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Elusive Panda
The Sky People
6
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Posted - 2014.04.03 17:14:00 -
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"High-Sec" is not "Risk-free sec", EVE is a harsh, cold and unforgiving game for those that enjoy the playstyle, I don't know of any other like it besides UO (and that one is starting to be old).
If you insist on running L4 while being blind and oblivious to any threat, then use a T2 fitted Battleship like a sentry Domi, you'll only lose 300/400 mil and potentially make yourself a very unappealing target for would be ganker.
A speed tanking T3 will net you about the same mission completion speed while being a lot more elusive, by the time the catalyst lands on you, you will have put a lot of distance between their warp in and might just warp off in time.
If you really, really must use a deadspace fitted pirate battleship for your L4 missioning, then may I suggest you act accordingly and use D-Scan to spot incoming threat while being aligned? You are, after all, willingly flying around with a target on your back. |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
542
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Posted - 2014.04.03 17:49:00 -
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Becca Dallocort wrote:It is really very sad when gankers, think they are elite pvper's, they live in high sec because if they where to live in nullsec they would be the victims, they are really very sad people in real life, so they choose to use their frustration against others, i know that this will be trolled but i dont care, cause i live in nullsec, where i face real pvper's not the cowards of highsec piracy and ganking. So do whatever you want, but remember this, as much as you tell yourself that you are the big fish, you are just alittle minnow compared to nullsec, and i dont care how many roams and what links you post, the fact remains, you dont have the fortitude to live there on a permanent basis.
Look, another "I think nullsec is the endgame" post.
Fail. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
542
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Posted - 2014.04.03 18:00:00 -
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Matogg wrote: You've done precious little to make the game of EvE a better one and that is why I recommend for any gank consisting of 2 or more ships in high sec the perps get a 14 day ban for 1st offense , a 30 day ban for 2nd offense and a permanent BOOT for anything more . Lets see how many perps go all the way to #3 . Not many I'll bet !
This is the best terribad idea to grace the forums in a long time.
Dude, (or gal, w/e)
Ganking is part of the game, so there wont be any bans. If it was a bannable offense to gank, ships wouldnt be permitted (by the game programming) to fire on one another without consent.
Its EvE. Deal with it or get out, but dont ruin the game for the rest of us. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
199
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Posted - 2014.04.04 13:59:00 -
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I can't believe this thread is still going. Can't you mouth breathing sociopath gankers find an interesting way to play the game. Besides the immorallity of ganking - it's just easy mode crap. Grow up, get a life and make something of yourselves. |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
542
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Posted - 2014.04.04 14:36:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:I can't believe this thread is still going. Can't you mouth breathing sociopath gankers find an interesting way to play the game. Besides the immorallity of ganking - it's just easy mode crap. Grow up, get a life and make something of yourselves.
You do know im not going to let you troll, right? Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
120
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Posted - 2014.04.04 15:55:00 -
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Am I the only one here who actually understands the problem?
Too many ships get ganked too easy!
It hurts the game!
We should permaban all these victims who make it look like idiots are playing this game!
Less victims, less ganks!
Problem solved! |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
199
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Posted - 2014.04.04 16:28:00 -
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They only have to read the thread to see the truth of it. You sir have now accrued 2.45 demerits for fun spoilage.
Side not (sorry to the OP - the sensless slaughter must end) are you actually in your corps wh or just part of a corp that has a wh? |
Becca Dallocort
Renegade Enterprises
5
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Posted - 2014.04.04 19:23:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Becca Dallocort wrote:It is really very sad when gankers, think they are elite pvper's, they live in high sec because if they where to live in nullsec they would be the victims, they are really very sad people in real life, so they choose to use their frustration against others, i know that this will be trolled but i dont care, cause i live in nullsec, where i face real pvper's not the cowards of highsec piracy and ganking. So do whatever you want, but remember this, as much as you tell yourself that you are the big fish, you are just alittle minnow compared to nullsec, and i dont care how many roams and what links you post, the fact remains, you dont have the fortitude to live there on a permanent basis. Look, another "I think nullsec is the endgame" post. Fail.
actually i you are the fail, come up with something original to post, if you prefer to pvp in highsec it is your choice, i know the risks when i undock, but since you can't seem to understand a post, i do fell sorry for you, i will use little words so your head doesnt hurt from trying to understand big ones. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17685
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Posted - 2014.04.04 20:51:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:I can't believe this thread is still going. Can't you mouth breathing sociopath gankers find an interesting way to play the game. Getting real tired of seeing this "you're a sociopath" line of bullshit; it's a game FFS. Ganking is interesting btw, maybe not to you, but certainly to others.
Quote:Besides the immorallity of ganking - it's just easy mode crap. Grow up, get a life and make something of yourselves. How is it immoral? How do you suggest that gankers grow up, get a life and make something of themselves, bearing in mind of course that Eve is a game, not RL?
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Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
545
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Posted - 2014.04.04 22:05:00 -
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Becca Dallocort wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Becca Dallocort wrote:It is really very sad when gankers, think they are elite pvper's, they live in high sec because if they where to live in nullsec they would be the victims, they are really very sad people in real life, so they choose to use their frustration against others, i know that this will be trolled but i dont care, cause i live in nullsec, where i face real pvper's not the cowards of highsec piracy and ganking. So do whatever you want, but remember this, as much as you tell yourself that you are the big fish, you are just alittle minnow compared to nullsec, and i dont care how many roams and what links you post, the fact remains, you dont have the fortitude to live there on a permanent basis. Look, another "I think nullsec is the endgame" post. Fail. actually i you are the fail, come up with something original to post, if you prefer to pvp in highsec it is your choice, i know the risks when i undock, but since you can't seem to understand a post, i do fell sorry for you, i will use little words so your head doesnt hurt from trying to understand big ones.
Oh I do so love these. Where to start....Oh.. here we go. First, I dont PVP in highsec. I dont live in Highsec. I barely set foot there unless I get a connecting WH. Secondly, since you wish to brag about your "use of big words", I guess we should address your usage of lowercase letters to start sentences, bad spelling and the fact that your post is one long run-on.
Just so you do realize this, nullsec is pretty much the safest of all security zones. So, get nullsec's balls out of your mouth. (The large asteroids, of course!)
Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Psychotic Monk for CSM 9 |
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
2076
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Posted - 2014.04.07 00:19:00 -
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Oh well. The skillless deserve kills too I guess. If CCP is happy to pander to them while losing customers it's not my problem. CCPs problem. Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4461
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Posted - 2014.04.07 00:23:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Oh well. The skillless deserve kills too I guess. If CCP is happy to pander to them while losing customers it's not my problem. CCPs problem.
Says the guy who proudly proclaims that he ISBoxes stealth bombers.
I rolled my eyes so hard I have a headache. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
2076
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Posted - 2014.04.07 02:20:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Oh well. The skillless deserve kills too I guess. If CCP is happy to pander to them while losing customers it's not my problem. CCPs problem. Says the guy who proudly proclaims that he ISBoxes stealth bombers. I rolled my eyes so hard I have a headache. Lmao. Try isboxing stealth bombers and tell me it's easy. Takes a lot of effort and it's expensive to learn to do. Unlike sitting in high popping ships with alpha and nothing to lose. Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4463
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Posted - 2014.04.07 02:34:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Oh well. The skillless deserve kills too I guess. If CCP is happy to pander to them while losing customers it's not my problem. CCPs problem. Says the guy who proudly proclaims that he ISBoxes stealth bombers. I rolled my eyes so hard I have a headache. Lmao. Try isboxing stealth bombers and tell me it's easy. Takes a lot of effort and it's expensive to learn to do. Unlike sitting in high popping ships with alpha and nothing to lose.
"What I do is hard and I'm awesome and what other people do is easy and they're bad."
Yep, totally believable.
Hey, how are those pocos going? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2464
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Posted - 2014.04.07 05:44:00 -
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I still love this thread.
The tears are an added bonus to the tasty, tasty carebear loot. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Matogg
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.04.07 06:15:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I still love this thread.
The tears are an added bonus to the tasty, tasty carebear loot.
Since the pro-gankers are much more vocal than the carebears you obviously refer to I'd say it sounds like a distant "CRY" that sounds something like this :
Boo-Hoo-Hoo ! Don't take my fun away ! I like being a carebear PvPer making loads of isk without having to risk much . Definately beats the other 3 areas in EvE where I'd actually have to worry about being shot just for flying around there .
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4468
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Posted - 2014.04.07 07:04:00 -
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Matogg wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I still love this thread.
The tears are an added bonus to the tasty, tasty carebear loot. Since the pro-gankers are much more vocal than the carebears you obviously refer to I'd say it sounds like a distant "CRY" that sounds something like this : Boo-Hoo-Hoo ! Don't take my fun away ! I like being a carebear PvPer making loads of isk without having to risk much . Definately beats the other 3 areas in EvE where I'd actually have to worry about being shot just for flying around there .
The other 3 areas... that carebears won't go to either? I mean, what point are you trying to make?
That "we" go where the targets are? Duh. Especially when the targets are as soft, fattened, and as prone to slack in their own defense as you lot. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Varathius
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
50
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Posted - 2014.04.07 09:47:00 -
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Mojo Joo wrote:A gang of only 12 destroyers did 1500 billions damage in few weeks: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Megamaks+T44Look on this and notice that something looks very wrong there... also notice how much money they make from the loot they get... This guys effectively do a genocide between people who do missions, and if CCP not change something, i bet that at this rate of killings they will gone lose a lot of subscribers. Is very obvious that is way to easy to kill very expensive ships in very cheap ones, and moreover, with new dumb pro-piracy feature of sec status instant boost, using pirate insignias, gankers can get security status back instant, and keep going on suicide gank ships at infinitum as long is very profitable too. They cannot be stopped in that cheap and fast ships, killrights dont have any use because of same reasons... So guys take care and brick tank your ships, but that will not help to much as long they use enough destroyers...
Life in pixel space is a *****, ain't it? |
Jarghul Nightowl
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2014.04.07 15:13:00 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:Mojo Joo wrote:glorious tears Welcome to EVE. Working as intended. If you are too stupid to notice a spike in local, or that suddenly SISTERS COMBAT SCANNER PROBES on d-scan, you deserve to lose your blingy mission boat. I recommend you discover the joys of mining, or gas harvesting, or planetary interaction. Of course, you better get a permit, if you plan on doing it in hisec. TLDR HTFU, you pansy.
Everybody watch out! We have a bad ass over here !
back to topic:
I quite agree mantaining the sec status and to please Concord is way to easy. That beeing said, High Sec Citizens have to change their attitudes towards their ships. Buying that faction ship or that marauder, naming it Betty Sue and pumping it full shiny stuff is not the final word in EvE.
It doesen't matter if it is a 2 mill Frigate or a 2 bill marauder, your attitude towards the ship should always be " Allright, I invested time and money in you, now pay me back double before you blow up."
Don't treat your ships like you treat your girlfriends and wives, treat your ships like a pimp treats his whores. They are there to make him money, not to look pretty or shiny. |
general beanflicker
Merchants Trade Consortium The Last Chancers.
11
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Posted - 2014.04.07 17:50:00 -
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Mojo Joo wrote:A gang of only 12 destroyers did 1500 billions damage in few weeks: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Megamaks+T44Look on this and notice that something looks very wrong there... also notice how much money they make from the loot they get... This guys effectively do a genocide between people who do missions, and if CCP not change something, i bet that at this rate of killings they will gone lose a lot of subscribers. Is very obvious that is way to easy to kill very expensive ships in very cheap ones, and moreover, with new dumb pro-piracy feature of sec status instant boost, using pirate insignias, gankers can get security status back instant, and keep going on suicide gank ships at infinitum as long is very profitable too. They cannot be stopped in that cheap and fast ships, killrights dont have any use because of same reasons... So guys take care and brick tank your ships, but that will not help to much as long they use enough destroyers...
the simple answer is dont fly stoopidly expensive ships that make you a target if you fly a 2 bill ship in a l4 mish then you deserve to get it blown out from under you |
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Matogg
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.04.08 05:18:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
The other 3 areas... that carebears won't go to either? I mean, what point are you trying to make?
That "we" go where the targets are? Duh. Especially when the targets are as soft, fattened, and as prone to slack in their own defense as you lot.
Believe me when I tell you that you're making my point . If you think your hi-sec targets are "soft" and "fat" and don't defend themselves then maybe they just can't , effectively ! Maybe they just don't have enough protection .
A miner sees a ship cruise into a belt . It could be anything . Even something that doesn't look dangerous like a miner or maybe a hauler but it has a passive targeter mod and unknown to the miner it makes a bookmark of the exact position of the miner . It buzzes off and suddenly the miner is beset by several catalysts that drop right in on his position to blow him up at close range . Not something that would happen very often to an alert miner in the "other 3 areas" but is a common practice in high sec where gankers take advantage of the huge number of pilots there . If you ran from every shadow in hi-sec you wouldn't be able to mine much and thats a fact not lost on gankers .
You think there are NO carebears in in null sec ? Think again . The difference is fewer pilots and the general knowledge that anything that is NOT blue is assumed to be an enemy .
You think there's no PvP in null sec ? I'll assure you that there is . In fact PvPers are more sought after than any other profession out there since these are the people that keep the corps and alliances from being taken over by others looking for new territory . If you mine out there or do PL or are an industrialist you ARE expected to go to any of their CTA's [call to arms] in the best ship you can fly effectively . A good PvPer is a STAR and anything else comes in 2nd best !
A PvPer in high sec is generally considered to be like the hunter who's not real good and is satisfied to shoot at chitmunks and sparrows .......rabbits if they don't bite . |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4497
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Posted - 2014.04.08 05:26:00 -
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Matogg wrote: Believe me when I tell you that you're making my point . If you think your hi-sec targets are "soft" and "fat" and don't defend themselves then maybe they just can't , effectively ! Maybe they just don't have enough protection .
This character is in a highsec teaching alliance, that is very new player friendly. Last year we were at war with Marmite 5 or 6 separate times, because we managed to **** off someone with deep wallets. Among other random wardecs, we probably were at war for about 9 months out of 12 last year.
I would mission in a faction battleship, with a few faction and deadspace mods. For hours at a time. That battleship has never been destroyed by war targets. Came close once to a logon trap, but the Micro Jump Drive saved the day.
So believe me when I say that it's not "can't." If you play the game even incredibly halfassed, it's almost impossible to die in highsec. So the only conclusion is that they are playing it beyond incredibly halfassed. It's not "can't" defend themselves, it's "won't". Whether that is from laziness or stupidity, or some combination of both, I have yet to discover.
The rest of your post is just you spouting off, so I ignored it. Grr, rabbit hunting, apparently. Turns out rabbit is pretty tasty, especially seasoned with tears. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Cannibal Kane
Somali Coast Guard Authority
3544
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Posted - 2014.04.08 06:21:00 -
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Is that nameless NPC Corp Nothing still talking crap in this forum.
Why are you people feeding a Nothing NPC Corp alt? "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. He flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. His hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. It was truly majestic. And while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off. Because I am like that." - NEONOVUS |
Flying Lawnmower
Hedion University Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.04.08 06:28:00 -
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I mission in highsec with a fairly blingy (about 1,2 bil) Tengu and guess what? I keep my eyes on d-scan set to short range, I pay attention and I'm always on guard. Thanks to the T3 being so fast and agile I was always already initiating warp by the time they actually popped up on overview. The only time I lost a T3 was a doctrine fit which I whelped because I was too lazy to d-scan for bubbles.
I suggest all those complaining join a nullsec corp for few months, that will teach you to be careful with your stuff, then come back to mission in highsec. Trust me, it'll help. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1759
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Posted - 2014.04.08 06:32:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: I would mission in a faction battleship, with a few faction and deadspace mods. For hours at a time. That battleship has never been destroyed by war targets. Came close once to a logon trap, but the Micro Jump Drive saved the day.
We're always trying to get better standings to have more and more locators. We run missions all the time when targets are docked up or playing skillqueue online. I'm not baller enough to get out my Navy Raven to do it like you, but that's because along with all the other things in Eve I'm bad at, I am continually poor and would cry if it got blown up. But we'll do cruisers or battlecruisers.
So far 0 ships have been lost while we were missioning. "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion
***** Psychotic Monk and DJ FunkyBacon for CSM ***** |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4500
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Posted - 2014.04.08 06:36:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: I would mission in a faction battleship, with a few faction and deadspace mods. For hours at a time. That battleship has never been destroyed by war targets. Came close once to a logon trap, but the Micro Jump Drive saved the day.
We're always trying to get better standings to have more and more locators. We run missions all the time when targets are docked up or playing skillqueue online. I'm not baller enough to get out my Navy Raven to do it like you, but that's because along with all the other things in Eve I'm bad at, I am continually poor and would cry if it got blown up. But we'll do cruisers or battlecruisers. So far 0 ships have been lost while we were missioning.
Navy Apocalypse, actually. "Toe-May-Toe!"
You also mistook a bit of my meaning. This character's corp was the defender. I was doing this while being actively hunted. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1760
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Posted - 2014.04.08 06:49:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: You also mistook a bit of my meaning. This character's corp was the defender. I was doing this while being actively hunted.
Well I like to think that when at war both sides would be doing the hunting. Probably naivete on my part, but it's my first corp's fault. When we were dec'd by someone who wanted to kill one of our offline POS's, we spent the week hunting that corps members. Got my first PvP kill during that war. I target painted the guy to death.
We're at war with a larger scarier bunch of mercs* right now. I'm hunting them just like any other war target. If I ever find one separated from the pack that I think I can kill, I'll go for it.
* we're not mercs and we're not scary at all. more like cuddly tapirs. "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion
***** Psychotic Monk and DJ FunkyBacon for CSM ***** |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4501
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Posted - 2014.04.08 06:58:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: You also mistook a bit of my meaning. This character's corp was the defender. I was doing this while being actively hunted.
Well I like to think that when at war both sides would be doing the hunting. Probably naivete on my part, but it's my first corp's fault. When we were dec'd by someone who wanted to kill one of our offline POS's, we spent the week hunting that corps members. Got my first PvP kill during that war. I target painted the guy to death. We're at war with a larger scarier bunch of mercs* right now. I'm hunting them just like any other war target. If I ever find one separated from the pack that I think I can kill, I'll go for it. * we're not mercs and we're not scary at all. more like cuddly tapirs.
Oh, I agree, both sides ought to be doing the hunting. But we typically just say screw it, and go into lowsec for the duration. This one war though, goodness. They kept it going for damn near 2 months.
I just got tired of it one day, since my market alt was out of stuff to sell, jumpcloned into Amarr space, and started farming LP for a Navy Auguror. That's right, I sell LP items and Ice. Which, for a suicide ganker and awoxer, is pretty hilarious if you ask me.
Oh, and I imagined your last sentence in Sigourney Weaver's voice, just so you know. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1229
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Posted - 2014.04.08 07:00:00 -
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Jarghul Nightowl wrote:
Don't treat your ships like you treat your girlfriends and wives, treat your ships like a pimp treats his whores. They are there to make him money, not to look pretty or shiny.
Hey, if they don't look pretty they don't make money.
The real solution to this is actually better mission mechanics that don't call for totally different mentality to PvP, and that reward several pilots working in a fleet. A gang of 2 navy BS & 2 T1 Logi with T2 fittings & buffer tank will be way way harder to gank than active tanks forced by the solo centric design. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1761
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Posted - 2014.04.08 07:10:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Oh, and I imagined your last sentence in Sigourney Weaver's voice, just so you know.
Intended.
"You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion
***** Psychotic Monk and DJ FunkyBacon for CSM ***** |
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