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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Juri on 21/03/2006 17:06:16 doubble post...
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:06:00 -
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allways fun to see a post about morals from 13 year old kids. When you grow up youll see that the world aint what you seen on disney shows
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Charlize Chips
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:10:00 -
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lways fun to see posts by people who think they know ANYTHING about the RL of other players.
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Lori Carlyle
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:36:00 -
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I agree with the OP point of view, I know how google ads work and they help keep a lot of sites active for a lot of people, however if the fan sites admin is to lazy to talk to google about filtering them then they SHOULD NOT be linked from the site of the game.
If i built a site around eve, a game i've put time and money into, then i would not want ads or content that would break any rules of that game, if eve radio or any other fan site put up content on how to macro mine or other rule breaking content then how many people would give it a try just to see if they could do it ?.
And lets just face one FACT google adds only pay for people clicking on the links, not having them displayed so yes people are visiting the linked content. PINK PINK PINK PINK PINK ERISGREEN Eris <3 Meh!
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Lori Carlyle I agree with the OP point of view, I know how google ads work and they help keep a lot of sites active for a lot of people, however if the fan sites admin is to lazy to talk to google about filtering them then they SHOULD NOT be linked from the site of the game.
If i built a site around eve, a game i've put time and money into, then i would not want ads or content that would break any rules of that game, if eve radio or any other fan site put up content on how to macro mine or other rule breaking content then how many people would give it a try just to see if they could do it ?.
And lets just face one FACT google adds only pay for people clicking on the links, not having them displayed so yes people are visiting the linked content.
most of what you claim is wrong or you wont know unless you for example actually work with eve-radio.com unless you dont you dont know. And wanting ad free is not the same thing as you can have no ads at all, it depends on the cash the site owner has and is willing to spend and with google ads time to spend on it.
Yes it would be great if no sites on the interent ever had any ads at all but interent aint some "free for geeks with spare time to make websites". Internet is just the same as real life buisness.
On xbox they had fan sites with playstation stuff to and buying action replay and viagra and so on, TV watching a film etc jikes if you cant "look the otherway" then dont go there and send a signal you wont going to there website unless or send a mail pointing it out to website hosts.
If CCP should or should not well if they do then a new site will pop with all these links to all community sites that surely will have ads on its own better or worse? bottom line is from my view is "I dont care"! dont get why ppl get so worked up about it either but yeah I dont like it but not liking it and making it a cause
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meoff
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: BlackHole Bob Edited by: BlackHole Bob on 21/03/2006 15:43:55 Our sites AD FREE and we are VERY EVE related and took in ALOT of traffic the past month
greed causes isk crap sales...
evegathering.com WILL never have ANY ADS for ISK ...EVER
to all you fansite sporting google ads for isk or any ISK ad forsale for cash what so ever....
heres my sentiments..
your greedy fools...i avoid those sites once i see the ads...and never visit again...EVER
if you have to run google ads to supposedly make money or any ISK ads for that matter...YOUR WRONG PERIOD and your website SUCKS period...
who cares how good your site is...your greedy is all there is to it...
by the way everything i need is in game and i rarely if at all need to go outside eve's offical site for any info on ANY fansite
While I support your statement your site has a link to Eve Radio which is being discussed here.
Page with links
Your site looks like a very offical type CCP site, even though it is not, so you point is moot.
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Lori Carlyle
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Juri
Originally by: Lori Carlyle I agree with the OP point of view, I know how google ads work and they help keep a lot of sites active for a lot of people, however if the fan sites admin is to lazy to talk to google about filtering them then they SHOULD NOT be linked from the site of the game.
If i built a site around eve, a game i've put time and money into, then i would not want ads or content that would break any rules of that game, if eve radio or any other fan site put up content on how to macro mine or other rule breaking content then how many people would give it a try just to see if they could do it ?.
And lets just face one FACT google adds only pay for people clicking on the links, not having them displayed so yes people are visiting the linked content.
most of what you claim is wrong or you wont know unless you for example actually work with eve-radio.com unless you dont you dont know. And wanting ad free is not the same thing as you can have no ads at all, it depends on the cash the site owner has and is willing to spend and with google ads time to spend on it.
Yes it would be great if no sites on the interent ever had any ads at all but interent aint some "free for geeks with spare time to make websites". Internet is just the same as real life buisness.
On xbox they had fan sites with playstation stuff to and buying action replay and viagra and so on, TV watching a film etc jikes if you cant "look the otherway" then dont go there and send a signal you wont going to there website unless or send a mail pointing it out to website hosts.
If CCP should or should not well if they do then a new site will pop with all these links to all community sites that surely will have ads on its own better or worse? bottom line is from my view is "I dont care"! dont get why ppl get so worked up about it either but yeah I dont like it but not liking it and making it a cause
so what points am i wrong on ?..
yes it would be great if the net was ad free, even the Mechwarrior league system i've been a member of for years now has google ads :( however everything i said is fact.
1. Google ads pay for each link clicked on, = people are clicking on them 2. if a step by step guide to marco mining was listed on a fan site, some people would be tempted. 3. if i build a eve fan site, i'd not want buy isk here ads, PINK PINK PINK PINK PINK ERISGREEN Eris <3 Meh!
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: meoff
Originally by: BlackHole Bob Edited by: BlackHole Bob on 21/03/2006 15:43:55 Our sites AD FREE and we are VERY EVE related and took in ALOT of traffic the past month
greed causes isk crap sales...
evegathering.com WILL never have ANY ADS for ISK ...EVER
to all you fansite sporting google ads for isk or any ISK ad forsale for cash what so ever....
heres my sentiments..
your greedy fools...i avoid those sites once i see the ads...and never visit again...EVER
if you have to run google ads to supposedly make money or any ISK ads for that matter...YOUR WRONG PERIOD and your website SUCKS period...
who cares how good your site is...your greedy is all there is to it...
by the way everything i need is in game and i rarely if at all need to go outside eve's offical site for any info on ANY fansite
While I support your statement your site has a link to Eve Radio which is being discussed here.
Page with links
Your site looks like a very offical type CCP site, even though it is not, so you point is moot.
your link to a site has a link to one with a link to
Im a noob, bear with me :P |
meoff
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Juri
your link to a site has a link to one with a link to
Which is my point - as Bob pointed out his site took a lot of traffic, so people visiting his site might have seen that link on his page, clicked it and Voila....
An indirect and probably not intended endorsement for the very thing he says he would never do.
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MonaLisa Overdrive
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jessie Banda
How can you be a officially registred fansite when you encourage ppl to break the eula?
Good question. I think selling and buying ingame stuff, with outgame resources is violating the ingame experience.
/MonaLisa Overdrive
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MonaLisa Overdrive
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Juri allways fun to see a post about morals from 13 year old kids. When you grow up youll see that the world aint what you seen on disney shows
Yes. And in the growen up world ppl tend to take moral etc. more seriusly.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:29:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Juri on 21/03/2006 18:33:35
Originally by: MonaLisa Overdrive
Originally by: Sir Juri allways fun to see a post about morals from 13 year old kids. When you grow up youll see that the world aint what you seen on disney shows
Yes. And in the growen up world ppl tend to take moral etc. more seriusly.
sorry
PS: grown* and dont forget "mature"
Im a noob, bear with me :P |
Mag's
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:47:00 -
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So lets recap.
Those of us that disagree with the OP, are all ebil isk sellers.
Elvis is still alive and lives with Tupac, above a chip shop in Dorset.
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.php |
Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Locke DieDrake
Originally by: Charlize Chips It is eve radio's responsibility to only display content which doesn't breach any rules on their website. Can't go blaming google, they aren't breaking any laws or rules of their own.
And EVE radio is NOT displaying Ads of any kind of isk. Check the source for the web site, not a single isk seller ad. Therefore EVE radio is NOT hosting or supporting Isk seller ads. FIN
Some of you clearly don't understand how the internet works in the slightest. And thats fine, but don't come on here complaining about it until you have some clue as to how it works.
Also aside from being against the rules, WTF is the big deal with isk sellers? GTC's are the same thing, but with a better exchange rate.
It might not be coded directly from eve radio's site, but it is still displayed at their site. Just go to www.eve-radio.com and check it out for yourself. If you scroll down you will see 2 ads from isk sellers. Therefore it is still their responsability, even if they get google ads. If they won't bother to filter it they should stop using google ads or be removed from fan site linkpage.
Hmm... and as for your last question: It is against the rules... simple as that!
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jessie Banda If they won't bother to filter it they should stop using google ads or be removed from fan site linkpage.
Did you not understand the explaination of why filtering Google Ads is, at best, ineffective?
Was it really that hard to comprehend?
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's So lets recap.
Those of us that disagree with the OP, are all ebil isk sellers.
Elvis is still alive and lives with Tupac, above a chip shop in Dorset.
you're quite wrong here.. Elvis clearly lives with Alfred Hitchcock in a broom closet in Ulster, wearing a pink cardigan and a big fancy red nose.
what I am sayin is not that everybody disagree with me, is an isk seller. Just a few of the earlier comments suggested that the ppl either were involved with isk selling, or atleast think it's actually a quite good idea.
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Jessie Banda
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Jessie Banda If they won't bother to filter it they should stop using google ads or be removed from fan site linkpage.
Did you not understand the explaination of why filtering Google Ads is, at best, ineffective?
Was it really that hard to comprehend?
Did you not understand the explanation of why filtering Google ads is actually possible? Ref. ctrl-alt-del. site?
Was it really that hard to comprehend?
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jessie Banda
Originally by: Mag's So lets recap.
Those of us that disagree with the OP, are all ebil isk sellers.
Elvis is still alive and lives with Tupac, above a chip shop in Dorset.
you're quite wrong here.. Elvis clearly lives with Alfred Hitchcock in a broom closet in Ulster, wearing a pink cardigan and a big fancy red nose.
what I am sayin is not that everybody disagree with me, is an isk seller. Just a few of the earlier comments suggested that the ppl either were involved with isk selling, or atleast think it's actually a quite good idea.
your wrong Elvis lives with you with mickey mouse and donald duck and lets not forget snow white. Isnt it bedtime soon or?
im sorry cant help it *bad juri bad*
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.21 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jessie Banda
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Jessie Banda If they won't bother to filter it they should stop using google ads or be removed from fan site linkpage.
Did you not understand the explaination of why filtering Google Ads is, at best, ineffective?
Was it really that hard to comprehend?
Did you not understand the explanation of why filtering Google ads is actually possible? Ref. ctrl-alt-del. site?
Was it really that hard to comprehend?
I didn't say it wasn't possible, it is. I did however explain why it isn't practical.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur |
Charlize Chips
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Posted - 2006.03.21 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Avon I didn't say it wasn't possible, it is. I did however explain why it isn't practical.
It's not practical to write to the webmaster of the Ctrl-Alt-Del site and get a list of the sites to block?
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.03.21 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Boonaki
You try paying for bandwidth for one of those sites for a month.
Whats next? Google ads on billboards to help CCP pay for new stuff?
If you cant afford something, dont buy it.
Kinda reminds me of the "I want to play EVE but can't afford it so why can't mme and others buy GTCs to screw up balance for others?"
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve... This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran |
Charlize Chips
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Posted - 2006.03.21 20:52:00 -
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Bored of this thread now
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Xeserox
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Posted - 2006.03.21 21:21:00 -
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Well, seeing that evegathering said something, i feel it's only right that i say something as well.
I have to say that not just with eve, but any fan site for an MMORPG that supports money selling websites like IGE and what have you, is a bit disgusting. Honestly, you play a game to have funa dn be fair.. and those that buy Isk in our case do tend to ruin the game.
Over at www.eve-underground.com the only advertisment you will see on our front page of our website is for Eve-Online it self. Because all the DJs support eve-online. If you look through the forums, you might find a post up there, that has a link and an advertisment for Isk. Thats only because I keep them on record, so that i can get the IP of the poster to CCP and check up to see if they have taken care of things.
Yes, I go so far to mod the forums, and get the ones that post up for selling isk, IP adress and then report it to CCP. Isk selling is a deplorable act.
Xeserox www.eve-underground.com Where the Music Matters
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Dirtball
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Posted - 2006.03.21 22:31:00 -
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I just got huge contracts on about 10 of the corps listed in here you guys ****ed off someone who has some isk.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.21 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dirtball I just got huge contracts on about 10 of the corps listed in here you guys ****ed off someone who has some isk.
Im a noob, bear with me :P |
Caytlyn Rose
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Posted - 2006.03.21 22:34:00 -
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Forgive me if this has been said before, but I skipped 4 pages.
By agreeing with CCP's EULA when you sign up to the game you are committing to a legal contract. Any breach of the EULA results in a breach of contract.
Eve fan sites can have the google ads - just by running them they are doing nothing wrong - but it is highly unethical to tempt people into breaking their contracts.
I don't know about how other countries penalise breach of contract, but it gets very very very expensive where I am :)
BUT - if you dont liek seeing the ads, don't visit those websites.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.03.21 22:36:00 -
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Xeserox,
A direct link to IGE is cause for the fansite to be delisted from the front page, sure.
Google Adverts? I don't know, but I do know I won't use Goggle adverts.
I have and do use links on my own websites (mot Eve-related) like Amazon.com/co.uk, Web hosting affiliate links and so on... where *I* control what's shown
Digital Communist> The Jin-Mei are probably more profficient in training for Tofu and Noodles than Spaceship Command |
Ashelth
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Posted - 2006.03.22 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Charlize Chips Why has everybody totally missed the point of this thread?
Yhe fact is, CCP is officially supporting and endorsing fan sites that have ISK selling adverts on them, a clear breach of the EULA. Whoever you try to blame for that and whatever you say about money and supporting fan sites blah blah, the fact remains. CCP officially supports a site which breaks its own EULA. That is WRONG.
Man this makes less sense than the OJ trial defense :/
The ONLY people to blame for buying isk/characters/loot for real money are the people selling and buying.
That's it. There's this cool concept called 'accountability' which is being slowly removed from most societies.
It's not CCP's job to make you follow the EULA, nor is it mine, google's, ebay's or anyone elses.
ALL the EULA allows CCP to do is to have a legal defense for 1) removing you from their networks and 2) not having to refund or compensate you one iota for removing you.
If anything, I'd FULLY support the eve-online webpage to having isk selling sites as adds on the front page. Because it would be a nice litmus test for the stupid. You click through the link they get your IP, that flags your IP range and is correlated to a set of characters. You then monitor those characters for any transactions of goods or materials that is suspicious then permaban all parties involved.
Anyway, last 3 times I checked out those places offering to sell eve stuff there was like 1 character for sale that had enough information on there for CCP to determine who the character is. Does anyone honestly think someone at CCP with full access to the database doesn't get as bored as I do periodically? :D
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2006.03.22 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Like I have said multiple times now, the sites keep changing.
The advertisers know people will try and get them blocked, and so they move around.
So do spammers...
But blocking their hosts regardless of how quick they move IS effective. Its just not a silver bullet.
If youd had any real world experience dealing with it, then youd have a better understanding.
Doing nothing < Doing something
I figured even you would have got that one
Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.22 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Avon
Like I have said multiple times now, the sites keep changing.
The advertisers know people will try and get them blocked, and so they move around.
So do spammers...
But blocking their hosts regardless of how quick they move IS effective. Its just not a silver bullet.
If youd had any real world experience dealing with it, then youd have a better understanding.
Doing nothing < Doing something
I figured even you would have got that one
FYI I run 11 websites, 4 of which use goodle ads to pay for their bandwidth and hosting costs. I deal with google ad related issues probably 3 times per week, every week, week in and week out. My currently active url block list for one site is 331 urls, and still the ads show up again after two or three days.
3 of the 4 google ad supported sites have now opted to putting a disclaimer on their site instead of actively trying to block unwanted ads.
So, to put it mildy, I have far more experience of this than I would like
Personally I would never use Google Ads on any of my sites, but then I can afford decent hosting where others can't Should the internet, and eve fansites, only be run by those with deep pockets?
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