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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2006.03.20 19:24:00 -
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Quote: 2006.03.20 19:20:19 notify No scan signatures detected
This has become the most annoying display msg in eve, has anyone actually had continuose success using them?
All i seem to be able to use them for is to find people that have logged in combat and thus the pods are 1.000.000km away and can be found with 3 probes in a row.
Anything more than 100.000.000 and I have no success.
Ive tried triangulation, with 3au probes, the target was on the same plane and was within 2.5au of each probe and still the same damm msg.
Anyone got any hints or tips, or links to a manual?
[And Wrangler > j00 -Eldo
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.03.20 19:27:00 -
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It's difficult, he may have moved etc, or may be just that little bit above the plane (in which case yu cant catch him)
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2006.03.20 19:30:00 -
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Tbh, its happening all the time, and I try to get them on 15 degree too. Do you know id the probes are going to get fixed so that they can scan 360 degree?
[And Wrangler > j00 -Eldo
I pwnt Wrangler - Tenacha |
Sicex
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Posted - 2006.03.20 19:30:00 -
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The height of the 'plane' is 1 AU up or down, right?
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.03.20 19:33:00 -
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A long time ago when I first used scan probes they did work for objects that I triangulated and dropped 3au probes on.
But the last few times I've tried, I've only had success on the 1 au spots where you drop all 3 probes. I wish they'd just fix the bookmark lag so I could find safespots the old fashioned way.
Shamis
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Deadeye Dave
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Posted - 2006.03.20 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Tenacha Khan Tbh, its happening all the time, and I try to get them on 15 degree too. Do you know id the probes are going to get fixed so that they can scan 360 degree?
I think they are changing it in Kali ...
Originally by: Dev Blog Seamless Map - Combat Organization Project
We want to intergrate the full map with the pilots view and zoomed out tactical view, adding the 3-d solar-system view, up to the new map view, all in one seamless zoom. We then tie into this the Activity map, the new Exploration and improved System scanning which is then fully 3-d.
Improved System Scanning - Combat Organization Project
System scanning would utilize the new Seamless map to be in full 3-d in a solar-system view, with improvements in usage and functionality
-Deadeye Dave
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Donna Darko
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Posted - 2006.03.20 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tenacha Khan
Quote: 2006.03.20 19:20:19 notify No scan signatures detected
This has become the most annoying display msg in eve [...]
Anyone got any hints or tips, or links to a manual?
I agree, it's the most frustrating for me too.
Read my signature, there's a guide in there that may help you UNDERSTAND them, but not use them better. I hear they will scan 3-dimmensionally in Kali... whenever that is.
Let's pray they'll be more useful then. ---------- Please fix the scan probes!!! (also included a guide how to use them) |
Dirtball
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Posted - 2006.03.20 19:54:00 -
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3au = 450,000,000 or at least thats how many 0s in the scanner
If you are way off the x,y axis you won't get found either.
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Donna Darko
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Posted - 2006.03.20 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dirtball 3au = 450,000,000 or at least thats how many 0s in the scanner
If you are way off the x,y axis you won't get found either.
let me know the moment you manage to find a ship that's 400 000 000 km away, k? ...seing how it's impossible, I'd like to see it. ---------- Please fix the scan probes!!! (also included a guide how to use them) |
Psycarne
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Posted - 2006.03.20 20:02:00 -
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They are completely random. I have found abandoned ships on the exact same plane as myself, using bookmarks who I could not find within 3 AU with probes. They are completely inconsistant. ------------- Order of the Wombles: Recycling those untidy modules on your ship.
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Commander Nikolas
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Posted - 2006.03.20 20:04:00 -
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Who said probes were getting fixed? Link to the thread would be nice.
To answer your question, yes we have figured out how to use them with like 90% success assuming the target hasn't warped to another location etc.
Don't drop them all in the same spot and don't try to truly triangulate them. Both methods only get a signature once in a great while.
Drop all 3 of your 3 AU probes within 1 AU of each other. As an example: Drop probe 1 at planet XI, Drop probe at asteroid belt XI - 1, and Drop the third probe at planet XI - Moon 1.
This seems to work almost 100% of the time, where as the other two methods fail again and again...
If you are curious about other size probes... they are completly broken and rarely work. To pin someone down who has made a safespot between 2 distant objects, figure out the distance in AU using your scanner. Then warp to the location and creat a couple bookmarks enroute that will be roughly 3 AU from their location (might take a couple people or multipule warps)
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Donna Darko
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Posted - 2006.03.20 20:44:00 -
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Boobies man himself, err... Hammerhead said it. ---------- Please fix the scan probes!!! (also included a guide how to use them) |
Dirtball
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Posted - 2006.03.20 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Donna Darko let me know the moment you manage to find a ship that's 400 000 000 km away, k? ...seing how it's impossible, I'd like to see it.
if you click on add bookmark you get a coordinate, then you put that coordinate in something like autocad, then you use simple distance scanning to triangulate the position of the object you want to find. You should be able to figure out the rest. in Autocad the "slice" command is the most helpful from here on out. Also if slice doesn't work you'll need to make the number smaller, like instead of 123456789012 use 123456.789 Too bad I didn't figure this out until like 2 weeks before the scan probe patch, I only managed to get a taranis, maller, wolf and some other cruisers and frigs
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Lodhi
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Posted - 2006.03.20 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Donna Darko
Originally by: Dirtball 3au = 450,000,000 or at least thats how many 0s in the scanner
If you are way off the x,y axis you won't get found either.
let me know the moment you manage to find a ship that's 400 000 000 km away, k? ...seing how it's impossible, I'd like to see it.
It's actually possible to find any spot you want, problem is that it's so time consuming it's not worth it. And if there is more ships of the same class as the one your searching for is close to impossible to find the correct scan signature. It's doable tho, but takes ages. And in the long run it's mutch easier to just go for the 1-3au scans.
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Ange1
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Posted - 2006.03.21 00:15:00 -
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Having used them often, I agree they are rather inconsistant at times with what they will or will not find. I had immense difficulty scanning for battleship signatures with an Observator probe the other day when my own battleship was sitting in space. No signatures detected and they scan the entire system. I've also been within the 1AU plane and still they wont' find anything. ======================= The Establishment is at your service...
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Cvuos
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Posted - 2006.03.21 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tenacha Khan
Ive tried triangulation, with 3au probes, the target was on the same plane and was within 2.5au of each probe and still the same damm msg.
The probe has a 3AU diameter, and each probe needs to be in range of the signature, so in case of 2.5 AU you were simply out of range. It's really the radius that matters, 1.5 AU. And considering the 1AU range in the vertical plane, getting as close as possible with bookmarks is often better.
Dropping bookmarks is dead easy when the safespot is in line between two celestial objects, a bit time consuming when it's between two safespots and impossible if made with a mission bookmark or similar.
It doesn't take much time getting used to dropping bookmarks, three or four warps (narrowing down all the time) should get you close enough to get two bookmarks on either side of the target within 1AU. Warp somewhere else, then drop a third bookmark while warping to one of the first to get a decent triangle. I've never missed a scan like this, apart from when the [expletive] warped off.
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2006.03.21 12:42:00 -
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wait a sec...the scan radius is 1.5au? I never actually read it, I always took it to mean that the scan radius was 3au on a 3au probe.
Well **** that, I should really read the instructions more often
Tenacha > ISD - Ten
And Wrangler > j00 -Eldo I pwnt Wrangler - Ten |
Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2006.03.21 12:45:00 -
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and tbh, most of the people i know thought the same.
I begin to wonder why no-one else picked up on this too...now the reason why they are not working has become pretty aparant
Tenacha > ISD - Ten
And Wrangler > j00 -Eldo I pwnt Wrangler - Ten |
Cvuos
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Posted - 2006.03.21 13:07:00 -
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now more innocent people will die oh god what did I do
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2006.03.21 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Cvuos now more innocent people will die oh god what did I do
infact, less innocent people will die now, they will just get ransomed instead of ganked
Tenacha > ISD - Ten
And Wrangler > j00 -Eldo I pwnt Wrangler - Ten |
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Donna Darko
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Donna Darko on 21/03/2006 17:19:08
Originally by: Tenacha Khan I begin to wonder why no-one else picked up on this too...now the reason why they are not working has become pretty aparant
You haven't read my signature and the guide I posted there, have you? Here, a direct link for your lazy ass.
At Lodhi, I think he was reffering to the 3 AU scan probes, and in that case, what I said was true. ---------- Please fix the scan probes!!! (also included a guide how to use them) |
Donna Darko
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dirtball if you click on add bookmark you get a coordinate, then you put that coordinate in something like autocad, then you use simple distance scanning to triangulate the position of the object you want to find. You should be able to figure out the rest. in Autocad the "slice" command is the most helpful from here on out. Also if slice doesn't work you'll need to make the number smaller, like instead of 123456789012 use 123456.789 Too bad I didn't figure this out until like 2 weeks before the scan probe patch, I only managed to get a taranis, maller, wolf and some other cruisers and frigs
My brain is slow today, so bear with me, but I wasnÆt able to follow. HereÆs what I understood: 1) find a ship on your scanner, which is limited to 14 au, while systems may have more than 150 AU in between celestial objects. 2) when and if you find it, make 4 (or more) bookmarks around it at 3 AU. 3) use a software for which the licence costs 3750$ USD to plot the 4 bookmarks. 4) ...do something else...
OK, I follow step 1 and 2 with no problem. At step 3, I find a software that plots stuff in 3D and thus find the exact position of the target ship in this other software. Then what? Keep warping between my 4 bookmarks, making new ones and keep hoping that a slice made between 3 points will overlap the target ship?
Do you know any software that can do the 3D plotting and the ôsliceö feature that is available for free?
Also, what ôscan probe patchö are you talking about? ---------- Please fix the scan probes!!! (also included a guide how to use them) |
Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:10:00 -
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doing what he said you can figure out exactly where the ship is and between what celestial objects, so you know to drop a bm between planet 1 and 3 5au out, then go from that bm towards the sun 6 au. . This was the best way to bust safe spots before scan probes.
Tenacha > ISD - Ten
And Wrangler > j00 -Eldo I pwnt Wrangler - Ten |
Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Donna Darko Edited by: Donna Darko on 21/03/2006 17:19:08
Originally by: Tenacha Khan I begin to wonder why no-one else picked up on this too...now the reason why they are not working has become pretty aparant
You haven't read my signature and the guide I posted there, have you? Here, a direct link for your lazy ass.
At Lodhi, I think he was reffering to the 3 AU scan probes, and in that case, what I said was true.
I read your guide after i read the rest of the replies, thnx for it. Made me 50mil within 5mins of logging in
Tenacha > ISD - Ten
And Wrangler > j00 -Eldo I pwnt Wrangler - Ten |
vanBuskirk
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Posted - 2006.03.22 11:06:00 -
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Weeelll...
It's a maths issue. Solar systems in EVE are largely in a plane or nearly so, as is the only one we really know about, the Sol system.
Why is this relevant? Well, a full triangulating 3D scan would need 4 probes, and at least one of them would have to be out of the system's plane; and how would you get there in the first place to drop the probe?
The only solution to this would be self-propelled probes with the option to travel, in warp, several AU out of plane. Of course, the snag with this from a pirate's point of view is that the victims would be able to do the same, thus making it much easier to make difficult-to-find safespots.
So do you want to have to use more probes, and really need the astrometrics skill to decent level to pirate at all?
Personally, I love the idea. But then, I'm not a pirate. ---------------------------------------------- "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." ---------------------------------------------- |
Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2006.03.22 13:57:00 -
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To be honest, the scanning should become more technial, with more tools.
I would love to be able to make marks on the system map, I have notes and scribbles all over the place with lines and distances
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Kovalsky
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Posted - 2006.03.22 15:42:00 -
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Tencha why would you want to be able to do that?
So you could do immature things like this?
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2006.03.22 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kovalsky Tencha why would you want to be able to do that?
So you could do immature things like this?
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Archa
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Posted - 2006.03.22 16:15:00 -
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can you find warp gates with probes?
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2006.03.22 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Archa can you find warp gates with probes?
yes
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