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Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.14 21:43:00 -
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Why couldn't someone do these in an empire level 4 mission hub? That would actually be somewhat exciting because someone would always drop one. And you immediately get a suspect tag when firing or entering the bubble?
I think it's dumb from a 0.0 space perspective though. People just won't deploy them to collect the extra 5%. It will just be another griefing tool that will get dropped, some interceptor warps at range to get a warp in bookmark, comes back in a sniping BC, and boom boom bye bye.
The ratter is only paid off when 600 mil in bounties are passed (30 mil / 0.05 lost income). The griefer is only paid fof when 150mil in bounties are passed (30 mil / 0.20 stolen income), and that assumes he has someone ratting there after he's dropped one of these. The targets most likely won't keep ratting if he stays, or it's still up. They'd kill it or dock up.
I am disappointed that time and effort is spent on this rather than fixing any one of the MANY issues we have with the game. It's not quite walking-in-stations-level bad, but stop doing new things, fix broken **** already.
Things like Interceptor changes == good, more broken game play modes == bad. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
566
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Posted - 2014.01.14 21:55:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Quote:Soniclover moved on to discuss an additional disruption feature. This feature was shelved due to CCP and CSM concerns expressed during the summit, until a more satisfactory solution could be found. http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM8_August_Summit_Minutes.pdfPage 42 of the minutes. I'm pretty sure this was the EPP that was being discussed, given the description of the feature.
CCP always consults the CSM on their changes, especially on ones on a scale like this, correct? |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
566
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Posted - 2014.01.15 18:50:00 -
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I am still curious what the CSM had to say about this particular feature, since it's not in the minutes. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
566
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Posted - 2014.01.15 19:02:00 -
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I'm ratting on sisi. kill me.
http://i.imgur.com/vmnzaY9.png
Also, here is an image for how it appears when yo uright click on a ESS in system. You automatically warp to the bubble if you do scoop to cargo hold (which you don't have to unanchor to do) or if you do 'access bounty'.
The fact that you can scoop a bubble down immediately is stupid as well.
Did you review this with anyone before doing this? |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
567
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Posted - 2014.01.15 19:55:00 -
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More feedback based on actually using it. Ran a sanctum with one.
[no label: UI/Inflight/SpaceComponents/BountyEscrow/TimerLabel] shows up when you access bounties when you have any sort of bonus (I had 1% bounty bonus at the time).
An extra "none: 0 isk" shows up when I was the only one ratting in system.
The idea of using this as a drag bubble is amusing and exploitable because if you can scoop the 150m^3 ESS, you have an instant-down bubble, even if it's warpable from a distance. I can't imagine how the null sec alliances will use this to mess with bomber fleets.
Zero error message when you move away from the structure and try to actually 'share' or 'take all' items. It just does nothing. When you reapproach, it still doesn't work, and you have to re-access it, waiting the additional 20 seconds.
Doesn't wait for the bounty 'tics', just computes exactly what was done so far in system.
My colorblind ass can't see this bubble in space from any distance, just too dark. I'm sure it just depends on the space background though.
Love the idea that scoop to hold does not have any confirmation, great way to accidentally destroy bounty bonuses.
Bad description in journal: "Kismeteer got paid bounty". Nothing about who pressed the button or what bounties etc.
That 1% bonus it listed seemed slightly off, something like an additional 100k on 30 mil in bounties while risking 7.6 mil.
Killed a single rat, with 20% of it being 4,500 isk, and didn't have to pay tax on it! :toot: hooray for bad math!
20% reduction is in effect with it up, so at least that math isn't wrong. And I paid taxes on it too.
CCP, bad idea, bad implementation. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
568
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Posted - 2014.01.15 19:59:00 -
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Oh I missed maybe the biggest thing.
Bubble works out to 15km. Dragged just outside the bubble. But the bubble as displayed only covers out to 7km. Why the hell is the visible bubble less than half the size in radius? |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
568
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:18:00 -
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Kismeteer wrote:Love the idea that scoop to hold does not have any confirmation, great way to accidentally destroy bounty bonuses.
Oh, exploit found. If I scoop the item, which is instant, it doesn't destroy the bounties in it while it's in my cargohold. Then, when hostiles are gone, I wait the minute to launch, and bounties are still there. The good news is that it's bound to the system, not the ESS, so you can even just drop a new one.
Another bug, I can't RESCOOP it now, because it says it's being used by another player. Even though I closed the access window, and moved away from it. I had to completely warp off field, not just move out of the invisible bubble.
No aggression from attacking these things either. woot. Not even rat level aggression.
I also managed to claim the 'take all' and got zero notification about losing the bounties as well. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
568
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Posted - 2014.01.15 20:28:00 -
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[20:19:06] EVE System > None is now in proximity of the Encounter Surveilance System
I launched drones 12k off the thing, shooting it. Took my high dps rattings gardes three minutes to kill it. No notice that it was being shot, in local or anywhere else.
Was able to stay cloaked 2.2km off a new one I dropped without issues, didn't break my cloak when it came online. And able to recloak next to it.
And bounties were still on there when I dropped a new one after killing the old one.
No notification that I chose to 'take all' again.
Yeah, I'm done testing a broken mechanic.
E: I really don't understand the 'choosing a racial tag' either, when 90% of people will choose caldari to ship to jita for sale. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.15 21:52:00 -
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Neat, found a cool edge case. I found a way to make one of these things completely disappear from overview as it gets moved and the system stays at 80% bounties.
1. Drop ESS. 2. Launch and anchor tower. 3. ESS disappears from overview without a warning, 4. ESS stays invisible on overview until session change.
20% lost during this time, but great way to hide an active ESS for active ratters without much chance of them noticing it. Once again, only shows up on overview on session change. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
573
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Posted - 2014.01.16 00:00:00 -
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CCP SoniClover wrote:I tend to avoid answering posts using inflammatory phrasing, but I actually think your signature answers your question pretty well.
Referencing: GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Why are null sec people the only people that have defend it? Why couldn't you do this module in high sec, where it could actually make for interesting game play? Or low sec, which this seems ideal for, if anyone ratted there.
If you're avoiding posts with inflammatory phrasing, is that your excuse why you're avoiding most of the posts in this thead?
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Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.17 23:24:00 -
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This is still a badly broken system for fixing what you see as an over generous isk faucet. Like reducing bounties 5% but trying to compensate with a badly implemented deployable doesn't fix the issue. And ignoring the uproar just makes it worse. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
578
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Posted - 2014.01.20 20:10:00 -
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So, are our opinions being considered at all? Or is CCP just pushing forward with another mechanic that won't be used much in a year's time, and will fall into disuse entirely like so many others? |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.21 15:19:00 -
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The changes make this thing a lot better.
But I still wish developers would spend time fixing known broken stuff. |
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