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Kerosene
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Posted - 2006.03.21 12:29:00 -
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This is my 4th post on the matter and just an update since I think you guys need this canary.
I used to have 400ms ping before 8th March. It went to 500-600ms until last Friday. It dropped to 400ms again from Friday DT to Sunday DT. Rose to 500-600ms again since Sunday dt.
Now I'm mentioning this again because during downtime today (Tues), there were brief periods when I could ping 87.237.38.201 and at first I got 400ms then it went down again. 10 minutes later it went up again and 400ms. 20 minutes after that it came up for the last time and it's now 600ms.
So whatever you were testing during downtime was working, it's not working now. I'm connecting from China so particularly susceptible to any network changes at your end. Please investigate this.
Kero __
Originally by: Galaxian
I'd like to add that as a penalty for warping out, Chowdown recieved a /heal0 from the devs, and his ship promptly exploded.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.21 12:43:00 -
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I think it is a little unfair to expect CCP to fix the internet.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Abraxus
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Posted - 2006.03.21 12:53:00 -
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agreed, speak to your isp?
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Kerosene
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Posted - 2006.03.21 12:57:00 -
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There we are. Just got back to 423ms 10 seconds ago. __
Originally by: Galaxian
I'd like to add that as a penalty for warping out, Chowdown recieved a /heal0 from the devs, and his ship promptly exploded.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.03.21 12:59:00 -
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Bit offtopic but is EVE playable even with 400? ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Kerosene
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Posted - 2006.03.21 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys Bit offtopic but is EVE playable even with 400?
Take my word for it.. it definately is. I've spanked people with far better connections than me. I get very little lag when it's at 400ms, but it does makes me slightly more vulnerable in fleet battles. __
Originally by: Galaxian
I'd like to add that as a penalty for warping out, Chowdown recieved a /heal0 from the devs, and his ship promptly exploded.
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Corair
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Posted - 2006.03.21 13:03:00 -
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Should be - that's less than half a second delay. Pretty sure EVE doesn't update like Quake 3 or heavy data-driven game, it's more of a "you press a button, game checks with server, server says 'OK' and your game performs the physics." --------
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.21 13:06:00 -
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Do you have any idea on how the intraweb works?
Oh, youre using ping as a network diagnostic tool, I guess you dont then.
Ping means... NOTHING in todays internet.
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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Kerosene
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Posted - 2006.03.21 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Corair Should be - that's less than half a second delay. Pretty sure EVE doesn't update like Quake 3 or heavy data-driven game, it's more of a "you press a button, game checks with server, server says 'OK' and your game performs the physics."
I'm spamming my own topic a bit here but that delay buggers you up for tackling duty a good bit though. It's like having Sig Analysis lvl -10 __
Originally by: Galaxian
I'd like to add that as a penalty for warping out, Chowdown recieved a /heal0 from the devs, and his ship promptly exploded.
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.21 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kerosene
I'm spamming my own topic a bit here but that delay buggers you up for tackling duty a good bit though. It's like having Sig Analysis lvl -10
ICMP delay != TCP delay.
Routers prioritise traffic, ICMP isnt a priority.
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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Kerosene
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Posted - 2006.03.21 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy Do you have any idea on how the intraweb works?
Oh, youre using ping as a network diagnostic tool, I guess you dont then.
Ping means... NOTHING in todays internet.
I really could... but I won't. __
Originally by: Galaxian
I'd like to add that as a penalty for warping out, Chowdown recieved a /heal0 from the devs, and his ship promptly exploded.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.03.21 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy Do you have any idea on how the intraweb works?
Oh, youre using ping as a network diagnostic tool, I guess you dont then.
Ping means... NOTHING in todays internet.
Intraweb? Internet? Such fancy terms, what's the difference? And not in todays, so it did mean something in yesterdays then? What changed? And can we still change it back? How about tomorrow? ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.21 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kerosene I really could... but I won't.
Because itd only server to show how little you know on the matter.
'Ping' means about as much on todays internet as 'Class A'
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.21 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys
Intraweb? Internet? Such fancy terms, what's the difference?
Level of sarcasm involved.
Originally by: Gariuys And not in todays, so it did mean something in yesterdays then?
Obviously
Originally by: Gariuys What changed? And can we still change it back? How about tomorrow?
Lots no and no.
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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Copine Callmeknau
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Posted - 2006.03.21 13:27:00 -
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566 ping for me
Meh, people seem to die just as easy
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With five million sheep in this army I seem to be the only one fit to command
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D'onryu Shoqui
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Posted - 2006.03.21 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 21/03/2006 14:39:06 nothing wrong with that ip for me ,its probably one of the routers between you and the server suffering severe packet loss or something like that and CCP dont control them
1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 192.168.0.1 2 14 ms 23 ms 6 ms 10.99.0.1 3 12 ms 7 ms 8 ms gsr01-fn.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.144.129] 4 24 ms 41 ms 21 ms pc-62-30-245-45-do.blueyonder.co.uk [62.30.245.4 5] 5 22 ms 24 ms 26 ms pc-62-30-245-14-do.blueyonder.co.uk [62.30.245.1 4] 6 21 ms 26 ms 23 ms edi-gat-pos.telewest.net [194.117.136.9] 7 25 ms 21 ms 26 ms 194.117.136.209 8 20 ms 33 ms 19 ms 194.117.136.178 9 22 ms 22 ms 37 ms tele1-know-rab.telewest.net [194.117.136.158] 10 26 ms 24 ms 22 ms 195.50.113.29 11 22 ms 28 ms 23 ms ae-0-51.gar1.London1.Level3.net [4.68.116.11] 12 24 ms 23 ms 30 ms 195.50.91.22 13 28 ms 40 ms 31 ms 87.237.38.201
Trace complete.
heres a ping just incase you dont undestand how tracet works and think all those MS added together is the ping or something. Ping statistics for 87.237.38.201: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 24ms, Maximum = 40ms, Average = 28ms
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.21 14:46:00 -
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You really ought to **** your IP.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
D'onryu Shoqui
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Posted - 2006.03.21 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 21/03/2006 14:56:37 my IP isnt on there unless you are refering to 1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 192.168.0.1 which is my routers internal IP, not the external IP my isp provides which would be used to connect to me.
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Alexis DeTocqueville
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Alexis DeTocqueville on 21/03/2006 15:05:34
Originally by: w0rmy
Ping means... NOTHING in todays internet.
Wow, where's your Cisco certification sparky?
Relying solely on ping is stupid. Dismissing it completely however marks a familiarity with a computer on par with monkeys at typewriters.
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Alexis DeTocqueville
Wow, where's your Cisco certification sparky?
Sorry, sparky resigned about 6 months ago...
And its Juniper, not cisco.
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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Alexis DeTocqueville
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy
Sorry, sparky resigned about 6 months ago...
And its Juniper, not cisco.
Are you sure they didn't fire you instead for being so laughably uninformed about simple command line tools?
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Alexis DeTocqueville
Are you sure they didn't fire you instead for being so laughably uninformed about simple command line tools?
So tell me, what exactly can you diagnose with ping, id be interested to know.
Oh, I know, you can tell if a site is reachable!! w00t!
Lemme guess, helpdesk?
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:23:00 -
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burned.
no skills, just luck.
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Alexis DeTocqueville
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Alexis DeTocqueville on 21/03/2006 15:25:10
Originally by: w0rmy
So tell me, what exactly can you diagnose with ping, id be interested to know.
Oh, I know, you can tell if a site is reachable!! w00t!
Did you read my post where I told you that using ping by itself is stupid, but dismissing it entirely is even more idiotic? How can you diagnose a network outage if you can't even read three sentences correctly?
Originally by: Usul Faust burned.
This is an internet forum, not a stadium. Your zoo noises have no effect on our discussion, everybody else can see what he and I are writing and think for themselves.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:27:00 -
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A simple ping can't tell where the bottleneck is (to be exact you need a lot affort to find the bottleneck). If you provide a traceroute here some smart ppl can tell you if CCP can do anything about it.
So please post what "tracert 87.237.38.201" tells you. -- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill|lost my ship|gank|gate camp|Verone/;'
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Alexis DeTocqueville
Did you read my post where I told you that using ping by itself is stupid, but dismissing it entirely is even more idiotic?
Using ping to try diagnose anything that doesnt transit only devices under your control, IS pointless.
Using it to diagnose problems on your own devices is making its way out also.
Again I ask, tell me what an echo request will tell you? Id like to be schooled by you, you seem to much smarter than I.
Please teach me.
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 21/03/2006 15:31:46
Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 21/03/2006 14:56:37 my IP isnt on there unless you are refering to 1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 192.168.0.1 which is my routers internal IP, not the external IP my isp provides which would be used to connect to me.
1 is your NAT IP 2 is probably your CM internal IP (if it works the same way as NTL) 3 is your IP 4 is your BY proxy IP
Added: I'm guessing Newcastle Upon Tyne, or somewhere close.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
3 is your IP
Possibly, but in most cases not, its all dependant on router type/software an transport medium.
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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Sike Oh
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Avon I think it is a little unfair to expect CCP to fix the internet.
im still rofl'ing at that
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Da Death
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:35:00 -
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hmm I wonder how I ping 87.237.38.200 or 87.237.38.201. Cant ping it at all, but have no problems at all Pinging ? [87.237.38.201] with 48 data bytes
Timeout: No data received from target host. Timeout: No data received from target host. Timeout: No data received from target host. Timeout: No data received from target host. Timeout: No data received from target host.
PING Statistics for 87.237.38.201 Start Time: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:32:31 5 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Avon
3 is your IP
Possibly, but in most cases not, its all dependant on router type/software an transport medium.
Not always, I'd agree, but there is a better than fair chance. You should ALWAYS hide the first IP outside of your physical network if you post a trace in public. Always.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:39:00 -
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Edited by: w0rmy on 21/03/2006 15:41:26
Originally by: Da Death hmm I wonder how I ping 87.237.38.200 or 87.237.38.201. Cant ping it at all, but have no problems at all Pinging ? [87.237.38.201] with 48 data bytes
Timeout: No data received from target host. Timeout: No data received from target host. Timeout: No data received from target host. Timeout: No data received from target host. Timeout: No data received from target host.
PING Statistics for 87.237.38.201 Start Time: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:32:31 5 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
This means there has been an accident on the information superhighway. Please follow alternate routes as directed by Alexis DeTocqueville
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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gfldex
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy
So tell me, what exactly can you diagnose with ping, id be interested to know.
A ping can tell you if the target host (or something that appears like the target host) answers with a ICPM echo response to a ICMP echo request. You also learn how much time went by between those 2 packets.
What that _means_ is another story and mostly based on assumptions and wild guess.
-- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill|lost my ship|gank|gate camp|Verone/;'
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.21 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: w0rmy on 21/03/2006 15:48:49
Originally by: gfldex
A ping can tell you if the target host (or something that appears like the target host) answers with a ICPM echo response to a ICMP echo request. You also learn how much time went by between those 2 packets.
Which is about as usefull as finding out the colour of a server.
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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Unuthiel
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:02:00 -
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The OP's post is utterly meaningless in any useful way. He needs to be talking to his ISP in any case, not CCP. Signature size to big, please keep it under 24000 bytes - Petwraith |
SkaffenAmtiskaw
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy Edited by: w0rmy on 21/03/2006 15:48:49
Originally by: gfldex
A ping can tell you if the target host (or something that appears like the target host) answers with a ICPM echo response to a ICMP echo request. You also learn how much time went by between those 2 packets.
Which is about as usefull as finding out the colour of a server.
An apt analogy I'd say - if you know the colour of the server in a rack it makes it easier to find it.
Long term ping and packetloss monitoring aren't going to solve the problem, but they're useful tools to help narrow down the search for a root cause. ______
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Crusher166
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: Crusher166 on 21/03/2006 16:14:42
Originally by: Sike Oh
Originally by: Avon I think it is a little unfair to expect CCP to fix the internet.
im still rofl'ing at that
lol
and wormy, there is no need to get on ur high horse about pings and pongs. ------------- My Video: Start wearing purple while being very nasty |
D'onryu Shoqui
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 21/03/2006 16:32:45
Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 21/03/2006 15:31:46
Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 21/03/2006 14:56:37 my IP isnt on there unless you are refering to 1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 192.168.0.1 which is my routers internal IP, not the external IP my isp provides which would be used to connect to me.
1 is your NAT IP 2 is probably your CM internal IP (if it works the same way as NTL) 3 is your IP 4 is your BY proxy IP
Added: I'm guessing Newcastle Upon Tyne, or somewhere close.
none of them are my ip IP currently assigned to my router is 82.39.34.** and yes im from newcastle but that isnt hard to figure out seeing as how blueyonder have some of there routers named after the area of a city they are in ,i think there is a BY page with a list of them and what area the abbreviation stands for to.
btw if you think you can find out my ip by port scanning that small range go for it and ill give you 10mil isk if you get it right
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Kylania
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kerosene I'm connecting from China
Good news! You get your own server soon. -- Lil Miner |
Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui
Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 21/03/2006 15:31:46
Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 21/03/2006 14:56:37 my IP isnt on there unless you are refering to 1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 192.168.0.1 which is my routers internal IP, not the external IP my isp provides which would be used to connect to me.
1 is your NAT IP 2 is probably your CM internal IP (if it works the same way as NTL) 3 is your IP 4 is your BY proxy IP
Added: I'm guessing Newcastle Upon Tyne, or somewhere close.
none of them are my ip IP currently assigned to my router is 82.39.34.** and yes im from newcastle but that isnt hard to figure out seeing as how blueyonder have some of there routers named after the area of a city they are in ,i think there is a BY page with a list of them and what area the abbreviation stands for to.
I didn't use any names, just the IP.
For yor own safety you should still always block the first IP outside your network.
Seriously.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
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Kaaii
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:34:00 -
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Is there still a hotkey to check ping ingame?
I know in beta there used to be, but thats been so long ive forgotten what it was.
"..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, than stand with One thousand sheep.."
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D'onryu Shoqui
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:38:00 -
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i think you got that by changing networkAdvanced=0 to 1 in prefs.ini
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kaaii
Is there still a hotkey to check ping ingame?
I know in beta there used to be, but thats been so long ive forgotten what it was.
Er yeah there is, but I can't remember it. ctrl+alt+shift+m or something. Not sure.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Locke DieDrake
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 21/03/2006 16:32:45
Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 21/03/2006 15:31:46
Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 21/03/2006 14:56:37 my IP isnt on there unless you are refering to 1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 192.168.0.1 which is my routers internal IP, not the external IP my isp provides which would be used to connect to me.
1 is your NAT IP 2 is probably your CM internal IP (if it works the same way as NTL) 3 is your IP 4 is your BY proxy IP
Added: I'm guessing Newcastle Upon Tyne, or somewhere close.
none of them are my ip IP currently assigned to my router is 82.39.34.** and yes im from newcastle but that isnt hard to figure out seeing as how blueyonder have some of there routers named after the area of a city they are in ,i think there is a BY page with a list of them and what area the abbreviation stands for to.
btw if you think you can find out my ip by port scanning that small range go for it and ill give you 10mil isk if you get it right
There are 255 possible answers, realisticly most Routers only route within the first 200. Therefore 200 port scans on the 26000 port looking for activity. Wouldn't be hard at all.
Fortunately, I'm at work and don't have my network kit with me.
As for the high ping times of the OP. Do a traceroute and find where the delay goes from 30ms to 500ms. THAT is the problem. Chances are it's the internet proxy that china forces between all ISPs and the outside world. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________ |
Helplessandlost
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:25:00 -
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Most traffic on the "Public" Internet is not prioritized so a ping gets just as much priority as any other packet.
On MPLS, also known as EVPN, there is prioritization but this is usually restricted to private connections for businesses etc.
So traffic on port 26000 on the "Public" Internet has as much chance of getting through as ICMP traffic.
Pings on the ôPublicö Internet can be used to bench mark and show trends due to this lack of prioritization but the down side is they also add to the latency and will ultimately slow you down (and others more) which is why it is better to stagger pings such as 1 min of pings every 10 min or so then to keep up a constant ping.
Trace routes will give you information as stated above on where the issue is, provide this to your ISP and they should be able to help youà
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Avon I think it is a little unfair to expect CCP to fix the internet.
why?
someone has to
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Da Death
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Posted - 2006.03.22 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy Edited by: w0rmy on 21/03/2006 15:41:26
Originally by: Da Death hmm I wonder how I ping 87.237.38.200 or 87.237.38.201. Cant ping it at all, but have no problems at all Pinging ? [87.237.38.201] with 48 data bytes
Timeout: No data received from target host. Timeout: No data received from target host. Timeout: No data received from target host. Timeout: No data received from target host. Timeout: No data received from target host.
PING Statistics for 87.237.38.201 Start Time: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:32:31 5 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
This means there has been an accident on the information superhighway. Please follow alternate routes as directed by Alexis DeTocqueville
can u give me a link of alexis? But do not have any problem to connect to the server, I just cant ping it, maybe ISP block pings :s
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