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Amarisen Gream
The Rice Fields Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.09 05:46:00 -
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Hello CSM, as you guys can talk to CCP more often then we do
please point their mac guys to
Wine
much love xoxo Amarisen Gream
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Sum Olgy
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:10:00 -
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What, specifically, is wrong with the Mac client? I play fairly often and see no discernible difference |
TheMercenaryKing
StarFleet Enterprises Almost Awesome.
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:19:00 -
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"Macs are awesome" "macs are hip" "macs dont get viruses"
heh Macs cant play eve. |
Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.09 22:51:00 -
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Of course you're missing the fact that doing a Wine-based client does nothing for Mac users when the Cider-based client and its updates are handled by a Transgaming, who is dedicated to providing ~quality~ releases to the Mac client. Doing it via Wine includes no support via the appropriate internal channels at CCP or Transgaming.
You're more than able to do things in a similar fashion to a linux installation on your shiny, over-priced paper weight, but thats no reasons to ask CCP to drop a much more cost-effective client for Mac and devote extra resources to building a Wine-based client for a small portion of the playerbase. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword |
Amarisen Gream
The Rice Fields Galactic Skyfleet Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.10 14:52:00 -
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Lykouleon wrote:Of course you're missing the fact that doing a Wine-based client does nothing for Mac users when the Cider-based client and its updates are handled by a Transgaming, who is dedicated to providing ~quality~ releases to the Mac client. Doing it via Wine includes no support via the appropriate internal channels at CCP or Transgaming.
You're more than able to do things in a similar fashion to a linux installation on your shiny, over-priced paper weight, but thats no reasons to ask CCP to drop a much more cost-effective client for Mac and devote extra resources to building a Wine-based client for a small portion of the playerbase.
The question I raise up to your comments > is it more cost effective? CCP probably has to pay Transgaming for the rights to use Cider. Cider, I'm sorry to say is just a shell on top of a wine program. Yeah, you have people who, at Transgaming wake up, go to work and work on fixing bugs in their software, but as far as I can tell, a large chunk of their software is freeware, that they go and modify to make it easier for other companies to add support for windows apps to mac.
CCP already has a Mac devision that maintains the updates to the mac, and provides the polish to the UI. Problem, many of the cool extra features are not on Mac. Twitch, not there. I know that on the Corp Info panel, I can't click the little E (settings) icon to provide function for corporation benefits. Yeah, these you might say are small things and not worth the headache of making such a big change.
> But lets look at it this way < For the last hundreds of years, people fought, bled and died for equal rights. These "minority" groups fought. Mac is a minority group among PCs, but there is no rightful cause to exclude them just b/c their OS is different. You might think I'm being extreme, but it would be the same if CCP said that red-skinned people couldn't play EVE, only White people, or even Yellow-skinned people.
And then your whole poke about my shiny over-priced paper weight. Sounds like you profiling. At least my OS doesn't change so much from version to version I have to get a "Windows for Dummies" to understand what these so called blocks are for; or even disable most of the new UI features so I can figure out, what my great and wonderful Microsoft did.
:D xoxo Amarisen Gream
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Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.11 23:59:00 -
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Amarisen Gream wrote:CCP already has a Mac devision that maintains the updates to the mac No, they don't. That's all handled by Transgaming as part of the maintenance of the Mac EVE client. Major production changes that occur that need changes to Cider to run are handled by Transgaming, all other elements that involve DirectX or win32 binaries are supported by the Cider engine or handled by Transgaming's bug division. This was all detailed here.
It is more cost-effective as CCP doesn't have to devote developer resources on their part to maintaining the Mac client. Instead, they release to Transgaming and let Transgaming handle the Mac build concurrent to the development of the Windows version. In the end, this saves CCP the costs of a single Mac division and investing in a separate build environment for the Mac client, plus the usual hoo-dads of translating DirectX and the win32 API to a non-native system. With a pure wine distribution, CCP would lose the farmed-out aspect of the code, would have to significantly invest in developing a stable Wine-based distribution system, and would then lose hundreds of man hours that could be more effectively used to just developing the game normally. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword |
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