wrote:As much as I LOVE the idea of new spaces... it would be nice if I saw more than 1 person every 15 jumps in nullsec before that happened. incentives need to be created for people to go to those systems. if only a few out of a few hunded systems are any good don't expect to find tons of people in each system. Organizations in eve have grown so large that there really isn't enough space. or random breaks in space to create power vacumes ect.
It's not incentive people need - it's balls. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
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Silence iKillYouu
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
256
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Posted - 2014.01.11 01:37:00 -
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They need to do something. EVE is becoming outdated.
More moving parts More physics Option to actually fly and use countermeasures EVE Mail me i dont check forums often. |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
403
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Posted - 2014.01.11 01:45:00 -
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If you're somehow suggesting we're still on the exact same engine as in 2003, please go sit in a corner can think about what you just suggested. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1649
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Posted - 2014.01.11 01:48:00 -
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What do you think Valkyrie is? |
Pius Rova
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2014.01.11 01:51:00 -
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According to the login screen it would seem that we passed "EVE 2.0" years ago, and are now in fact playing EVE 8.0 |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1049
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Posted - 2014.01.11 01:55:00 -
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brutalbutneutral wrote:So what do you think?
I think you have no clue about developing software. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Johan Civire
The Lyran Empire
812
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Posted - 2014.01.11 03:25:00 -
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Compare eve 1.0 back in 2003 and now 2014 this is version 2.0 done. end of debate. If you don`t know how code`s or machine code`s work don`t ask. If you think eve is based on a unreal ENGINE. Its not a Engine. Eve have no engine. Well tidi is a engine. But eve is not. Eve is a group code thats why its so hard to crack it. < cheaters you know. Based on group the pull one out made a new and put that back in. |
Kawaiian Breeze
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2014.01.11 07:28:00 -
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brutalbutneutral wrote:My guess with all the TIDI that is happening in big fights CCP wants to use new technology
Supercaps have waay too much EHP is why theres soo many dudes in a big fight and so much tidi. All they gotta do is nerf carriers and supercaps and fights would be back to manageable levels.
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brutalbutneutral
Prepare To Meet Thy Doom
13
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Posted - 2014.01.15 16:09:00 -
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Johan Civire wrote:Compare eve 1.0 back in 2003 and now 2014 this is version 2.0 done. end of debate. If you don`t know how code`s or machine code`s work don`t ask. If you think eve is based on a unreal ENGINE. Its not a Engine. Eve have no engine. Well tidi is a engine. But eve is not. Eve is a group code thats why its so hard to crack it. < cheaters you know. Based on group the pull one out made a new and put that back in.
what huh i never!
Ofcourse there's an engine. Every game has an engine. The eve engine fires python and while python is fine, this is happening:
'in any Python program, no matter how many threads and how many processors are present, only one thread is being executed at any time.'
Python experts have crafted a standard answer: "Do not use multiple threads. Use multiple processes."
In a single shard environment this means you need a lot processors in order to proces all the single threads. |
Ursador Greymane
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.01.15 16:51:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:They should probably finish 1.0 first
This..
As a new player, with a GTX780Ti, I've been doing some checking on disappearing window bugs that are related to Direct X 11.. complaints that have been reported for a couple years now, that still are not fixed. CCP's fix is to tell people to downgrade to DX9, which has it's own set of issues, like frame drops leaving stations and gates (which don't happen in the DX11 client btw). |
ElQuirko
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
3187
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Posted - 2014.01.15 16:52:00 -
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brutalbutneutral wrote:Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:Make more systems =/= Make a new engine Not neccaseraly no, but they will never fix lag/tidi full stop FTFY. Lag is a fact of life, latency will always exist in some format. TiDi is a fantastic solution - I can tell you never saw the old days. Dodixie > Hek |
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