They are. Someone posted it in the Infinity Ziona Threadnaught of Lies, and since I wasted so much time in that thread I remember that particular piece of stats distinctly.

Which kinda makes me sad, considering that I have trouble remembering my sibling's birthdays since I got married. But then, I have a lot of siblings.

Why would you want to play with people that have little interest or skill in PvP?

It's not just nullsec. It's low and wormholes too. Highsec risk/isk ratio is too skewed toward isk, and that's the end of it. They need either more risk or less isk.

It's theoretical upper bounds for a single person (single person is the key there) are higher, yes.

But not the average per player. It's nowhere close. Yes, there are a few guys out there making bank, but you can say the same thing of the highsec trading magnates.

But you cannot say that the anomnomnoms are there for all in nullsec. So very much of that space is truesec that is barely worth living in. Fit for nothing but renters and day trippers.

This is because the income in nullsec is subtractive, whereas the income in highsec is only multiplicative. That's the real problem. Yeah, 1 guy out of 100 can make a ton doing anoms in nullsec.

But 100 out of 100 can farm an L4 all day.

Those are the exception, not the rule. Otherwise no one would do it.

If highsec actually were dangerous, and these numbers not just the product of people taking advantage of the stupid sheep who won't defend themselves, then other areas of space would be more viable.

Because this is a one universe game.

The concept of one group who does not play with any real risk receiving equal or near equal rewards as people who actually accept risk is fairly distasteful.

At the basis it is not, bounties and salvage/loot are what they are, the isk rewards from missions are pocket change, only the LP matters if one can optimize the mission farming.
But the LP/isk ratio is market related, it depends on the desirability of the items sold.
Cut down the LPs and the items will be more rare, their price will go up, and the isk/LP ratio will grow and the same people will do the same amount of money through less LPs, that's all.
The only change will be that people with lower income will not be able to buy some of the things anymore, and if their income is subpar then they couldn't buy much already, so it won't be a big enough loss of customerhood that the prices will get down because of it.
It will only decrease the access to content for some people.

On the complexes I agree that they should be more numerous in null sec than what they are if, considering the low number of active residents, people have to resort to high sec farming.

High sec income is prefered because it is safer, not because it is safe.

It's about time to stamp these 5 man highsec corps out of existence anyway.

Why?

Which is why my suggestion has been for some time to leave their payouts alone, and increase their risk.

Make wardecs generate killrights on a person who drops corp during a war. That'd be a good step for starters. If people don't like it, then there's always NPC corps, which if they dec dodge they belong in anyway.

It's about time to stamp these 5 man highsec corps out of existence anyway.

No. This will cause inflation. Inflation is so bad it's hard to adequately describe it.

Actually giving people a reason to live in nullsec, you know, increase their ability to perform industrial activities and improve their infrastructure and such, would be more helpful.

If you're awake, it is almost impossible to die in highsec. It's too safe, if anything.

Bots all but abandoned null years ago. They make more isk in far greater safety in high sec.

I am not saying that there are more botters in null than in high, but to say it doesn't go on is a little naive, to say the least.

The fact that there isn't inflation right now does not GÇ£disproveGÇ¥ the theory. In fact, it rather highlights the reason why it is a valid and relevant way of tracking the economy.

I blame them as partially responsible for the poor newbie turnaround rate and overall poor new player experience.

Right around 80% of botting occurs in just 9 HS regions.

To me, that sounds like botters have pretty much abandoned Null.

So what ?

Regular hi-sec players can hardly be blamed for those who are cheating CPP and indeed the rest of us.

That most botting happens in hi-sec does not mean that it is hi-sec players doing the botting, for all we know it could be lo-sec and null-sec players botting in hi-sec.

So what ?

Regular hi-sec players can hardly be blamed for those who are cheating CPP and indeed the rest of us.

That most botting happens in hi-sec does not mean that it is hi-sec players doing the botting, for all we know it could be lo-sec and null-sec players botting in hi-sec.

Where in my post did you find me blaming anyone for anything? I'm just saying that the evidence supports the assertion that "botters have pretty much abandoned Null."

Botters put their bots where they can make the most profit. HS offers them several advantages over null (some general, and some bot specific), and no significant disadvantages since the income is about the same.

Wrecking hi-sec won't fix nullsec.

Hi-sec needs some rebalancing in areas like industry, but the aim of any change to a game should be to make it better not worse.

And whats wrong with hisec industry.? i though that nullsec industry is borked and need serious buff..

And whats wrong with hisec industry.? i though that nullsec industry is borked and need serious buff..

Null Sec Industry does need fixing but HS Indy also needs to be rebalanced. You cant do one without the other.

The issue that I have with HS Industry is the very low cost and the availability of manufacturing slots.

As it stands at the moment, manufacturing in a HS station (or Low sec station if your building caps) is better then any other option in every respect.

Although i agree that hisec manufacturing costs should be higher than manufacturing costs in player owned outposts (so nullsec industrials could compensate higher isk costs for transportation and logistics), i dont understand why do you want to reduce manufacturng slots in hisec... Its overcrowded here already.

Null Sec industry did just have a serious buff.

i dont understand why do you want to reduce manufacturng slots in hisec... Its overcrowded here already.

Although i agree that hisec manufacturing costs should be higher than manufacturing costs in player owned outposts (so nullsec industrials could compensate higher isk costs for transportation and logistics), i dont understand why do you want to reduce manufacturng slots in hisec... Its overcrowded here already. Reducing manufacturing slots would just bottleneck offers (while demand stays high) and prices would skyrocket again... its againist the logic


RE: Tippia: ditto

Wrecking hi-sec won't fix nullsec.

Hi-sec needs some rebalancing in areas like industry, but the aim of any change to a game should be to make it better not worse.

Although i agree that hisec manufacturing costs should be higher than manufacturing costs in player owned outposts (so nullsec industrials could compensate higher isk costs for transportation and logistics), i dont understand why do you want to reduce manufacturng slots in hisec... Its overcrowded here already. Reducing manufacturing slots would just bottleneck offers (while demand stays same) and prices would skyrocket again... its against the logic