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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2014.01.17 05:08:00 -
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Andski wrote: Yes, they get to shoot war targets without paying the war bill themselves, but if they lose a ship, there's no replacement.
If there is replacement, there must be cheap doctrines enforced (see also: bombless bombers). If someone is rich enough to throw away T3s in stupid station games, who am I to tell him to stop and fly a Tornado instead?!
You probably still don't get it (your directors do, hence they activated their highsec pet): there are a bunch of bored highsec PvP-ers and PvP alts of missioners who can't do anything with their money. I just channel their boredom into shooting Goons. They would shoot N3 just as happily. They risk their ships, they spend their time, I just have to pay the war bill.
For one week war I pay 0.5B. A week haven't even passed and there is already 1.5B damage to Goons and pets. That's 300% ROI.
Yes, there is also 1.1B damage to the Lemmings. But that's not my loss. Those ships would have been lost anyway in duels, lowsec roams or an RvB Ganked fleet due to the very boredom that drives players to Lemmings.
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Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
48
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Posted - 2014.01.17 05:14:00 -
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Actually, its a $0 return on investment, unless you actually scooped 1.5bill in loot from our wrecks.
Don't tell me you've lost your economics mojo as well? It was (arguably) the only thing you had going for you. |
Davish Krail
56
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Posted - 2014.01.17 05:32:00 -
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Man that 60% efficiency Darwin's Lemmings has is really showing just how good they are at hub camping.
I think you'll find it's 2.24B ISK. Sure, the Lemmings have killed 28(!) Capsules and 17(!!) Frigates, but Cruisers aren't their strong point.
Effectively speaking they've only killed 47 ships. Capsules don't really count. |
Renegade Heart
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
77
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Posted - 2014.01.17 06:00:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:They would shoot N3 just as happily. They risk their ships, they spend their time, I just have to pay the war bill.
Pretty much this. As for economics, well that is boring to me. I could have kept my POS up running T2 indy jobs. Or I could be ratting all day long. But what fun is that really? |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
91
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Posted - 2014.01.17 06:06:00 -
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Davish Krail wrote:Sure, the Lemmings have killed 28(!) Capsules and 17(!!) Frigates, but Cruisers aren't their strong point.
Effectively speaking they've only killed 47 ships. Capsules don't really count.
You mean we aren't winning fast enough? |
Renegade Heart
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
77
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Posted - 2014.01.17 06:12:00 -
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I only got 2 solo kills on the Jita undock. And I managed to get 0 damage onto a 3rd KM with my tornado. Then I got bored and decided to try something else. I guess I suck.
I mean, I could've stayed in Jita and got 20 kills right? |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2014.01.17 06:14:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:Davish Krail wrote:Sure, the Lemmings have killed 28(!) Capsules and 17(!!) Frigates, but Cruisers aren't their strong point.
Effectively speaking they've only killed 47 ships. Capsules don't really count. You mean we aren't winning fast enough?
You aren't winning at all because we aren't competing with you. We are laughing at you because what you are doing doesn't impact on anything we give even the tiniest **** about. |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
92
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Posted - 2014.01.17 06:18:00 -
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Arkady Romanov wrote:You aren't winning at all because we aren't competing with you. We are laughing at you because what you are doing doesn't impact on anything we give even the tiniest **** about.
What would you do if you'd give the tiniest ****, I wonder? Post 20 pages maybe? Or send 7000 pets to stop us? |
Renegade Heart
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
77
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Posted - 2014.01.17 06:21:00 -
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Arkady Romanov wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:Davish Krail wrote:Sure, the Lemmings have killed 28(!) Capsules and 17(!!) Frigates, but Cruisers aren't their strong point.
Effectively speaking they've only killed 47 ships. Capsules don't really count. You mean we aren't winning fast enough? You aren't winning at all because we aren't competing with you. We are laughing at you because what you are doing doesn't impact on anything we give even the tiniest **** about.
So says the largest alliance in the game, that asked RvB to come and save them. Well you got me out of VFK I guess. I'm in Josameto now, and I actually managed to kill local, although that was not my intention.
One RvB'er seemed a bit annoyed when I asked about it. Now hopefully I can get some tornado kills before I go pop again
Once all this is over I am gonna make it my mission to run around null grabbing loots from your ESS units, unless of course you guys managed to whine enough that CCP cancel the idea.
MTUs are okay though right? |
General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
32
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Posted - 2014.01.17 07:58:00 -
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Arkady Romanov wrote:Actually, its a $0 return on investment, unless you actually scooped 1.5bill in loot from our wrecks. It all depends who is telling you that.....
And stop caring about the killboard...... thats so 00 space. |
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Enya Dorne
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.01.17 10:47:00 -
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You also seem to pay some of your lemmings to do missions in Genesis and then they link their KM's and get laughed out of local. maybe Gevlon you should cut your funding to them? seeming like it isn't ISK efficient if people are doing missions instead of camping Jita's undock. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2423
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Posted - 2014.01.17 10:49:00 -
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General Lemming wrote:Arkady Romanov wrote:Actually, its a $0 return on investment, unless you actually scooped 1.5bill in loot from our wrecks. It all depends who is telling you that..... And stop caring about the killboard...... thats so 00 space. ????? You realise it's you guys that are spewing out the killbaord going "look at what we did". Honestly, reading some of your posts, I wonder how you get your pants on in the morning, let alone run an alliance. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2423
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Posted - 2014.01.17 10:52:00 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:So says the largest alliance in the game, that asked RvB to come and save them. Well you got me out of VFK I guess. I'm in Josameto now, and I actually managed to kill local, although that was not my intention. So just to be clear, what you are essentially saying here is that you don;t know anything about the current politics in the game and while it would be simple for you to verify that RvB in fact entered into a POCO agreement with goons well before your little alliance, you prefer to not bother as that way you can still pretend you are relevant right?
Good show, this thread is marvellously entertaining. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2544
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Posted - 2014.01.17 10:57:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:[quote=Andski]For one week war I pay 0.5B. A week haven't even passed and there is already 1.5B damage to Goons and pets. That's 300% ROI. I'm not surprised you don't know much about economics, but misunderstanding the concept of ROI is pretty awful. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
35
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Posted - 2014.01.17 10:58:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: wonder how you get your pants on in the morning, let alone run an alliance. I fully understand why you wonder this,,,,, 1+1=2
Its nice to see how many 00 LEET PRO's care about us high sec bears...... Even Goonie directors coming to the forums to give financial advice and why we shouldn't spend all our isks on something fun. Which we probably made with selling plex, as we have no clue how economics work
You must be poor 00 players.... BOUNTY option .... >>> that way. |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2544
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:00:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:Davish Krail wrote:Sure, the Lemmings have killed 28(!) Capsules and 17(!!) Frigates, but Cruisers aren't their strong point.
Effectively speaking they've only killed 47 ships. Capsules don't really count. You mean we aren't winning fast enough?
It's roughly equivalent to SOCO telling us over and over how they were "winning" based on killboard stats instead of strategic objectives.
Do you need a history lesson or do you know how that turned out?
I have to say, it's almost like you picked up one of our failscade bingo cards and have seen it as a recipe of success or something. It's confusing just how many you're ticking off. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
36
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:07:00 -
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Khanh'rhh, please calm down.... this isn't good for you. Its just a 1 week old alliance, no stress mate, its good..... let it be..... ignore it. No need for stress, RvB assistance, forum raging, e-peen comparing, wasting you very important time....etc .
Use your time wisely and see how good your relations with your blues are
Repeat after me : Ammooooooooooo hummmm.........veeee...... |
Davish Krail
56
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Posted - 2014.01.17 11:43:00 -
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How many strategic objectives has the Lemmings taken? This was all about POCOs right?
Oh wait it was actually about Gevlon being dunked by one Goon. Don't mind me.
And how long can you use the "It's a one week old Alliance"? You are going to have to stand on your own eventually, right? |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2423
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Posted - 2014.01.17 12:06:00 -
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General Lemming wrote:Its nice to see how many 00 LEET PRO's care about us high sec bears...... Even Goonie directors coming to the forums to give financial advice and why we shouldn't spend all our isks on something fun. Which we probably made with selling plex, as we have no clue how economics work Goons post everywhere. That's kinda their thing. And no, we know where you got you isk from, from high sec. And you are welcome to spend it however and on whatever you like. But none of that will make anything you do relevant to null players. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Usman Bello
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.01.17 12:32:00 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:One RvB'er seemed a bit annoyed when I asked about it. Now hopefully I can get some tornado kills before I go pop again
I honestly doubt that most of the RvB chaps are happy about this whole thing, given what RvB used to be about. Certainly not ending up as the POCO-Slaves of the goon empire....
Besides, it would have been so much smarter on RvBs part to simply sit back and do nothing and then take the POCOs for themselves.
The Lemmings can't hold nor want them, their goal is to simply to p*** off the goons ( seems to work nicely - kudos! ) and drive them out.
At some point it is inevitable that the goons will find themselves at a point where it's just not worthwhile to keep the POCOs, be the reason time or ISK wasted. This is just basic guerilla warfare 101. The Goons simply lack the presence in highsec and keeping those POCOs will just be a PITA for them.
RvB on the other hand has a strong highsec presence and can hold on to them. In the end they are the true masters of this POCO space and if you ask me they should actually take what is theirs.
Ok, RvB suddenly siding with the lemmings is not gonna happen. They lack the balls for that, goon pets are neatly housebroken - but the idea is simply hilarious.
Anyway good job @ the goblin for starting this. This whole david vs. goliath guerilla movement is just pure fun to read about and I shall join or support you at some point. |
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General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
37
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Posted - 2014.01.17 12:47:00 -
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Davish Krail wrote:How many strategic objectives has the Lemmings taken? This was all about POCOs right?
Oh wait it was actually about Gevlon being dunked by one Goon. Don't mind me.
And how long can you use the "It's a one week old Alliance"? You are going to have to stand on your own eventually, right? Hallooooo my special friend, do you even check things before you blabbb replies ? I will give you a HINT :
1 week old alliance..... |
Renegade Heart
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
79
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Posted - 2014.01.17 13:15:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:So says the largest alliance in the game, that asked RvB to come and save them. Well you got me out of VFK I guess. I'm in Josameto now, and I actually managed to kill local, although that was not my intention. So just to be clear, what you are essentially saying here is that you don;t know anything about the current politics in the game and while it would be simple for you to verify that RvB in fact entered into a POCO agreement with goons well before your little alliance, you prefer to not bother as that way you can still pretend you are relevant right? Good show, this thread is marvellously entertaining.
No I know absolutely nothing about politics at all. You got me!
Indeed it never occurred to me to ask about when RvB would be joining the war in my first few hours of joining the alliance. That was quite a surprise when that happened.
Also, I like to pretend I am relevant to other people sometimes, but the simple fact is, that I am merely having fun in a game, where the relevance of my actions matters to nobody but myself.
After all, this game isn't really an MMO right?
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2546
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Posted - 2014.01.17 13:47:00 -
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Usman Bello wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:One RvB'er seemed a bit annoyed when I asked about it. Now hopefully I can get some tornado kills before I go pop again I honestly doubt that most of the RvB chaps are happy about this whole thing, given what RvB used to be about. Certainly not about ending up as the POCO-Slaves of the goon empire.... Why on earth would you possibly think POCOs that print ISK, and more free targets to shoot for a PVP outfit wouldn't be something they want?
At some point you ggrrrrrGOONS types need to take a step back from your own clenched teeth and see it from the POV of the other guys; we have a mutually beneficial pact which allows us to share complete control over any POCO we chose to.
I'm sorry that makes you all flip out with rage.
Maybe you should just use them instead of complaining, or do you think Lord Randian of house aspie would give you a lower tax rate than we do? (he won't) "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2546
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Posted - 2014.01.17 13:49:00 -
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FYI you can ignore my common-sense reasoning and deduction, because clearly you can only post on a forum when you're mad about something.
Which makes the OP, er ...
Damn this is awkward for you guys either way. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
38
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Posted - 2014.01.17 14:16:00 -
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UMAD BRO ? |
Usman Bello
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.01.17 14:24:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:... we have a mutually beneficial pact which allows us to share complete control over any POCO we chose to.
May I ask what is so _mutually_ beneficial about this arrangement of yours?
So far it seems rather one sided and the only contribution from the goons is to cry on the forum until RvB came to the rescue.
I mean maybe RvB sees themselves more like a plaything, not a real alliance that can hold the POCO space by its own and requires the allowance of the powers that be to get a share. But from my perspective as a bystander they seem to be the actual power in this conflict.
Khanh'rhh wrote: FYI you can ignore my common-sense reasoning and deduction, because clearly you can only post on a forum when you're mad about something.
Welcome to the land of the crazy people, Mr. Logic-Deductor. Don't take this so serious bro.
Anyway have fun shooting eachother |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
727
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Posted - 2014.01.17 14:27:00 -
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I quite like this war, its like RvB, but on a bigger scale, and best of all, Gevlon gets to pay for it.
I hope he is funding your SRP :)
The downside is, he gets to blog about how he totally is not like any other high sec wardec group that has ever existed, but, hey, fun over coffee in the morning is why we go there anyway, right?
And can someone give me an answer about the stated win objective of this war, which is the total removal of all Goon, and I guess now, RvBee POCOs.
How many have come down this week?
I know this is not Darwins stated objective, but, it is Gevlons aim, as he does not partake in shooting for fun, cos internet spaceships are super srs business. Fluffy Bunny Pic! |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
276
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Posted - 2014.01.17 14:30:00 -
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Please put this thread out of its misery. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ |
General Lemming
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
38
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Posted - 2014.01.17 14:32:00 -
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I just had a good laugh about an RvB mail send. A nice quote :
Quote:For example; Lemming03 warps to Jita in his Slave set, he gets podded and loses a 3bil pod. He then must pay 3.01bil to RvB or be removed from the community.
Why do they use the words Lemmings and Jita. Is this maybe, because getting podded by Lemmings in Jita is bad d
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Renegade Heart
Darwins Lemmings Holding Darwins Lemmings
79
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Posted - 2014.01.17 14:33:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Please put this thread out of its misery.
Bumping it won't help |
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